In post 1592, Aristophanes wrote: In post 1585, xRECKONERx wrote:yes, my read on it is that most of what ari said is fluff/irrelevant/useless. it does not solve for the PRIMARY PROBLEM i have with ari this game and the case i laid out what feels like weeks ago at this point. like none of
the points i made here have been addressed
- ari has still done nothing to address his read on me or case on me other than soft backpedaling and promising a re-read
- he still hasn't explained anything around his hard defense of beeboy from the meta push and overall weird play around that wagon
- a lot of my entire thrust was that ari spends his posts joking and trying to be part of the "in crowd" instead of trying to play the game and he has now actually admitted to just blatantly doing that by trying to get "real time reactions"...but STILL HAS NO READS/REACTIONS/INSIGHTS from it
it's just filler content for the sake of filler content. i'm happy to leave my vote where it is. your absolutely empty reasonless push on creature, btw, is noticed and tagged as distracting from the aristophanes wagon
Alright looking at that post you linked here.
I can address points 2 and 3 of this post though without looking back.
re: beeboy wagon
I thought I already responded to this but if not, here we go. Jingle did think that the meta argument for beeboy was good despite Datisi's linked example being not the greatest. He also told me they'd like to see RCE go as RCE did nothing towny with the slot.
My own defense of it, however, was that while we could compromise on the slot, I was more inclined to let beeboy either get replaced or get content. I don't have the same experience with his meta and thus was not as on board for a non-stot Elim.
re: "real time reactions"
I'm trying to get back into this game after whet feels like months of neglect. I find it easier to do so via talking to people when they're around and going through Isos. I am therefore prioritizing the two methods here. I agree that I've had a lot of surface play and have lacked depth. I'll change that in time.
The post in question:
In post 1354, xRECKONERx wrote:<snip>
In post 1352, DeasVail wrote: In post 1242, xRECKONERx wrote:The xof wagon still feels mmmmmm bad. So does DV.
Might I entice you all on some juicy ARISTOPHANES?
Might some of you answer my questions re: Summer Nights?
I posted why I think Ari is town on Day 1, and given that he hasn’t posted much at all since then, I think it remains relevant.
I don't know that I need to do this, but here's a full summary of Ari's actions this game
- RVS bullshit [feat. weak feigned serious push when: peta votes sirius]
- votes me for feeling "off" after Hectic invites him onto my wagon
- white knights Adorable while completely dodging me asking him to explain why i'm "off"
- DISAPPEARS FOR A LONG BIT
- comes back to back off of me and continue to defend Adorable while still not calling anyone suspicious or scummy
- doubles back down on defending Adorable to come all the way back around to just tunneling on me again
- peppers his next "catch up" with hearts and smiley faces and jokes and memes but doesn't actually deliver game relevant content
- defended beeboy from the meta push on him in 460 ("well xof hasn't been here either!")
- when beeboy pipes back in, Ari is a fan of giving him time to catch up and produce content
- unvotes me while still calling me scum and saying he's gonna focus on other things but spends the majority of his post still shading me?
- very supportive of RCE catching up and giving thoughts. idk. just read his posts around beeboy/RCE, they're "off" to use ari's own word
- uses teammates (anonymous teammate, not a named one, mind you) as a reason to setup a jump back onto RCE.
- NEVER votes back on RCE, never does anything about the wagon actually. shows up d2 to be like "well i guess i shoulda listened huh" and that's IT
I implore you to ISO ari. it's VERY short because there's almost nothing there. what is there is i would easily say half joking cutesy posts that don't add anything to the gamestate or put himself at risk in any way. ari has spent the game defending people or calling people town. outside of his tunneling on me, he hasn't pushed any scumreads.
actually, it's funny. there's this little neat concept called projection and whoopsie daisy what do we have here?
In post 367, Aristophanes wrote:snip
I know I'm questioned later on my wording in response to my response to this response, but what I meant by
Reck using this to tunnel them
, as I believe I put it, is that if
Reck sticks to the rage or commentary about this slot and thefact that Alts shouldn't be in this game and gimmicks are dumb rather than providing content I think that is scum indicative and a way to look busy without actually contributing
. I haven't read what they've said after that response but I'm hoping they're *doing things* because otherwise this could indicate scum!Reck. I hope that makes things clearer here.
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In post 378, Aristophanes wrote:snip
Lol I can hear the Clap Emotes and they aren't even here XD
Uh,
this is kind of the hyperfocusing on one thing that I was worried about with Reck WRT Hectic
. I think he's found a new target and honestly this is a pretty big red flag imo. FoS on you my friend.
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Oh look, Reck is still sticking on this after it's been resolved. Just like I figured they would.
Fuckit
VOTE: Reck
That was short lived.
End of pg 10.
We're getting there. Sorry everyone (:
ARISTOPHANES IS LITERALLY DOING THE EXACT THING THIS WHOLE GAME THAT HE PROJECTED ONTO ME DOING
first ari said i was tunneling/focusing on hectic by focusing on one thing the whole game so i wouldn't have to get involved elsewhere
then ari said i was doing the same thing with adorable
but ACTUALLY ari is the one that has been doing it all game. he has leaned on his scumread on ME in order to avoid doing useful shit elsewhere. like, he literally projected onto me his own guilty subconscious/anxiety lmfao. couple that with gross positioning around the RCE/beeboy wagon and i fail to see how more people aren't chomping at the bit for ari to die.
- Okay I forgot about the xof thing but I thought it was analogous at the time so meh, I don't know what you want me to say there.
- I know you said my catchup was peppered with hearts and smilies but that's also kind of my thing so ???
- I defended beeboy hoping they would create content. Why is it weird that I gave them the space to do so?
- I explained the unvote on you as well so *shrugs*
- I gave RCE the same treatment as beeboy because I wanted content from the slot. I would do that with any slot. Why is that, to use my words, "off"?
- Did I not name Jingle? It was Jingle that wanted me back on RCE.
- Yeah, iirc I was busy and disappeared. It's a common theme here. I thought you'd have picked up on that by now.
(those are responses to the point forms but not every point form but I tried to give the context needed to see what I was responding to)
re: the quotes and tunnelling/focusing
First I said I was worried that was what you were going to do, not that it was what you were doing, and that I'd keep an eye on it.
Then I responded to you doing what I expected to see you do to one slot on another slot and went "huh, that might be AI and what I was expecting, just in a different direction than I'd though." This after like what 15 pages of being stuck on the same benign point!? Where was I wrong?
And no, I don't think I've tunneled you this game actually. I believe I said I'd reconsider things on you many times and if you look at my posts, I've come around on you a lot. Just because something keeps reemerging doesn't make it a tunnel.
And you keep directly asking me to address the points around you, so obviously I'm giving you my time because of this. You're creating the tunnel you are perceiving which is kind of funny actually.
I guess tho to address the first bullet point of this whole thing where you say I've done nothing to address my read/case on you and have not Iso'd you or addressed my softbackpedal as you called it, all I can say is that I keep coming back to address you but your points are the same thing over and over and I don't know what else I can say on most of them any more. Maybe we should go back to reading each other based on interactions with others because clearly we're not getting anywhere via interactions between each other. That said I'm happy to address whatever you like, I merely feel like it's all just rehashing old things I've already talked about.
Okay but like... I also hate meta/don't regard meta and I still wanted the slot dead for not contributing? And then this defense really doesn't do anything at all for explaining why you kept defending RCE or at least passively ignored him when he WAS posting content? I guess that's my larger issue. You never commented on RCE's content one way or the other which left him to kind of have a lifeline to fight for himself.
My point about your real time engagements and one i asked what was you had gleaned from them, what did it help you realize, how did it help you sort anything bc there was none of that thus far. And you still don't answer that here
I am not inventing the tunnel out of nowhere Ari, prior to your last catch up, I would wager 80-90% of your content was specifically or tangentially focused around me. You absolutely did tunnel and you're trying to duck responsibility for it which is just *wild* to me. Like yes, I "tunneled" on Adorable by pursuing a contradiction I caught out and wanted to push on it. I've also done 900 other things.
If my points are the same thing over and over then like, maybe that's a sign that they're sticking and OTHER PEOPLE SHOULD LISTEN TO ME idfk.
In post 1605, Aristophanes wrote: In post 1602, Creature wrote: In post 1599, Aristophanes wrote:Also you're not voting them so ???
Do you scumread DV more strongly? Is xof a backburner read for you?
Like not voting them but complaining about them being here and being scummy is, well, not a good look.
Ninja'd
This was @Creature
I don't even know what I'm doing. I'm trying to see a world in which both xofelf and DeasVail are town and so far that world would most likely point you as scum.
rn my lynch choices are like either you or one of DV/xofelf and the latter has like my team's total support.
I guess you should vote for them then. I mean, I'm town and I think those two slots probably are soo so, well, Iunno what to tell you here.
Oh, and inb4 Reck coming in to say I'm scum with DV because DV townreads me now and I am telling you to vote somewhere else when your vote is on him even though this is totally reasonable with context considered...
this is just baseless posturing. I townread DV. I have the entire game.
ARI IS LITERALLY INVENTING A SCUMREAD AND PUTTING IT IN MY MOUTH TO SHIELD HIMSELF FROM ANY CRITICISM OR PRESSURE
In post 1612, Aristophanes wrote: In post 886, Sirius9121 wrote: In post 828, RCEnigma wrote:
Sirius/Xof were just low posters, being time strapped the idea was to get through the shorter isos first.
im not a 'low poster'
my posts are just low quality
I lol'd at this.
Also
VOTE: Sirius
I know I'm fluffy at times but I can't get anything from this slot.
Creature, you want to vote a full null? This is the full null. At least xof has content.
Ari voting Creature over like any of the fluffy contentless slots for being fluffy and contentless is kind of hilarious here??
The only read I have on Sirius is from forever long ago where he dug up an old random post and my team was like "Unlikely that scum goes digging like that just to make a joke 30 pages too late" but I don't know how I feel about Sirius overall I guess now that we're this deep.
In post 1614, xofelf wrote:Okay hi, this got pushed further down my list than I intended it to. I get it, my lack of interaction and engagement comes across as AI, I wish it was, it's just seasonal depression. But! I am going to say fuck it and do shit in spite of it.
So we're going to start with making a decision about Ydrasse. She's scummy. Let me tell you why I think she's scummy. She's kind of queen of stalling. If you look through her iso, a good half of her posts are wait I'll get to this later or now I can do things! and then not doing anything. Now I know this coming from me, is especially pot kettle. But let me give you an example of what I mean. Let's take a look at
1249, she's got this energy to really bite into this game, and I know I was excited to see what she was going to do with it. And then she spends her next god I don't know how many posts with some real weird interactions with Hectic. Maybe they're friends or whatever, I really don't care, she does nothing actually constructive with her posts. She just creates noise, and with a game that is already apathetic with interaction, it doesn't feel like a towny thing to do to add posts that don't do anything towards solving. That just feels like upping page count to maybe kill motivation of reading and posting for a game which is already suffering.
The first time she gives content, it's a reaction to Bulge's read list which, she only says "yeah bulge is town for this." "+town bulge" and does not elaborate on any part of what she actually agrees on for content. She does suddenly engage with Datisi, and writes up 3 paragraphs of why she thinks he's town, but it's also just a lot of extra words and a lot of it is just meta related talk. Which kinda feels like she has enough past experience with Datisi to specifically point out past situations that will make Datisi feel a certain way about what she's saying rather than have him just look at the words she's using and this game alone. And then she does revisit Bulge in
1415 and it boils down to "oh his reads are similar to mine" which anybody can just say.
And then there's that whole weird whatever the fuck in [urlhttps://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?p=12585717#p12585717]1515[/url] like, if this is a joke what the fuck, how is this a funny thing? But also, this does not seem like the time or place for yet even more shitposting.
But I'd also like to circle back to some of the only information we have and can theorize about, peta's flip. I wanna take a look at post
910. He votes for her for a lot of her fluff and then disappearing, and not doing much of anything. And it could be argued that a lot of her OKAY I'M GONNA DO STUFF, is in reaction to Peta who was town and looking at her style of play and wanting to attempt to look like she's doing things in order to not have the same suspicion on her.
So Ydrasse is still doing the make posts for the sake of posts and content that doesn't mean anything under much scrutiny at all. So, with that in mind.
VOTE: Ydrasse
P-edit: Ari, when I had initially looked to post this morning, you had promised to do stuff and you hadn't actually done anything and I was real annoyed. BUT in the rest of the day since, you've actually stepped up to try to do what you promised. Keep it up. I'm still not sure where to put you, but you're giving some amount of content so hackles are down for now.
This is pretty good actually. It vibes w/ my overall bad tummy feelings whenever Ydrasse goes into a 9 page AtE bullshit spamfest with Hectic and then Hectic unilaterally declares her to be town for it. I've seen his arguments for it being +town points (cough cough it's all meta cough cough) but xof put my incomprehensible screeching into actual words here. Again, mindmelding
In post 1621, DeasVail wrote: In post 1618, Aristophanes wrote:I've been talking with the team and well, I tihnk we've landed on an Ydrasse townread. Her posts are just too laid back in a lot of ways to be coming from scum, almost as if she's not worried about how she looks.
I get that she's a lot of filler fluff but there's also a lot there to work with and I don't think this is a game where filler fluff is a good idea for scum. I just don't really see it after looking at it with this in mind.
Ari I would argue that a lot of her posts actually seem very focused on how she looks.
Why don’t you think filler fluff is good for scum?
gah. DV too.
seriously I wish I just had a neighborhood with them so we could solve the game for everybody bc I feel like they're the only people I'm clicking with.
either one or both of them are just really good at pocketing me BY ACCIDENT or they're town and I don't think xof or DV are pocketing me
this kind of shit is REALLY gross and it fits with my thought that scum had the plan of sitting back and letting town just devour each other
In post 1640, Augustus Caesar wrote:Deas states RCE is looking a lot like scum straight after RCE posts for the first time. No one else has reacted to RCE's initial posting and Deas is the first to do so. Scum!him has no way of knowing how people will react to it, unless he didn't have any part in helping RCE in the PT, and just let him post a fairly weak catchup. I think scum!Deas doesn't just put forth this RCE-catchup-bad narrative right from the getgo, but would at least allow others to react to it first. Like, this was RCE's first posts, it's close to a clean slate on a lurker-slot rep-in, Deas doesn't need to do this to his partner as scum.
mmmm this KIND OF seems like TMI? like it is not wild or unbelievable that scum!RCE replaces in, realizes that the slot is doomed, and tells his buddies to bus him. I don't think that's what happened here to be clear. But I think Hectic's insistence that it just couldn't have happened and therefore DV is town just seems forced. hamfisted. weird.
im skipping meta shit so i dont have to copypaste meta is trash 500 times
In post 1649, Ydrasse wrote:am at work rn
VOTE: xofelf
xof teetered on me back and forth for the game, defending sometimes sometimes not, their name got floated around and they came around and had suddenly decided i’m scum and now here we are
idk how they reacted around rce but i can read when i’m home, just like. ya
THIS is just blatant OMGUS. empty. reasonless. xof "teetered"? how is teetering scummy? when did xof's name seriously get floated around anymore than it was all game? this just feels gross.
~I'M SKIPPING ALL THE BULGE CASE STUFF FOR THE SAKE OF TIME SINCE I KNOW THERE'S A CLAIM OUT~
FWIW Bulge's claim looks completely bulletproof tbh. Esp the part about peta posting that image and Bulge thinking that's why he was killed first. I keep forgetting scum KNOWS the setup IDK if that changes how I should be scumhunting but it adds an interesting wrinkle to everything
oh HEY ARI VOTES COOL I LOVE IT
I'm not quoting them but Ydrasse is just back to AtE spamposting and flirting with Hectic instead of posting content
SHE JSUT GOT DONE VOTING FOR XOF BECAUSE XOF IS APPARENTLY SCUM AND THERE'S NO PUSHING, NO PRODDING, NO GETTING OTHER PEOPLE ONTO XOF HERE.
it's just empty. i don't know that I believe that Ydrasse believes her own scumread
And then Ydrasse puts Ari at L-1 hrmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm
Hectic asks for self-meta from Ari, Ari gives self-meta, Hectic quickly unvotes and removes pressure from Ari being at L-1.
I feel like I'm taking FUCKING CRAZY PILLS
jesus christ it's like Ydrasse realized one time she could post that gif and it would defuse any suspicion or anger directed towards her and now she just posts it on repeat CONSTANTLY OVER AND OVER and people go "ahaha, look it's that gif! anyway, what were we talking about"? it's like the goddamn flashy pen thing from Men in Black
In post 1832, The Bulge wrote:oh right updated stack
datisi
sirius
adorable
reck
xofelf
ydrasse
deasvail
creature
ari
ugh this list. we're so far apart on our reads bulge. i'd drop sirius and adorable down, move xof and dv up.
i literally do not know what i think about creature. they are an enigma. they post in a way that is like... impenetrable to reads imo. my team is zero help here and has largely stopped reading along unless i prod them for something specific. one thing that AGar flagged like a week ago was that creature had ari as a townread from the very beginning of the game without ever explaining it, that's it.
i see DV is now addressing Creature too
In post 1849, DeasVail wrote:Okay regarding Creature, I have (obviously) throughout the game had many periods of doubt about him but I keep coming back to a townread and I think I'm staying there.
I don't think I'm going to be able to perfectly explain my Creature read right now as it is a read I feel like I have solidly come to as the game has gone on but there's just so much stuff he has posted that I would find totally strange to come from scum.
For example, so much of Creature's ISO is about how DGB thinks me/xofelf are scum. It's beyond tired! It's so old that it's made a trendy comeback five times already. It honestly just looks... terrible. First it's deferring all responsibility of a read to a teammate which i feel like is the kind of thing people would easily latch onto, and secondly the fact that it's a repeated thing also just incites negative emotions (in me at least). But the problem is I don't think any of it is more likely to come from scum and could totally see this coming from Creature town where he's a bit lost in the gamestate and DGB is probably not completely engaged in the game but has these reads that it was passionate about early on and is just sticking by them. It is a world that I can see and hear and even taste!
I thought
1210 was very towny because it's exactly how I expect Creature-town to feel there.
These are to me more recent solid examples where I see Creature post things that I think scum would stop themselves from posting because they look bad but in fact they actually align with how I expect Creature-town to be thinking and it just makes sense to me in a weird way.
DV is this just Creature is too scummy to be scum, I'm not sure the ultimate point ur making here?
In post 1861, DeasVail wrote:Who are the viable votes for me Datisi?
I am not going to vote Ari or Creature
why won't you vote Ari?
PLEASE FUCKING VOTE ARI
In post 1871, Sirius9121 wrote:
Ok
Deal
VOTE: nO oNe AhaHaHAh
Uh I’ll vote tomorrow morning
There’s 20 whole hours
i will hammer this at deadline or if it gets to L-1 without even fucking blinking, what a sack of useless shit this slot has been
