TM 2021: A normal roguelike

[Augustus Caesar]

Ruminating about what Ari is keeps me up at night. I've extensively gone over all of his scumgames in the last 2 years, aaaand... I have a question:

Do you fake annoyance or anger as scum, Ari?

[Ydrasse]

yet again the lonely hectic posts to an empty room.....

[Ydrasse]

its ok, im here now, you dont have to be on your own anymore...

[Ydrasse]

have you found any scum buddy?

[Augustus Caesar]

All around me are familiar faces, worn-out places, worn-out faces...

Look, I really want to win this game, okay. I should probably summarise my findings from the meta-dive:
-Ari doesn't do much solving as scum
-Ari solves as town
-Ari rarely gets annoyed or shows much frustration as scum
-Ari sometimes gets annoyed as town
-I've never seen Ari snap at something the way he did in 1499, as either alignment
-The way he responded to Reck about wanting to elim/dayvig him is also out of character for him as both alignments

[Augustus Caesar]

Oh, I wasn't supposed to post that until Ari answered my question, I remember now

SIGH

grumble grumble

Ydrasse, are you trying to throw the game here?

[Ydrasse]

yes, it was a diversion tactic to get you to forget that

gg ez win

[Augustus Caesar]

OPENWOLFING

[Adorable]

Hope you guys actually read my dive on Ari lol

Any thoughts would be nice

I read your dive on Ari and it was really hard for me to follow along and understand on what you were saying. In a world if Ari is scum does he defend me on day 1? I find this really hard to believe scum would defend me on day 1.

[Aristophanes]

It's really not

that simple

and its annoying that we're at this point.

I haven't gone into Hectic yet because like, after work yesterday I literally went straight to bed and today was work again. If I have a chance I'll do it but if I eat the hammer so be it.

I like Hectic's dive on me there which is fucking problematic for my reads this game and I honestly don't know who the deepwolf is but there is one because the game PoE of Ari/Creature/Reck might have 1 scum but I'm honestly doubting my Reck read and like, I just think we're wrong and scum are going to have a cakewalk to victory even with an obvtown pr and a mason hiding still.

Lile, did bulge make that as a fakeclaim knowing the setup? Prolly not but it's possible. I don't think that's the direction we want to go but its bugging me that its a possibility.

I'm VT ftr. Tho I assume y'all expected that from me atp.

I'm not scum.

Readslist off the top of my head is:
Town: Bulge, DV, Adorable
Towny: Ydrasse, Creature
Null: xof
Scummy:
Scum:
Goddamned conflicted: Reck, Hectic

Like it's not helpful but there you go.

These parts of this post rubbed me the wrong way because it feels

presented

, if you know what I mean. less so for the second statement, but especially the first. like is it natural for that to be how ari starts his first post in response to my massive case/dive on him? it feels like unnatural to me. it was on my mind and i wasn't sure whether i could articulate it, but this was my best attempt at it

That was a direct response to a post 2 above mine where Ydrasse said the game looked "THAT SIMPLE"

Come on.

this is without going in depth into his posting more but like... it felt so out of place i guess? like, there are a few other people in the pool with you but i guess its not Enough for ari to survive longterm through, esp if his partner is also in the poe?

which in case the game really is That Simple (and im leaning towards it being that simple at this point)

[Aristophanes]

Ruminating about what Ari is keeps me up at night. I've extensively gone over all of his scumgames in the last 2 years, aaaand... I have a question:

Do you fake annoyance or anger as scum, Ari?

I really don't think so tbh, no. I try to be genuine in all games.

Didn't I already get asked that?

[Augustus Caesar]

2334: ah, okay

2335: do you think you'd make an exception for team mafia?

[Augustus Caesar]

Hope you guys actually read my dive on Ari lol

Any thoughts would be nice

I read your dive on Ari and it was really hard for me to follow along and understand on what you were saying. In a world if Ari is scum does he defend me on day 1? I find this really hard to believe scum would defend me on day 1.

I think it's very easy for scum to defend you day 1, either to earn your trust or because that's the stance they simply chose to take on you. I don't think it's something that should let you affect your reads too much either way

[Aristophanes]

2334: ah, okay

2335: do you think you'd make an exception for team mafia?

Nah. I sound fake enough when I am genuine. If I were to fake it I'd be eliminated like, immediately. It's just not in the cards for me sadly/luckily

[xRECKONERx]

D&D ran long today, sorry -- I will have time tomorrow to review Hectic's posts on Ari. And everything else.
Also Ari please answer my last question if you haven't yet

[Aristophanes]

I'm honestly doubting my Reck read

which Reck read is that

The scumread I keep going back to. Iunno. I'm conflicted on you as noted in my readslist but team says town and thus I guess you're town.

I have posts from them now and will get them here but apparently I have a surprise dnd sesh myself so it may be tomorrow now

[Ydrasse]

ariiiiiiii please god come post Soon AHHHHH

how do you feel about the bulge now? because uh, i'm looking back over that case and it feels even worse in retrospect, 1726 and 1729, and i know i already asked you about these but i can't get over how you like... presented them?

it feels like you really had decided from the start that you were just going to scumread bulge, like. there's nothing in there at all that suggests i guess that you made a natural effort to read him accepting the fact that he might be town. and then like... is it really just the claim that made you think that he's that towny in your most recent reads list? even despite the fact that it might be a fakeclaim given scum know the roles of the setup?

like, i guess i just want to understand... is it really just that that made you roll over on it? this is a setup where mafia are inherently going to have (or should ...) better fakeclaims i think so like... was there no paranoia there at all? what went through your head when you saw what bulge claimed?

[Ydrasse]

Coool not Limming Bulge then. Sorry we made you out.

I might have been confbiased when I wrote my case but honestly as scum I'd have probably just LOLhammered there.

I can address direct things if anyone wants but I mean, apparently I was wrong despite what I thought was a lot of evidence for Scum!Bulge.

I saw both my reason for finding a lot of scummy points and my timing for making the posts both come into question here and well, for the former I really don't see how that would help me as scum. Make a big series of posts calling him scum just to have him flip town? Why!?
Timing was because of motivation and general busyness. I knew the deadline was approaching so I sat down and did what I had to do. I don't see why there would be an issue with that.

^ like you just hard scumcased bulge and then this is your next post when you return towards the bulge and you're super nonchalant about the bulge being town and accept it at face value from what i see

[Isis]

Votecount 3.3

• Augustus
  Caesar (He/Him)
  (0)
  
• Aristophanes (He/Him)
  (3) xRECKONERx, xofelf, Ydrasse
  
• Ydrasse
  (She/Her)
  (0)
  
• Creature (He/Him)
  (1) Adorable,
  
• xofelf (They/Them)
  (1) Creature
  
• DeasVail (He/Him)
  (0)
  
• The
  Bulge (Any/Any)
  (0)
  
• Adorable (She/Her)
  (0)
  
• xRECKONERx (He/Him)
  (0)

Not Voting (4): Aristophanes, DeasVail, The Bulge, Augustus Caesar,
With nine alive, it takes five votes to make a decision.
(expired on 2021-03-02 05:00:00)

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[DeasVail]

VOTE: Creature

I think this is where I will go.

I wish I had logical/sensible things to say and maybe if I have more energy later I will but the gist of it is that from a glance over Reck, Ari and Creature, I feel most comfortable with Creature as scum. I think my thoughts are similar to Hectic in that they're all over the place but idk in reading again there's just this sense I get that Creature's posting seems the least "real" of the three. Even the most recent block of "why can't it be adorable + xofelf?" and "not sure if Ari flips scum" is clearly just so at odds with the current gamestate and there's just no sense that Creature actually cares about the fact. I'm at the point where I have less belief in why I've previously townread Creature and I'm thinking hey, maybe I was right when I thought that Creature was scum.

I am by no means sure that Ari is town, or that Reck is town, but there are still things there that give me pause and so I would like Creature to be the way for today

(I know the post isn't very convincing, particularly as an anti-Ari wagon post but I haven't been able to form words about it that make total sense yet)

[Creature]

My mislynch won't change shit tomorrow though

[Creature]

It's gonna be the same Hectic shielding Ydrasse and Reck shielding xofelf

[Creature]

petapan died during the night. He was a

Vanilla Townie.

Like, this nightkill heavily suggests there's at least one scum member familiar with petapan.

[Augustus Caesar]

Ah, let's get settled in to another day of Hectic mostly talking to Augustus Caesar. I'm looking forward to it.

Hey, Deas, Bulge:

Okay I know that eliminating me at this point seems like a foregone conclusion for some but I will prove myself as town somehow in the coming days. I don’t know how that’ll be but I want to be a slot that is widely townread and an easy exclusion from poe. Not whatever this is.

we're solving this game today people, we're in a fantastic position for it. keep an eye out for thread momentum crashers. I need to read read read this weekend but I'm gonna try to be here as often as I can promoting workflow but at this pace apathy will be our undoing almost certainly

The purpose of me bringing up these quotes isn't to shade, but to remind you of that earlier WIM and PROMISE you two believed in. We can solve this today, let's just put the work in.

[Augustus Caesar]

2334: ah, okay

2335: do you think you'd make an exception for team mafia?

Nah. I sound fake enough when I am genuine. If I were to fake it I'd be eliminated like, immediately. It's just not in the cards for me sadly/luckily

So I read this and am met with an immediate pang of paranoia, but then I think this is exactly what Ari is gonna tell me if scum here, so I really shouldn't let this change my mind at all. He is right though, I don't really see this from him as scum. However, I don't see some of the over the top anger/frustration in this game from you as town either, Ari. Does a game came to mind where you flipped out/got mad as town over small things?

Also, that team summary would be really nice when you have it.