TM2021 | Anime Destroys Untrod Tripod | Endgame

[Mistyx]

that's possible, strongman could be designed to be low value or a red herring, you could be a scum JK and it exists to give credit to your claim, etc

[Thestatusquo]

Did anyone came up with good explanation for a strongman, if there is only 2 shots of doc? Or even if there one shot of doc, if FL is scum too as some people claims

People keep talking about this as if its a powerful strongman. It's one shot.

[Ramcius]

So, I'm your scumbuddy now? FL must be town to support this

Also, I love, when people bring most ridiculous ideas just to support heir theories in mafia instead of accepting obvious things that doesn't fit their ideas

P-edit: how many shots do you need in 13p game?

[Pine]

1-shot Strongman is always designed to defeat PRs recognizing and protecting one another. You do it to take the important shot when you need it.

2 1-shot docs don’t cover it, and frankly the insistence that it’s a red herring instead of employing Occam’s Razor is baffling.

Besides, if I’m a scum JK here I claim 1-shot JK, 1-shot Bodyguard, 1-shot Roleblock. Maybe Alien or Rolestop. I dunno. I never claim ungated unless it’s the truth.

[Nancy Drew 39]

I'll be honest, I'm really paranoid of TSQ/FL team here, FL doing 180 on me and not voting TSQ, while talking me/TSQ and Norwee TSQ teams

My team is re-acessing. A Pine/FL team makes absolutely no sense with DEB’s role.

[Nancy Drew 39]

I'll be honest, I'm really paranoid of TSQ/FL team here, FL doing 180 on me and not voting TSQ, while talking me/TSQ and Norwee TSQ teams

My team is re-acessing. A Pine/FL team makes absolutely no sense with DEB’s role.

Which would likely mean one scum amongst the vt claims.

I’m starting to buy into Pine’s earnestness now that he’s explained his plan. If Shea flips scum and he jk’s Norwee and no kill happens, it could possibly break the game wide open.

I don’t think I want Pine limmed today.

[Nancy Drew 39]

I'll be honest, I'm really paranoid of TSQ/FL team here, FL doing 180 on me and not voting TSQ, while talking me/TSQ and Norwee TSQ teams

My team is re-acessing. A Pine/FL team makes absolutely no sense with DEB’s role.

Which would likely mean AT LEAST one scum amongst the vt claims.

I’m starting to buy into Pine’s earnestness now that he’s explained his plan. If Shea flips scum and he jk’s Norwee and no kill happens, it could possibly break the game wide open.

I don’t think I want Pine limmed today.

[Nancy Drew 39]

that's possible, strongman could be designed to be low value or a red herring, you could be a scum JK and it exists to give credit to your claim, etc

FL/Pine scumteam doesn’t make sense mech wise, so possibly safest elim is in one of the scummier vt slots.

[Ramcius]

I'll be honest, I'm really paranoid of TSQ/FL team here, FL doing 180 on me and not voting TSQ, while talking me/TSQ and Norwee TSQ teams

My team is re-acessing. A Pine/FL team makes absolutely no sense with DEB’s role.

Finally someone is reasonable, I had lost hope after saying this repeatedly for days

[Nancy Drew 39]

I'll be honest, I'm really paranoid of TSQ/FL team here, FL doing 180 on me and not voting TSQ, while talking me/TSQ and Norwee TSQ teams

My team is re-acessing. A Pine/FL team makes absolutely no sense with DEB’s role.

Finally someone is reasonable, I had lost hope after saying this repeatedly for days

All of the over the top AtE and toxicity made it virtually impossible for me to think clearly and it made me want to completely ignore whatever FL was saying, then Pine didn’t help with the earlier “butthurt” comments because I would definitely hate to ever lose again to scum who played like Bunno in Dung Beetle 2.

So, now that FL is no longer being mean to me and my synapses have recovered, I’m seeing things a lot more clearly.

I have much > better than average reads FL fyi, when I’m actually able to focus and think clearly. Upsetting me is really never a good idea unless it’s pro your wincon for me to play like a vegetable.

[NorwegianboyEE]

I'll be honest, I'm really paranoid of TSQ/FL team here, FL doing 180 on me and not voting TSQ, while talking me/TSQ and Norwee TSQ teams

My team is re-acessing. A Pine/FL team makes absolutely no sense with DEB’s role.

Which would likely mean one scum amongst the vt claims.

I’m starting to buy into Pine’s earnestness now that he’s explained his plan. If Shea flips scum and he jk’s Norwee and no kill happens, it could possibly break the game wide open.

I don’t think I want Pine limmed today.

I don't see how that breaks the game open at all. It involves TSQ flipping scum
if TSQ flips town then what happens?
The only game-breaking part of that plan is where someone flips scum. We achieve that by flipping Pine
We're also still pushing a Pine/Ram scumteam because JJ believes FL is town. In fact, we have been doing that for most of this game day.

[NorwegianboyEE]

FL/Pine scumteam doesn’t make sense mech wise, so possibly safest elim is in one of the scummier vt slots.

Who are these scummier VT slots according to you? I also don't see how FL/Pine team not making sense means that Pine's claim is somehow made legitimate, because it is not.

[Nancy Drew 39]

I don’t think Ram is scum here. And I think a vt elim is more protown than eliming Pine. I think you’re realizing that a Pine/FL scumteam makes no sense mech wise with DEB flip, so you’re now pushing Ram.

[NorwegianboyEE]

I think you’re realizing that a Pine/FL scumteam makes no sense mech wise with DEB flip, so you’re now pushing Ram.

No i've said that FL is likely town and Ramcius is a more likely teammate for a while. This is not a recent development.

[NorwegianboyEE]

I have been strongly fighting against any elimination that is not in me/Pine today, so to say i'm going to push Ramcius is a misunderstanding of my mindset. I simply want Pine eliminated for his fake claim, so if that is impossible because i have not enough town credit then i simply ask that you eliminate me, and once i'm proved town get rid of Pine.
Ramcius is simply the slot that should be eliminated after Pine flips scum, not at any other point. My vote has and will always be Pine for reasons i've described.

[Nancy Drew 39]

FL/Pine scumteam doesn’t make sense mech wise, so possibly safest elim is in one of the scummier vt slots.

Who are these scummier VT slots according to you? I also don't see how FL/Pine team not making sense means that Pine's claim is somehow made legitimate, because it is not.

If one of you/Shea flips scum and Pine roleblocks the other - considering the fact that both of you claimed vt, how does this hurt us, especially since FL has committed to being leashed on doccing Akarin?

Basically, if anyone dies, then he’s probably scum and Ram being opposed to this is likely protown because with you jk’d and FL on Akarin, you’d be lockcleared if an NK happens, so why are you so opposed to this plan?

[Nancy Drew 39]

I have been strongly fighting against any elimination that is not in me/Pine today, so to say i'm going to push Ramcius is a misunderstanding of my mindset. I simply want Pine eliminated for his fake claim, so if that is impossible because i have not enough town credit then i simply ask that you eliminate me, and once i'm proved town get rid of Pine.
Ramcius is simply the slot that should be eliminated after Pine flips scum, not at any other point. My vote has and will always be Pine for reasons i've described.

If you’re town and Pine claims he will jk you, then you’re mech cleared in the case of an NK, so why would you be opposed to that?

[Ramcius]

FL/Pine scumteam doesn’t make sense mech wise, so possibly safest elim is in one of the scummier vt slots.

Who are these scummier VT slots according to you? I also don't see how FL/Pine team not making sense means that Pine's claim is somehow made legitimate, because it is not.

If one of you/Shea flips scum and Pine roleblocks the other - considering the fact that both of you claimed vt, how does this hurt us, especially since FL has committed to being leashed on doccing Akarin?

Basically, if anyone dies, then he’s probably scum and Ram being opposed to this is likely protown because with you jk’d and FL on Akarin, you’d be lockcleared if an NK happens, so why are you so opposed to this plan?

Why scum is opposed to a plan that would lose game for them?

Thing with Pine is that even if TSQ flips green, Pine has no one to push - if he tries to pin me or FL with Norwee, he's getting elim'ed. He's TRing me and FL too hard to do 180 and be fine

[NorwegianboyEE]

If one of you/Shea flips scum and Pine roleblocks the other - considering the fact that both of you claimed vt, how does this hurt us, especially since FL has committed to being leashed on doccing Akarin?

Basically, if anyone dies, then he’s probably scum and Ram being opposed to this is likely protown because with you jk’d and FL on Akarin, you’d be lockcleared if an NK happens, so why are you so opposed to this plan?

I'm opposed to the plan because it does not end up in scum getting eliminated today. TSQ is simply getting led up for an elimination as a proxy for me because scum!Pine couldn't garner enough support for my elimination. The case against TSQ is very weak by itself and i fail to see how he is likely scum with anyone in the game so far. He certainly does not fit as scum with Pine, whom has fake claimed his role as you might remember.

I mean, your argument doesn't make Pine any less likely to be the scum. And if we flip town!TSQ or town!Norwe that is playing right into scum's hands no matter what, and if we flip scum that is positive no matter what.
There is nothing net positive for this plan if we don't flip someone as scum.

[NorwegianboyEE]

I have been strongly fighting against any elimination that is not in me/Pine today, so to say i'm going to push Ramcius is a misunderstanding of my mindset. I simply want Pine eliminated for his fake claim, so if that is impossible because i have not enough town credit then i simply ask that you eliminate me, and once i'm proved town get rid of Pine.
Ramcius is simply the slot that should be eliminated after Pine flips scum, not at any other point. My vote has and will always be Pine for reasons i've described.

If you’re town and Pine claims he will jk you, then you’re mech cleared in the case of an NK, so why would you be opposed to that?

Let's say we flip town!TSQ.
Misty dies in the night, Pine says he jailkept me, FL says he doctored akarin
Where are we now.
Pine probably just argues that the second scum that was not Norwe made the kill and it doesn't prove anything.

[NorwegianboyEE]

The plan relies on flipping scum, and TSQ is not scum.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Ramcius might be scum. If someone is gonna be flipped for this plan I would almost be willing to consider Ramcius. But I'm not. Because Pine is just scum here, and this is a plan that was suggested by scum who have more info than us.

[NorwegianboyEE]

This is precisely why Jailkeeper was such a good fake claim for Pine, because even though we caught him out for lying. He can still keep himself afloat by arguing that he will be of such an great asset to town alive if his claim is true, even though it is not and it will in reality not be helpful at all because if we flip town today then he can argue that his JK shot couldn't clear anyone because there are still 2 scum alive.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Nancy i strongly implore you to not lose the game for us and vote Pine here. We are this close and this will screw us if you start believing Pine's fake claim. He is by all means, super scummy. But his claim is keeping him alive. You've got to learn to see past that.

[Ramcius]

The plan relies on flipping scum, and TSQ is not scum.

What makes TSQ not scum?