Mini 673 - Game Over!

[Simenon]

Vote IH

Wagon please.

[Simenon]

Unvote
Vote Has

[Simenon]

Eh, random voting is just kind of annoying IMHO

It starts the discussions in the game..

Lots of things can start discussions in the game.

This, however, doesn't.

[Simenon]

Eh, random voting is just kind of annoying IMHO

It starts the discussions in the game..

Lots of things can start discussions in the game.

This, however, doesn't.

discussing discussion is still discussion.

The question is "does it start discussion". Because I took you up on it, you did manage to start a discussion, but it almost definitely would not have.

[Simenon]

Your title made my day. No joke. Fantastic.

I haven't figured out how to make watched topics yet/ I'm not that advanced.

In regards to the issue of discussion versus non-discussion, I think that the debate is a bit silly. Just let the discussion play out, regardless of its verbal value, and eventually, a

genuine

discussion will emerge. However, if we spend all of our time on discussing whether what were discussion has value as a discussion, we're going to get off track...

I took issue with it because it was a completely useless statement, not because it was a wrong discussion.

[Simenon]

Unvote
Vote scot

With sixteen days left we should pressure the nonpeople.

[Simenon]

I agree with Sim, btw.

You are going to have to use a different abbreviation for this game.

[Simenon]

They are voting for me because besides my random vote I haven't done anything.

Implying that you don't intend to?

[Simenon]

Stark, may I ask what I am doing that you are counting?

You're hardcore wagon-hopping, man.

But it wasn't actually a wagon when he hopped on it.

[Simenon]

Following players need to post a lot more content:

FaerieLord
Haterade
Tomato

Add the rest of the players, removing stark and fuzzy and I agree.

What is there for me to add, exactly?

[Simenon]

I'd be willing to support a has wagon. Post 114 was silly.

[Simenon]

1. Tomato is posting enough content given the circumstances.
2. In an attack, I find it more townie to omit an admission of guilt.

Maybe "silly" wasn't right. But something was off about it.

[Simenon]

The difference is in the tone. Your post had an even-handed attitude that a lot of mafia use to appear being fair. Tomato's inclusion of his name was unnecessary, but not scummy.

[Simenon]

We have nine days. Someone better have a damn good reason why our votes shouldn't go to scot, fuzzy, or hasdg at this point.

I'd prefer to switch to the has wagon if necessary over fuzzy, but I think the scot wagon is good enough right now.

[Simenon]

We actually have only a week.

We need a near-mass prod and more people on wagons.

[Simenon]

I missed why scot should have a wagon though..

Maybe you should have paid more attention.

[Simenon]

I missed why scot should have a wagon though..

Maybe you should have paid more attention.

Maybe I'm not asking for an explaination because I missed it. Maybe I'm asking because I'm not satisfied with the reasoning behind the wagon.

Then phrase it intelligently.

and then you and has are voting for me while there are tons of others not contributing as well. So yeah, no one has explained why I should have a wagon yet.

You deliberately refused to contribute

and

you were the worst of the bunch. And nothing has convinced me to move my vote.

[Simenon]

The fuzzy wagon is stupid.

[Simenon]

I had nothing to contribute on. I was going to lie and comment on something that meant nothing to me.

And now you are contributing because of the bandwagon. This is what bandwagons do.

[Simenon]

I had nothing to contribute on. I was going to lie and comment on something that meant nothing to me.

And now you are contributing because of the bandwagon. This is what bandwagons do.

And your point is? How exactly does this make me scum?

Well for one thing this argument has been less than stellar.

[Simenon]

Try again. This does not explain why you think I am scum.

Yes, it does. You were being deliberately dense, and apparently you're keeping up the act.

The fuzzy wagon likely has scum on it.

[Simenon]

Try again. This does not explain why you think I am scum.

Yes, it does. You were being deliberately dense, and apparently you're keeping up the act.

I'm not being dense at all. You go from say that the pressure on me has caused me to post more, and then when I ask you how that makes me scum, you reply with saying that the argument is less than stellar. That means absolutely nothing. How exactly does this make me dense?

A bad argument doesn't actually tell us anything about alignment. It begins to, though, when the poor argument is made on purpose. I don't think we would be having this argument if you were town, so that leaves you being a scum trying to have the argument.

[Simenon]

So scot is scum because he has a bad argument?

Read 151 over. Stop pulling a Designer Mafia.

[Simenon]

. I am liking the scot wagon best right now, because he really isn't doing a good job at proving why he is town.

1. You mentioned FaerieLord. Couldn't you say he's doing even less?
2. What should scot do to prove why he is town?
3. Why should we lynch someone for absence of that proof?

[Simenon]

2. I am not sure how he could do this. Currently it seems like he is making an argument that really isn't there, I can't well tell him, here is how you prove that you are town, he just needs to provide some reasoning that would lead people to believe that he is town, providing that he really is town.
3. If someone is not town, you should lynch them, isn't that the point of mafia, the town lynches the scum and the scum tries to get a mislynch. If he is not proving that he is town, then I believe that he really isn't town, and therefore should be lynched.

So do you believe proving yourself to be town is more important as a player than catching scum?

What? I'm trying to defend myself from the small amount of accusations made against me. You expect me as town to just sit and let people vote for me? No, I'm going to try to defend myself. I'm not arguing for you just for the sake of arguing; I'm trying to convince you and everyone else that I am town.

My problem with you is not that you are defending yourself, but that you are defending yourself with insincere arguments. I hated your reaction to the initial wagon.
But this wagon isn't going anywhere and this response is actually fine in my opinion.

Unvote
Vote Has

[Simenon]

Very much so.

[Simenon]

So scot is scum because he has a bad argument?

Read 151 over. Stop pulling a Designer Mafia.

So he's scum because you just spun a fancy little nature of argument dialectic?

No, I'm saying he was scum to me because he argument sounded like an argument scum made. Or is that no longer a legitimate reason to vote for someone anymore?

I also find it amusing that you completely avoided commenting on the fact you blatantly strawmanned me, contradicting a post I made that was *above* yours.

Why are you opposed to fuzzy?

1. I sense there are scum on the wagon.
2. He has a lot of opinions that remind me of other opinions newbies hold when they're town.
3. The arguments against him are typical arguments scum use against newbies.

I still don't see has-reasoning.

Then you need another look. I know I provided a reason for not liking has.

[Simenon]

thank you for the pompous condescension and general bullshit. You're really in your element here stark.

Nope

Reread what you just wrote and stop being a complete idiot. You're embarrassing yourself here.

Wow, you're cool with your debate team terminology.

Dickhead.

What should I comment on?

A correction would be nice. An admission of guilt or mistake. Something like "oops, Sim, you're right, what I wrote before was complete bullshit seeing as the post before me was a complete contradiction of what I just said." You know, instead of being an ass.

Uhh.. It's me and peg at last count. Thanks man. That's exactly why you're going after everyone else?

WE HAVE A DEADLINE IN SIX DAYS. *****SIX DAYS****

Un ejemplo por favor?

The whole "prove yourself to be town" thing is a big one.

[Simenon]

I'll put a case up on has tonight.

By tomorrow, everyone should be on a major wagon.

[Simenon]

1. Cow should know better than to bring up "the random voting stage", something that doesn't really exist except in the minds of newer players. This comment just seems really forced.
2. Scot's response to this was absolutely right. "are you lazy or just unobservant" was a really snide and unnecessary comment.

3. This is a terrible defense. Pointing out players who are more useless than you does not lessen the burden on you.

4.

1. Tomato is posting enough content given the circumstances.
2. In an attack, I find it more townie to omit an admission of guilt.

Maybe "silly" wasn't right. But something was off about it.

My views on the post haven't changed.

Basically, all has has (hahahaha pun) does this game is demand other players contribute and question why their are votes on him. The fact that he only does the former is the reason for the latter. It's certainly the reason for my vote.

[Simenon]

I don't think there's a true "random voting stage" either. The reason for that statement was that Haterade said he wasn't making a random vote because he finds them annoying. At the time that I asked the question, people were starting to make votes that could be considered "serious" by most people. I asked him if he had any comments now that those types of votes were being made.

This is a politician answer. The fact is that you directly abused the random vote stage concept to make a point.

Maybe it was unnecessary, but coming in to say "there's nothing to comment on" is also unnecessary.

That does not exonerate you!

How am I supposed to defend against that?

Ideally, you would say something that is actually relevant and not a deflection.

1) No content should never be enough content.

Horribly wrong.

2) Why do you find it more townie to omit an admission of guilt?

As I said later, not when it's with an "aw shucks, sorry folks" attitude. It weakens your own scumhunting just to look more townie.

WE HAVE A DEADLINE IN FOUR DAYS. *****FOUR DAYS****

[Simenon]

1. Yes.
2. No. But it's the best we've got. If we don't get a lynch today, tomorrow I will vote anybody responsible for the no lynch and vote them until they're dead.

[Simenon]

Sim, 65%?

I've never understood how vollkan's percentage system works. I'm going to say that he's in my top two suspects for this game, but I'm not really sure on anyone.

[Simenon]

Unvote Vote Fuzzy

I hate it, but we have no choice.

[Simenon]

PEOPLE TO VOTE FOR TOMORROW IF THERE IS NO LYNCH:
FL
TOMATO
FLAMEAXE
IH
COW

[Simenon]

HAHAHAHAHAHAHA

I think I get this setup, dahill ;_;

[Simenon]

HAHAHAHAHAHAHA

I think I get this setup, dahill ;_;

Um.. share?

I'm worried about forcing out role claims or giving scum tips. Give it 1-2 nights.

Crawdad's reasons for voting stark are sound. I'd prefer to

vote

for

flameaxe

, though, because he's a nonentity who needs pressure.

[Simenon]

[quote="strife"If you can't breadcrumb subtly, you shouldn't breadcrumb at all. [/quote]

It wasn't a breadcrumb at all. But next time I have any doubts about my abilities, I'll come to the guy who joined eight months ago.

[Simenon]

Sim, who's scum?

I'll get to this within five days. Please give me leave for my awful schedule.

[Simenon]

Still here. I'll get a post up by tomorrow.

[Simenon]

IH:
-Votes BBM (random)
-Votes Haterade (no reason given)
-Description of his avatar
-Description of his avatar
-Votes Fuzzy (no reason given)
-He says that my argument with cow (the one at the start of the game about "useful discussion") is not useful. This is weird for two reasons. The first being he has yet to make an attempt to even appear useful the whole game. The second is that the comment itself is not useful. Obviously cow and I were continuing with it despite realizing that it might not have a direct impact on the game.
-"Simpor, just curious, but what was the point in pointing out about my vote and unvote and such?" Not particularly useful.
-More stuff about avatars.
-He says he agrees with me, but he does not state on what he agrees with me. Presumably on my vote on scot.
-Exact same post as the one above, except he changed the name per my request.
-".....really?" I can't make sense of this, but that is the entire post.
-Votes scot (no reason)
-"I believe I'm the bandwagon guy, but I dunno." Provides what I suppose is the reason for the scot wagon. I'm not too impressed.
-Promises a more significant post.

Gurgi coming up.

[Simenon]

Lists without arguments are completely useless

Why?

[Simenon]

Simenon, as you already voted for Flameaxe (claiming that he needed to be pressured) I kind of was expecting you to post a case against him when you returned. Instead you did a pbp on IH/Gurgi.

Does the fact that Gurgi voted for you now make him scummier, in your opinion, than Flameaxe?

Short answer: I'm not finished.

[Simenon]

I've actually been satisfied with Gurgi's behavior as of late, especially his recent pressure on Crawdad, which is satisfying. I am going to get an analysis on cow later tonight (10-11 est) and then make up my mind between the two of them and flameaxe.

[Simenon]

Wait, forget has. He shouldn't be lynched today. I'll just focus on FL then.

[Simenon]

Votes Simpor (random wagon)
Daycop claim
COCKS
Clarifies that his previous comment was useless, and that the debate is also useless.
Switches to scot (no reason)
Reason: scot is a gay. (stupid gays.) (really, fuck the gays.) (i mean, who even likes them)
Asks haterade for examples for why hate doesn't like cow.
"Tomorrow, eh?" to a post Tomato made.
Approves my request for massprods
Switches to fuzzy (no reason)
Switches to scot (no reason)
"I am/I do? Why?" Because I said he is a nonentity.
Promises to post later.

Flameaxe

is

a nonentity, but as scot says, he always pulls this shit.

[Simenon]

We only have Gurgi.

Vote Gurgi

. IH was terrible, and while Gurgi is an improvement, it is not enough to merit another lynch search.

[Simenon]

Cow, vote gurgi.

[Simenon]

Finish him.

[Simenon]

http://www.quicktopic.com/42/H/XXrtP55WZyx

I was badly off this game and I apologize to my scumbuddies for it.