TM 2021: A normal roguelike

[Augustus Caesar]

fr i was getting a feeling there's scum within deas/ydra and at this point deas is the only flip i want that isn't (1) policy (2) that nobody would agree to flip (3) that didn't have my mind violently changed on recently so can we pls vote there k thx.

Why those two particularly?

[Datisi]

fr i was getting a feeling there's scum within deas/ydra and at this point deas is the only flip i want that isn't (1) policy (2) that nobody would agree to flip (3) that didn't have my mind violently changed on recently so can we pls vote there k thx.

Why those two particularly?

idk
the way deas kept pushing at ydra
and the way he's slowly trying to get me executable too
like i thought/think ydra is scummy but those two aren't aligned and deas sure don't look good if she's town so.

[DeasVail]

UNVOTE: The Bulge

Will be here properly within a few hours.

[DeasVail]

VOTE: Datisi

I know this is probably unpopular but it’s where my head is at. I would want either Ydrasse or Datisi elim’d today.

I will make a comprehensive post explaining my thoughts soon.

[The Bulge]

I might have been confbiased when I wrote my case but honestly as scum I'd have probably just LOLhammered there.

doubt

I saw both my reason for finding a lot of scummy points and my timing for making the posts both come into question here and well, for the former I really don't see how that would help me as scum. Make a big series of posts calling him scum just to have him flip town? Why!?
Timing was because of motivation and general busyness. I knew the deadline was approaching so I sat down and did what I had to do. I don't see why there would be an issue with that.

this is fine

[The Bulge]

clipped the pointless parts, mostly ari "hating" this or that.

He's got a lot of posts that are townleany and a lot that are scumleany but overall I'm pretty fine with this wagon trajectory despite the votes being, uh, well like 80% naked lol.

what about the trajectory do you like? hectic was asking for votes, and everyone who complied said nothing. it all happened in 3 hours, all while I was at work. what makes the wagon notably good enough to comment like this?

This is the most pointless question.
Like if the progression had been "I think changing your vote in RVS is scummy" or anything like that, fine. But what was the literal point to any of this!?!?
It's just busywork and the fact that Bulge actually harped on Sirius to answer was bonkers.

I mean that progression is pretty obviously implied lol. his answer was fine, and it was nothing big in the first place, just weird.

The original post you wrote made no direction towards Datisi so I don't see how you changed this from "I disagree with the read despite thinking Reck and Hectic are being performative" to "I meant that Datisi's reads felt forced" when it's literally not what you said lol. Also dislike the null on Reck here but meh.

I (and iirc at least two other people) already explained this. I never said Reck and Hectic are being performative. I said Datisi's posts were unnecessary and performative. I hate the "literally you said this lol" tone here with a fiery passion, and frankly no longer give a fuck about what you said re:the timing of this post.

I actually quoted this because I liked it and Bulge addressing this head on felt good but as I reread it looks like a way to incite activity without actually doing anything because it's pretty clear Datisi meant the t/t reads here. I don't see how you missed that as someone literally in the conversation.


Datisi clearly stopped the convo here so I don't see why you were chasing it. Also asking what they meant by "bothering"? Like that feels extremely obvious to me in its context. This is what I mean by like, forced easy content. Looks good and busy but what did any of it accomplish?

surely you've played enough mafia to know you don't only prod and ask questions when you can't understand what someone is saying. come on.

I agree re: 0-1 scum in dv/peta

You never circled back to this. When did it change?

uh right back at you I guess, when did it change??

Sirius said innocent boy likes peta +town and is that the only town read innocent has? I have 6 players I am town reading and petapan is one of those players I'm still trying to figure out their alignment.

someone on the outside looking into this game is probably not making a huge deal about reading thoroughly/keeping their thoughts in order.

I hate this blatant disregard of team input. Huge scumpoints for the discredit here.

did you even read this? Adorable was questioning why iv only had one town read, comparing it to her 6 townreads, and I chimed in to explain that's not a fair comparison since iv isn't actually a player in this game. do you disagree? do you think teammates should be held to the same standards of content and attention as the actual players in their own respective games?

can you reconcile these two posts? In one, you say you've been paranoid of people defending you bc they might be scum. In the other, you say someone defended you so they must be town for defending you because scum would push you.

this is a contradiction. again.

she said her teammates advised her to be wary of being pocketed and that she disagreed. not a contradiction.

Following it up by acknowledging the team's points was also really weird. I just don't like the juxtaposition of these two posts at all.

this is an absolute non-point. what the hell? this is only trying to throw as much shit at me in this post as possible. what is scummy about this? are you implying an associative tell between me and adorable?

This reaction was waaaaaaaay over the top.

I already explained why I jumped the gun on the aggressive tone with peta. we don't have any bad blood, I do really enjoy playing with the guy, but it seems we're bound to beef when we meet. I also thought his push on me felt completely different from how he pushed me in SFA, which felt honest and vanity-driven.

Ooo and a pre-backpedal to your earlier posts. And (I believe via what I assume to be a day split but am not checking) a way to change your petapan pushes without taking any accountability once they flip. Wonderful!

this doesn't make any sense if I killed peta

Okay Imma be honest, I like that they took notes. Though with this event that could be a team effort and I'm not really sure that it's towny because of that. But I like it anyway.

I can assure you that nobody on my team is following each others' games lol

Was this really Mandela Effected!? You told us it was going to be big. You told us to hang tight. You told us it would take work. This is all like BIG HYPE stuff! I got really excited about the idea when I read this little post! So 1. the expectations were not unfair. Your framing of it as our problem feels like a way to blame us for the flop of a case that ended up being when it was posted. That's probably a mean way of me to say it but I can't think of another way to and this has been a lot of words all at once so I apologize for that.

you know what? I get it now. thank you. I will concede that I did amp it up in that post more than I've been saying I did.

Post 1300 I'm not linking because nestled spoilers either break the spoilers or break the site so Imma stay away.
I like that you followed through. That's huge! I appreciate it so much and think it's a thing you should do in your future games!
I'm not a fan of the commentary or the conclusions, but it's too much to get into directly at this point. The reactions feel like a surface engagement with the posts and sometimes are merely descriptions thereof. It's good effort and I love the colours and honestly the effort in this post is my best reason to townread you right now. Also blue was a nice choice for me

this was quite literally a copy+paste of my .txt with colours and links thrown in and PR-incriminating notes edited out. there was never an attempt to engage, so 'mere descriptions' is a fair assessment of some parts, as was intended.

I don't like that you chose to ignore the rawest portion of my iso simply due to formatting, it makes this whole investigation just that much harder to believe as genuine.

also i find it funny that the above post said the word "reread" 3 times

I also find it funny considering it has been 3 weeks since ari last talked about his read of me, and since then he has only given his word several times to isodive me. did that ever happen, ari?

why are you clinging to an ancient scumlean you never really even substantiated in the first place instead of just saying you have nothing and need to reset? how caught up are you, and when did that reading happen?

The Isodive finally happened. Asking me if it happened when it clearly hadn't was meh. Very rhetorical. Do you know the history behind Rhetorical argumentation and questioning? It's not flattering.

"Reread" implies you have already done it once. Try again.

I think the wagon sucks because it's basically naked votes but I am also not against it at all.

whoa whoa, rewind to the first couple lines of this post and read this again. what are your thoughts on my wagon comp? go into as much detail as you can.

I suppose this is intent, but I should do that in a different post entirely and would rather wait for you to at least get a chance to read all of this before we think about doing anything here so I guess it's not really intent lol

were you trying to scare a claim out of me? lol

[The Bulge]

The original post you wrote made no direction towards Datisi

what does this mean??

[The Bulge]

oh right updated stack


datisi
sirius
adorable
reck

xofelf
ydrasse

deasvail
creature
ari

[The Bulge]

hectic

[The Bulge]

(hectic is in reads jail because that push was so fucking weak and I'm pissed that I'm dead for it.)

[The Bulge]

and the hop off ari was meh too . I'm wondering if our game's stagnance is being toyed with.

[The Bulge]

where are xof and reck?

[Augustus Caesar]

eh, sorry

aware the push wasn't strong but there was literally nowhere else I could find to go and don't want to just launch someone random

[Augustus Caesar]

what'd you think of the meta-ari argument? oh right, you're not a big fan of meta either, are you?

well, Ari has solved like 3x more in this game than his next best scumgame. and the frustration and slight hints of anger in his posts are also something I didn't find in his scumgames

[Adorable]

This question is for both Bulge and Hectic since Bulge has Creature low on the their readlist and Hectic is voting Creature.

After RCEnigma claimed, the votes got switched to Ydrasse and I saw Creature did not believe RCEnigma's claim and he voted RCEnigma and RCEnigma was the counter wagon to Ydrasse. Does scum actually vote their scum buddy after the fake claim while other players vote another wagon? I wasn't expecting scum to do that and that's what made me lean town on Creature.

[Augustus Caesar]

aware the push wasn't strong but there was literally nowhere else I could find to go and don't want to just launch someone random

(and this is how I feel right now)

like I'm considering Creature who's basically a nullread, and Deas who I was townleaning earlier

it's frustrating

[Augustus Caesar]

This question is for both Bulge and Hectic since Bulge has Creature low on the their readlist and Hectic is voting Creature.

After RCEnigma claimed, the votes got switched to Ydrasse and I saw Creature did not believe RCEnigma's claim and he voted RCEnigma and RCEnigma was the counter wagon to Ydrasse. Does scum actually vote their scum buddy after the fake claim while other players vote another wagon? I wasn't expecting scum to do that and that's what made me lean town on Creature.

Scum does do that if they think the Ydrasse wagon would go through without their help and want some towncred for being on RCE. And I don't think both scum want to obviously counterwagon RCE either, so it's possible the plan was 1 scum on, and 1 off

Mostly though I'm not putting a lot of stock into it since RCE was doomed the next day anyway, so it's not a high risk bus

[Augustus Caesar]

I GUESS solving/launching via PoE isn't actually all bad, it just feels weird to me because I usually pursue scumreads

[Augustus Caesar]

But at the moment, Creature is null, and Deas/Reck are townleans(?)

I have more substantial townreads on everyone else

[Augustus Caesar]

Idk if it's because I believe the claim which has given me a different perspective when reading The Bulge's posts, but they seem a lot more towny since then

[Augustus Caesar]

VOTE: Datisi

I know this is probably unpopular but it’s where my head is at. I would want either Ydrasse or Datisi elim’d today.

I will make a comprehensive post explaining my thoughts soon.

The Bulge claimed a psychologist inno on Datisi which makes him significantly more likely to be town. yes, it depends on who scum would pick etc etc but it still makes him more likely town statistically speaking. you taking that into consideration?

I also had an earlier question about your read on Creature when you have the time

[DeasVail]

I am aware of the result on Datisi yeah.

I will have a write-up for my Creatute read tonight. Apologies for the delay

[xRECKONERx]

FUCKIN G christ it's late i drank tonight for the first time in WEEKS and i just realized deadline si soon

i will wa ke up tomor row and get thought s on paper fro what's going on

[DeasVail]

okay I am way more short on time than I thought I would be and this sucks but I'm going to do my best to be quick

[DeasVail]

Okay regarding Creature, I have (obviously) throughout the game had many periods of doubt about him but I keep coming back to a townread and I think I'm staying there.

I don't think I'm going to be able to perfectly explain my Creature read right now as it is a read I feel like I have solidly come to as the game has gone on but there's just so much stuff he has posted that I would find totally strange to come from scum.

For example, so much of Creature's ISO is about how DGB thinks me/xofelf are scum. It's beyond tired! It's so old that it's made a trendy comeback five times already. It honestly just looks... terrible. First it's deferring all responsibility of a read to a teammate which i feel like is the kind of thing people would easily latch onto, and secondly the fact that it's a repeated thing also just incites negative emotions (in me at least). But the problem is I don't think any of it is more likely to come from scum and could totally see this coming from Creature town where he's a bit lost in the gamestate and DGB is probably not completely engaged in the game but has these reads that it was passionate about early on and is just sticking by them. It is a world that I can see and hear and even taste!

I thought 1210 was very towny because it's exactly how I expect Creature-town to feel there.

These are to me more recent solid examples where I see Creature post things that I think scum would stop themselves from posting because they look bad but in fact they actually align with how I expect Creature-town to be thinking and it just makes sense to me in a weird way.