elaborateIn post 1691, Creature wrote:Damn, we won't be so good if we mislynch today.
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Alright with time running out and Bulge suddenly being at L-1 I finally hunkered down and did the fabled Iso.
He's got a lot of posts that are townleany and a lot that are scumleany but overall I'm pretty fine with this wagon trajectory despite the votes being, uh, well like 80% naked lol.
I'll spoiler or link posts methinks so this isn't an eyesoar.
Spoiler: Gamestart Shit
Spoiler: Another spoiler just to break things up tbh
I should really be making each of these its own post but we're fucking committed at this point so whatever XD
Spoiler: Iunno where to split this but it's the Datisi reveal
Spoiler: Mandela effect? And I think we're on D2 now but Isos are a funny thing.
Spoiler: closing statements and some fun
Oooooo! I got ninja'd by Bulge!
Honestly, I am probably going to bed so I may not be able to engage actively tn but I hope this incites some interactive thought.Half meme, Half real, All Aristophanes ;)- JingleAri has appeared way too competent for me to even pretend to know what they're thinking
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Coolio, sorry if it's misrepresenting you but this was how I saw the interactions from a mostly Isolated place.In post 1727, The Bulge wrote:ok I was gonna quickly reply to a few things I saw at the start but the more I read you're uh misrepping me in almost every single quote there, at least in the first two spoilers I've read so far. I have to run for now, but I'm definitely tackling this later.Half meme, Half real, All Aristophanes ;)- JingleAri has appeared way too competent for me to even pretend to know what they're thinking
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Okay...so what does that mean to you? Or is this just "lol same fam plzdontkillme"??In post 1720, The Bulge wrote:
I had this exact thoughtIn post 1564, DeasVail wrote:
Ari this post seems very different from your other postsIn post 1499, Aristophanes wrote:
What a weak as fuck vote.In post 1494, Ydrasse wrote:VOTE: aristophanes
skimmed for sirius in his iso after he said he was down to kill sirius which like, hypocrite here, but i just don't like ari saying it. LMAO. feels like sirius has always sort of been on the table for him which is... it feels like he's been building up to be able to vote this when it's the easiest thing that someone could do this game, wagon-wise.
I have sirius on the table because they're literally a nothing slot that doesn't look like it's going to change and I'd rather just nuke it now than have to deal with this in an ELo situation.
Also, "Ari's kinda always said they'd vote Sirius so I don't like them saying they'll do it if it is an option" is fucking dumb.
Sure, it would be easy. Maybe that's part of the appeal for a slot with as much engagement in the game as I have. Maybe I also want to nuke a slot that could totally be scumbut nodoby would ever know because they're purposefully useless?
This is dumb.
I thought the opposite when reading it. Ydrasse is pushinfg for the details Reck is omitting. Why is that scummy?
this interaction in particular moves reck up on my list a couple spots and brings ydrasse down a few. individually their recent posting has me leaning this way as well.In post 1583, Ydrasse wrote:
“almost none of it”In post 1580, xRECKONERx wrote:
...that none of it reads as gamesolving or progressionIn post 1576, Ydrasse wrote:
what do you think about the things he has posted then?In post 1575, xRECKONERx wrote:ari you have posted a LOT in 24 hours but almost none of it is reads or gamesolving or progression hm
are you like, reading the fucking post you're quoting
yes i am reading your post
So an ease compromise slot you don't have to mean. Cool.
this made me realize I have the same read of ydrasse.In post 1638, Datisi wrote:the only "towny" thing i recall from ydrasse in this entire game is her throwing a fit at eod1. that's it. do i think she's scummy? eh, not quite. but not sure anyone in this game fits "scummy" right now. i don't mind voting her. i do think her townread or whatever on me is like... not good.
This just reads as frustration to me. I mean, your point is possible but it seems unlikely.
datisi called this as well, but this looks almost like a slip to me. I'm not talking tmi, I mean like how scum under pressure might be prone to throwing shade wherever it might stick, and ydrasse momentarily forgot what she was implying with peta already being flipped. I'm not satsified with the followup to this either.In post 1647, Ydrasse wrote:can i not be scums eod push again lol
"Town meta is trash guys"
pulling a page from reck's book hereIn post 1664, Augustus Caesar wrote:Regarding Ydrasse:
read her town ISO here
and then compare that ISO to any of her scumgames
the reason I don't hold as much water in this reason is that it's actually the reason I used to townlock her in that very linked game, which means she's very aware of it.
But even still, excessive shitposting/flavour is town-indicatve OR NAI for Ydrasse, but not scum-indicative
I don't blanket-hate on meta to the extent he does, but meta townreads like this are indeed trash. I've said before, the more you talk about someone's meta, the less reliable a meta read becomes. the more meta-driven players there are in any given playerlist, the less reliable meta becomes. ESPECIALLY for townreads. especially for a slot that has been blatantly buddying you all game. are you not at all concerned you're being pocketed?
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here is a snapshot of peta's deathtunnel on me in Smoke Filled Antechamber. we were both town.In post 1654, Augustus Caesar wrote:VOTE: The Bulge
my case is 650 655 661
the reaction to peta's prodding feels over the top and like The Bulge is trying to appear strong/looking for a fight
the case on Datisi also feels over the top for the reasons given - "incredibly scummy to me"
My one read that resembles a scumread is a toneread. these are dark days
you can feel free to joint iso us, if you scroll back earlier you get the real meat of our debate when it's a little more civilized. this might be actually a useful or pertinent read for you if that's your thing. my point is there is a precedent for the tone I took against peta.In post 3267, petapan wrote:
blow me fuckboyIn post 3262, The Bulge wrote:
why didn't you just fucking vote me in this post lmaoIn post 3121, petapan wrote:
whatIn post 3027, Nahdia wrote:
uh, why is that first thing scum indicative? all the conftown coming out narrowed the pool significantly, making it easier to get a footing in this game. if anything, i would say disappearing when all the conftown appear is scummier, since you would imagine scum could get discouraged when that happens.In post 2989, SirCakez wrote:Well for starters I'd argue that both only becoming active when all of the conftown came out is scum indicative in itself
Both have been essentially attacking and trying to discredit the other people in the not-conftown pool who suspect them when it should be pretty obvious to both of them why they are suspected
no that's like the exact opposite of reality and should be especially clear from your POV
look at it this way: we are in a reality where, unless you or bell are scum, virtually the entire groupscum faction went largely under the radar on day 1 and faced no serious pressure. sure, the traitor died, but up until now, whoever it is has done a very good job of keeping out of the spotlight. they have been successfully flying under the radar. suddenly half the game is claiming masons and the pool of potential votes just got very, very narrow. whoever it is can no longer afford to simply hide away, they have to suddenly appear the most town, they have to show WIM and effort, a sudden burst is likely to get viewed favorably.
over the top? I had two points lol. but I already renounced that post and the read along with it, so have at it I guess.Half meme, Half real, All Aristophanes ;)- JingleAri has appeared way too competent for me to even pretend to know what they're thinking
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ok ok ok so i lied yesterday. i said that that quoted post was the only time bulge mentioned rce slot but that is false. (i had just ctrl+f'ed "beeboy" and "rce" in bulge's iso, and that was the only thing that showed up.) i was scrolling through my notes this morning, and i saw a note on this post:
before this post, bulge hadn't posted for ~2 days, which like fine, whatever. but the context around this post is bothering me.In post 963, The Bulge wrote:I'm not gonna go through all the effort of fully catching up or rejigging my reads if there is an impending flip. but i agree with hectic/datisi here about the claim. granted i was extremely wrong about not believing the Day 4 IC claim in a recent mini normal so I am feeling very paranoid about taking that stance but eh I don't like it.
this was at the time where rce had already claimed, and we were discussing what the fuck to do. both hectic and myself were saying how rce's claim is bullshit. (well, moreso hectic than me but you know), so this post is obviously in support of that.
but here's the thing, this post was made at the time the wagon started swinging onto ydrasse - she had 3 votes on her at this time (reck voted her less than 10 mnutes before this post). bulge didn't have a professed read on ydrasse at this time either, so i'm gonna assume she was ~null.
so my question is: if bulge though rce's claim was scum, it was close to end of day, and the wagon was in the middle of shifting to a person he doesn't scumead, why doesn't he vote the person whose claim he apparently thinks is scum and help the momentum swing back? why does he keep sitting on peta, who he's not even sure is scummy anymore?I will straight up disregard all reason if you have a PR dream again. You can come back and be like, “I dreamt that Locke is a N2 Bulletproof Multitasking Cop and Self-Targeting Doctor,” and I will go, “Okay, Locke kill it is then.”~M- Augustus Caesar
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This anger-tell isn't something I've used to townread Ydrasse before this game. I agree that meta-tells become less useful after the first time you use them/bring them up.In post 1720, The Bulge wrote:pulling a page from reck's book here
I don't blanket-hate on meta to the extent he does, but meta townreads like this are indeed trash. I've said before, the more you talk about someone's meta, the less reliable a meta read becomes. the more meta-driven players there are in any given playerlist, the less reliable meta becomes. ESPECIALLY for townreads. especially for a slot that has been blatantly buddying you all game. are you not at all concerned you're being pocketed?
My townread on her isn't due to any buddying, dw. I was unsure about her before yesterday.
Though, I don't understand why you're arguing this point so vehemently while having her as your 5th highest townread in your readlist- Augustus Caesar
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Ftr, I agree with what you're saying here, but idk if it's town-indicative for your alignment in this game, since it seems you believe this on a theory level regardless of your alignment, and it's based on your beliefs outside of this gameIn post 1721, The Bulge wrote:
did you consider the angle of the cutthroat scumpartner ridding himself of a liability? my first impression was that scum would never treat a partner slot like that, especially with such force and aggressive timing. but that got me worrying it was for cred. this hypothetical reminds me of a marathon I played where everyone was separated into neighbourhoods who had 50/50 control over a vigshot. petapan was my hoodpartner and when n1 started, he immediately suggested we shoot pooky. I agreed, and he flipped scum. peta and I townread each other so outwardly that nobody could touch us. I was calling him conftown from hood interactions, who could disprove me? I believed it until literally his last post when he pulled a fake "not hammering in lylo so not scum" bit before engaming me. turns out his partner pooky had no idea what was coming. now I know that's a marathon, and this is team mafia, but the situations are more similar than they seem. would peta have shot his partner that early with no warning if it were a serious game of mafia, not to mention team mafia? probably not, because that would objectively be a dick move and a waste of your partner's time. but how much time did RCE sink into this game? would dv feel any remorse for cutting the cord the second he smells an inevitable sinking ship? the beeboy slot had already been a big pain in the ass for the scumteam all game. especially if dv was feeling at all paranoid about the replacement, I don't think it is out of the realm of possibility for that to have been a slightly trigger-happy but extremely high-reward bus.In post 1640, Augustus Caesar wrote:Deas states RCE is looking a lot like scum straight after RCE posts for the first time. No one else has reacted to RCE's initial posting and Deas is the first to do so. Scum!him has no way of knowing how people will react to it, unless he didn't have any part in helping RCE in the PT, and just let him post a fairly weak catchup. I think scum!Deas doesn't just put forth this RCE-catchup-bad narrative right from the getgo, but would at least allow others to react to it first. Like, this was RCE's first posts, it's close to a clean slate on a lurker-slot rep-in, Deas doesn't need to do this to his partner as scum.
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1722 - fair, the context makes your reaction look less unreasonable
1723 - Hopkirk thinks this combined with 1721(?) reads as scum being annoyed they weren't around to get towncred for it, like a "you'd be townreading me for it if I was around and did what I wanted" kind of thing. Personally, I don't know.- Augustus Caesar
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this I don't likeIn post 1724, The Bulge wrote:I cannot begin to describe to you how much I despise reads like your yellow one. "something that should be ____ in _____'s head..." is awful and very frustrating to be on the receiving end of.
You've ignored the point I'm making there to talk about the way I've worded it. The important thing is that you have a good reason to townread Deas; you say you "really liked" the way he pressured Creature, but then used a hang up which is dependent onbothremaining scum being exactly Deas and Creature to negate it - this is extremely unlikely and not something that should prevent you from using a good reason to townread someone. That's why it feels fake to me- Augustus Caesar
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fair, semantics thing, not AI probablyIn post 1724, The Bulge wrote:ridiculing is perhaps too strong a word, but my first impression was like "huh you really think the dueling wagons yesterday were SvS? seriously?", which obviously is not what it says, but was how I interpreted it in passing. yea ridicule kinda implies that he was shutting it down entirely which was never my impression- The Bulge
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UNVOTE:I will straight up disregard all reason if you have a PR dream again. You can come back and be like, “I dreamt that Locke is a N2 Bulletproof Multitasking Cop and Self-Targeting Doctor,” and I will go, “Okay, Locke kill it is then.”~M- The Bulge
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here are my crumbs"feel" (psych) + "hurt" (doc), and I included two degrees (2 PhDs) of separation when I quoted the vc
here it is again. "nearly froze" (2 degrees Celsius), "both mentally and physically" etcIn post 603, The Bulge wrote:anyway I nearly froze my ass off at work today. feeling both mentally and physically exhausted so we'll see if I get around to doing as much as I had hoped tonight.- The Bulge
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Hopkirk is very offended by this hate speech
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I thought peta faked a crumb here because of the scum informed goon. I have a theory this may have factored into why he was killed first, if scum thought this was the psych/doc crumb
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i don't put too much stock into crumbs in this game because i imagine the scumteam figured out fakeclaims before gamestart but this feels like an unvote first think later claim.I will straight up disregard all reason if you have a PR dream again. You can come back and be like, “I dreamt that Locke is a N2 Bulletproof Multitasking Cop and Self-Targeting Doctor,” and I will go, “Okay, Locke kill it is then.”~MCopyright © MafiaScum. All rights reserved.
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