TM2021 | Anime Destroys Untrod Tripod | Endgame

[NorwegianboyEE]

For me today just boils down to this: I think JK makes much more sense as a scum claim than a town claim in this game and I think pine has done very little to indicate he's town.

I don't like his response of "THINK I'M THE ONLY TOWN PROTECTIVE POWER" as if that clears him when a) It's not true there are two town claimed/flipped roles with protective abilities and b) setups get run without town protective all the time.

Hell, akarin just finished playing a game I ran without a real town protective role.

Yeah i think we can all keep arguing about FL tommorow, but Pine has just not been playing town. He's kept his same stance on me since like day 1? His reads don't even evolve even giving the flips. It's pretty clear to me he is both lying about his claim and doesn't care about the game.

[Akarin]

My goal is the same as TSQ's here, I don't want people clearing FL for reasons I think are wrong.

And I think I've got a decent shot at being dead tomorrow (because I don't trust the claims.)

[Nancy Drew 39]

Crumbing a future JOAT claim when you knew there was likely 1 JOAT (Zoraster) and a second one (Molla) was not confirmed until he crumbed himself. Does make sense for scum!FL to do.

But then killing molla? How isn’t that suicide? Like I suppose it’s possible but it’s just such terrible play for him.

[NorwegianboyEE]

I really don't care if it's terrible play for him, he can still be scum regardless.

[Thestatusquo]

Crumbing a future JOAT claim when you knew there was likely 1 JOAT (Zoraster) and a second one (Molla) was not confirmed until he crumbed himself. Does make sense for scum!FL to do.

But then killing molla? How isn’t that suicide? Like I suppose it’s possible but it’s just such terrible play for him.

You're literally making the argument that it isn't suicide right now by saying it clears him. Not so terrible a play if it clears you.

WIFOM. Come on, Nancy, you have to know this is all WIFOM.

[Akarin]

Can I just say, I

really

think we should end our last day with eliminating Misty first and letting her vig the consensus scum read?

Misty is actually a pretty high town read for me at this point, but I initially didn't like her interactions with DEB and I don't want this to be the kind of claim scum can get away with gambitting and then never getting called on.

Maybe it's paranoid, but if we do it last there's no cost and it removes one possible losing scenario.

[Nancy Drew 39]

My goal is the same as TSQ's here, I don't want people clearing FL for reasons I think are wrong.

And I think I've got a decent shot at being dead tomorrow (because I don't trust the claims.)

Yes, which is why I didn’t like Pine not agreeing to jk you. How does that make any sense? Both Pine and FL should obviously be on Misty/Akarin tonight but only Pine has refused that.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Can I just say, I

really

think we should end our last day with eliminating Misty first and letting her vig the consensus scum read?

Misty is actually a pretty high town read for me at this point, but I initially didn't like her interactions with DEB and I don't want this to be the kind of claim scum can get away with gambitting and then never getting called on.

Maybe it's paranoid, but if we do it last there's no cost and it removes one possible losing scenario.

I don't think doing it on the last day if we end up there is an inherently bad idea. But not today obviously.

[Thestatusquo]

Can I just say, I

really

think we should end our last day with eliminating Misty first and letting her vig the consensus scum read?

Misty is actually a pretty high town read for me at this point, but I initially didn't like her interactions with DEB and I don't want this to be the kind of claim scum can get away with gambitting and then never getting called on.

Maybe it's paranoid, but if we do it last there's no cost and it removes one possible losing scenario.

I'm mind melding with akarin a bit here. I also think it's just correct play wrt a claimed vengeful generally speaking.

[Akarin]

But then killing molla? How isn’t that suicide? Like I suppose it’s possible but it’s just such terrible play for him.

Nancy: One of the JOATs had a Watcher, you woludn't want to leave Zor alive as scum under any circumstances. Would you really want to take a risk on a 2nd JOAT being relatively benign?

We aren't assuming scum know the setup, right?

[Nancy Drew 39]

Crumbing a future JOAT claim when you knew there was likely 1 JOAT (Zoraster) and a second one (Molla) was not confirmed until he crumbed himself. Does make sense for scum!FL to do.

But then killing molla? How isn’t that suicide? Like I suppose it’s possible but it’s just such terrible play for him.

You're literally making the argument that it isn't suicide right now by saying it clears him. Not so terrible a play if it clears you.

WIFOM. Come on, Nancy, you have to know this is all WIFOM.

Well we’ll see.

[NorwegianboyEE]

I think if anyone was scum here with the information that Molla is Joat they would shoot Molla. I don't see why on earth not.

[Thestatusquo]

Crumbing a future JOAT claim when you knew there was likely 1 JOAT (Zoraster) and a second one (Molla) was not confirmed until he crumbed himself. Does make sense for scum!FL to do.

But then killing molla? How isn’t that suicide? Like I suppose it’s possible but it’s just such terrible play for him.

You're literally making the argument that it isn't suicide right now by saying it clears him. Not so terrible a play if it clears you.

WIFOM. Come on, Nancy, you have to know this is all WIFOM.

Well we’ll see.

I mean, it's WIFOM regardless of the particular facts in this case. That's kind of what WIFOM means.

[Nancy Drew 39]

But then killing molla? How isn’t that suicide? Like I suppose it’s possible but it’s just such terrible play for him.

Nancy: One of the JOATs had a Watcher, you woludn't want to leave Zor alive as scum under any circumstances. Would you really want to take a risk on a 2nd JOAT being relatively benign?

We aren't assuming scum know the setup, right?

That’s true.

[Akarin]

And my role fits my flavor.

Wondering about this.

Doc, Commuter, Follower

It fits commuter very well, but I don't see the rest of it, esp. Doc, which is the most powerful part.

[Akarin]

I guess I agree that FL was kind of locked into the JOAT claim. I don't think it's that unlikely that we'd go back and look at this after claims if FL was still on the table (and FL was always going to get some attention if still alive at endgame.)

Spoiler: The section of the game after Zor's claim and FL's crumb

for what it's worth, I have reason to believe zoraster's claim is real, even if they are scum.

This pings me strongly as Town, and that makes me breathe a huge sigh of relief. I was really worried there weren't any adults in the room.

@Ico

Why does FL post this as scum.

He's clean.

i dunno

to look slightly better if/when Zor flips town?

i think that actually makes me look worse

wouldn't it be better to give Zor a pass today and see if they survive a day or 2? With a JOAT claim they have a target on their back anyway.

I fully realize how this post looks if Zor were to flip scum but hey i'm not one to hold back

Like, what's better? Potentially killing a scum JOAT, versus risking losing a town JOAT?

You're right.

Potentially killing a scum joat is better.

I'm not actually gung ho about fading Zoraster. Never was.

[Nancy Drew 39]

If FL is scum, than I don’t want to be the idiot who defends him here.

[Akarin]

I still don't love Zoraster, but he seems to be borderline obsessed with bringing me up, so that could be one reason. I still think there's a chance they're scum.

their big post has a lot of IioA, there's some stuff in there I like, but I don't think it's all that spicy. Let them live for the day, fine.

I'm generally less concerned about DEB because as the game progresses, I don't think I'd ever be able to not read him correctly.

I'm not sure if FL is scum, but if claims weren't in the mix, it would be him, Misty, and Pine for me. And Pine and FL's interactions look

so

bad to me.

And I really think all the reasons people are listing why that can't be true are just incorrect.

But I also want to take the time to look at other things.

[Thestatusquo]

I mean, I think the strongest reason to think FL is scum is pine associatives and given that we havent flipped pine yet I dont want to put the cart before the horse. As long as youre open to FL possibly being scum if pine flips scum then we gucci here.

[Akarin]

Okay, so I didn't mean for those quotes to end up in the above post, but I didn't like how FL interacted with Zor's wagon post claim as it died down.

[Akarin]

Yeah, I'm done talking about FL for now. I'll be back later and look at something else.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Concurrent scum eliminations should be
Pine -> FL
And if one of those are town (which i don't think, but assuming they are. Maybe take another look at Ramcius or TSQ. Everyone else are townie to me. Maybe have MistyX use his vengekill if we're in ElO. That's it.)

[Thestatusquo]

Her.

[PenguinPower]

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Not Voting (6): Mistyx(33), Nancy Drew 39(111), Flavor Leaf(177), Pine(16), thestatusquo(31), Akarin(41)

With 8 alive it takes 5 to eliminate.

Day 3 deadline is in (expired on 2021-02-24 12:25:00)

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[Mistyx]

thank you shea