TM2021 | Anime Destroys Untrod Tripod | Endgame

[Nancy Drew 39]

I mean, Ico's kill doesn't make sense at all no matter how I look at it, so only thing that I can think is scum thought Ico softed some PR and they killed him for it

If you could maybe link/quote any posts where you think that happened, it would be extemely helpful.

I'm not ISO diving Ico and I'm not going to guess what scum could consider PR soft

As for second of your post, it's last year mini theme that was discussed earlier and whole "Pine is scum based on setup" is based upon

All of the scum in that game had either a one or two shot. I didn’t check the town flips.

[NorwegianboyEE]

All the town too.

[NorwegianboyEE]

All the town and scum in previous game of this theme had X-shot roles.
All hard confirmed flips in this game so far have X-shot roles.

But apparently Pine is a full jailkeeper.

[NorwegianboyEE]

It's not setup spec saying that an ungated role must be scum, it is that an ungated role must be a lie.
And that a liar in this situation is scum.

[Nancy Drew 39]

All the town too.

Yep, scum had 1 2 shots and town was either vt, one shot and two players were 2 shots.

[Nancy Drew 39]

It's not setup spec saying that an ungated role must be scum, it is that an ungated role must be a lie.
And that a liar in this situation is scum.

Well it definitely debunks Ram’s Pine leashing argument because that would make him at minimum 3 shot. However, Pine said that TGP had a75% chance of being scum by role but that game actually had a one shot town neighbourizer in it, just like this game.

[Thestatusquo]

Also, updated scumputer results for only Pine/FL/Norwee/TSQ are Norwee>TSQ>FL>Pine

DGB said that scumputer isn't a solve and shouldn't be threated as such, it shouldn't change reads more than 10-15%

Lastly, DGB pointed out that on TGP wagon only potential scum is Norwee, and Norwee was main push behind zor wagon too

Very convenient that when called out on this not matching your positions in the game it suddenly switched to match them exactly. Curious.

[Nancy Drew 39]

thoughts about my other posts?

Yes actually.

Shirou told me that he disagrees with your read on FL and Pine because you shouldn't disregard a hypotethical Pine/FL scum team so easily.
In the last TM scum!FL + scum!Kuribo gave easy town reads to each other and defended themselves together.
FL/Pine aren't typical scum afraid to give town reads to partners.

Can you also link this game for me? Thanks.

[NorwegianboyEE]

thoughts about my other posts?

Yes actually.

Shirou told me that he disagrees with your read on FL and Pine because you shouldn't disregard a hypotethical Pine/FL scum team so easily.
In the last TM scum!FL + scum!Kuribo gave easy town reads to each other and defended themselves together.
FL/Pine aren't typical scum afraid to give town reads to partners.

Can you also link this game for me? Thanks.

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[Thestatusquo]

Norwee>TSQ>FL>Pine

Norwee>FL>TSQ> Pine

This is comical. Hilarious that since we're pushing me and you keep trying to suggest that I'm a consensus flip I just magically swapped places with FL in the analysis. Nice update.

[Ramcius]

Also, updated scumputer results for only Pine/FL/Norwee/TSQ are Norwee>TSQ>FL>Pine

DGB said that scumputer isn't a solve and shouldn't be threated as such, it shouldn't change reads more than 10-15%

Lastly, DGB pointed out that on TGP wagon only potential scum is Norwee, and Norwee was main push behind zor wagon too

Very convenient that when called out on this not matching your positions in the game it suddenly switched to match them exactly. Curious.

Only changes are that you are above FL now, if Nancy and Mystix are considered locktown, that's not so big of a change as you try to make it

[Ramcius]

thoughts about my other posts?

Yes actually.

Shirou told me that he disagrees with your read on FL and Pine because you shouldn't disregard a hypotethical Pine/FL scum team so easily.
In the last TM scum!FL + scum!Kuribo gave easy town reads to each other and defended themselves together.
FL/Pine aren't typical scum afraid to give town reads to partners.

Can you also link this game for me? Thanks.

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Are you comparing 13p setup with 17p setup?

[Thestatusquo]

Yes, so the analysis has now changed when nothing has changed to match the analysis, and happens to have changed in a way to support your narrative exactly, again with literally no additional input. There have been no vote changes since you posted the original one.

So what did it change based off of?

[Thestatusquo]

This is what I mean by the disingenuous arguments you're just consistently making. Nothing has changed that would change vote count analysis, and yet somehow the analysis has magically changed to match your narrative.

The only conclusion I can draw is you literally just changed it because you didn't like that people were pointing out that you shouldn't be pushing me based off of it.

[Ramcius]

Yes, so the analysis has now changed when nothing has changed to match the analysis, and happens to have changed in a way to support your narrative exactly, again with literally no additional input. There have been no vote changes since you posted the original one.

So what did it change based off of?

I literally said it - Nancy and Mystix were elevated to lock town status from random thus results are different

[Thestatusquo]

How does that change the vote count analysis of the votes of other people?

[NorwegianboyEE]

Are you comparing 13p setup with 17p setup?

What does that have to do with the point i was making in my initial post?

[Ramcius]

This is what I mean by the disingenuous arguments you're just consistently making. Nothing has changed that would change vote count analysis, and yet somehow the analysis has magically changed to match your narrative.

The only conclusion I can draw is you literally just changed it because you didn't like that people were pointing out that you shouldn't be pushing me based off of it.

For the last time, I didn't push you for it, secondly, I didn't asked it, he Pine did, he knows how this works, I don't, at least not in-dept and I can't really explain it, and lastly, I literally paraphrased DGB's words that this shouldn't be used as a solve, so maybe start reading before misrep, because it's getting really old and boring

[NorwegianboyEE]

All this scummy backtracking and crazy logic from Ramcius is really making me consider FL being town here, and that's an accomplishment.

[Ramcius]

I think I'll follow FL's and Pine's example and leave you for your own devices, because I'm at my limits. That's for "obv towns" towns, who want to take their sweet time and wait for deadline

[NorwegianboyEE]

That's for "obv towns" towns, who want to take their sweet time and wait for deadline

I'm not going to take part in your endeavor of miseliminating TSQ when Pine is obvscum.

[Nancy Drew 39]

thoughts about my other posts?

Yes actually.

Shirou told me that he disagrees with your read on FL and Pine because you shouldn't disregard a hypotethical Pine/FL scum team so easily.
In the last TM scum!FL + scum!Kuribo gave easy town reads to each other and defended themselves together.
FL/Pine aren't typical scum afraid to give town reads to partners.

Can you also link this game for me? Thanks.

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:/ I’m town. I’ll just let it happen. I lost all energy with this game

Well giving up is apparently NAI for him. He actually seemed pretty townie in that game. But Shirou was in that game and jjh was in last year’s mini theme.

[NorwegianboyEE]

*Ramcius loses an argument and is looking really bad*

Ramcius: "I'm going to ignore you now!"

[NorwegianboyEE]

@Nancy Drew
@TheStatusQuo
@Akarin

Can you all help me convince MistyX to vote Pine.

[Mistyx]

we've got time

i'm strongly leaning that way but i want to think this out more okay