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[Thestatusquo]

Like my thinking is pretty much right now: Pines claim is fake, in addition to the other scummy ways that pine has played this makes me think pine is scum. If you look at pines play FL is his most likely partner so that's where I'm at.

I'm not getting to step two yet, though. I've specifically argued against flipping FL today because I think his alignment is much more contingent on yours than the other way around, which is in direct contradiction to your claim that you fl is "my solve" which is not even remotely close to what I've argued today.

[Thestatusquo]

Nancy still focusing on the misread of her rather than the salient facts. So Town.

DGB’s scumputer algorithm is based on votes, Nancy, and your tendency to emotionally vote hop all over the place rather than sticking to solid and rational solving is pinging it. It is structurally bad at reading you.

I’m contrast, Shea is an old school player who played the game when VCA was an extremely dangerous tool, exactly because of people like DGB. You’ll notice that FL, Shea, and I are all lowest on DGB’s list? It’s a structural and methodological difference.

What? VCA was never dangerous. It's always been bullshit.

Then why you tried to clear yourself just now by pointing out that you second last on DGB's VCA?

Another misrep. I'm not trying to clear myself, just pointing out that your push lacks internal consistency. You keep saying I'm scum in spite of the arguments that you yourself are making.

I almost added "VCA is trash" to my original point but honestly I expected you to be able to understand the nuanced difference between me arguing that you're attacking me when the things you're talking about suggest I'm clear vs me saying that it clears me. I'd never suggest the latter but I'm asking you either to be more intellectually honest if you're scum or reevaluate if you're town and put any weight in that garbage.

[Nancy Drew 39]

i think "isn't liking" is a stretch to rule buddies out

I agree. While Ram’s conclusion definitely seems plausible, I could also see it as just being too easy and finding out the actual scumteam is rarely that cut and dried. What I probably do agree with Ram is that all scum is likely in those 4. Why couldn’t we possibly have a Pine/Shea team, an FL/Norwee team or an FL/Shea team? I don’t think we can rule either of those out. Out of those 4, the only the only team that I see as implausible is a Pine/Norwee team.

So Pine/FL, Pine/Shea, FL/Shea, Norwee/Shea and FL/Norwee are still possiblities. My team currently leans to FL/Pine. FL mostly for the over the top AtE, emotional manipulation, threats, etic. Scum!FL also threw a rage-induced fit in CoD, when he didn’t get his way and his push on me earlier would fit his pattern of antagonizing me after he pocketed me in that game. So that’s why I can’t rule out a possible FL/Norwee team because if Norwee flips scum, FL wouldn’t be cleared by that because Norwee made it extremely clear, he isn’t interested in any flip today other than Pine’s. So they’re actually more confident on FL than Pine but that’s against the remainder of the playerlist consensus.

3 out of 5 teams involve TSQ, so flipping him is best way to solve this. Don't you agree with this?

But only if it’s not in FL/Pine which is still possible. My team isn’t even currently sr Shea.

Why your team TR TSQ?

Koba wasn’t, they had a hard sr on them, Math is. Math is disagreeing with Titus’ VCA. Shea is a difficult slot to parse if you rely on meta at all because I have none on him.

[Thestatusquo]

My meta is that I try to play exactly the same way as scum and town which is what everyone should do but apparently thats like not a thing anymore on this site.

[Thestatusquo]

i think "isn't liking" is a stretch to rule buddies out

I agree. While Ram’s conclusion definitely seems plausible, I could also see it as just being too easy and finding out the actual scumteam is rarely that cut and dried. What I probably do agree with Ram is that all scum is likely in those 4. Why couldn’t we possibly have a Pine/Shea team, an FL/Norwee team or an FL/Shea team? I don’t think we can rule either of those out. Out of those 4, the only the only team that I see as implausible is a Pine/Norwee team.

So Pine/FL, Pine/Shea, FL/Shea, Norwee/Shea and FL/Norwee are still possiblities. My team currently leans to FL/Pine. FL mostly for the over the top AtE, emotional manipulation, threats, etic. Scum!FL also threw a rage-induced fit in CoD, when he didn’t get his way and his push on me earlier would fit his pattern of antagonizing me after he pocketed me in that game. So that’s why I can’t rule out a possible FL/Norwee team because if Norwee flips scum, FL wouldn’t be cleared by that because Norwee made it extremely clear, he isn’t interested in any flip today other than Pine’s. So they’re actually more confident on FL than Pine but that’s against the remainder of the playerlist consensus.

3 out of 5 teams involve TSQ, so flipping him is best way to solve this. Don't you agree with this?

But only if it’s not in FL/Pine which is still possible. My team isn’t even currently sr Shea.

Why your team TR TSQ?

Koba wasn’t, they had a hard sr on them, Math is. Math is disagreeing with Titus’ VCA. Shea is a difficult slot to parse if you rely on meta at all because I have none on him.

Pretty sure I've played with mathblade though, definitely IRL, not sure about forum.

[Nancy Drew 39]

I am not weakest by VCA. Sorry, if I were scum, that’s never the case.

Ask Mathblade about how I abused VCA to hard pocket Titus

Math’s argument was you mindmelding with her on wrong reads like me with TGP for example. I’ll do that. Tell me about DEB and what his voting patterns point to - given that he’s the only flipped scum?

[Ramcius]

Koba wasn’t, they had a hard sr on them, Math is. Math is disagreeing with Titus’ VCA. Shea is a difficult slot to parse if you rely on meta at all because I have none on him.

All I can see is null, I don't see a reason for a TR from this

[Thestatusquo]

this is literally the best argument you have. People say I'm town and then you desperately try to suggest that their town reads should be null reads and then you say things like "everyone is null reading shea so he's a good consensus flip" but both norwee and nancy didn't say town, they said null.

It's just so incredibly disingenuous.

[Thestatusquo]

Flip that "didn't say null, they said town"

[Nancy Drew 39]

Koba wasn’t, they had a hard sr on them, Math is. Math is disagreeing with Titus’ VCA. Shea is a difficult slot to parse if you rely on meta at all because I have none on him.

All I can see is null, I don't see a reason for a TR from this

Math tr him I think. Koba hard sr him. No one else has said much about him.

[Thestatusquo]

Koba wasn’t, they had a hard sr on them, Math is. Math is disagreeing with Titus’ VCA. Shea is a difficult slot to parse if you rely on meta at all because I have none on him.

All I can see is null, I don't see a reason for a TR from this

Math tr him I think. Koba hard sr him. No one else has said much about him.

Looked at your team. Pooky played with me in the last 2 months in stuff I'm listening to.

[Nancy Drew 39]

Koba wasn’t, they had a hard sr on them, Math is. Math is disagreeing with Titus’ VCA. Shea is a difficult slot to parse if you rely on meta at all because I have none on him.

All I can see is null, I don't see a reason for a TR from this

Math tr him I think. Koba hard sr him. No one else has said much about him.

Looked at your team. Pooky played with me in the last 2 months in stuff I'm listening to.

I pinged him.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Ram why are you set on eliming in me/tsq if you can only see two possibilities and one of them is Pine/FL.
If it comes down to that kind of process of elimination, why take the path that is currently harder.
Why favour any path at all?

JJH would like to state that he is very much of the opinion that this is a pine/ram scumteam right now. He thinks it makes sense that ram is now pushing TSQ rather than me, norwe, since he's assuming i will go hard on Pine/FL
Also, all this focus on pairs is distracting from how Pine has lied about his role PM and is objectively scum no matter who else is.

[Thestatusquo]

Ram why are you set on eliming in me/tsq if you can only see two possibilities and one of them is Pine/FL.
If it comes down to that kind of process of elimination, why take the path that is currently harder.
Why favour any path at all?

JJH would like to state that he is very much of the opinion that this is a pine/ram scumteam right now. He thinks it makes sense that ram is now pushing TSQ rather than me, norwe, since he's assuming i will go hard on Pine/FL
Also, all this focus on pairs is distracting from how Pine has lied about his role PM and is objectively scum no matter who else is.

This is why pine is so focused on mischaracterizing me as saying I've been pushing a "Team solve" when in fact my argument is and always has been that pines claim makes no sense and that I think FL is his most likely buddy but that there are many things that could make me reevaluate the second part.

His insistence that the fact that I'm not rigidly pushing pine/fl and in fact see other possibilities is truly bizarre to me.

[NorwegianboyEE]

I'm not going to consider even voting TSQ until Pine is dead.

[NorwegianboyEE]

If Ramcius really sees TSQ/Norwe and Pine/FL as the only possible teams at this point I really don't see why he'd care which one got voted first

[NorwegianboyEE]

If Ramcius is scum here then him going after TSQ with the intention of switching straight over to a pine/FL scumteam when TSQ flips town is exactly the optimal scum strat.

[Ramcius]

this is literally the best argument you have. People say I'm town and then you desperately try to suggest that their town reads should be null reads and then you say things like "everyone is null reading shea so he's a good consensus flip" but both norwee and nancy didn't say town, they said null.

It's just so incredibly disingenuous.

Is it my turn to call your bs a misrep? First thing I do is to ask why they tr you, neither Norwee or Nancy gave a reason for tr, so it's a null in my book. Just FYI, null can flip either way, I'm very aware that you can flip town, I'm not going around shouting that you're scum, I'm trying to have better gamestate and smaller PoE for D4 and to hit scum, if we lucky

[Nancy Drew 39]

Oka wanted to know why we were fading Shea?

I’m assuming it was because I asked my entire team for reads on him. I also did Ram.

What bothers me the most about Pine is he won’t commit to jking Misty.

[Ramcius]

Ram why are you set on eliming in me/tsq if you can only see two possibilities and one of them is Pine/FL.
If it comes down to that kind of process of elimination, why take the path that is currently harder.
Why favour any path at all?

JJH would like to state that he is very much of the opinion that this is a pine/ram scumteam right now. He thinks it makes sense that ram is now pushing TSQ rather than me, norwe, since he's assuming i will go hard on Pine/FL
Also, all this focus on pairs is distracting from how Pine has lied about his role PM and is objectively scum no matter who else is.

If I could get you flipped, I would, I just don't see where to get 2 more votes for your elim. I literally explained why I think Pine is town, FL is more sketchy, but still townlean, also DGB says that FL's crumb means that his claim is more likely to be truth, I told that Pine/FL team doesn't make sense from setup spec for me, I gave plenty reason why I don't want flip them, yet you still ask again. If TSQ flips green, flip Pine, where's the problem?

[NorwegianboyEE]

If TSQ flips green, flip Pine, where's the problem?

The problem is that flipping Pine after TSQ gives more room for error to make the wrong choice in you/FL whom are the most likely Pine scum teammates.

[NorwegianboyEE]

If you think the team with a Pine townflip is exactly me/TSQ then go ahead and vote Pine. If they flip town FL can prove we are indeed the scum and have us eliminated. Easy peasy. All i'm asking is for an vote on Pine to flip scum so it's proved that TSQ/me are town and should never be considered for an elimination again.

[Ramcius]

If you think the team with a Pine townflip is exactly me/TSQ then go ahead and vote Pine. If they flip town FL can prove we are indeed the scum and have us eliminated. Easy peasy. All i'm asking is for an vote on Pine to flip scum so it's proved that TSQ/me are town and should never be considered for an elimination again.

So you could say "It's Ram and FL!"? Nah, I'm good

[NorwegianboyEE]

Where is Ram's confidence that it's one of those two possible pairings going now? Wouldn't i lose a whole lot of credibility with a pine townflip?

[Nancy Drew 39]

“Too early for VCA” in a 173-page game in D3 had me lol-ing.

DGB, please. Whip out the scumputer and do work.

Norwee>Nancy>Mystix>FL>TSQ> Pine

that's what scumputer says, from most likely to least likely to be scum based on VCA

P-edit: who even thinks that you're lock town?

I don’t even understand your reasoning here, doesn’t DGB brilliant “scumputer”. have Shea 2nd to last here? It’s also worthless since I know I’m town and Misty is mech town but whatever.