Mini 673 - Game Over!

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confirm

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vote: IH

Hi iH

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Why not, Haterade?

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Eh, random voting is just kind of annoying IMHO

It starts the discussions in the game..

Lots of things can start discussions in the game.

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Alright I have three votes on me, which I don't have a problem with because I am not in any real danger yet, but just wondering what exactly is the reasoning behind it, I know the first was because I put a joke vote on Simenon because there were already three wagons starting and I think the other is because I unvoted after being called out, but I am still rather confused as to the actual case against me.

You unvoted after being called out for wagoning. That's very scummy, because you're just doing it to not look scummy.

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Eh, random voting is just kind of annoying IMHO

It starts the discussions in the game..

Lots of things can start discussions in the game.

This, however, doesn't.

discussing discussion is still discussion.

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@Haterade: I think we're past the 'random voting stage' at this point. Any thoughts?

Also,

unvote, vote scot

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There is nothing I feel like I should comment on at the moment.

That's just silly, scot. There's plenty of stuff to comment on. Are you being lazy or just unobservant?

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Um neither has. I don't see where there is plenty of stuff to comment on. I haven't seen anything scummy yet; nothing has concerned me. So I have nothing to comment on. It's as simple as that.

You don't have any comments about the people voting you?

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Following players need to post a lot more content:

FaerieLord
Haterade
Tomato

You can change one of those yourself.

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@Haterade: I think we're past the 'random voting stage' at this point. Any thoughts?

Also,

unvote, vote scot

Yes. At this point in time, I think you're scum. You've been bandwagon hopping and generally a useless player this entire game so far.

Vote: hasdgfas.

How many players have not been useless or generally useless up to this point, then?

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unvote, vote Tomato

Tomato, is there a reason you're actively lurking?

You're posting relatively often, but posting a lot of nothing. I'll admit I haven't been loads better, but this really stuck out to me. It just seems like you're trying to not fade into the background just so that you don't fade into the background instead of so that you can make sure to keep up with content.

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also, I'll have no access on Saturday.

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I'd be willing to support a has wagon. Post 114 was silly.

silly in what way, Sim?

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Following players need to post a lot more content:

FaerieLord
Haterade
Tomato

Sim, do you consider this an attack of sorts? If so, why didn't you jump on Tomato for admitting his guilt?
If not, what do you consider it?

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I added my name because I don't think I'm posting enough content, and that's a bit of a reminder for me to do so. Which is hopefully coming tomorrow.

So far, all I've done is prod lurkers, which is not content.

Tomorrow, eh? *cough*

I'm too busy

Coming tomorrow or else.

(Only possible excuse for me is 100% complete lack of internet. Consider myself forewarned)

If you're able to make these kinds of posts, why are you not actually contributing content instead?

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I still don't think I've actually seen an argument as to why I should have a wagon. Anyone mind either making one or pointing me towards that argument?

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If I had to choose one, it'd probably be the cow wagon since he disappeared now that there's a bit of heat on him, but then, I don't really see the initial reasoning behind it.

I don't see the reasoning behind my wagon either, so what am I supposed to say in response to it?

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1. Cow should know better than to bring up "the random voting stage", something that doesn't really exist except in the minds of newer players. This comment just seems really forced.

I don't think there's a true "random voting stage" either. The reason for that statement was that Haterade said he wasn't making a random vote because he finds them annoying. At the time that I asked the question, people were starting to make votes that could be considered "serious" by most people. I asked him if he had any comments now that those types of votes were being made.

2. Scot's response to this was absolutely right. "are you lazy or just unobservant" was a really snide and unnecessary comment.

Maybe it was unnecessary, but coming in to say "there's nothing to comment on" is also unnecessary.

3. This is a terrible defense. Pointing out players who are more useless than you does not lessen the burden on you.

The attack on me was a two point attack. 1) I had been bandwagon hopping. My first vote was the second vote on IH, from what I can remember. Then I switched to scot. I think I was the second or third vote at the time. Calling it bandwagon hopping is really stretching the definition. The second point was that I had been generally useless. I asked a question back to him about how many people had not been generally useless up to that point. He didn't answer the question. It wasn't my full defense because I didn't get my question answered. I would have had more to say if the question had been answered, but he ignored it and instead chose to have his next post say that all of my posts had been fishy without providing examples. How am I supposed to defend against that?

4.

1. Tomato is posting enough content given the circumstances.
2. In an attack, I find it more townie to omit an admission of guilt.

Maybe "silly" wasn't right. But something was off about it.

My views on the post haven't changed.

Basically, all has has (hahahaha pun) does this game is demand other players contribute and question why their are votes on him. The fact that he only does the former is the reason for the latter. It's certainly the reason for my vote.

1) No content should never be enough content.
2) Why do you find it more townie to omit an admission of guilt?

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@Simenon: As I was rereading, I saw this comment just a little earlier that you made.

Why are you opposed to fuzzy?

1. I sense there are scum on the wagon.

If you sense there are scum on the fuzzywagon, why are you not voting for someone on it?

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I can claim if you want me to so we can get a different lynch before deadline.

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I claim Cop.

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I claim Cop.

fucking shocker

what makes you say that?

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Sanity confirmed cow?

Unvpte, Vote: fuzzy

no, would you expect it to be?

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Looking at the post history of the flipped scum, these were they two most interesting posts:

To FaerieLord

Tomatos post 154 and 155 are good posts... how can you see that as lurker prodding?

pickemgenius - Your explanation on the fuzzy vote is lacking, and outside of that you said that it's still the best wagon without explaining why (is it still just that one post?). In addition, no explanations on why the hasdgfas wagon is the second best.

umm p sure the reasoning is there. the scot wagon is ridiculous and im indifferent atm about the has wagon.... the has wagon is second best because:

there are/were 3 wagons, fuzzy,scot, has. I dislike the scot wagon right now, and there is at least a little bit of legitimacy on the has wagon....

I think the comment that looks most like defending a scum-partner would be Simp's defense on Tomato. Not sure if I'm comfortable interpreting peg's quoted post, but it's certainly interesting.

I see Simp's defense of Tomato as scum trying to get townie points were someone who is town to die. I can't see Simp and Tomato as scum together.

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I can't see Simp and Tomato as scum together.

Because of Simp's defense on Tomato, or for other reasons?

both. Simp's defense of Tomato seems too genuine to be scum-scum to me right now.

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Yo. Reread. Scum is fuzzylightning and Simenon. I'll start with Simenon.

Vote: Simenon

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fuzzylightning is dead. What are you trying to pull?

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Right, that's me read up.

I'll lay down some opinions on people in the near future, but first a question.
Hascow, you never said who you investigated last night. Who did you investigate?

I got an innocent. Why should I reveal it?

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Right, that's me read up.

I'll lay down some opinions on people in the near future, but first a question.
Hascow, you never said who you investigated last night. Who did you investigate?

I got an innocent. Why should I reveal it?

So that if you die tonight we have on innocent...

You don't trust me to have breadcrumbed it?

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Right, that's me read up.

I'll lay down some opinions on people in the near future, but first a question.
Hascow, you never said who you investigated last night. Who did you investigate?

I got an innocent. Why should I reveal it?

So that if you die tonight we have on innocent...

You don't trust me to have breadcrumbed it?

Or you can just tell us..

How does me coming straight out and telling you help the town any more than me having breadcrumbed it when:
A) We don't know if I'll die tonight
B) Sanity isn't confirmed
C) it probably tells scum my sanity and may give them another target to go after

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How does me coming straight out and telling you help the town any more than me having breadcrumbed it when:
B) Sanity isn't confirmed

This is a mini-normal. Why would you question your sanity?

mini normal doesn't mean sane. Differing sanities definitely fit normal.

@stark: fine. If a majority of people want me to come right out and say it, I will, but if you can't figure it out, you fail. My roommate was looking over my shoulder as I was reading through the game, and when he saw one of my posts, he immediately said "you have an innocent on him, don't you?"

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The reason for my vote is that I was hoping to actually get this game moving. You guys missed the last lynch, and you suck for it. Simenon actually did seem the scummiest to me when I reread, and I'm surprised no one has looked at him as sternly as they have me.

Gurgi, I'm agreeing with scot on this. You have to actually explain this. Giving boring generalities helps nobody.

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Right, that's me read up.

I'll lay down some opinions on people in the near future, but first a question.

I am a terrible person and a liar.


So lets use the big brush of generalizations and annoy some people, shall we?

It's time for a list. Or rather, a set of lists. You may call it a list of lists if you are so inclined.

Not Scummy

scotmany12
Simenon
hasdgfas
stark
Tomato/MadCrawdad

Scummy

Haterade/Strife220
IH/Lord Gurgi

Cardboard Cutout

Flameaxe

Feel free to abuse me and demand that I elaborate.

*abuses Darox*
*Demands Darox elaborates*

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Hey hascow, what about you, who are you suspecting? Or are you content to just bother us?

nobody has really struck me one way or the other this game for some reason. Maybe a reread will help that.

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bump.

I'm down for a has lynch or a crawdad lynch, but those are just intuition.

I would love to hear some other thoughts.

how about no on both of those, stark

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HAHAHAHAHAHAHA

I think I get this setup, dahill ;_;

Um.. share?

I'm currently in the midst of a reread, and this jumped out at me. strife, what was this post supposed to do?

HAHAHAHAHAHAHA

I think I get this setup, dahill ;_;

Um.. share?

I'm worried about forcing out role claims or giving scum tips. Give it 1-2 nights.

If you can't breadcrumb subtly, you shouldn't breadcrumb at all.

This also seems off to me. What was this supposed to accomplish besides rolefishing?

I didn't like how Gurgi jumped in and claimed scum was fuzzy, who is dead, and Sim without giving any reasoning.

Speaking of fuzzy, his actions day 1 now make perfect sense as a newb trying to play a survivor. Not that it matters at this point though.

Post 269 screams of something to me. I'd say overdefensiveness, but that's not what I'm getting from it. I'm getting more of an OMGUS feel from it. As though he's only not revealing his reasons because scot is voting for him, which is idiotic.

I don't like stark pushing for me revealing my innocent result. He seems to be alone in really wanting it, and I don't know why.

Post 298 looks like a bunch of generalities lumped into an accusation at Gurgi. Why be that general? Can't you explain why they're unhelpful instead of stating a scummy generality?

Gurgi's 306 is a sub-par explanation of his vote for Simenon. More generalities, please expand upon your ideas.

I currently feel like a

vote: strife

is the best option. I think I'll look at interactions with dead players next, it may be useful.

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I could live with some Flameaxe after he jumped on the wagon right at the end yesterday with no reasoning. Yes, it was deadline, but that was such an opportunistic vote, I'm surprised it hasn't been mentioned yet.

DPI(dead player interactions):

pickemgenius - Your explanation on the fuzzy vote is lacking, and outside of that you said that it's still the best wagon without explaining why (is it still just that one post?). In addition, no explanations on why the hasdgfas wagon is the second best.

umm p sure the reasoning is there. the scot wagon is ridiculous and im indifferent atm about the has wagon.... the has wagon is second best because:

there are/were 3 wagons, fuzzy,scot, has. I dislike the scot wagon right now, and there is at least a little bit of legitimacy on the has wagon....
That's a reason to not be on the scot wagon, not a reason to be on the hasdgfas or fuzzy wagon. What is it about their play you find suspicious?

I'm p sure i've mentioned why im on fuzzy... and there has been nothing since then to make me want to change my opinion...

says scot wagon is ridiculous: This could be defending a scum partner a bit. I could see it as that.

I haven't figured out how to make watched topics yet/ I'm not that advanced.

The watched topics is at the bottom of the page to the left.. Small text "Watch this topic for replies".

IH are you aware that you have made two votes? vote on Haterade followed by a vote on FuzzyLightning. No unvote between...

Points out IH's 2 votes without going into why he pointed them out. I don't know whether it has to do with unvotes or if he's pointing out multiple votes trying to say that that's scummy.


Both of the dead scum went after fuzzy, and were on his wagon at the end of Day 1. I'd suspect the other scum would be out by himself trying not to look so suspicious if fuzzy turned up town(or survivor). I still like strife(previously haterade I think) on that account. He was on me and had been for a while with almost no reasoning.


Oh, stark. Why congratulate yourself on scumhunting and finding a survivor at the beginning of day 2?

Anyway, I could see scum in {strife, Gurgi, Flameaxe} right now.

PREVIEW EDIT: @Gurgi: jumping in and immediately claiming the scum includes a dead player looks like scum trying to feign stupidity to me. Also, you claimed Simenon was scum and then refused to elaborate. That is not pro-town in the least. Then when you did explain it, you decided to post in scummy generalities instead of explaining examples of what you saw that was scummy.

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Both of the dead scum went after fuzzy, and were on his wagon at the end of Day 1. I'd suspect the other scum would be out by himself trying not to look so suspicious if fuzzy turned up town(or survivor). I still like strife(previously haterade I think) on that account. He was on me and had been for a while with almost no reasoning.

If I'm not mistaken, you have just stated that there was a total of three scum, and you appear fairly confident in that. How do you know that there is only one scum left?

Fos: Cow

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I don't think there are 4 with all 3 killing groups, and I don't think there are only 2 because there are 3 killing groups. I'm currently assuming 3 scum/SK/vig as our killing groups unless I see otherwise, because it makes the most sense.

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Both of the dead scum went after fuzzy, and were on his wagon at the end of Day 1. I'd suspect the other scum would be out by himself trying not to look so suspicious if fuzzy turned up town(or survivor). I still like strife(previously haterade I think) on that account. He was on me and had been for a while with almost no reasoning.

If I'm not mistaken, you have just stated that there was a total of three scum, and you appear fairly confident in that. How do you know that there is only one scum left?

Fos: Cow

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I don't think there are 4 with all 3 killing groups, and I don't think there are only 2 because there are 3 killing groups. I'm currently assuming 3 scum/SK/vig as our killing groups unless I see otherwise, because it makes the most sense.

Thats not the only possibility you know. And you weren't assuming, you sounded sure. It seemed like you knew.

It makes the most sense to me, so I'm going to be posting like I think that's what it is. I know it's not the only possibility, it just makes the most sense.
Do you think differently?

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Gurgi: You find the end of 322 to not be why and be "because it is"? Really? Try reading it again, then.

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PREVIEW EDIT: @Gurgi: jumping in and immediately claiming the scum includes a dead player

looks like scum trying to feign stupidity to me

. Also, you claimed Simenon was scum and then refused to elaborate. That is not pro-town in the least. Then when you did explain it, you decided to post in scummy generalities instead of explaining examples of what you saw that was scummy.

That is

something

but fails to tell me why that is scummy. Just that you feel that's what it looks like. You went over

what

I did that you feel is scummy.

The part you bolded was also only one of multiple things I mentioned in that quoted section. You also refused to elaborate on your reasons for your Simenon vote when called out on it by scot because he didn't elaborate on his reasons for continuing to vote you. Please explain how you can consider that pro-town at all. I don't. Someone called you out, you should have elaborated. Instead, you flat-out refused. That is scummy, because it's simply distracting. You were too tied up in your petty argument with scot instead of helping the town by elaborating on your suspicions.

In addition, your generalities when you did decide to "explain" your Simenon vote were scummy. Generalities don't help anyone, because anyone can seem scummy if you generalize. Point out specific things they did that were scummy.

Plus, I went over what was scummy. Freaking defend those actions. I shouldn't have to point out to you exactly what you did wrong in every situation. Explain why you did what you did, Gurgi. Stop being so dense and explicitly refusing to contribute when people call you out on something because they did something you don't like.

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Would still like you to answer this question Hasdgfas:

Why aren't you curious of Simenon's motivation for his semi-claim?

I don't see that as a semi-claim, I see that as him thinking he knows the setup. Why would further speculation be a good thing?

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A) We don't know if I'll die tonight
B) Sanity isn't confirmed
C) it probably tells scum my sanity and may give them another target to go after

Unless not voting at deadline is your favorite scumtell and you'll lynch solely on that like I will for claiming scum, how does me not being sure of my sanity make up for a current innocent?

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Oh, stark. Why congratulate yourself on scumhunting and finding a survivor at the beginning of day 2?

Because I'm awesome.

I really want to hear from Sim.

But since he's not here, it seems to me, Has, that Gurgi is your strongest suspect. Would you want to lynch him today, and investigate someone else tomorrow, or lynch someone else today, and investigate him tonight?

The former would be my preference. I'd prefer to lynch strife, because I get a large gut feeling of him being scum in many of his posts. I've mentioned some of them.

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Oh, stark. Why congratulate yourself on scumhunting and finding a survivor at the beginning of day 2?

Because I'm awesome.

I really want to hear from Sim.

But since he's not here, it seems to me, Has, that Gurgi is your strongest suspect. Would you want to lynch him today, and investigate someone else tomorrow, or lynch someone else today, and investigate him tonight?

The former would be my preference. I'd prefer to lynch strife, because I get a large gut feeling of him being scum in many of his posts. I've mentioned some of them.

About how much, percentage wise, are you sure that Gurgi is scum in speculation?

if I had to give a number, 30%

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About how much, percentage wise, are you sure that Gurgi is scum in speculation?

if I had to give a number, 30%

From your perspective, 30% should be statistical.

could you explain what you mean by this?

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About how much, percentage wise, are you sure that Gurgi is scum in speculation?

if I had to give a number, 30%

From your perspective, 30% should be statistical.

could you explain what you mean by this?

If you 'know' you and your innocent result are not scum, then everyone else is 2/7 = 29% chance of being scum. Not trying to make an issue out of it, I just assume you never thought the math through (/number guy)

strife, this is terrible logic. That's what I expect newbies to say in newbie games. Why the heck would you say something like that?

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strife, this is terrible logic. That's what I expect newbies to say in newbie games. Why the heck would you say something like that?

There are 9 people alive.
From your perspective, you and Tomato should be confirmed.
So there are 7 people whose alignment you don't know. Presumably 1 scum 1 SK left = 2 scum, 5 town. Random lynch gives you 29% chance of hitting scum. You said you were 30% confident that Gurgi, your #2 suspect, was scum.
How is my logic terrible?

because everyone's actions change my confidence in them being scum. It's not just a numbers thing. If it were, why would we play the game? We would just be random lynching the whole time and not talking.

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vote: gurgi

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Finish him.

why don't you believe his claim, sim?

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wait, unless I'm mistaken, did both mafias show up as Mafia Goon? I don't remember seeing the A or B before.

dahill, very interesting setup, although I would have gone without the survivor. It's almost bastardmodding to have a survivor in there with 3 killing groups as it will be really hard for them to survive that long. In addition, that makes more non-town members than town members, which I'm not a big fan of. I'm also curious as to why you didn't just do 2 2-member mafias instead of 2 3-member mafias.

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yeah they were only listed as Mafia Goon as to create confusion between the 2 groups. looking back, you're right i probably should have done 2-2. thanks for your input, btw.

I think it confused the town more, because when I saw three dead mafia goons, I figured there was just an SK left. Not a good assumption for town to be making, even if they're dead.

You're welcome also. I enjoy giving feedback on setups, especially ones as interesting as this.

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I really thought the other goons were death millers ._.

death millers are not normal. Plus, if he had more than 1 in any game, I would never play in a game he modded again, because that's ridiculous.