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[Momrangal]

Egr, heyrrr

[Momrangal]

Neuroticism 73
Extraversion 74
Openness 112
Agreeableness 90
Consientiousness 75

[Momrangal]

Found one to give percentages.


Wonder where this goes

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1. When was the first time you played mafia and do you remember if you liked it?

It was like, 2011. I played on a roleplaying site and that's where I got hooked

2. Why are you playing this current game of mafia now?

Because mafia is a drug and you always come back for it no matter what

3. What is your favorite mafia-like game now? (including games like Among Us and Secret Hitler)

I.. I got hooked on among us

4. How many people would you say you interact with offline on a typical day?

At least 3, I am a mother of two with a partner and I'm generally talking to my mom. Occasionally I'll add a few more people to the mix but usually 3

5. How many people would you say you interact with online on a typical day?

Crapton of ppl

6. How often do you tell stories?

Almost everyday, my son loves them

7. Do you think that lying is ever OK?

Situational. Santa, for example

8. Do you lie more often online than offline?

Not sure

9. How good are you at lying?

It would depend who I am lying to, I guess. It's hard to withhold information to other adults

10. Would you rather talk to someone in-person or online?

Talking in person is very taxing.


Also, I will add that I'm generally not a fan of RQS but like, you have got me geeked. I played with the MBTI couple years back. We should talk after the game

Also, truity.com

[Momrangal]

I hate personality tests

VOTE: Momrangal

You're gonna really hate me then, I love them

[Momrangal]

Knowing someones personality makes reading that slot an easier task to do. It is nothing similar to self-meta because you're allowijg others to see what you are like

[Momrangal]

The list also scores high in neurotics which means town will see red hearings where they don't exist and scum will be hyper aware of the game state, and what they are putting out.

I do think that frogster decided to do this thing before he drew his role, but the way he's moving forward with the play is pushing the game in a good direction

In a similar vein, NPOM also pushes the game in a positive direction and the only real concern I have there is his desire to be apart of a townbloc prematurely.

I'm also town reading Grendel for his stance on townblocking this early

I think Lunar Martian noticed something was off about NoPowerOverMe's post because they're super-conscious of being partners because it's new. Similar to my opinion of NoPowerOverMe's evasiveness and lack of clarity I find Lunar's description here about what he was thinking to be evasive in a way that also has a lot of potential to be AI.

You really think they, as they as scum would do this? It makes no sense to soft bus a partner this early on when they could be called on it, and forced to get into a harder stance against their partner. I think that's indicative of t/t or if they are scum, they are early on looking for ways to push what seems to be an easy target early on because of how disagreeable NPOM Is

I'm also moee than certain that NPOMS disagreeableness is NAI

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The assumptions I'm running on are that 3/3 scum are all in the low activity end, because they aren't sure how to lie yet

This actually feels like a pretty insulting assumption, and also make the assumption that everyone has the same posting opportunities in the past three days. The weekends are a time where people have a excess of time to do things, or no time to do things.

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It's also good to know that I'm not invisible

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Mongeral, Luca, and Ameile aslo fall into the same boat of sliding through early game as Trendal. Thier only content being about RQS.

Then why are you picking on just trendel?

Also, what else are you expecting? The RQS suggested by frog was a breath of fresh air but at this point the game was open for less than 24 hours. There are two potential leads out of the random stage at this point. This was your only moment to get a string of posts out, with your only post being "I will post later tonight" so...

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Not sure I could see scum defending his biggest scumreader in that nature, especially when he disagrees with the inherent nature of it

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VOTE: outworlder

[Momrangal]

I made the vote, and the baby demanded attention.

But,

VOTE: Trendall

slow game and holidays holding me up makes the game hard to read for me

I've actually had similar suspicions as those Galron has about Frogster but I was (and still am) waiting for certain things to happen before I'm ready to call him scum.

I'll join on Trendall for the time being. I feel his wagon probably pushes the game forward the most considering he seems to be active but his posting is vapid at the moment. Don't feel good about any NPOM pushes considering he's giving me a lot of VI feels.

Blatant sheep, and Subtle discredit on what is likely town must die

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Calling NPOM a village idiot subtly removes gravity from whatever push he decides to make

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VOTE: busy

I can hop on that wagon too

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VOTE: outworlder

But this works better. Pressure isn't going to work on that slot I don't think and I would rather push against someone who is more probable scum

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NPOM, amelie, and probably froggie are town in this game.

I especially like Amelie's train of thought posting. It's informative and transparent and something that is harder to fake for newbscum

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Calling NPOM a village idiot subtly removes gravity from whatever push he decides to make

So do you also find people who call other townies "townbeard" or other such terms scummy?

I'm really confused at your logic here. Especially considering that I was defending NPOM there.

One townie using that term means that they think they are town, but being manipulated by scum so no?

Calling NPOM a VI is a double edged blade. You're shading him while defending him

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Neighborhoods

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I'm also most definitely not giving this game the energy it deserves

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VOTE: NPOM

I wonder what this'll do

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Definitely part of it. I also just lost a mylo

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I wish.

I'm not sure how to feel towards you, given our history though. I don't remember the last time you tried to take a leadership position

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I don't remember exact games, but I always felt like you blended into the background especially as town

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*whistles*

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VOTE: trendall

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Has my vote landed on scum yet?

[Momrangal]

V/LA till Monday

Happy holidays pplz

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I could see any of bugs/LM/OWER being scum atm

Come do OWER with me then?

I'm still with him and trendall being my top two

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We have 6 days? Why are we compromising?

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This NPOM wagon is awful.

I agree with this, but I'm curious to why you think trendall isn't getting lynched. There are multiple people who have expressed that slot being likely scum and next to OWER.

There are also multiple slots expressing concern over OWER, but instead the consensus seems to be nerfing the loudest voice in the game. I'm not joining the NPOM wagon, and I could drop a vote on either but I would much rather drop scum over town.

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Gamma, Frog, Grendel, amelie all expressed concerns over Trendall. Should they all move their vote there, he'll be at L-2

Gamma, NPOM, bug, Grendel, Luca I recall all had things to say about OWER. All votes being moved there puts him at L-1

So...?

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Ok, I was just making sure that the claim was bs like I thought it was.

The only people that have an issue with it are those outside the block.

Who are the five people in it?

Me
Galron
Grendal
Frog
Gamma

Frog is still pushing you as scum here, but I do agree. The pushes against you are not only crappy as fuck but they are targeted at the largest voice within the block and someone who, if left alive could win us the game

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VOTE: OWER

well, ok. Your alignment should be telling after this

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Because no-one is particularly pushing the Trendall wagon, and there are three more popular wagons on the table, two of which I think are pretty obviously better eliminations. I’m perhaps biased about Bugs due to meta, but I don’t get why you’d want Trendall eliminated over Lunar who just seems objectively scummy; just popping in every now and then, steering things in a certain direction with no follow-up, no train of thought, no explanation and while repeatedly avoiding questions.

Trendall is doing the same thing, but is being smarter about it. He hasn't actually done anything worth of anything until most recently when people started giving him attention.

Lunar and bugs just don't seem to care, their play is unchanged, unaffected no matter how much people are suspecting them. How they are playing seems NAI, I would be more interested in the person who is actually being reactive to things

Gamma, Frog, Grendel, amelie all expressed concerns over Trendall. Should they all move their vote there, he'll be at L-2

Gamma, NPOM, bug, Grendel, Luca I recall all had things to say about OWER. All votes being moved there puts him at L-1

So...?

Ifs and buts. These votes aren’t magically going to happen; I could make the same case that most of these players have expressed doubts about either Bugs/Lunar, who are both a lot closer to elimination.

Ok, that is a fair point

-snip-

So you’d rather vote Outworld with your biggest SR rather than Bugs/Lunar?

What am I missing here? Why is Outworld a better elimination than Bugs/Lunar, and how do you read them?

Bugs and Lunar are playing NAI and as far as bugs goes, I'm seeing two different meta reports on him which make me further beleive his play here is NAI. OWER is scum here, and I think he is playing opportunistically. He's playing with IIOA, and not only is he not contributing to the game state (still) his only interest in the gsme seems to be throwing shade and pretending to sort people by asking people why they scum read him.

He's trying to look like he's playing a pro-town game but he isnt

I could see any of bugs/LM/OWER being scum atm

Come do OWER with me then?

I'm still with him and trendall being my top two

VOTE: OWER

well, ok. Your alignment should be telling after this

The cart coming before the horse on this kinda bugs me
Why does it feel like you are testing the waters on voting OWER, mom?

It should feel like that because I have been doing questionable things all day trying to get people react.

Like voting NPOM after saying he was town several times

But OWER is a legitimate scum read here and trendall could be playing with me here

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We have 6 days? Why are we compromising?

We have a few popular wagons, it’s time for people to make meaningful decisions. There’s no point sitting on a Trendall wagon that’s never going going anywhere, unless you or Grendel feel like really going to work on it which doesn’t seem forthcoming. Just because we have 6 days doesn’t mean we shouldn’t have a sense of urgency about what we’re doing.

This is also a fair point.

I don't see play that could be NAI as meaningful though

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Town: Frogsterking, Galron, bugspray, NoPowerOverMe
Null: OutWorldER, Lunar Martian, Trendall, AGamblingPig, Grendel,
Scum: Gamma Emerald, Luca Blight, Momrangal

I'm actually considering lifting Luca Blight because of his interactions with my scum reads being a good look but I'm going to hold off on that for a bit.

This was the last read list you have, two of your scum reads aren't on that wagon, two of your scum reads aren't even paying attention to that wagon. The third is joining in on the wagon.

So who's the scum driving this wagon?

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I think I'd like to go for Trendall or OutWorldER. Failing that, NoPower or Frog.

VOTE: Trendall

This bugs me

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Grendel officially moved back down to scum. I just don't like what I'm seeing. Feel like this is a great way to try to pocket Lunar Martian. I just don't like it.

He was at L-1 with an intended hammer.

I asked you earlier, who do you even think is the scum that was commandeering that wagon?

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Well it looks like you're both in your early 20s so scratch that theory out.

Replace chronological age with mafia age. There is an unnatural amount if irration and useage of energy trying to keep up with the newer generation of mafia

Including an irritation at you for dropping amelie down to null- maybe scum

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VOTE: Trendall

I prefer OWER over Trendall especially if Lunar is scum here. The fact that he doesn't mind OWER and Trendall but votes Trendalls smaller wagon over OWERS larger wagon at the time (by a vote or two) feels like he's trying to push a CW to a possible partner only to leave himself open to bus him towards the end to reduce the association between the two of them.

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VOTE: Lunar,

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Grendel, how do you feel about Lunar stating he doesn't mind offing OWER and Trendall yet choosing the smaller wagon betwen the two?

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You recently said you reviewed my posting and thought me town. Then soon after I moved you to my scum reads and this post followed.
Can you talk to me about how you are thinking?

That isn’t an accurate representation of the timeline
I feel like it’s hard to parse out what factors into your reads so they come across as baseless and random

Amelie is a bit disorganized but, she posts stream of thought posts in the attempt or organize and communicate her thoughts and ideas which I maintain is difficult for newer scum to do. It looks like to me that her mind is moving much faster than she is able to get down on paper and it does show that she is trying to solve a puzzle vs trying to manipulate the situation to make it look like she is solving a puzzle.

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OWER/Trendall/NPOM was always his scum team, until more started going up against OWER more.


More notably, I found this on a quick iso to double check

Based on interactions on this page I don't think that OutWorldER and Frog are both Mafia. I'm leaning towards Frog being Mafia and Out being Town.

This came after his vote, and after Frog acknowledged that I may have something here. There were multiple wagons at the time, and it feels like newbscum sticking to some scumreads to look like they are generating them early on and sticking to their reads and falling back on just one of them when others start looking more into it.

Also at this time, Trendall was popular. If two scum are in the POE pool d1 it makes sense as a survivalistic move to try and move over to a townie that's under scrutiny to save them

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Someone said earlier that bugs was a creative player. As a backup neigbor, what couldn't they come up with a better back-up fakeclaim?

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It's non-confirmable.

I would view it on the same tier as VT

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Someone said earlier that bugs was a creative player. As a backup neigbor, what couldn't they come up with a better back-up fakeclaim?

i literally crumbed it very early from the MOMENT i sniffed who might be in the hood

I think what she's implying is good for you bugs because she's implying you're telling the truth or you would have been more creative.

That's exactly what I'm implying. Based on their personality, I think the claim makes them more likely town

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I'm also not sure what you're seeing with ORAM, nor am I much of a fan of Martians why me fry me mentality

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No one here is willing to elim anyone except you and bugspray.

This isn't true, and no I'm not counter-claiming bugs here. Most wagons that have been put on the table today have had support for them, and votes moving towards them.

At the same time, I'm having a harder time convincing OWER to take off.


I would like to see a Lunar scum flip here, tbh because it brings clarity to two other slots in my opinion

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I understand that your logical so it's a tough sell but I believe the ORAM lynch has weird statistical reasons for being the optimal D1 lynch.

Ney

INFP borderline E with the S and T not as absent as it would be in most. Our intuitions lines up at some point, and clash at others but at the same time I don't see a reason that makes me want to defend them, so I may indulge you

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What's the count on ORAM

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VOTE: ORAM

L-2

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Prodded

Told mod via PM I'm V/la.

Don't know what is going on

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GAIZE I BACK

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I don't see the progression here. One of the people pushing NPOM was Momrangal herself, who gave absolutely no reasoning at all for her vote. Also, one of these 'crappy' pushes against NPOM came from Bugs, who Momrangal seemingly doesn't want to suspect or pressurize.

Y'know

You totally missed the fact that I voted NPOM when I beleived NPOM to be town

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Prodded

Told mod via PM I'm V/la.

Don't know what is going on

How much longer until your v/la is over? I was wanting to hear your thoughts on the gamestate today.

In particular your thoughts on Trendel, OutWorlder, Luca, and also thoughts surrounding EoD1.

Now, gonna take awhile to catch up but I agree with your haunch. There are bigger town fish to fry unless all the big fish are scum and I feel like a big fish so....

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@mom - why would you vote someone who you thought was town?

I'm a lonely old woman

The question you should be asking is why everyone seemed to have missed that

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@Momrangal Do you believe Amelie was the target of the night kill or ate the bullet for someone else?

Amelie was town af but she had a temperament that scum could use. She was pretty town, but it didn't seem like she could gather clout this game, nor did she really have the skills to get people to follow her.

Imo, multiple people were obvtown D1 and two of have potential to become town leaders going forward.

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I also had just came across Frogs case against Gamma, it needs over night marination but I can see sense in that stance.



In regards to trendall vs OWER, It would be a weird bussing position to take when I had clear suspicions on both slots.

At that point in time, the only reason I can think of for trendall scum jumping on after me is he either knew OWER to be scum with him and maybe clearing him on that bus

Or

To set up mislynches.

OWER wasnt getting off and there were other easier mislynches to be had. It's just overall weird

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VOTE: gamma

I think here may be where I want to venture into

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VOTE: gamma

I think here may be where I want to venture into the most .

I'm still wrapping my mind around the double chain saw, but I do think that, if Gamma is scum, then Bugs and Lunar are assuredly town. The more I think about it, the more I'm bothered by the fact that he was and is so non-chalant about there being two backup neighbors and dismissing the fact that one of them could be scum

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The list also scores high in neurotics which means town will see red hearings where they don't exist and scum will be hyper aware of the game state, and what they are putting out.

I do think that frogster decided to do this thing before he drew his role, but the way he's moving forward with the play is pushing the game in a good direction

In a similar vein, NPOM also pushes the game in a positive direction and the only real concern I have there is his desire to be apart of a townbloc prematurely.

I'm also town reading Grendel for his stance on townblocking this early

I think Lunar Martian noticed something was off about NoPowerOverMe's post because they're super-conscious of being partners because it's new. Similar to my opinion of NoPowerOverMe's evasiveness and lack of clarity I find Lunar's description here about what he was thinking to be evasive in a way that also has a lot of potential to be AI.

You really think they, as they as scum would do this? It makes no sense to soft bus a partner this early on when they could be called on it, and forced to get into a harder stance against their partner. I think that's indicative of t/t or if they are scum, they are early on looking for ways to push what seems to be an easy target early on because of how disagreeable NPOM Is

I'm also moee than certain that NPOMS disagreeableness is NAI

Not sure I could see scum defending his biggest scumreader in that nature, especially when he disagrees with the inherent nature of it

Calling NPOM a village idiot subtly removes gravity from whatever push he decides to make

NPOM, amelie, and probably froggie are town in this game.

I especially like Amelie's train of thought posting. It's informative and transparent and something that is harder to fake for newbscum

Calling NPOM a village idiot subtly removes gravity from whatever push he decides to make

So do you also find people who call other townies "townbeard" or other such terms scummy?

I'm really confused at your logic here. Especially considering that I was defending NPOM there.

One townie using that term means that they think they are town, but being manipulated by scum so no?

Calling NPOM a VI is a double edged blade. You're shading him while defending him

VOTE: NPOM

I wonder what this'll do

It was pretty early d1.

What good does this do at this stage of the game?

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I'm a motion detector with a negative on OWER.

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Why the fuck would I target OWER as scum. I'm not going to be scared of that slot possessing a power role in this game. Like I said, scum clearly have bigger fish to fry.

Conversely, the fact that OWER didn't move makes me beleive that I was wrong about my read on him.

The only plausible "guilty" that Grendel would have on my slot was that I went somewhere and it's pretty annoying that he automatically assumed scum, instead town PR and outting a PR in the process

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I want to point out that both Momrangal and Bugs hopped on the ORAM wagon, and this was how Momrangal did:

ORAM was a compromise for the promise of OWER but I all but abandoned that OWER scum read for the reasons stated

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You aren't wrong about be slowrolling since I came back from V/la but that had more to do with a billion games suddenly starting

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GG, Lunar and Luca with the clutch Elo.

Interesting setup, neat idea with the backup neighbors

Very frustrating game overall from my perspective, not just Day 4, though that was obviously fucking stupid.

We shoulda killed you N1, lol

It didn't matter in the end that you didn't get to state your clear on lunar in the end lol

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It did, ngl but town did use their powers well and grendel has the false positives in the hood.

At a glance, he had a 50/50 chance to clear people and the never dwindled with each clear. We also knew about him but not his identify which helped us be on the lookout and eventually nabbed it another investigation even though we killed the one protecting him.

It was a good game all in all

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We all played good associations, I think but in the end, this town didn't care about it because they knew deep scum clearly existed.

I wonder how much longer I could have survived if not checked and I don't think I would have survived to much longer anyway. I was surprised when one of my pockets suddenly turned on me, it was kinda jarring lol

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Also, Day one had all three scum on the elimination wagon

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Lol, tell me about it.

Here, pokemon, and alts.

Literally the first three games coming back to the site too

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I'm 50/50 on my completed games actually.

Shady, Mizzys normal, secret jesters

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I've decided.

If we roll scum together one more time, the mafia gods must have already decided that we are to be partners forever

[Momrangal]

And now my 4th scum game had just finished.

Any more scum roles and I may just peace out