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Post Post #2000  (ISO)  » Sat Feb 13, 2021 10:29 pm

In post 1630, xofelf wrote:Like, okay, look. I think we go about looking at reasoning fairly differently. Like if you said would Ydrasse do this, I might think about it. But like, there's a lot of stuff that isn't outside of the kind of things scum would do to look town. Like playing in a way to appear like a poor player is entirely within the realm of things people can and do often do. Like I look at Ydrasse's behaviour here, and a lot of her interactions with people specifically look like trying to behave a certain way with certain people to get specific emotional responses. Like, the people she knows, if she says this thing in this way to them, then it'll give them good feelings and vibes so of course she has to be town, right? I'm not saying town doesn't do that either, but there is something about the way she does these interactions that feel like a performance or almost gamebotty to borrow an LSG term, it's like if I put enough of the feelings coins into the interaction slot, town reads will pop out.

Maybe Ceph is wrong, but like, I'm playing with him because I trust his reads much more due to more experience than I have. And something just sticks out in a way that doesn't gel right.

P-edit: Lol okay. Well don't apologize, just fix it >:(

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Post Post #2001  (ISO)  » Sat Feb 13, 2021 10:30 pm

In post 1981, Creature wrote:Deas is town. What can we do now with a tight time?

Why? Because he claimed VT?

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Post Post #2002  (ISO)  » Sat Feb 13, 2021 10:30 pm

Also Adorable's vote on RCE D1 looks the most likely a bus considering it was done after the selfvote and never unvoted.
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Post Post #2003  (ISO)  » Sat Feb 13, 2021 10:31 pm

In post 2001, Augustus Caesar wrote:
In post 1981, Creature wrote:Deas is town. What can we do now with a tight time?

Why? Because he claimed VT?

All their recent posts too
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Post Post #2004  (ISO)  » Sat Feb 13, 2021 10:31 pm

Also my team agrees Deas is town here
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Post Post #2005  (ISO)  » Sat Feb 13, 2021 10:32 pm

tbh I'm now feeling either xofelf or Adorable as optimal options for today.

Only if we had the enough time...
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Post Post #2006  (ISO)  » Sat Feb 13, 2021 10:33 pm

Yeah, it's what my gut is telling me as well....

DEAS

I know I'm probably gonna be regarded as a meta-freak at this point, but lay it on me...


the self-meta and if you're out of your scum range

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Post Post #2007  (ISO)  » Sat Feb 13, 2021 10:35 pm

In post 1988, Augustus Caesar wrote:
In post 1983, xofelf wrote:Like sure you may actually mean all of this, and this may all be true, but I don't know that for sure and there's nothing that says you can't just be lying about it. So like *heavy shrugs*.

I'm not the type of player to exaggerate reads as town. If I say I'm really confident about a read, it's because I'm really confident about it. Datisi has a first-hand example where I had a strong townread on another player who I have a very good readrate on from another game, and town didn't sheep my read after my death and lost as a result. Aware this is also anecdotal, but I'm not tunnelled or confbiased or whatever you want to call it in this.

Sure. Like, I'll know this later if we play again, but that does not help me right now in this game in this moment. If you're right, you're right, that's great. But idk man, there's just shit about her behaviour that doesn't sit right with me, and even if you're able to be like "Nah trust me, this is fine cuz of xyz in other things" that doesn't exactly mean much to me when I wanna know why those are things right now in this game and from her, and her explanations and reactions haven't given me enough to actually see what it is that you're seeing. Additionally the way I see it, if it is in fact the case that I'm wrong, then we'll have a lot more information to actually sort out a lot of other people just based of what she has said and done. And at the very least that's beneficial imo.

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In post 1630, xofelf wrote:Like, okay, look. I think we go about looking at reasoning fairly differently. Like if you said would Ydrasse do this, I might think about it. But like, there's a lot of stuff that isn't outside of the kind of things scum would do to look town. Like playing in a way to appear like a poor player is entirely within the realm of things people can and do often do. Like I look at Ydrasse's behaviour here, and a lot of her interactions with people specifically look like trying to behave a certain way with certain people to get specific emotional responses. Like, the people she knows, if she says this thing in this way to them, then it'll give them good feelings and vibes so of course she has to be town, right? I'm not saying town doesn't do that either, but there is something about the way she does these interactions that feel like a performance or almost gamebotty to borrow an LSG term, it's like if I put enough of the feelings coins into the interaction slot, town reads will pop out.

Maybe Ceph is wrong, but like, I'm playing with him because I trust his reads much more due to more experience than I have. And something just sticks out in a way that doesn't gel right.

P-edit: Lol okay. Well don't apologize, just fix it >:(

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Yeah well, DGB and I don't always see eye to eye in games a lot, though I don't know that I've played with them when they weren't scum and I was town.


Do you wanna do Adorable, cuz I can do Adorable. I am very into getting a solid read on that slot too.
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Post Post #2008  (ISO)  » Sat Feb 13, 2021 10:35 pm

you know, I should probably be townreading Deas's absolute refusal to vote Ari when he's by far his best shot at a counterwagon. Insisting on Ydrasse after I'm relentlessly hard defending her decreases his odds for survival...

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Post Post #2009  (ISO)  » Sat Feb 13, 2021 10:36 pm

I log in and I see that my name is being mentioned. I need to catch up first to see what's going on.

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Post Post #2010  (ISO)  » Sat Feb 13, 2021 10:37 pm

Okay I know that eliminating me at this point seems like a foregone conclusion for some but I will prove myself as town somehow in the coming days. I don’t know how that’ll be but I want to be a slot that is widely townread and an easy exclusion from poe. Not whatever this is.

Hectic I think the main difference between my scum and towngames is that scum is more of a PERFORMANCE for me. Some scum games I don’t have much motivation and struggle with activity (which I also do as town sometimes) but in a game like this I would be trying to BLEED TOWN in every post I make.

I don’t know if I have a scumrange really because my town game is generally more understated and I can come up with content pretty easily as scum imo

(I think from an outside perspective someone might have an idea of my scumrange but it’s honestly been so long since I’ve played a proper game as scum)

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Post Post #2011  (ISO)  » Sat Feb 13, 2021 10:42 pm

I need to sleep.......

VOTE: Adorable

Someone hold me, tell me it's all gonna be okay

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Post Post #2012  (ISO)  » Sat Feb 13, 2021 10:43 pm

(didn't change my vote because of that self-meta, that did nothing for me)

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Post Post #2013  (ISO)  » Sat Feb 13, 2021 10:44 pm

The fact that it did nothing for you is probably a sign

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Post Post #2014  (ISO)  » Sat Feb 13, 2021 10:45 pm

heaven fucking help me why are you voting adorable hectic

VOTE: adorable
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Post Post #2015  (ISO)  » Sat Feb 13, 2021 10:45 pm

oh, that you'd try and have it do something for me as scum?

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Post Post #2016  (ISO)  » Sat Feb 13, 2021 10:48 pm

In post 2014, Datisi wrote:heaven fucking help me why are you voting adorable hectic

VOTE: adorable

I don't know LOL

my gut's just screaming Deas is town and Puff has been posting less and less recently and then the timing of that return.......

btw I will hate you if you're just using me as a way to systematically get as many claims out today as possible

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Post Post #2017  (ISO)  » Sat Feb 13, 2021 10:50 pm

In post 1984, DeasVail wrote:I know I’m going to sound like I’m off my rocker but the main thing I’d like people to keep in mind if I die is I think Datisi is massively over-townread here and I hate that there’s a psychologist inno on him because I think he’s a serious contender for scum.

Also if I’m going to be eliminated here I would hate it to be for nothing and as dead town I would ask for my reads to please be at least be taken into account

In post 1994, DeasVail wrote:I don’t know, I don’t have much to say. As scum id be going all out but it’s the middle of the day and I have other things I’m doing and I feel like I need to do something to stop myself from dying here but I don’t know what that is and the main thing I’m worried about honestly is being wrong about my townread on ari and looking like an idiot but I seriously think he’s town and am also worried that people will elim him and we’ll lose the great start we had I guess

these are SCREAMING at me

it's so loud, my ears are starting to bleed

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Post Post #2018  (ISO)  » Sat Feb 13, 2021 10:51 pm

i'm tryna get a yeet in dude, you're changing votes yourself
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Post Post #2019  (ISO)  » Sat Feb 13, 2021 10:52 pm

I need to give my thoughts out if I do get mislynched today. Also, Akarin read my game for the first time yesterday since I said in my team chat I have been scum reading a some players but my scum reads have been getting town read and i get the feeling I might have been town reading scum players. A part of me still thinks I might have been on the right track on my read.

I'll paraphrase on what Akarin said in my chat.

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Post Post #2020  (ISO)  » Sat Feb 13, 2021 10:52 pm

creature/hectic/me/xof/reck willing to hammer/we need one more

deas????
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Post Post #2021  (ISO)  » Sat Feb 13, 2021 10:53 pm

Akarin said some really interesting takes and I'll try to write them down as much as I can since she said alot of stuff.

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Post Post #2022  (ISO)  » Sat Feb 13, 2021 10:53 pm

Puff, can you list out those players you're townreading and scumreading?

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Post Post #2023  (ISO)  » Sat Feb 13, 2021 10:56 pm

In post 2018, Datisi wrote:i'm tryna get a yeet in dude, you're changing votes yourself

restraining myself to Deas or Puff before I go to sleep now

which I should be doing but

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Post Post #2024  (ISO)  » Sat Feb 13, 2021 10:56 pm

I am able to change my vote as needed any time up until deadline, if that’s a concern

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