Open 806: JK9++ (Game Over!)

[Isis]

yeah I believe that's a sarcasm questionmark. I don't know if sarcasm is the precise word it's a rhetorical instrument that's not a question

i think i never answered his question, the reason you would hypoclaim as claimed slot instead of hardclaiming 1 target is you can spread it over 8 slots so that scum can't shoot the person you're tracking for double value, removing both a townie and player who would have been tracked to clear either S_S or the trackee's slot.

[Isis]

I'm pretty happy to compromise on Aaron, I need a VC

I read a bunch of pages and didn't feel like commenting, I don't know if it's me being tired or them really being pretty empty

[Isis]

VOTE: aaronfrosr

[Isis]

S S stop acting like outed scum

[Isis]

Like is that a 1day 19 hour post to you

[Isis]

I guess you is s s tho

[Isis]

he posted IIoA so he must die

[Isis]

IIoA is one of my least favorite buzzwords.

Can you link to the offending post(s)?

we're not friends now

[Isis]

implosion seems more like he has teammates kinda

[Isis]

vote me it will feel good like margarine

[Isis]

petapan this is your homesite :angry piplup:

[Isis]

petapan is town

[Isis]

bcause even if aaron is town this is a v real scumcase

And petapan looks so bad here if this flips town if peta is scum

[Isis]

i don't want to explain your pt membership to you that much tho skitteR

[Isis]

skitter you will have to NK me you won't be able to play around me

[Isis]

I am scum whiteknighting S_S I still think the feelings thing is real, even if (especially if) S_S doesn't understand it

[Isis]

i am drunk so i am gonna post some selfies

[Isis]

[Isis]

[Isis]

[Isis]

don't vote S_S he rolled town

[Isis]

he is playing the S_S towngame that actually looks precisely like everyone else's scumgame thingy

[Isis]

and he tried to break my defense based on framement but the framiment itself is still relevant

[Isis]

i don't think S_S knows how to do any of this as scum

[Isis]

y is pooky here

[Isis]

i haven't read up from my last posts
do you know i'm town yet

[Isis]

just one more game i can gloat about you mis-reading me hehe :3

tend to feel like these posts are unhealthy because they reference postgame and are using incentives outside the boundary of the game

"town won't trust you d2 when you're wrong on this" would be fine

[Isis]

I read up

I think Pooky's play is somewhat town indicative for reasons that are kind of gutty. Maybe I'll look back and quote a little thing.

I think the timing of the rep-out and combining it with AFF's play makes it a very scummy slot and still scummier than null.

Would be ok limming Pooky. Would maybe be ok limming implo and maybe ought to have a stronger opinion about it. Would be ok limming NM.

i think the way deadline falls i will be able to read and naked vote at work and not much else.

[Isis]

VOTE: PookyTheMagicalBear
==[]

[Isis]

Oooh schiavetto is voting implo that's shiny

[Isis]

But pooky is a claimed slot. Hmmmm

[Isis]

Pooky how will you convince me?

[Isis]

how do you know i'm not scum who gets to pick with no bearing on my perfect read rate?

[Isis]

Is that why you don't want to lim SS? Cos you trust me?

[Isis]

VOTE: NM

[Isis]

VOTE: Pooky

[Isis]

i don't believe you ever post that to me as town

[Isis]

you are never that mean to me so you would need your meanness subsidized at least a lil by being scum this game

[Isis]

if you flipped town I would be SHATTERED

but i know that you will not

[Isis]

thank you for ploaying with me pooky

[Isis]

Pooky is hard lolcatting and antispewing just hammer before the earwigs get too deep in your brain

[Isis]

It might get me to unvote and it might be persona-based enough he just kinda turns to you and sticks with it.

[Isis]

Toxic

[Isis]

2273 is the only post I found toxic really

[Isis]

I fail to see what was toxic about 2273

Either you didn't mean the post as an insult at all, or you did and know it's crafted with a sort of passive aggression and measured sadism that makes it ostensibly beyond reproach but exceedingly nasty. I don't really know which of these two it is, it's a huge gap.

[Isis]

[Isis]

Why can't people mislim eachother in mafia games without making lifelong enemies

[Isis]

No I think it's probably even worse being part of it it's just depressing

[Isis]

It was more at peta tbh implying a blacklist

[Isis]

I was pretty interested in voting implo but interpreting NM's voting behavior as making reads instead of subverting town consensus to do NM things seemed like such a weird take that assumed a NM role PM peek a bunch

Ped: peta implied he was blacklisting you, so that was kind of who I was @ing mostly

[Isis]

But I mean from his side some of what you said might've been mean iunno

[Isis]

I'm p glad to lose my perfect read record altho I don't know if I even spent more time reading pooky posts this game compared to the marathon I misread you too so..

[Isis]

Pooky how on this flowery earth do you know NM's alignment

[Isis]

Like lol hammering is his gimmick both alignments but I can see all sorts of poetic reasons for him to pass on it as scum here

[Isis]

Ok well I will like. Probably flip implo. And if that's a 100% read thing then this should be 1-1 and a good start

[Isis]

I also scumread skidder but you only offered me implo and ic

[Isis]

He's not town

[Isis]

Pooky does it make you feel better to know I feel very shitty

[Isis]

I guess probably not

[Isis]

If I kill ico and BoP datisi that could be the whole scumteam

[Isis]

-hug

[Isis]

sry we are not eliminating cute pokemon avvie we are out here cherishing cute imba pokemon

the roleblock is 1 shot like the mafia have kind of committed a long term plan for how S_S's slot is characterized that they can't sustain, the punish to that is to not lim S_S immediately, like whether he's town or scum.

[Isis]

I feel like skitteR and Mena as scum know better than to play mafia with Churros indefinitely lel

[Isis]

bcause even if aaron is town this is a v real scumcase

And petapan looks so bad here if this flips town if peta is scum

isis does this read still hold?

~ skitteR

yes this is true

i haven't found anything about peta scummy this game. I don't even have a little bit of kindling for being paranoid of his skill at mafia

[Isis]

let me OMGUS

does this mean you dislike me providing more objectively acceptable reasons for a vote you want to indulgently make emotionally

[Isis]

skitteR i do not agree with you that the Aaron push was bad, as is a pattern with people who did not get the alignment portion of his role PM at the start of the game before he started doing flavored water play

ok that metaphor doesn't work in SK games
fuck SK games

[Isis]

skitteR don't remind me that you forsaked your Africa avatar

[Isis]

bcos u don't know who the scum r peta

[Isis]

VOTE: implosion[/b]

[Isis]

VOTE: vote implosion /vote[/b]

[Isis]

ok i'm actually reading up now

VOTE: BridgeBurners

There was no scum kill? But wasn't there two kills? And isn't there no guarantee of SK? i'm confused but pengu say "why don't people care about missing kills" and everyone is asking like kills are indeed missing

[Isis]

I guess I just read the lim and the NK back to back and perceived it as a red and green death for the night
Still isn't there like a 20% chance of no SK?

[Isis]

I'm frustrated for the 9th time that the setup isn't provided in thread

also if i was modding and someone whined like that i'd probably feel unable to interact with unbolded shit but also regretful and very irked so sorry cakez. ig

[Isis]

the odds of a serial killer is bounded by 40-60%, don't want to actually calculate coin flip distributions.
The odds of no vig is .9^7*0.5, 23%
77%*50% = ~38% chance that no one besides mafia is even trying to kill anybody anyways.

slightly lower i messed up how double K ensures vig, maybe like 33%
i think a bunch of you are SKslipping
i still want 2 redflips before I SKhunt tho

[Isis]

i think my cat pooped somewhere

[Isis]

Nice pagetop

I've thought a lot about this and i think you should change your pfp to Snubbull. Lmk what you think

Not_Mafia loves his avatar so much he thinks it should be illegal for other users not to use it.
You should keep your avatar, btw, though, Schi.

[Isis]

I voted Bridgeburners because Infinity slowpoked my

exact

scumread on them in his own words like 30 pages after i did and then the rest of the scumteam told him he's being dumb (i guess maybe there's not rest of the scumteam but whatever i think it justifies feeling even better about the read)

[Isis]

Ok

I feel like anytime it's above twenty and below 80 we should be asking "why is 'nobody cares enough about the missing kill' supposed to be a thing?"

[Isis]

I guess I just read the lim and the NK back to back and perceived it as a red and green death for the night
Still isn't there like a 20% chance of no SK?

I don’t understand your point, Isis.

My point is the number of kills for the night is pretty much meaningless and the discourse reaching "no kill" from S_S is stupid!

The only number of kills that would have had any meaning is 3, as it would have told us we're in the SK-vig setup exactly. Anything else is an ambiguous mix of different setup rands and kill prevention (and almost certainly not "no killing" since the scum would realize "only number of kills that would have any meaning is 3"

[Isis]

I think I've alignment diverged this game

Not sure when

probably proxy reading sec hyd

that would be such a pain to do as town

[Isis]

i'm proxy readin sec hyd with unconfirmed town over the opinion of confirmed town at this juncture

do bears become ghosts when they die

[Isis]

im drunk ama

[Isis]

furious

[Isis]

but here is the better question infinity

[Isis]

would you be ok with yourself?

[Isis]

is pepsi ok infinity

[Isis]

is it actually ok

[Isis]

PP YOUR CALL WILL BE ANSWERED IN THE ORDER IT WAS RECEIVED

[Isis]

私は村です

[Isis]

infinity
it is one thing to not vote a hydra
it is one thing to not vote scum
it's a different thing to not vote a scum hydra

[Isis]

scoutface partypooper

[Isis]

he used xtremely basic sentence structure that is pretty hard for google translate to fuck up but 2249 says I am village is the important part

but hopefully google translate did something weird like pueblo or trading post

or maybe "cliche settlement the protagonist grew up in that will be destroyed by fire in the prologue"

[Isis]

it's a game moderator rule that pops up like 23% of the time idk if cakez uses it

[Isis]

google translate won't help me with voice quotes from Puzzles and Dragons that aren't available in any resource anyone knows of

[Isis]

cause there's no captions

[Isis]

That's identical? I fed in "I am village" The only difference is the article "a", which is one of those little gorilla glue syntactical things that varies slightly between languages, you shouldn't be surprised to see that popping in and out.

[Isis]

La esposa de PenguinPower es japonesa.

Para decir claro: PenguinPower tiene aniversario con una persona japonesa.

[Isis]

iioa != scum

get out

[Isis]

bridgeburners tmi townreading such a watery slot after it's flipped for pages and pages is absurd. it's absurd bridgeburners isn't hammered

[Isis]

datisi is not very towny which makes this game way harder

[Isis]

i like actively feel like peta is town this game. when he has bested me in marathons it's been because of him doing things that make me not want to vote him rc style rather than him being towny

[Isis]

aaron

[Isis]

you won't tell me who else is in your scum PT and it's hurtful towards me.

[Isis]

off the top of my head, bridgeburners has:

Mena having this weird PR conversation in the PT that sounded like it actually happened in a mafia pt
scum indicative hydra dissonance, with Mena overriding skitter's decision to unvote me because they had a conversation about how convenient it is to push me, which can change based on post's Mena sees that skitter hasn't seen yet, instead of a conversation about me being town, which changes less (iirc I didn't have that many posts, and also skitter has a better record for reading me)
Really awful voting record all game that's a little BoPish
Awful push on peta and in hindsight vanity wagoning peta while town picked between dueling town wagons is a xanatos gambit, if implo is town and S_S is town, which is exceedingly possible. Extra exceedingly possible if implo or S_S are just SK so it works the same from BB perspective
skitter feeling like she's playing around me instead of playing against me, all game, which is kind of just a vibe.

and, the single most important thing and maybe the most AI thing to happen all game is the weird delayed omgus thing Menalque did that Infinity highlighted. That is on its own a strong case for a lim.

[Isis]

2 pedits

[Isis]

The way peta is pointing out that he did pre-role PM reads that are being called fake and how that's a bulletproof defense and BB giving no ground is just, super weird, and it's like BB cares way way too much about showing no weakness or having any vulnerability.

There's like this total lack of empathy. If you ever read a game before repping in, and get an analysis based read that's harder to develop if you have a scum role PM, why would you ever not post it? You'd always post it. It's either a solve, or it's the best fake townspew you could possibly have available. You'd have to posit that petapan didn't actually read pre-repin, which BB has never actually posited. In fact BB never really directly engages with peta's point and talks past him over and over again and talkpast is extremely scumindicative for my conception of skitter (and most of the time it will just win her the game anyway)

[Isis]

Mena is the townier head by far if i like put my thumb over the really really damning delayed omgus post

[Isis]

infinity tell me the scummiest post in my iso

[Isis]

churros and I are masons

[Isis]

I vaguely remember skimming a newbie a year ago or something and thinking Schiavetto's play looked soft so that's amplifying the read. I don't think I'm unjustified for townbinning Schiavetto off the post anyway, in a vacuum, though. Some of the runners up had minor scumpings offsetting the things I liked about them which might rig things in Schiavetto's favor for having fewer posts but cest la vie

Off the top of my head, this one

I feel like even in a towngame i should have something scummier

are you sorting me

[Isis]

o.k. skidder

what about this one

[Isis]

I vaguely remember skimming a newbie a year ago or something and thinking Schiavetto's play looked soft so that's amplifying the read. I don't think I'm unjustified for townbinning Schiavetto off the post anyway, in a vacuum, though. Some of the runners up had minor scumpings offsetting the things I liked about them which might rig things in Schiavetto's favor for having fewer posts but cest la vie

Off the top of my head, this one

I feel like even in a towngame i should have something scummier

are you sorting me

Isis if you disagree with me that kinda proves my point. It's a post you'd make as scum to get townread because there's so much isis brain stuff in it that normally stays in your brain

ooooooh
i like this

[Isis]

i'm fascinated that i have played weird this game

[Isis]

idr what i'm supposed to respond to skitter about

i have townread her last few posts and want to wait until i'm more mad about her slot to engage again

i wanna feeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeel something

[Isis]

i rlly love u on this deep level and it's hard for me to process
cause i hate mena at the same time

it's a strggle

ISIS USED STRUGGLE

[Isis]

i have not consumed alcohol (yet) this evening

[Isis]

i don't really like implo's penguin push because it mostly just feels like, if you use calibrations that read PP like rgular players he sorts scum this game, which is like duh. 2714 feels like townpp

[Isis]

you want to vote me even though you don't think i am scum
it's a tragic story
as old as time

[Isis]

it could still be datisi sechyd

[Isis]

acknowledging the meta shift seems like an analysis pp wouldn't do as scum

pp is potshottier as scum

he probably begrudges giving something resembling a compliment as town. as scum it'd be a bridge too far
that's what i figure

i wish his scumread on me made sense but i think he's always like that

[Isis]

ok again skitter like what was that towngame we played where you were like "isis is my favorite town levelheaded player and her solves are good" i don't get why being befuddled by my play would make you scumread me

i believe you want to vote me but not scumread me, actually

[Isis]

you probably did say that an I missed it

[Isis]

i mean i can't get excited about engaging with you when the single scummiest thing about your slot is a mena thing so when i get to that part it's like "oh, she doesn't remember, and that's plausible, sad"

[Isis]

i am going to eat chicken wings

and play hearthstone
and drink vodka

when i have finished doing thses things
i will engage your wallpost

i o u

[Isis]

skitter do u still like ur new job

[Isis]

it shouldnt be new anymore

[Isis]

- we have a very large hydra pt that is where the vig discussion happened (kinda died over the past couple of days since mean disappeared, but eh). i'm not sure why you think it's more likely that that convo happened in a mafia pt over a hydra pt, esp. since the consensus seems to be that there isn't daytalk ...

- mena didn't always run all the votes by me, this is true, but i'm not sure why this is scum-indicative and not indictive of mena being impulsive. after people complained i have tried to make a conscious effort to at least by un-dissonant on actual votes (well until today when mena hasn't been around at all and i wouldn't be voting at all if i waited for that)
(aside i also think i'd be a lot more on top of our votes and making sure mena's aligned with my overall trajectory of the slot as scum)

- kinda silly to accuse me of 'really awful voting record all game' / bop when most of the slots who have been wagons / we've voted haven't flipped yet. (like, how do you know i've been wrong exactly) pooky was more because of deadline and not liking the other wagons than anything else (until he started doing the ate thing, that became real). what else don't you like about our voting record ?

- isis. i don't vote day1 wagons taht i don't like. i'm kinda baffled that you're spinning that into something scum-indicative. it would have been the easiest thing in the world to hop onto like any of {ss, implo, aff earlier} if i were scum and wanted to take the easy flip

- and you're not really posting things that are easy for me to interact with? and you're being exceedingly weird this game, and i'm p sure you know that, so i'm not sure why this is on me and not on you

- idk what the dealyed omgus thing (and i didn't do it apparently) so i don't have a response to that one

~ skitteR

- okay that is fair if there's not actually a daytalk scum pt but is that a mistake you scumread me for >_<

- i'm rly confident in my reads and am willing to BoP you. And you didn't hardpush shirou or anything that i recall if you want to base on flips

- idk what this one was about

- hm i am kinda not posting stuff that's not easy for you to interact with i guess. BUT. I feel like i've never been cased. And the pivots from neutral to voting me don't seem clearly marked with watershed posts

- mena can explain to you how he is scum

[Isis]

2743 mean game content that shows schiavetto knows how locktown he is and is showing it off by talking about his jerb instead of the game

[Isis]

I prefer not to use the rule but this probably isn't the venue

[Isis]

- okay that is fair if there's not actually a daytalk scum pt but is that a mistake you scumread me for >_<

- i'm rly confident in my reads and am willing to BoP you. And you didn't hardpush shirou or anything that i recall if you want to base on flips

- idk what this one was about

- hm i am kinda not posting stuff that's not easy for you to interact with i guess. BUT. I feel like i've never been cased. And the pivots from neutral to voting me don't seem clearly marked with watershed posts

- mena can explain to you how he is scum

1. i mean no, i don't inherently scumread you for it, but i'm pointing out it's a kinda ridiculous reason to scumread me ....
2. nobody hardpushed shirou >.> are you basically saying you're willing to bop me over unflipped reads ...?
3. so we're saying this one is kinda baseless too?
4. i haven't cased you anytime recently, no. but i also haven't scumread you between like post 500 and earlier this evening so why would i have done that exactly ...? and this also doesn't address the point of: you're accusing me of being scummy for not interacting with you when we all agree you're behaving in a way that's hard for me to interact with you ... i switched to wanted to vote you when you cased me off of basically ... baseless reasons and couldn't/wouldn't defend them afterwards

do u wanna see me do a baclkfilp

[Isis]

\_

[Isis]

/^

[Isis]

it was a yes or no question

[Isis]

S_S did you know that when I found out your townread of me in forest fire wasn't real part of me died that day?

PART OF ME DIED

[Isis]

Reads lists are fake and gay which is good because I'm fake and gay

-schiavetto
Precious snowflake
Thick luscious analyzy reads like dark chocolate out of nowhere for no reason
Meh in some game I skimmed
Isis- really pretty
Fuels vodka reads lists instead of playing darkest dungeon on her switch at bedtime
Knew shirou was scum but wanted to declare it on like day 4 come on shirou is fun

S_S - prolly actually a tracker if there's an sk the evils have a tragedy of the commons not to shoot him
Ben scum case felt like a hello world scumread that is very objectively correct but not high value
Towny replace timing kinda

Pp- has not condescended to people whole existing in the snark subspace where his scimurges to do so would be very adjacent

Is a penguin

Does not seem demoralized by n1

Infinity - is correctly scumreadijf bridge burners

-is not sure cause mafia is hard

Needs a better signature

Petalan- has kind of been playing to imagined win condition of posting sound analysis in thread instead of whatever would be persuasive

Doesn't want to be masons with me cause my playstyle is different

Keeps getting shitpushed

-sir cakes

-does not put cakes in vc flavor

Notmafia- didmeeb



Datisi -. Sounds rineu nice.

Doesn't seem stressed

Early engagement with game
Isn't vote canvasing

Sechyd
Datisi says it's town
Gypyx over quota for good content, Iconeum under quota for insight
Implo - good time in early game
Convenient stances often
Solcy posts often
Won't engage directly nosrly

Bridgebufnees-
The omgus pivot should hang

Policy hydras

Skitter is maybe townwikl I ever be Sure She's rte

[Isis]

I could maybe vote Datisi

isis what does this mean

canvassing for votes means trying to get other people to vote with you

[Isis]

scum would have won ss3 if the setup was balanced

[Isis]

oh wait infinity's here it's not a safe lobby to say that

[Isis]

scum would have won ss3 if the setup was balanced

? I had, like, the worst reads of any townie and I had decent reads

i'm a pretty bad actress when the setup doesn't let me pick my own lines

[Isis]

i'm probably a lot more complacent about this game than i should be

i just kind of want to convince people not to touch peta schiavetto and S_S. and probably infinity too

and I don't understand the dice game fully but there's probably enough PR stuff that this is auto after that. Even if I'm mislimmed i think

that's probably not rational and i can't actually guarantee that people sheep those reads, and can't guarantee they're correct. but, i don't know, for some reason i feel complacent about this game. i'm only alive in one ongoing game. i am winning lots of advance wars games tho so maybe i'm self actualizing too much off of that

[Isis]

WAHT IF

I sort datisi

just for sport

[Isis]

Datisi why have you accepted my proxy reading secHyd all game

[Isis]

i think Datisi's infinity push looks.. underpostured? like how could Datisi draw an expectation that he could look good from it as scum. I think it actually is best characterized as scum if it's SvS. He knows know one will be sympathetic to the reasoning. Infinity has been kind popular all game. also it's predictable that Infinity has a nonzero chance to omgus it.

Does it really make sense?

[Isis]

scumtisi should push someone like me here today

[Isis]

why don't you townread peta?

[Isis]

I don't remember vigging Iconeum in what must have been why gun that is interesting

[Isis]

VOTE: isis

Fixed broken quote tags - SirCakez

I'm sorry sircakez this was supposed to be a joke where I was actually voting isis and intentionally messed up the quote tags >_>

You didn't bold this and also I convinced SirCakez it was a bona fide BBCode error in the SK PT

[Isis]

I mean scum PT

[Isis]

I mean notes PT

[Isis]

HAHAHA so funny

[Isis]

How am I truenull as a PR claim

I know I said I TR PP but I mostly think he wasn't aligned with anyone, and this post makes a lot more sense if he's SK

I might not be alive when SK hunting time becomes appropriate so I gotta say things.

The missing kill slip is the other thing. Also I realized just now that I'm bad and that can be just as scum indicative as SK indicative because he could know his faction is too small. I may have remembered this at some point and forgotten later.

But yeah I think he made a bad post. Even if he arrived at a near 50/50 vibe about whether you are scum, a more natural thing is, "huh this is a game where one of the slots I'm more interested than not resolves itself x% of the time. this is not a game where readslists are a perfect fit, is it?" Which suggests it's content he imagines we want to see rather than content that solves this game

[Isis]

hilariously a vig or SK just killed someone who forced out a ton of readslists that was the content we wanted to see while saying "this is the content we want to see"

[Isis]

i think there's this weird orthogonal way that that makes whoever shaded triangle readslists scummy (keeping shirou's suffering from being in vain, but it's something so subtle it doesn't feel riskily partnery on its face). i don't remember who that was. It might have been IConeum who a bunch of people have told me is so antipartnered that notion might be overruled. I kinda have not read the stuff about shirou and iconeum being unpartnered without my eyes glazed over and the proxy datisi reading stuff is mayhaps why

[Isis]

who do you think is likely groupscum my sweet eagle

[Isis]

pure towniness

ontap

[Isis]

VOTE: implo[color]

[Isis]

VOTE: Azelf
UNVOTE:

[Isis]

Es decir, seNor pastelez tiene razon.

That is to say, Sir Cakez has a point.

[Isis]

VOTE: implosion but I wish I loved it

[Isis]

I went to look to see who infinity was voting so I could sheep a townie but I guess it's also implosion so.

[Isis]

VOTE: BB

[Isis]

yes, it does imply the idea that i have reluctances/reservations about actually making implo claim in addition to already thinking BB is scummy.

[Isis]

VOTE: implosion but I wish I loved it

I went to look to see who infinity was voting so I could sheep a townie but I guess it's also implosion so.

how much attention are you paying PP

[Isis]

Infinity and isis are playing in a very aligned way given that we have no masons or neighbours in the setup

-QB

oh when you fabricate a solving thought process, *then* there is daytalk

[Isis]

Infinity knows I am town because I know how to project him the things that make me seem like town. I know Infinity is town because SirCakez did not list him in my role PM and there are three of us. That's why we trust eachother, so we vote together. This is how our relationship functions. A week ahead of Infinity's birthday I always ask Infinity what he wants. On my birthday Infinity knows that he is supposed to surprise me.

[Isis]

Mena has to post 3027 because the cogdis is pretty scumindicative if he's scum

[Isis]

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Mafia Goon
Welcome, [Player Name]. You are a Mafia Goon, along with your partner(s), [Player Name] (and [Player Name]).
Abilities:

Factional communication:

During the night phase you may talk with your partner(s) here [QuickTopic link].

Factional kill: Each night phase, one of you or your partner(s) may perform the factional kill.
Win condition:

You win when the Mafia obtain a majority or nothing can prevent this from occurring.

how do i ban PP for posting my role PM

[Isis]

I have my own office again? I miss that

[Isis]

Isn’t it fun how isis, infinity, and S_S all evaporate when asked to substantiate their views

-QB

Does it bother you that not all three can be scum?

Does it bother you that S_S is a townslot anyway

[Isis]

The condescension makes you seem less upset than you tend to be when you are wrongly scumread. As an explanation you're trying to frame it as though the people scumreading you are scum so it doesn't bother you, but there's not very much in the gamestate to back your monoscopic interpretation of Infinity's vote here. His votes have been pretty slewn with little agenda

[Isis]

Isn’t it fun how isis, infinity, and S_S all evaporate when asked to substantiate their views

-QB

Does it bother you that not all three can be scum?

Does it bother you that S_S is a townslot anyway

Wow more of that quality and good faith content where my “these three slots are scummy” is taken as me saying “these 3 slots are scum”

Also, in my dream world 2 of you are scum and the other is SK but sadly I’m not that good and collectively I have no reason to believe your reads aren’t that bad

-QB

I didn't take it that way. I just asked if it bothered you. I was hoping to find some of that unfabricated frustration that I feel is missing from your gameplay this game. All the exasperated posts you make feel like they have "Made in China" or "Made in USA" stamped on the back.

[Isis]

Maybe I’m turning over a new leaf where I patronise people who are incapable of reading me or unwilling to do so instead of screaming

We think the wagon on us is scummotivated but we’re not sure of scum are supporting or leading on it. I’ve also said literally ok Themis page that infinity is probably town as much as I dislike his approach here

-QB

ok, i hope you'll be understanding when i have to apply occam's razor here, since you'll only have turning point meta shifts in a fifth of your games or so

I was hoping to find some of that unfabricated frustration that I feel is missing from your gameplay this game.

I don’t think u get to complain about me being toxic in games any more if you’re actively trying to provoke me in order to sort me

-QB

I was asking about frustration you might already be feeling, but hadn't commented on. E.g., /*Isis, Infinity, and S_S are all playing wrong, but they are not observing the faults in eachother's behavior either which means we can lose this game even if we have good reads*/ being in your hydra PT but not brought out to the thread yet for me to follow your thoughts. I'm not sure how you're reaching this interpretation where I'm trying to provoke you.

[Isis]

As an example, you were very frustrated with my play day 1-3 of Alisae v Pine but you weren't toxic about it during those phases (maybe the whole game, can't recall for sure). I think that's fine mafia.

[Isis]

So curious as to why this didn’t happen earlier....isis....

what are you asking?

[Isis]

I did see Prism pretend to scumread someone he didn't actually scumread to provoke an emotional reaction and then sort that response, once. I don't ever play mafia that way. I don't think it's the best way to win, at least for me.

[Isis]

So curious as to why this didn’t happen earlier....isis....

what are you asking?

Mainly why the game state was comfortable with an implosion wagon to the point of most people not saying much of anything and then once it became likely for the elimination to be pushed through there is this rush to a new wagon with a lot of discussion about why this should be the wagon and prior desire for it.

Paragraphs upon paragraphs.

Seems like that could have been done previously and the timing is weird....no?

Infinity's support is important to me. I'm not actually confident enough that I would dayvig skiddeR through the objectives of Infinity and a couple other townreads, even if immediately after some BB posts I might feel that way. So I guess maybe you'd have to ask Infinity why his vote moved.

[Isis]

yeah, the best reason to vote you happened mid/early day 1.

The timing of Infinity's shift kind of makes no sense at all.

I just townread him anyway.

[Isis]

i rarely site sarcasm_smart

[Isis]

the best reason to vote you happened mid/early day 1.

Which was..?

-QB

I've mentioned it multiple times. The delayed omgus

[Isis]

This page isn't helping me to want implo dead

[Isis]

that's an intriguing play

is the use of bold unvote to enhance the pocketing of an 09er

[Isis]

implo runs the long cons

[Isis]

implo would you craft posts designed to pocket me like this as scum?

also would you play sion as scum?!!?

[Isis]

sometimes i want you to become imp
you could be so adorable
would you become an imp if that's what it took to pocket me?

[Isis]

i constantly thank god for esteban

[Isis]

losio

[Isis]

Wtf

[Isis]

Idk if it's an "error" the wiki says to use a quick topic and those aren't really used anymore so if it was edited to fix that, you could, or could not, add dayltak while at it? I guess daytalk is a balance shift so it's an error if that's not what jk9 was balanced around.

Does anyone know if tenet had daytalk

[Isis]

Mena is caught scum trying to generate fake townslips how is that not important

[Isis]

Petapan if you are scum you should bring me to eLo o.k.

[Isis]

VOTE: datisi

[Isis]

I don't feel comfortable voting BB right now but also would prefer not to talk about it

[Isis]

personally i think all mods should have the players acknowledge the mafia have daytalk when confirming their roles

I don't know whether or not this was a thing before I started implementing it, but hectic always does it now and I feel like I've seen another mod do it

[Isis]

Schiavetto are you french?

[Isis]

Oh all my scumreads are voting my townread together

[Isis]

We're not doing Schiavetto, pick literally anything else. All three of you realized you are viable probably maybe and the scum of the three of you are extra skewed about that and the town of the three of you please stop.

Schi's d1 was too good.

And it's dorky but she's getting disinterested and triggering her prods with the timing that syncs for town disengagement. Like when shit could get pushed through if she gimli'd her axe onto it but the arguments did not actually appeal to her enough for her to post.

You're all naked voting it's disgusting

[Isis]

We're not doing Schiavetto,

-QB

Mena you can shift out of survival mode

Don't have to lim the mislimmable townie anymore to stay safe

Lim in my poe with me

Then take townsiding shots at night please

[Isis]

For clarity impl's P!@tD pocketing value is higher than Schiavetto's still
But also I am like playing to wincon based on my reads and not blindly voting according to that value as much as I'd like to

[Isis]

You shouldn't care about my feelings, you should care that the slot is town

[Isis]

Datisi why are you voting schi