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[willow1]

howdy

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up to page 5, grabbing food, thanks for the warm welcome everybody

so first why are all of the wagons on town based on the v/c

VOTE: pooky

aggressive and confident little fella this game ain't he

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lunar is slight town lean for me right now

i don't know who to vote

this would be my second vote btw, really forced nuance imo

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now that i'm caught up i'll chip in on mech

bb isn't that town anymore, really fixated on the pooky vote which was blatantly rvs. would say you're on the right track with denying scum power (given that they strengthen the longer they sit in pack) but need to weigh that against town power. also should be outing specific scum role in event you take it unless there is town utility in hiding, "rolestealer" stuff is bad since scum is all goons+any rolestealing card can't get played until n2.

toog is scummy imo, game should be solvable given that scum have to choose both who to pass to+shoot to deny packs, plenty of town compensation. despite the best attempt of gypyx fullclaiming packs day 2 is probably gamebreaking and worth full consideration.

pizza hydra is annoying but locktown after this

shadowslug asks great questions, also very skeptical of tris, probably town

gamma/nm are both gut town, gamma's reaction to the push was pretty nai though idk what people are smoking

no fucking clue re: pooky, mastina/lld similar, i'm not reading into your 2012 histories. lunar wasn't really notable to me outside of the dayvig stuff which was w/e. flea's reaction wasn't great to pizza but idk.

greyice completely missed the point of this.

I think Grey took it to 11 with the vote, and as of right now I'm a little suspicious of it as the attack seems more in the vein of trying to find anything to attack that can emulate scum hunting. I really don't see the scum motivation in Molla's post, but it's something that can easily be attacked, giving people who want a way to look active something to do.

greyice's response to this was way out the rails but this is a great way to say grey is trying to get out of RVS, scum motivation for molla's play (gambit/cover for use) was given by grey and toog straight up didn't care. i think it's +town for molla but don't exactly have to dig deep to find scum molla in it.

VOTE: tris shamelessly just going to sheep all of shadowslugs's points/questions, toog/bb in that order fine alternates imo

[willow1]

hey welcome dude are you an alt? noticed you have no games

yes. not going to say anything else b/c i want this to be a repeat acc so deal w/ it.

what do u mean about the wagons?

page 19 vc, saying pizza/bb/me were all town, only other slot with more than 1 vote was toog. both gut reads, bb less town now.

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actually rolestealer concern is valid despite not being able to function until n2, scratch that

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I think Grey took it to 11 with the vote, and as of right now I'm a little suspicious of it as the attack seems more in the vein of trying to find anything to attack that can emulate scum hunting. I really don't see the scum motivation in Molla's post, but it's something that can easily be attacked, giving people who want a way to look active something to do.

greyice's response to this was way out the rails but this is a great way to say grey is trying to get out of RVS, scum motivation for molla's play (gambit/cover for use) was given by grey and toog straight up didn't care. i think it's +town for molla but don't exactly have to dig deep to find scum molla in it.o

this whole angle is also pretty fucked when you realize that it actually took greyice awhile to swing the vote around, at first he just thought it was bad play

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i think this is amished but maybe im misunderstanding

not familiar with the term

Willow seems to be blatantly buddying and trying to pocket. The takes are also a bit odd sometimes.

first is valid, leaving it at takes being odd does nothing

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not, phrasing of question makes me think you're referring to tacking onto shadowslug, earlier posts make it obvious what i think about tris, don't need to copy/paste or restate basically same things. if not referring to shadow you're voting my only real townread

valid perspective =/= reality

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512 re: toog is just bad but w/e work through it

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get that you're hyperposting, way to punish scum doing same is to force them to justify bullshit

ie. what takes are odd and why

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it's complete, referring to buddying question

thanks for playing big brain keepaway instead of just answering, going to be very fun to read

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yeah, every game i've ever played that's exactly what happens

tempted to voteswing but i'll stay, zero confidence in you as a player regardless of alignment

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i think this is amished but maybe im misunderstanding

not familiar with the term

Willow seems to be blatantly buddying and trying to pocket. The takes are also a bit odd sometimes.

first is valid, leaving it at takes being odd does nothing

if a player criticizes the person they replaced they're scum

the logic is a player knows the player they replaced is town and wouldn't bother reading through their posts, but first thing scum does when they replace in is iso their former selves to see how fucked they are

idk if what you did qualifies so I'm meh on it

this makes sense, if it helps i revisited it the timeline trying to sort you/toog specifically.

do you think the pooky vote's lack of explanation is that strongly AI for grey?

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willow your posting is quite hard to parse at times, i have to read at least several times to get what the heck ur saying lol

thanks for the heads up, am trying to be a bit more terse but good to know i'm overshooting it

also -

was

i that suspicious of tris? i only asked her a few questions if i recall

i mean you're not voting there but i was pleasantly surprised by how much you got out of this sequence

is it ok if i go to sleep now, and engage in the morning?

why did you ask this if sleeping was always going to be your plan

someone could have barged into my room and threatened my life in order get me to say more if they wanted. i was allowing that as an option. also i have a secret reason.

trying to think of what SECRET REASON there could be to make that post. if you were always going to sleep and engage the thread in the morning why ask the question. help me out a little??

the big response to this i didn't like, was surprised by the defensiveness of it and you were right that the vote swap around was strange. i also hated the "interesting" followup to noraa explaining she's a bit burnt out in this post, which doesn't help my feeling of trying to give life to their posts and falling flat

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agree with the people saying bbmolla is town, has me as scum but doesn't push the amished tell more forcefully. don't think molla really holds that back.

conveniently same reads as predecessor

think this is an oversimplification, might be worth revieiwing

someone is going to have to sell me on toog town because his engagement with greyice did not seem in good faith from the start, saying this as someone who regularly takes the same line of attack (pressing on the first person to press) as mafia. joke about mafia all repping out also felt forced to me but pretty dumb to put stock in that.

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several people asked me about gamma, going to just tackle them in aggregate

I think I disagree that this is towny though. Gamma has the capability to react like this as scum, and from my (limited) experience with Gamma I'd call reactions like this a sort of default for him in response to pressure.
Like on the other hand if you look at this:

this is dead on about gamma's default reaction to pressure being that indignant mad, which is why i called anyone townreading that reaction high

the only posts that actually gutpinged me as town were the baseline explanations in these posts before the mad really kicks in

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ur mom

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lunar is slight town lean for me right now

i don't know who to vote

this would be my second vote btw, really forced nuance imo

what is forced nuance?

it means i think you're making these posts about not knowing, townleans, etc. to seem like you're solving or working through things but to me it just seems fake

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not going to answer it dude, take it up with the listmods if you think i'm banned or w/e

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explained my read on you, you got mad and it's not ai, not meant to insult you, get over it

pooky vote isn't that bad but idk, i thought pooky played less aggressively but then i took a look at fl vs. hectic and figured this was just how he's playing now

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if you don't like being hearing that you react a certain way that much, stop doing it, just an idea

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pooky, how serious is the pizza push? last read i saw

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in general think clidd is town btw, lunar's engagement with me felt genuine even if it was annoying and blatantly anti-town which is why i didn't voteswing. no point in voting/pressuring and wasting a full page for me to grandstand

klick's entrance was okay, obviously vibed with some parts but not really sure how to read that slot. lld going to bat for my slot is pretty nai i think

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my votepool atm is {tris, toog} w/ {pooky, mastina, flea, nm/gamma, klick} as ordered backups. still a good amount of time before deadline but comes at you fast.

tris's reaction wasn't awful or anything but not really inclined to move atm

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was about to say it might help to do more solving over just defending yourself

not so sure about that pooky read but i'll revisit tomorrow, trying to limit this game to an hour or so a day

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would strongly recommend taking a step back pizza, not a fair treatment of pooky's point imo

get you're frustrated but need to slow it down

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think you're town but not voting clidd sorry

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wouldn't surprise me either way

think that you were unfair to pooky's point and it's better to slow down and calmly address it over treating it like obvious garbage b/c you're in fact town

you got my unsolicited advice & 2 cents, already stuck around too long today, going to dip, cya tomorrow

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if you think I'm scum trying to help you over just shutting up and letting you dig your own grave, dunno what to tell you

[willow1]

cell towers down and power out

hope i can still play but complete unknown when i can access again, first time i bit of service all day and need to save phone battery

have permission to rep earlier if i don't show in 24 hr

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skimmed a bit, bad npom posts

gamma is a townlean, not a sr, already gave my own reasons for tris even before saying I liked shadow's questioning

sheeping shadow diff than agreeing on sr/line of inquiries

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pizza kind of mess, can't help them anymore but not touching that vote atm, not going to get to clidd wall/meta sorry

re: gamma glad you know it wasn't insulting, if you disagree w/ my conclusion or think im bullshitting entirely can backlink later

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not rly down to vote swap atm, not enthused w/ pooky vote, but might compromise on it, idk battery at 10% but hopefully see you soon

[willow1]

yo, figured out a way to consistently get data, busy now but will come by later!

ie. pls do not replace me

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reading the clidd pizza case it looks like it's a combination of knowing noraa personally and thinking the hydra dynamics were faked. hydra dynamics are what made me locktown it but maybe that's wrong.

i don't think klick is town but flea definitely deserved more pressure & this is a slot i think deserves more time, strong play/analysis

mastina has shot way up the preference list, really questionable approach to my slot, toog is still a good option for me too. don't think we're close to no elim yet but might just be different viewpoint.

votes for me are {npom, mastina, toog, flea, pooky}

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that's a null read on klick btw not a sr

still on phone, brevity not really a stylistic choice atm

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forgot about nm, can go below pooky

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if we're going to vote a null player like at least make it nm

klick will actually be more useful & readable as game goes on imo

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i mean if bbmolla is scumreading you doesn't he push that more aggressively? his fos on you looks a little shallow and conf-biasy imo

don't think it's that straightforward, isn't sure tell really applies and has given me more room to work with overall. my thinking with bb was he just keeps pushing me if he wants the misfade, arguably wants to save me for later or pocket me longterm but probably just town at this point

[willow1]

hey, sorry but i'm not going to have a lot of time today

my top two votes atm would be npom/mastina but i have a lot i want to go back over yesterday

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so i'm really concerned about the slowdown atm, it's partially my fault but we definitely need to pick it up a bit. i've been shellacked the last few days irl and am really tired and don't want to tackle the bigger projects (revisiting pizza) atm but we can take some interim measures in the meantime

first, it is antitown imo to be more specific, but i'm very confident that toog did not make the night kill last night!

second, bbmolla and pooky! congratulations! you've been chosen to be my accountability partners for tomorrow! if i don't show up grill me, let's hang out and solve mafia games tomorrow night. i think this game is really interesting and poses some unique challenges, i don't think we're hurting for anything to work through. i should be around by 9 est.

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have to stay late for work but will be around by 10 est

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really sorry for the scumteam for having to flake d3. that extended absence really hurt esp since I could no longer do the planned progression w/ bb i started d2. thanks a50 for trying to salvage it.

i also feel like I could have prevented the n3 shitshow but idk. pretty straightforward easy game until it wasn't.

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yeah mechanically planning kinda fell apart w/o me there, really sucks that i couldn't finish it. was very overgamed so that was my fault

think people townread my slot way too easily for my tonal switchup/not using capital letters tbh