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Also agree on Norwee because as Akarin already pointed out, both of us immediately voted DEB when we thought he had us in his PoE, then immediately unvoted when he claimed it was actually his townblock. I also think Norwee’s hard defending me after I was very wrong on TGP is town indicative. It’s kind’ve against his wincon if scum, to do that here. He also didn’t want Misty venged today. And none of my team srs him, so there’s that as well.**********We just need to tread carefully because if you slip up around her as scum she notices and will tear your spine out and slap you to death with it. (I'm slightly scared of Nancy)~the worst*******Nancy is pretty heavenly ngl~CheekyTeekyNancy-scum feels like a hot knife slicing through butter. Nancy-town feels like a magnifying glass in the sun glaring down at an insect.~Taly- Nancy Drew 39
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The major problem with that is that both molla kill + town joat claim look just awful here for FL. If you read CoD, you’d know I had a soft guilty on him in that game and he came up with this extremely complex brilliant fakeclaim and that wasn’t a TM game, so you’re telling me that FL wouldn’t make more of an effort to fakeclaim something more believable than 3rd town joat?In post 3621, Thestatusquo wrote:I agree with everything norwee said about Pine. If pine is scum the last scum is likely fl. I don't understand the "exactly one scum in fl and pine" because to me they make a lot of sense as buddies.**********We just need to tread carefully because if you slip up around her as scum she notices and will tear your spine out and slap you to death with it. (I'm slightly scared of Nancy)~the worst*******Nancy is pretty heavenly ngl~CheekyTeekyNancy-scum feels like a hot knife slicing through butter. Nancy-town feels like a magnifying glass in the sun glaring down at an insect.~Taly- NorwegianboyEE
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In post 3616, Mistyx wrote:But point 3 doesn’t make sense and point 1 is factually wrong, klick had a full doc last year
From last year^Rainbow Healing!: During the night, you may activate your ability and target one player. If successful, this player will be protected from one night kill. You may do this twice during the game.
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I think the second thing is entirely nonsense. Also I think FL is perfectly capable of shooting molla. Why do you think hes not?In post 3627, Nancy Drew 39 wrote:
The major problem with that is that both molla kill + town joat claim look just awful here for FL. If you read CoD, you’d know I had a soft guilty on him in that game and he came up with this extremely complex brilliant fakeclaim and that wasn’t a TM game, so you’re telling me that FL wouldn’t make more of an effort to fakeclaim something more believable than 3rd town joat?In post 3621, Thestatusquo wrote:I agree with everything norwee said about Pine. If pine is scum the last scum is likely fl. I don't understand the "exactly one scum in fl and pine" because to me they make a lot of sense as buddies.tout comprendre c'est tout pardonner- Thestatusquo
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Putting your belief in this theory that scum!Flavour always makes the perfect and most brilliant moves as scum and if he doesn't he is town is how you will fail to read him as scum under any circumstance because it's like you just assume he never makes mistakes or does something that's not perfectly brilliant.Norwe is spontaneous, has a stream-of-consciouness posting style, usually posts on catch-ups by commenting on past pages posts, gets rather fired up in certain moments in games, is relatively as playful as me in games and likes casual shitposting
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Because 3rd town joat has to be the worst possible fakeclaim to make here and that’s why I think it’s more likely true than not because scum!FL would come up with something better, because pretty much anything is more believable than 3rd town joat, which is why it’s probably true and the joats are weak, so I don’t understand why it’s not actually possible either?In post 3629, Thestatusquo wrote:
I think the second thing is entirely nonsense. Also I think FL is perfectly capable of shooting molla. Why do you think hes not?In post 3627, Nancy Drew 39 wrote:
The major problem with that is that both molla kill + town joat claim look just awful here for FL. If you read CoD, you’d know I had a soft guilty on him in that game and he came up with this extremely complex brilliant fakeclaim and that wasn’t a TM game, so you’re telling me that FL wouldn’t make more of an effort to fakeclaim something more believable than 3rd town joat?In post 3621, Thestatusquo wrote:I agree with everything norwee said about Pine. If pine is scum the last scum is likely fl. I don't understand the "exactly one scum in fl and pine" because to me they make a lot of sense as buddies.
And why is that “nonsense”? People take TM way more seriously than regular games and I think that’s definitely true for FL, so I think he’d come up with something more believable as scum.**********We just need to tread carefully because if you slip up around her as scum she notices and will tear your spine out and slap you to death with it. (I'm slightly scared of Nancy)~the worst*******Nancy is pretty heavenly ngl~CheekyTeekyNancy-scum feels like a hot knife slicing through butter. Nancy-town feels like a magnifying glass in the sun glaring down at an insect.~Taly- Thestatusquo
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I explained. I think its completely WIFOM. "Why would town player do X." Well, you just said you think it makes him town, so that's a pretty compelling reason for scum to do X. Definitionally WIFOM.In post 3633, Nancy Drew 39 wrote:
Because 3rd town joat has to be the worst possible fakeclaim to make here and that’s why I think it’s more likely true than not because scum!FL would come up with something better, because pretty much anything is more believable than 3rd town joat, which is why it’s probably true and the joats are weak, so I don’t understand why it’s not actually possible either?In post 3629, Thestatusquo wrote:
I think the second thing is entirely nonsense. Also I think FL is perfectly capable of shooting molla. Why do you think hes not?In post 3627, Nancy Drew 39 wrote:
The major problem with that is that both molla kill + town joat claim look just awful here for FL. If you read CoD, you’d know I had a soft guilty on him in that game and he came up with this extremely complex brilliant fakeclaim and that wasn’t a TM game, so you’re telling me that FL wouldn’t make more of an effort to fakeclaim something more believable than 3rd town joat?In post 3621, Thestatusquo wrote:I agree with everything norwee said about Pine. If pine is scum the last scum is likely fl. I don't understand the "exactly one scum in fl and pine" because to me they make a lot of sense as buddies.
And why is that “nonsense”? People take TM way more seriously than regular games and I think that’s definitely true for FL, so I think he’d come up with something more believable as scum.
You didn't answer the molla thing.tout comprendre c'est tout pardonner- NorwegianboyEE
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I can even answer how theoretical scum!Fl goes about this scenario you describe as unlikely Nancy.
Theory: FL doesn't claim JOAT because he is awesome as scum and knows it's not the best fake claim.
Debunking: FL crumbed JOAT when Zoraster did, at the point in the game where he only knew there might be one town JOAT. He did this before Molla crumbed JOAT and was killed at night. How does 2 JOAT's in a game look? Decently possible, how does 3 town JOAT's with two of them being clones look? Really bad. But FL was in fact LOCKED into making a JOAT claim precisely because it was pointed out earlier that he was crumbing exactly that and acted informed in response to Zor's claim. So FL could never claim anything BUT a JOAT here. So to claim he would have claimed something else as scum is logically impossible unless he wanted to be catched out for making obvious lies.Norwe is spontaneous, has a stream-of-consciouness posting style, usually posts on catch-ups by commenting on past pages posts, gets rather fired up in certain moments in games, is relatively as playful as me in games and likes casual shitposting
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Crumbing a future JOAT claim when you knew there was likely 1 JOAT (Zoraster) and a second one (Molla) was not confirmed until he crumbed himself. Does make sense for scum!FL to do.Norwe is spontaneous, has a stream-of-consciouness posting style, usually posts on catch-ups by commenting on past pages posts, gets rather fired up in certain moments in games, is relatively as playful as me in games and likes casual shitposting
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Sure he can be town. But that means this setup is an highly unusual one with 3 town JOAT's just to mess with town. So it's your choice, is the setup weird as hell or is FL simply lying?Norwe is spontaneous, has a stream-of-consciouness posting style, usually posts on catch-ups by commenting on past pages posts, gets rather fired up in certain moments in games, is relatively as playful as me in games and likes casual shitposting
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I don't really think this argument holds up.In post 3620, Nancy Drew 39 wrote:scum!FL is the master of fake claims and I think he probably would have caught that molla crumb, so would scum!FL be onboard with crumbing molla joat kill, then claim 3rd town joat? Like FL would have to be a complete idiot to do that here and I know he’s way too smart to claim 3rd town joat and kill molla. Math is probably freaking out over this but I really think FL’s town here.
Him backing off of Norwee and re-evaluating is also town indicative, I think. I also think FL!scum probably kills me > Ico.
Scum have every reason to shoot a JOAT, and scum!FL presumably wouldn't have known Molla matched up to him exactly.
On top of that, scum isn't like required to true claim, we haven't announced any town rolecops, a lot of town power was already out in the open, and the follower JOAT was dead (Molla). scum!FL could have claimed whatever, even a 3rd JOAT with non-overlapping abilties.
So the question isifhe would make a refuge in audacity claim like that or not. But there's no reason at all for him to have avoided killing Molla if he's scum.
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Because scum!FL I would have expected to catch that molla crumb so his flip looks really terrible for him with that claim.In post 3634, Thestatusquo wrote:
I explained. I think its completely WIFOM. "Why would town player do X." Well, you just said you think it makes him town, so that's a pretty compelling reason for scum to do X. Definitionally WIFOM.In post 3633, Nancy Drew 39 wrote:
Because 3rd town joat has to be the worst possible fakeclaim to make here and that’s why I think it’s more likely true than not because scum!FL would come up with something better, because pretty much anything is more believable than 3rd town joat, which is why it’s probably true and the joats are weak, so I don’t understand why it’s not actually possible either?In post 3629, Thestatusquo wrote:
I think the second thing is entirely nonsense. Also I think FL is perfectly capable of shooting molla. Why do you think hes not?In post 3627, Nancy Drew 39 wrote:
The major problem with that is that both molla kill + town joat claim look just awful here for FL. If you read CoD, you’d know I had a soft guilty on him in that game and he came up with this extremely complex brilliant fakeclaim and that wasn’t a TM game, so you’re telling me that FL wouldn’t make more of an effort to fakeclaim something more believable than 3rd town joat?In post 3621, Thestatusquo wrote:I agree with everything norwee said about Pine. If pine is scum the last scum is likely fl. I don't understand the "exactly one scum in fl and pine" because to me they make a lot of sense as buddies.
And why is that “nonsense”? People take TM way more seriously than regular games and I think that’s definitely true for FL, so I think he’d come up with something more believable as scum.
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So you'd think scum!FL would let a town JOAT live, even if their flip might make him look bad?In post 3641, Nancy Drew 39 wrote:Because scum!FL I would have expected to catch that molla crumb so his flip looks really terrible for him with that claim.Norwe is spontaneous, has a stream-of-consciouness posting style, usually posts on catch-ups by commenting on past pages posts, gets rather fired up in certain moments in games, is relatively as playful as me in games and likes casual shitposting
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*Because their flip would make him look bad?
Killing PR's are a priority regardless so to say FL wouldn't shoot a PR is not a very good defense.Norwe is spontaneous, has a stream-of-consciouness posting style, usually posts on catch-ups by commenting on past pages posts, gets rather fired up in certain moments in games, is relatively as playful as me in games and likes casual shitposting
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I...don't really think I agree with this logic.In post 3641, Nancy Drew 39 wrote:
Because scum!FL I would have expected to catch that molla crumb so his flip looks really terrible for him with that claim.In post 3634, Thestatusquo wrote:
I explained. I think its completely WIFOM. "Why would town player do X." Well, you just said you think it makes him town, so that's a pretty compelling reason for scum to do X. Definitionally WIFOM.In post 3633, Nancy Drew 39 wrote:
Because 3rd town joat has to be the worst possible fakeclaim to make here and that’s why I think it’s more likely true than not because scum!FL would come up with something better, because pretty much anything is more believable than 3rd town joat, which is why it’s probably true and the joats are weak, so I don’t understand why it’s not actually possible either?In post 3629, Thestatusquo wrote:
I think the second thing is entirely nonsense. Also I think FL is perfectly capable of shooting molla. Why do you think hes not?In post 3627, Nancy Drew 39 wrote:
The major problem with that is that both molla kill + town joat claim look just awful here for FL. If you read CoD, you’d know I had a soft guilty on him in that game and he came up with this extremely complex brilliant fakeclaim and that wasn’t a TM game, so you’re telling me that FL wouldn’t make more of an effort to fakeclaim something more believable than 3rd town joat?In post 3621, Thestatusquo wrote:I agree with everything norwee said about Pine. If pine is scum the last scum is likely fl. I don't understand the "exactly one scum in fl and pine" because to me they make a lot of sense as buddies.
And why is that “nonsense”? People take TM way more seriously than regular games and I think that’s definitely true for FL, so I think he’d come up with something more believable as scum.
You didn't answer the molla thing.tout comprendre c'est tout pardonner- Akarin
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Yeah, i do not find myself agreeing with the notion that given the choice between killing a potentially powerful town PR and letting them live to keep your own crumb safe, it's so much more likely FL would just not shoot the JOAT.In post 3644, Thestatusquo wrote:I...don't really think I agree with this logic.Norwe is spontaneous, has a stream-of-consciouness posting style, usually posts on catch-ups by commenting on past pages posts, gets rather fired up in certain moments in games, is relatively as playful as me in games and likes casual shitposting
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This is assuming he even expected anyone to bring up his crumb in the first place without his prior planning to.Norwe is spontaneous, has a stream-of-consciouness posting style, usually posts on catch-ups by commenting on past pages posts, gets rather fired up in certain moments in games, is relatively as playful as me in games and likes casual shitposting
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For me today just boils down to this: I think JK makes much more sense as a scum claim than a town claim in this game and I think pine has done very little to indicate he's town.
I don't like his response of "THINK I'M THE ONLY TOWN PROTECTIVE POWER" as if that clears him when a) It's not true there are two town claimed/flipped roles with protective abilities and b) setups get run without town protective all the time.
Hell, akarin just finished playing a game I ran without a real town protective role.tout comprendre c'est tout pardonner- Nancy Drew 39
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Why does scum!FL crumb town!joat and be damned by Zor flip? If I’m scum joat here, I don’t want Zor flipped for obvious reasons. But yes, your point is valid.In post 3635, NorwegianboyEE wrote:I can even answer how theoretical scum!Fl goes about this scenario you describe as unlikely Nancy.
Theory: FL doesn't claim JOAT because he is awesome as scum and knows it's not the best fake claim.
Debunking: FL crumbed JOAT when Zoraster did, at the point in the game where he only knew there might be one town JOAT. He did this before Molla crumbed JOAT and was killed at night. How does 2 JOAT's in a game look? Decently possible, how does 3 town JOAT's with two of them being clones look? Really bad. But FL was in fact LOCKED into making a JOAT claim precisely because it was pointed out earlier that he was crumbing exactly that and acted informed in response to Zor's claim. So FL could never claim anything BUT a JOAT here. So to claim he would have claimed something else as scum is logically impossible unless he wanted to be catched out for making obvious lies.**********We just need to tread carefully because if you slip up around her as scum she notices and will tear your spine out and slap you to death with it. (I'm slightly scared of Nancy)~the worst*******Nancy is pretty heavenly ngl~CheekyTeekyNancy-scum feels like a hot knife slicing through butter. Nancy-town feels like a magnifying glass in the sun glaring down at an insect.~Taly - Nancy Drew 39
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