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Post Post #6 (isolation #0) » Sun Feb 21, 2021 8:57 am

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VOTE: costello

unlikely to be a kanna alt
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Post Post #10 (isolation #1) » Sun Feb 21, 2021 9:14 am

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i would like to be maggie until someone counterclaims
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Post Post #15 (isolation #2) » Sun Feb 21, 2021 9:38 am

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VOTE: costello
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Post Post #20 (isolation #3) » Sun Feb 21, 2021 9:43 am

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In post 19, Hectic wrote:uh
should have unvoted instead of avatar adjusting, apparently
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Post Post #37 (isolation #4) » Sun Feb 21, 2021 10:00 am

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In post 36, Farkran wrote:Wait wasn't that a fakehammer? I mean madeline already voted ...

But there were 5 already?
? i was already on the wagon
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Post Post #39 (isolation #5) » Sun Feb 21, 2021 10:01 am

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In post 37, madeline wrote:
In post 36, Farkran wrote:Wait wasn't that a fakehammer? I mean madeline already voted ...

But there were 5 already?
? i was already on the wagon
oh i understand now, nevermind

costello self-hammered instead of posting their pre-made rvs post? i guess
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Post Post #50 (isolation #6) » Sun Feb 21, 2021 10:07 am

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In post 47, Hectic wrote:brimstone
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Post Post #61 (isolation #7) » Sun Feb 21, 2021 10:16 am

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In post 60, Hectic wrote:madeline, can I leave reading bugspray to you this game? I'll assist with blue hearts and occasionally spiders
i have thought bugspray was mafia when they were town previously, so i may not be the best choice for this
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Post Post #66 (isolation #8) » Sun Feb 21, 2021 10:22 am

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In post 65, catboi wrote:(also I would expect a scum venge to have ended the day immediately)
In post 43, Costello wrote:Roles are assigned pre-alignment allocation.
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Post Post #72 (isolation #9) » Sun Feb 21, 2021 10:26 am

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In post 70, catboi wrote:Not the point I'm making.
oh i misunderstood that you meant the player taking action not the role, i think i understand now
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Post Post #91 (isolation #10) » Sun Feb 21, 2021 10:47 am

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In post 87, Farkran wrote:Please don't be prism. I remember prism. Was the only one hardscumreading me when i was scum,
if you're town wouldn't this be...

a beneficial trait

if you think costello is town?

as you stated earlier
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Post Post #95 (isolation #11) » Sun Feb 21, 2021 10:53 am

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In post 94, Farkran wrote:What does costello alignment have to do with prism (the ms player, not the boi item)?
i believe hectic was asking costello if costello is prism
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Post Post #118 (isolation #12) » Sun Feb 21, 2021 1:02 pm

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In post 100, Costello wrote:I didn't like their fakehammer,
eh, it was for bugspray's benefit since we are familiar and they had just said 'hammer=scumclaim' and then they obviously knew i had not hammered based on their reaction;

i didn't like your selfhammer, for what it's worth
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Post Post #122 (isolation #13) » Sun Feb 21, 2021 1:04 pm

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In post 120, Costello wrote:
In post 118, madeline wrote:i didn't like your selfhammer, for what it's worth
Is this still the case?
yes? like why does limited information vengeful that also changes the way everyone is going to play for the rest of the phase seem like a super beneficial option to you,
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Post Post #124 (isolation #14) » Sun Feb 21, 2021 1:07 pm

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In post 123, Costello wrote:
In post 122, madeline wrote:
In post 120, Costello wrote:
In post 118, madeline wrote:i didn't like your selfhammer, for what it's worth
Is this still the case?
yes? like why does limited information vengeful that also changes the way everyone is going to play for the rest of the phase seem like a super beneficial option to you,
...From an alignment perspective?

I'm going to fear selfhammer Day 1 and then proceed to spend the next 48 hours carefully deciding the most strategic shot. Are you sure about that?
no from a 'is this correct to do' perspective
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Post Post #126 (isolation #15) » Sun Feb 21, 2021 1:09 pm

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In post 125, Costello wrote:If that's just thinking it's a bad play, absolutely fine, I just fucking hate that shit and was not at all joking here
it just seems unreasonable for you to think 'fakehammer' should be punished by 'selfhammer'

like not making a defense of my play

my first thought was, 'this was kinda my fault'

but...
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Post Post #130 (isolation #16) » Sun Feb 21, 2021 1:11 pm

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In post 127, Costello wrote:Oh no, not just the fakehammer, being instantly run up to E-1 at all.
just doesn't seem like the correct response to this frustration is selfhammer, but alas
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Post Post #136 (isolation #17) » Sun Feb 21, 2021 1:31 pm

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In post 134, Costello wrote:still would shoot madeline if it were right now but might as well be playing roulette rn
it's like,

i'm town,

if you're town and vengeful me, and there are two mafia with a nightkill,

your '48 hour blitz' turns into more of a

limited information miseliminate-and-lose

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Post Post #138 (isolation #18) » Sun Feb 21, 2021 1:34 pm

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interact with me until you don't want to shoot me anymore i guess? and hope we find a mafioso?
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Post Post #245 (isolation #19) » Mon Feb 22, 2021 9:29 pm

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In post 203, Gamma Emerald wrote:
In post 109, catboi wrote:
In post 106, Costello wrote:
So this is an obituary which should be right and fitting
For every clockwork cat and conceivable kitten
Oh I wish you could see
Quite how much you could mean to me
You worthless thing


it's stray cat shooting szn
say it ain't so, your drug is a heartbreaker
Town
hm, maybe

the 'notice me!' posting probably more likely to come from town,

like if you're mafia and you post multiple 'tryhard reads'/'attempts at solving' which are mostly ignored

do you then start talking about isaac

trying to make yourself involved in the game? maybe but less likely

but they do feel forced
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Post Post #246 (isolation #20) » Mon Feb 22, 2021 9:32 pm

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In post 214, Costello wrote:Speaking of Madeline, it would be nice to hear from her as well
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Post Post #247 (isolation #21) » Mon Feb 22, 2021 9:36 pm

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In post 225, Costello wrote:
In post 138, madeline wrote:
interact with me until you don't want to shoot me anymore i guess? and hope we find a mafioso?
pls help with this
In post 228, Costello wrote:Welcome back! Do you have any thoughts on our local stray cat or maybe Hectic/Gamma?
sure will just assume things which aren't intended for me are then

most of my catboi thoughts above, like just wants to be involved in the game,

nothing super noteworthy on hectic yet, hard to evaluate gamma coldrunning the game but

response something along the lines of

'what do you want from me'

when catboi said it was painful

seemed goodguy indicative
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Post Post #248 (isolation #22) » Mon Feb 22, 2021 9:40 pm

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In post 232, Costello wrote:I'm also asking a lot of questions just to try and drive content more broadly, but I would encourage everyone to participate and a more cooperative conversation rather than just taking turns talking to me because I have a gun
hard to do when you shape the game around yourself
In post 243, Costello wrote:So you've all got to sort me after all!
do you think you've help with this?
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Post Post #249 (isolation #23) » Mon Feb 22, 2021 9:41 pm

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In post 248, madeline wrote:help
*helped
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Post Post #250 (isolation #24) » Mon Feb 22, 2021 10:07 pm

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In post 247, madeline wrote:nothing super noteworthy on hectic yet
actually first two pages from hectic quite good minus
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Post Post #263 (isolation #25) » Tue Feb 23, 2021 3:23 am

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In post 261, catboi wrote:
In post 258, Ydrasse wrote:
In post 240, catboi wrote:Right, did check on that, see that being fluffy is a nulltell for flea, was more in relation to attitude with regard to the venge. That doesn't answer why you fos flea though.
fae’s overall lack of urgency despite us having a small deadline for twilight and self-admittedly being like nah, i’m just here for the ride right now, doesn’t feel good to me at all. i dislike a ton as well, weird shade on one person and then a vote on another; the issue i have with the shade flea threw down is that it’s... self aware and hypocritical but still trying to position another person as worse off.

maybe i’m being too harsh on flea not pushing things forward but a 2 day time limit would make me want to like... do things. it’s stressful lmao, and fae doesn’t even seem bothered by the chance of getting killed. it just feels incoherent when i compare it to the game we’re playing rn
Hmm, I see your point
eh. urgency in directing someone else's action when they are intent on having us at their mercy is a pretty loose expectation

maybe on the parts pertaining to hectic spectating

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Post Post #307 (isolation #26) » Tue Feb 23, 2021 6:22 am

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In post 269, Costello wrote:do you feel I've helped you sort me?
not particularly, would be bold scumplay, but if we play a round of likely alt of...

it probably does not result in this being alignment indicative

though i wonder about spacing after quotes
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Post Post #312 (isolation #27) » Tue Feb 23, 2021 6:27 am

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In post 270, Costello wrote:
In post 247, madeline wrote:response something along the lines of

'what do you want from me'

when catboi said it was painful

seemed goodguy indicative
So I realize this isn't a direct quote, but the town-indicative action I think you're describing comes from honesty mixed with a bit of frustration about doing his best, as opposed to trying to puzzle out specifically what he needs to do to turn it around.
In post 197, Gamma Emerald wrote:Wdym
I wanted to get something started but had other things to do as well, so I just posted enough to get the ball rolling
I think the real quote has the opposite behavior, though, of immediately going more on the defensive side.

I know the interpretation I'm making of your point is really tenuous, so sorry if it's off at all.
hm, the interpretation of my point is pretty good, though i guess i don't understand why this defensiveness would be mafia indicative; it seems in line with like 'what do you want' 'why are you jumping on me when i've just began posting' sort of feeling to me
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Post Post #313 (isolation #28) » Tue Feb 23, 2021 6:28 am

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In post 311, Gamma Emerald wrote:
In post 247, madeline wrote:gamma coldrunning the game
What does this mean
like out of time running through it not where we are

like if there's a live tennis match in the third set and you're tweeting about the first few points

and we assume you're going to get there but in the meantime like just going through it
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Post Post #315 (isolation #29) » Tue Feb 23, 2021 6:31 am

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In post 310, Costello wrote:What about my play afterwards?

Sorry to force you to talk about me more, I know there's already a lot of frustration around how I handled the day but I'm just finding it really hard to get a handle on you so am fumbling in the dark a bit.
like how you decided to go with 'vengeful' instead of 'replacement-elimination'

seems unplanned but

would have been as either alignment, so
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Post Post #317 (isolation #30) » Tue Feb 23, 2021 6:32 am

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In post 316, Gamma Emerald wrote:I’m current now though? I don’t like that portrayal of my posting
? it's hard to evaluate that style of posting and that's what i had to look at
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Post Post #327 (isolation #31) » Tue Feb 23, 2021 6:45 am

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In post 320, Costello wrote:
In post 315, madeline wrote:like how you decided to go with 'vengeful' instead of 'replacement-elimination'

seems unplanned but

would have been as either alignment, so
I didn't really want the question of my alignment hanging around for the start/have town already be looking ahead to the question of whether or not to policyvote me the next day.

At some point I had to reveal it, though, since it's just hardtrolling/seemingly scumclaiming if I miss. I chose to reveal it during a lull to hopefully spur some more activity, and more specifically I was hoping that in the event you had checked out completely dejected thinking "what a fucking moron we're losing both our miselims", you might come back to the game from any number of angles (pushing me, being a bit more active knowing this didn't seriously fuck us over even if you're still upset, etc.)
it's like, you want me to play, okay, sure, i want to play

don't shoot me
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Post Post #335 (isolation #32) » Tue Feb 23, 2021 7:04 am

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In post 334, Gamma Emerald wrote:I’d like if madeline could engage with me a little more
about?
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Post Post #337 (isolation #33) » Tue Feb 23, 2021 7:11 am

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In post 336, Gamma Emerald wrote:About reads/current gamestate
okay i guess

what do you make of

ydrasse disagreeing with hectic saying i was uncautious
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Post Post #339 (isolation #34) » Tue Feb 23, 2021 7:17 am

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what do you make of

the general perception that your push on farkran is town indicative because farkran was vocally townread before that
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Post Post #341 (isolation #35) » Tue Feb 23, 2021 7:18 am

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In post 339, madeline wrote:what do you make of

the general perception that your push on farkran is town indicative because farkran was vocally townread before that
i guess this is poorly worded, i do not mean the general perception but more, the fact that there were multiple people putting this forward, including farkran
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Post Post #347 (isolation #36) » Tue Feb 23, 2021 7:54 am

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In post 346, catboi wrote:Ydrasse
why do you think ydrasse chose to remind costello of the timer
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Post Post #349 (isolation #37) » Tue Feb 23, 2021 7:59 am

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In post 348, catboi wrote:Concern for the deadline
so you believe that ydrasse believes that costello is more likely to be town than whoever they shoot and thus it would be bad if costello missed the deadline?
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Post Post #351 (isolation #38) » Tue Feb 23, 2021 8:05 am

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In post 350, Ydrasse wrote:why not ask me...? if you did i missed it
catboi had just posted, why do you think your insight gives more than catboi's perspective on something i was thinking about
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Post Post #354 (isolation #39) » Tue Feb 23, 2021 8:17 am

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In post 352, catboi wrote:I...What's your point? I can see "don't forget to take your shot" coming from town or scum, I think the assumption would be him acting in good faith
as town you'd have to believe that costello was more likely to hit than to be mafia for it to be reasonable to 'don't forget to take your shot'

and there wasn't enough evidence that ydrasse believed this or didn't for me to reach a conclusion

so i asked
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Post Post #355 (isolation #40) » Tue Feb 23, 2021 8:19 am

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In post 353, Ydrasse wrote:i asked because your train of thought here is like... i get it as something you would think knowing how you play but the timing of it seemed off?

like it’s very implicative of one very specific process that like... i don’t think ascribing to someone when they say concern from the deadline is fair. maybe i’m worrying too much about it but it feels like... you’re setting him up despite what he answers?

this is a lot of words to say i don’t get the timing of 349 despite talking to catboi
saw catboi talking about read on you, thought about the thing i was wondering about, asked catboi about it

i asked you because from your perspective your answer doesn't give any information whereas catboi's might,
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Post Post #361 (isolation #41) » Tue Feb 23, 2021 9:16 am

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In post 360, Costello wrote:I think this is going a bit advanced into Ydrasse strategically not reminding me if she thinks I'm scum, which I don't really think it's most people's first instinct is to try and figure out how to capitalize on a mechanic that I should be taking advantage of regardless of alignment in the event I happen to be scum?
really? it's seems like

very straightforward to me, like
when is deadline? check, is it good to draw attention to deadline

yes if x
no if y
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Post Post #362 (isolation #42) » Tue Feb 23, 2021 9:17 am

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Post Post #366 (isolation #43) » Tue Feb 23, 2021 9:26 am

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In post 363, Gamma Emerald wrote:I get it but I wish that people weren’t so hard up on that read? Like, why do confident Farkran is town?
i am not currently confident but farkran's play has seemed similar enough to his play in the game we previously played together to me and the posted you said was not genuine to you seemed fine to me
In post 363, Gamma Emerald wrote:Also what’s with the random line breaks
i wouldn't call them ~random~

simply stylistic
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Post Post #380 (isolation #44) » Thu Feb 25, 2021 1:54 pm

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or maybe we all flip as isaac for flavour reasons
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Post Post #382 (isolation #45) » Thu Feb 25, 2021 1:55 pm

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In post 2, Not Chara wrote:
Role List
  1. Azazel
  2. ???
  3. Judas
  4. Magdalene
  5. Eve
  6. Isaac
  7. The Forgotten
  8. The Lost
  9. Apollyon
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Post Post #383 (isolation #46) » Thu Feb 25, 2021 1:55 pm

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In post 381, Costello wrote:whatchy'all thinkin' scumhuntin' wise
obligatory well you shot mafia and are alive and so forth
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Post Post #385 (isolation #47) » Thu Feb 25, 2021 2:01 pm

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only time will tell if you can break the spell
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Post Post #388 (isolation #48) » Thu Feb 25, 2021 2:03 pm

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In post 386, Hectic wrote:Oh, and madeline; what were you trying to achieve towards the end of yesterday? Your questions felt off
? i was told to interact so i was interacting in a way i wouldn't normally
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Post Post #394 (isolation #49) » Thu Feb 25, 2021 2:06 pm

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In post 390, Hectic wrote:This question in particular. Did you really think it useful to hear why Ydrasse thinks she rather have you ask her a question about herself rather than ask catboi?
i was more wondering why ydrasse would rather answer a question than hear catboi's answer as i said a few posts after that
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Post Post #396 (isolation #50) » Thu Feb 25, 2021 2:06 pm

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In post 355, madeline wrote:i asked you because from your perspective your answer doesn't give any information whereas catboi's might,
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Post Post #408 (isolation #51) » Thu Feb 25, 2021 2:14 pm

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In post 384, Costello wrote:Yeah and I'm pissed about it,
In post 403, Ydrasse wrote:im angry btw
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Post Post #409 (isolation #52) » Thu Feb 25, 2021 2:16 pm

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In post 405, Ydrasse wrote:if madeline is scum though i guess shes trying to recreate her like... Signature? line of questioning.
eh feel like

a) if those questions are supposed to be representative of me

i should not queue games anymore

and

b) this ignores context of the situation
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Post Post #413 (isolation #53) » Thu Feb 25, 2021 2:18 pm

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In post 411, Costello wrote:Clear
...
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Post Post #416 (isolation #54) » Thu Feb 25, 2021 2:22 pm

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In post 414, Costello wrote:If it's mechanically required, that selfhammer was a real winner of a gameplan.
yeah i certainly applaud it if you're town,

can't argue with the result, and i believe in controlling what you can control and responsibility for actions and so forth

so well done
if


but those feel like postgame things i say in a non-public forum
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Post Post #417 (isolation #55) » Thu Feb 25, 2021 2:23 pm

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In post 414, Costello wrote:if you want to make the case that I shot my partner Day 1, knock yourself out.
there's precedent for it
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Post Post #420 (isolation #56) » Thu Feb 25, 2021 2:26 pm

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In post 418, Costello wrote:If the point of this was just to nitpick the word "clear" when the point is "I don't want to play kingmaker" today we're in agreement and don't have to keep doing this.
the point was mostly just to say

my bad

on my day one stance if you're town

as you played quite well

and that i don't think it should be treated as a full clearing action, as you are alive and so forth
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Post Post #423 (isolation #57) » Thu Feb 25, 2021 2:34 pm

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In post 421, bugspray wrote:why woudln't scum shoot costello
for us to ask this question

also

hi!
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Post Post #435 (isolation #58) » Thu Feb 25, 2021 2:52 pm

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^^^
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Post Post #436 (isolation #59) » Thu Feb 25, 2021 2:54 pm

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also
In post 431, Costello wrote:PT cop
i am a pt cop miller
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Post Post #448 (isolation #60) » Thu Feb 25, 2021 3:22 pm

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In post 447, Farkran wrote:We're in mech clear if
i am not following

like

if you are town wouldn't the result be

we eliminate me because pt cop miller, you are nightkilled,

same situation as today but with one less elimination

and no madeline +(
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Post Post #451 (isolation #61) » Thu Feb 25, 2021 3:31 pm

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In post 450, Farkran wrote:Yeah, it's correct, but what was wrong in my mech plan?
i do not understand how for you or costello this results in 'game solved' in situations other than

farkran is mafia
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Post Post #455 (isolation #62) » Thu Feb 25, 2021 3:35 pm

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In post 452, Farkran wrote:Explain why
because who is the final mafia in the situation where you die in the night

how is the game solved?
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Post Post #460 (isolation #63) » Thu Feb 25, 2021 3:38 pm

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In post 456, Farkran wrote:I mean, assume that i am town (bc if i am scum i will never see the end of this game alive by my own plan)

We kill you, i die overnight -> town is left with 2 (99.9%) conftown and 3 non-conf

Isn't that mathematically a victory unless either costillo or hectic are scum?
no?

5 with 2 conf, goes to 3 with 1 conf

if miselim on 5

unless i am missing something
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Post Post #474 (isolation #64) » Thu Feb 25, 2021 3:44 pm

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In post 469, Farkran wrote:
In post 445, Costello wrote:Assuming madeline has a neighbor that wasn't catboi, we can literally policy vote neighbors, have Farkran investigate the other two people, and STILL HAVE AN ELIM LEFT FOR FARKRAN
This thing
right so we eliminate me, you are nightkilled, we eliminate my neighbour, if also town, it goes to 3 with 1 confirmed still?

like i guess i still don't understand, beyond the 67% that costello says i see that
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Post Post #478 (isolation #65) » Thu Feb 25, 2021 3:51 pm

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i am a town azazel in a neighbourhood with flea (which flea can close at anytime) my role let me see flea's role during the night, which they had previously shared with me
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Post Post #483 (isolation #66) » Thu Feb 25, 2021 3:53 pm

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In post 479, Hectic wrote:That's pretty OP. Have you been utilising flight and mini brimstone well?
great minds (you and flea) et cetera et cetera
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Post Post #491 (isolation #67) » Thu Feb 25, 2021 3:58 pm

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In post 487, Farkran wrote:Ok nvm i misunderstood you saying you're a miller, you are actually a neighbor lol
that's my bad as it also caused confusion with flea,

sorry for my choice of words
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Post Post #507 (isolation #68) » Thu Feb 25, 2021 4:05 pm

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it explains that it isn't one-shot lol
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Post Post #510 (isolation #69) » Thu Feb 25, 2021 4:06 pm

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In post 504, Flea The Magician wrote:How the hell have we got 3 isaacs? Also the D6 thing explains Madelines role investigation thing kinda
In post 507, madeline wrote:it explains that it isn't one-shot lol
this was intended to be here
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Post Post #563 (isolation #70) » Fri Feb 26, 2021 7:27 am

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In post 543, bugspray wrote:i wish shiki was here she knows everything
the lights aren't on
In post 547, Costello wrote:I hope someone else is good at reading madeline because I'm not
everyone in the game with the possible(?) exception of you has prior experience with me;

not that you really need to read me here, but what are you struggling with w/ regards to reading me?
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Post Post #566 (isolation #71) » Fri Feb 26, 2021 9:26 am

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In post 545, bugspray wrote:farkran are you a traffic analyst?
In post 546, bugspray wrote:traffic analyst does not get a positive (i.e. has access) if the person has access to a pt that nobody else can such as a scum thread when there is one living scum
did we get a yes/no on if your ability works like this
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Post Post #580 (isolation #72) » Fri Feb 26, 2021 10:25 am

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In post 576, Costello wrote:
In post 563, madeline wrote:everyone in the game with the possible(?) exception of you has prior experience with me;

not that you really need to read me here, but what are you struggling with w/ regards to reading me?
basically I hate your start and complaining/criticizing in annoyance rather than real content is something you see all the time coming from scum in chat mafia

after you stop doing that you get good in my book
ehhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh

but it's probably w/e
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Post Post #581 (isolation #73) » Fri Feb 26, 2021 10:26 am

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it just feels like you want to keep me as forever an option,
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Post Post #583 (isolation #74) » Fri Feb 26, 2021 10:28 am

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In post 582, Costello wrote:if it helps, i do b/c I can't fucking read you ayyyyyyyy
read me then! how do you read anyone? just do that
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Post Post #584 (isolation #75) » Fri Feb 26, 2021 10:28 am

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In post 583, madeline wrote:
In post 582, Costello wrote:if it helps, i do b/c I can't fucking read you ayyyyyyyy
read me then! how do you read anyone? just do that
or like ask me to do something which you can read
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Post Post #585 (isolation #76) » Fri Feb 26, 2021 10:28 am

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like the lights aren't on but i'm home so if you want anything
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Post Post #589 (isolation #77) » Fri Feb 26, 2021 10:31 am

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In post 587, Costello wrote:i did, the result is above, i think town, hence the section in why I poe down to ydrasse, but have no idea how you play/what the range is

might fuck around n meta later tho
range is either

infinite

or

nonexistent

depending upon who you ask; play depends on game,
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Post Post #592 (isolation #78) » Fri Feb 26, 2021 10:34 am

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In post 589, madeline wrote:play depends on game
well not game as much as

current state of existence

but it varies that's why i say depends on game
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Post Post #596 (isolation #79) » Fri Feb 26, 2021 10:43 am

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In post 588, Costello wrote:well u haven't really outed reads today so that might be a good place to start
sure farkran not as proactive as i would expect from town!farkran but could be because of how game has played out,

hectic probably town, flea probably town but waiting on like how people pushing there,

have a theory about town!ydrasse based on interaction here and in silent star game but that's also based on something i haven't really investigated heavily enough to see if it is trustable

costello ...
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Post Post #597 (isolation #80) » Fri Feb 26, 2021 10:44 am

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or maybe i am giving flea too much credit for misunderstanding related interactions in pt
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Post Post #599 (isolation #81) » Fri Feb 26, 2021 10:46 am

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In post 597, madeline wrote:or maybe i am giving flea too much credit for misunderstanding related interactions in pt
as before that i was pretty suspicious due to seemingly aimless quest for information
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Post Post #602 (isolation #82) » Fri Feb 26, 2021 10:49 am

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In post 600, Farkran wrote:@flea did you know beforehand what the poop would do? Could you choose a different gift if you wanted to?
no; why do you ask?

answering for flea since i've seen faer role

and want to know why you refer to it as a gift
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Post Post #604 (isolation #83) » Fri Feb 26, 2021 10:53 am

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In post 603, Farkran wrote:They referred to it as a gift
ah i see now
In post 518, Flea The Magician wrote:I also have The Poop - I can give a wonderful gift to a player each night. gave to hectic, as crumbed
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Post Post #608 (isolation #84) » Fri Feb 26, 2021 10:54 am

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In post 603, Farkran wrote:And if they didn't know, why give it to hectic?
probably because hectic is hectic

who would you have targeted with gift of poop with no other knowledge of it, like why do you want to know this
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Post Post #617 (isolation #85) » Fri Feb 26, 2021 10:58 am

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In post 609, Ydrasse wrote:do you think gamma was bussing?
bussing who? like gamma tried to get me to talk my way into being shot

because gamma did not account for me

being me and not the scum!me he played with
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Post Post #620 (isolation #86) » Fri Feb 26, 2021 10:59 am

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In post 618, Ydrasse wrote:he was shading meeeeee
right but he didn't go for that over other options
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Post Post #633 (isolation #87) » Fri Feb 26, 2021 11:04 am

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In post 622, Farkran wrote:My neighbor for instance?
i would prefer not to smell like poop
In post 622, Farkran wrote:I am under the assumption that you trusted each other and that you knew the gift would be best given to town
flea made the choice during the day and i didn't check flea's role until 40ish seconds left 'til the night deadline

as it was a post in the pt thing and if flea was lying about faer role

i didn't want faer to switch to kill me because fae would know that i knew fae was lying
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Post Post #637 (isolation #88) » Fri Feb 26, 2021 11:10 am

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In post 331, Gamma Emerald wrote:Ydrasse I think has genuine paranoia but could also be genuine-sounding scum, so I want her opinions on other slots since I doubt she can fake those other reads as well if scum
also is this the shading ydasse?
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Post Post #643 (isolation #89) » Fri Feb 26, 2021 11:16 am

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In post 642, Costello wrote:i cannot believe no one is calling bullshit on my townbug desert hallucinations but sure i will take it
i describe things in remarkably similar ways at times, and thus
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Post Post #652 (isolation #90) » Fri Feb 26, 2021 11:20 am

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my being likely mafia to ydrasse is pretty ...

and the 'i know i'm being unfair thing'

is recycled content but it's recycled from town
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Post Post #658 (isolation #91) » Fri Feb 26, 2021 11:22 am

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In post 655, Costello wrote:
In post 652, madeline wrote:my being likely mafia to ydrasse is pretty ...

and the 'i know i'm being unfair thing'

is recycled content but it's recycled from town
HARD disagree lmao
nono i mean

it seems like a mafia indicative thing to me

but town!kanna said it to me word for word
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Post Post #659 (isolation #92) » Fri Feb 26, 2021 11:23 am

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unless you assumed that's what i meant, in which case i don't understand how you would disagree
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Post Post #661 (isolation #93) » Fri Feb 26, 2021 11:25 am

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do you think that your messages seeming more and more like mine as we interact more

is alignment indicative?
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Post Post #666 (isolation #94) » Fri Feb 26, 2021 11:30 am

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In post 663, Ydrasse wrote:Guys i don’t feel so good about this interaction
like you don't like that we don't like the 'i know it's unfair but'

or you think costello and i are mafia partners?
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Post Post #673 (isolation #95) » Fri Feb 26, 2021 11:38 am

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In post 668, Ydrasse wrote:i feel like you have pattern recognition as a Skill
this is true, this is one of the few things in which i am outlier
In post 668, Ydrasse wrote:and some part of me thought of mimicry and how you might have been intentionally... mirroring? before that comment
i do that yes
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Post Post #674 (isolation #96) » Fri Feb 26, 2021 11:39 am

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like i gather from all sources the midthought linebreaks aren't something across all of my games
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Post Post #749 (isolation #97) » Sat Feb 27, 2021 9:58 am

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In post 734, Hectic wrote:bugspray protects Farkran
Farkran checks bugspray
We launch one of Flea/madeline

Costello or I die tonight

bugspray clear/guiltied
Farkran checks Ydrasse
Launch the other of Flea/madeline

Other of Hectic/Costello dies

Ydrasse cleared/guilty
Comes down to 1v1 between Farkran and Ydrasse
Should launch Farkan in this scenario

The game probably ends long before with one of Flea/Madeline I think though
wait wait wait
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Post Post #751 (isolation #98) » Sat Feb 27, 2021 10:00 am

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so flea can close the neighbourhood, right
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Post Post #753 (isolation #99) » Sat Feb 27, 2021 10:01 am

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and did we actually get confirmation on farkran not being a traffic analysist
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Post Post #755 (isolation #100) » Sat Feb 27, 2021 10:03 am

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In post 752, Hectic wrote:Madeline Madeline Madeline

Can you verbalize where the paranoia on Costello comes from? Do you think scum could've been worried there might have a watcher/bodyguard/doctor/jailkeeper and not wanted to risk the obvious kill?
it just seems convenient how the game has gone for costello to be town,

like look at their claim as it now is and think about catboi being dead and it's like, sure yes mafia could have worried about this and so forth but also

how is it clearing? is it not just advantageous for mafia? especially now when we say 'hectic clear' so now hectic can die and we still just treat costello as clear?

even though shot mafia day 1 and alive day 3 like mmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm
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Post Post #756 (isolation #101) » Sat Feb 27, 2021 10:04 am

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but that isn't to say i think it's more likely than not just i don't think 'definitely clear' is reasonable
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Post Post #759 (isolation #102) » Sat Feb 27, 2021 10:09 am

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In post 758, Flea The Magician wrote:I am wanting to keep it up for now, i've a good townread on madeline and enjoying bouncing ideas.

I will shut it down though if she requests it.

Like seriously if we're going full claims I want to see all complete claims
i meant closing it for mechanical reasons towards the end of day; if going to do that has to be being the elimination though

because would need flea to close and me to confirm that it's closed before end of day
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Post Post #760 (isolation #103) » Sat Feb 27, 2021 10:09 am

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In post 759, madeline wrote:f going to do that has to be being the elimination though
*before, sorry
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Post Post #763 (isolation #104) » Sat Feb 27, 2021 10:19 am

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In post 566, madeline wrote:
In post 545, bugspray wrote:farkran are you a traffic analyst?
In post 546, bugspray wrote:traffic analyst does not get a positive (i.e. has access) if the person has access to a pt that nobody else can such as a scum thread when there is one living scum
did we get a yes/no on if your ability works like this
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Post Post #765 (isolation #105) » Sat Feb 27, 2021 10:23 am

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so it gets a redcheck on pt with only 1 living player?
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Post Post #766 (isolation #106) » Sat Feb 27, 2021 10:23 am

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In post 765, madeline wrote:so it gets a redcheck on pt with only 1 living player?
as in you would gain the charge?
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Post Post #768 (isolation #107) » Sat Feb 27, 2021 10:28 am

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In post 767, Farkran wrote:Yes if the PT still exists

I don't know how flea power works
flea erases nieghbourhood from existence; i was more asking to confirm hectic clear or part of reveals actions ability is negating those actions, right
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Post Post #773 (isolation #108) » Sat Feb 27, 2021 10:36 am

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In post 771, Farkran wrote:because he already used the power of loud actions on him
couldn't it just be part of hectic's loud ability to negate also
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Post Post #776 (isolation #109) » Sat Feb 27, 2021 10:40 am

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In post 775, Farkran wrote:I think that would be op compared to other powers we have heard of?
eh one of the abilities was supposedly reroll the game, so
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Post Post #777 (isolation #110) » Sat Feb 27, 2021 10:40 am

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In post 776, madeline wrote:
In post 775, Farkran wrote:I think that would be op compared to other powers we have heard of?
eh one of the abilities was supposedly reroll the game, so
and also hectic not knowing it did that beforehand only upon using it would help to balance as well
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Post Post #809 (isolation #111) » Sat Feb 27, 2021 12:56 pm

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@costello, why did you think farkran was pt cop pre-claim?
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Post Post #810 (isolation #112) » Sat Feb 27, 2021 12:57 pm

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In post 785, Hectic wrote:Farkran>madeline>Flea for me at the moment
getting the itchy feeling
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Post Post #811 (isolation #113) » Sat Feb 27, 2021 12:58 pm

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In post 793, Hectic wrote:Madeline, what was your theory on Ydrasse being town based on Silent Star 3?
probably nonsense
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Post Post #813 (isolation #114) » Sat Feb 27, 2021 1:08 pm

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In post 812, Hectic wrote:Humour me, I'm interested
some combination of would engage when i jumped at her appearance like silent star iii and unlike ii and language-based theory of interacting with me
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Post Post #816 (isolation #115) » Sat Feb 27, 2021 1:18 pm

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In post 815, Hectic wrote:
In post 810, madeline wrote:
In post 785, Hectic wrote:Farkran>madeline>Flea for me at the moment
getting the itchy feeling
Are you shading the Magician for having fleas here or do you have some other kind of itch
it's that feeling where i do not fully understand why i am here and also i do not fully understand why ydrasse is absent and also i'm still considering the likelihood of your ability negating results
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Post Post #817 (isolation #116) » Sat Feb 27, 2021 1:19 pm

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but it's itchy like a sweater because it's so tempting but i can't be right, right
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Post Post #818 (isolation #117) » Sat Feb 27, 2021 1:20 pm

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also written as it was for your benefit but you probably noticed
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Post Post #889 (isolation #118) » Mon Mar 01, 2021 6:02 am

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In post 840, Ydrasse wrote:madeline feels different to me, and that means something in a game where i don't think anyone else feels especially different or scummy. from the start she's felt prickly in the way she presents herself, and like... i've never had these sorts of feelings before when she's been town. as town she feels good, and i rarely have these sorts of doubts on her, but this game i do! i read her posts and think, huh, there's a tone to them, and i don't really get what she's doing and i worry that she's trying to emulate what she sounds like as town, or trying to mirror people a bit, and just... going through the motions. that's what her game feels like to me, going through the motions right now. i could be wrong on this but like, she's my second scumread for a reason and it feels like these thoughts i have about her mean something.
the mirroring bit seems ??? as you've enough experience with me to know that isn't alignment indicative; why is 'going through the motions' mafia indicative for me in a game in which i said 'the lights are off' but 'playing without fire' isn't for you, like

this feels so much like

projection, to me
In post 878, Hectic wrote:The prickly vibe from madeline that Ydrasse describes is what's pinging me about her this game too. It's the first time I've felt it from her in a game to this extent, and I do wonder if it's being put on
i feel like you townread me at my prickliest this game? and once i say 'i'm not 100% about hectic clear either' suddenly it is put on
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Post Post #911 (isolation #119) » Tue Mar 02, 2021 7:43 am

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In post 910, Costello wrote:The
times
tides, they are a-changing
the waters around me have grown
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Post Post #914 (isolation #120) » Tue Mar 02, 2021 8:42 am

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In post 912, Costello wrote:Whatchu thinking madeline
idk idk idk

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Post Post #915 (isolation #121) » Tue Mar 02, 2021 8:44 am

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In post 913, Flea The Magician wrote:honestly, go for it. Either way I win.
Me/ydrasse gets eliminated - the other gets PT copped.

Come Day, if Farkran is dead, you eliminate Bug. If it returns no pt, you eliminate Madeline and I get mad.

If none of the above, then holy cow reset and reread.
like i don't really get the thinking here,

but i also don't get the general approach of 'we have some mechanics let's just eliminate people and see'
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Post Post #917 (isolation #122) » Tue Mar 02, 2021 8:54 am

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In post 916, Costello wrote:damn
there's like, big holes in the mechanical plans, right
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Post Post #918 (isolation #123) » Tue Mar 02, 2021 8:57 am

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In post 916, Costello wrote:madeline really taking this whole mimicry thing seriously
also i just like semiotics and words and i make connections between things and you quoted dylan so i quoted dylan and then i thought about joan baez singing dylan

but ydrasse has played with me many times and these things are constants so
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Post Post #921 (isolation #124) » Tue Mar 02, 2021 9:08 am

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In post 919, Costello wrote:
In post 917, madeline wrote:
In post 916, Costello wrote:damn
there's like, big holes in the mechanical plans, right
Yes, there is nothing foolproof mechanically here EXCEPT a Flea night investigation.

Functionally, we get 3 elims+a non-Farkran night investigation of our choice. How long bugspray will be alive is very unclear.
and if flea dies the night fae is investigated?
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Post Post #922 (isolation #125) » Tue Mar 02, 2021 9:09 am

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In post 920, Costello wrote:(And even a Flea night investigation being foolproof still requires Chara to answer the question "Do I currently have access to a PT?", and in the negative, for you/Flea)
i'm pretty sure this is just a no once flea closes the neighbourhood based on wording for me, at least
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Post Post #925 (isolation #126) » Tue Mar 02, 2021 9:14 am

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In post 923, Costello wrote:
In post 921, madeline wrote:and if flea dies the night fae is investigated?
That is okay and still functionally serves its purpose. The nightkill in this case is functionally a town-driven elim.

I would even say this is expected if we choose to investigate Flea as I am not 100% mechanically clear, and neither is Hectic.
In post 924, Flea The Magician wrote:then I'm clear regardless and scum are going to take someone out regardless.

Short of throwing, I'm confident town wins.
i feel like i have to be missing something

the plan seems to be

if hectic or costello are mafia, town loses
if farkran or bugspray are mafia, flip a coin for who wins
hope ydrasse or flea are mafia, to avoid the other options

and this is a plan people are like, 'yeah this is good' about
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Post Post #931 (isolation #127) » Tue Mar 02, 2021 9:33 am

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In post 928, Costello wrote:Can you suggest an alternative?
weighted randomization seems more optimal
In post 927, Farkran wrote:The problem about mechsolving is that once it becomes an option, people stop thinking and wait for things to happen

When in actuality mechsolving shouldn't be a mutually exclusive solution against reads and that's why we should be starting to form wagons
yeah maybe it's just this
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Post Post #935 (isolation #128) » Tue Mar 02, 2021 9:44 am

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In post 933, Costello wrote:Under our current plan (Policyvote Farkran in 3 way after Flea investigation N2) I'm pretty sure it's 61%.
if you factor in policyvoting farkran in f3 this plan is nearly identical to 'assume costello, hectic and bugspray are town'
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Post Post #939 (isolation #129) » Tue Mar 02, 2021 9:52 am

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In post 937, Flea The Magician wrote:
Claims wrote:
PlayerPostCharacterItem(s)InfoMech ConfirmedMech Clear
CostelloEveDead Bird1 Shot Elimination Redirector - Used D1X/
FarkranJudasBook of BelialPT Cop, Hectic clear. Closes PT during the day with charge, gains charge from successful checkXX
MadelineTown Azazel
Claimed in PT
Can investigate roles in PT.
PT with Flea
X
YdrasseThe LostHoly MantleCan check 1 dead body per day to see what they could do/
Flea The Magician???
(Blue Baby)
Forget-me-now | The PoopForget-me-now closes PT, The Poop gives someone poop.X
BugsprayMagdaleneCeltic CrossBodyguard, N1 Costello
HecticThe ForgottenDivorce PapersBody Swap - Soul self watches [public], bone public alignment reveal? Unaware of role actions./X


X = Fully confirmed
/ = Partially Confirmed.
As it stands, we're at this.

I get eliminated, ydrasse is investigated and returns no PT. Assume Farkran is targetted but protected by bugspray.

Spoiler: Tomorrow
Claims wrote:
PlayerPostCharacterItem(s)InfoMech ConfirmedMech Clear
CostelloEveDead Bird1 Shot Elimination Redirector - Used D1X/
FarkranJudasBook of BelialPT Cop, Hectic clear. Closes PT during the day with charge, gains charge from successful checkXX
MadelineTown Azazel
Claimed in PT
Can investigate roles in PT.
PT with Flea
X
YdrasseThe LostHoly MantleCan check 1 dead body per day to see what they could do/X
HecticThe ForgottenDivorce PapersBody Swap - Soul self watches [public], bone public alignment reveal? Unaware of role actions./X


Elim Pool becomes Costello or Madeline. Assume Madeline is eliminated, Farkran HAS TO BE TAKEN OUT otherwise it's him.

Spoiler: ELO
Claims wrote:
PlayerPostCharacterItem(s)InfoMech ConfirmedMech Clear
CostelloEveDead Bird1 Shot Elimination Redirector - Used D1X/
YdrasseThe LostHoly MantleCan check 1 dead body per day to see what they could do/X
HecticThe ForgottenDivorce PapersBody Swap - Soul self watches [public], bone public alignment reveal? Unaware of role actions./X


Oh look, its Costello, gg town.

Some variations apply, and it assumes Bugspray will always protect Farkran and MegaSanta's laser always goes for Farkran
if we make these assumptions and tell the mafia the plan...
how is it ever going to work out this way
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Post Post #941 (isolation #130) » Tue Mar 02, 2021 9:53 am

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In post 938, Costello wrote:And also while I have gotten sidetracked in the hypothetical........I've been focusing on qualitative work for a reason, we should expect no mechanical solution with what is on the table.
yesyes i get it i should be doing this instead of whatever i'm typing just hasn't made sense to me
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Post Post #946 (isolation #131) » Tue Mar 02, 2021 10:00 am

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In post 945, Flea The Magician wrote:Welp, GG Bugspray, who should have a guilty returned on them.
why's farkran town here?
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Post Post #949 (isolation #132) » Tue Mar 02, 2021 10:04 am

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In post 925, madeline wrote:if farkran or bugspray are mafia, flip a coin for who wins
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Post Post #957 (isolation #133) » Tue Mar 02, 2021 11:02 am

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In post 956, Flea The Magician wrote:you give me a better elimination order to take us to ELO. dare you :P
VOTE: costello
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Post Post #960 (isolation #134) » Tue Mar 02, 2021 11:03 am

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In post 958, Costello wrote:Please note that in no world will Farkran investigate someone with a non-scum PT open.
such as

your pt with catboi?
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Post Post #962 (isolation #135) » Tue Mar 02, 2021 11:06 am

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interesting timing of those claims, if anyone would like to look,
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Post Post #965 (isolation #136) » Tue Mar 02, 2021 11:11 am

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In post 964, Costello wrote:
In post 962, madeline wrote:interesting timing of those claims, if anyone would like to look,
Are you suggesting I did not have a PT with catboi?

Whether I'm scum with the PT or town with the PT doesn't make a difference for what the mechanical decision should be.
i am suggesting that there is no way for us to know if you did have a pt since catboi died in the night and if you did have a pt there is no way for us to know if it is still open, as there would be little reason for it to be since farkran says his ability simply detects pt even with one person in it so design wise would expect it to be limited time for your ability,
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Post Post #966 (isolation #137) » Tue Mar 02, 2021 11:12 am

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In post 965, madeline wrote:i am suggesting that there is no way for us to know if you did have a pt since catboi died in the night and if you did have a pt there is no way for us to know if it is still open, as there would be little reason for it to be since farkran says his ability simply detects pt even with one person in it so design wise would expect it to be limited time for your ability,
and with you claiming it after pt cop is revealed, this seems noteworthy, at the very least
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Post Post #977 (isolation #138) » Tue Mar 02, 2021 11:43 am

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or we could vote for costello today, thank not chara for moderating, and continue to check the thread every once in a while to see if isis posts postmortem thoughts on the design
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Post Post #980 (isolation #139) » Tue Mar 02, 2021 11:45 am

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In post 979, Costello wrote:I am unironically down, I am 100% serious, the alternative in my mind is now just straight up policyvoting you.
because i think it's strange that your pt would still be open?
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Post Post #982 (isolation #140) » Tue Mar 02, 2021 11:50 am

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In post 981, Costello wrote:
In post 980, madeline wrote:
In post 979, Costello wrote:I am unironically down, I am 100% serious, the alternative in my mind is now just straight up policyvoting you.
because i think it's strange that your pt would still be open?
Would your PT close if one of you/Flea got shot?

Does the scum PT close if their partner gets voted out?

Absolutely vote me, this is stellar townplay.
our pt wasn't a one-sided use for decide a shot
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Post Post #990 (isolation #141) » Tue Mar 02, 2021 11:56 am

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In post 988, Ydrasse wrote:i’m also leery of the neighborhood bc i feel like we’ve only gotten vague impressions of the vibes/dynamic but not whats said in them/what was spoken about?

if either of you two have posted it already i’d like to be directed to it pls
you just want me to run through it?
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Post Post #996 (isolation #142) » Tue Mar 02, 2021 12:15 pm

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In post 991, Ydrasse wrote:and yes pls
flea says okay with claiming, i claim azazel, which was already known, i quote smalltown from the opening posts, and link to it for reference, flea explains to me what flea meant by claiming, and claims fruit distributor, i ask flea to guess at my role based on flavour stuff, i say costello's selfhammer may have been my fault +(, flea asks me more about items, i ask if there's benefit to flea knowing, flea says no, flea claims flea's item, i say it is believable due to similarity to a past isis game, flea says going to throw poop at hectic, asks me who i would target if i can target, i ask what flea would think if i said myself, what flea would think if i said flea, flea says happy to treat it as a masonry, i remark that a choice seems to have been made with regards special twilight, flea remarks about not being able to read gamma, i share my inability to read anyone, we talk a bit about crumbs, at the end of the night i reveal flea's role, flea thinks i am being suspicious because i claimed pt miller and flea did not take this to mean i claimed neighbour, should have chosen words better, eventually i figure out that we are having a misunderstanding, we talk more about what i said in the main thread about my read on flea, flea works on item related compilation, i ask why flea trusted me so early, flea answers, flea says let flea know when to close pt, i say probably when nearing an elimination
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Post Post #997 (isolation #143) » Tue Mar 02, 2021 12:17 pm

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In post 994, Farkran wrote:I have a simple question for everyone

Why are we even suggesting to vote any one of the two players that have at least a soft mechclear instead of actually limiting the pool and start forming wagons?
still feels like possible mafia to me, also wanted to see flea's reaction more than costello's, but alas
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Post Post #1037 (isolation #144) » Wed Mar 03, 2021 7:36 am

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In post 1012, Hectic wrote:Are you intentionally playing this alt differently?
i mean, probably, but the source of your 'off vibes' is likely unrelated to this and more my being 'off',
In post 1016, Hectic wrote:Are you really that confident on Costello flipping scum?
no,

pt is gone
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Post Post #1050 (isolation #145) » Wed Mar 03, 2021 11:45 am

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it's okay because i am a town who need not be investigated anyway
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Post Post #1051 (isolation #146) » Wed Mar 03, 2021 11:52 am

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just add me to the 'assumed town' pile

{costello, hectic, madeline}

and tada
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Post Post #1054 (isolation #147) » Wed Mar 03, 2021 2:22 pm

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In post 1053, Costello wrote:If this has anything to do with how I've played the game or the reads/reactions I've given, it is news to me.
? definitely predates this
In post 1053, Costello wrote:why should I not believe this is a terrible gimmick that I should policyvote you for?
because i'm town
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Post Post #1055 (isolation #148) » Wed Mar 03, 2021 2:23 pm

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game makes sense to me if you're mafia,
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Post Post #1057 (isolation #149) » Wed Mar 03, 2021 2:26 pm

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In post 1056, Costello wrote:Great! Time to explain why, before I policyvote you and we both lose!
you already got super upset and all of that saying how poorly i was playing et cetera et cetera which would mean you either think i'm town or you know i'm town, so
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Post Post #1059 (isolation #150) » Wed Mar 03, 2021 2:28 pm

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In post 1058, Costello wrote:I absolutely think you are town playing absolutely horrifically, you are right!
no matter how poorly i'm playing i'm still town, shrug
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Post Post #1061 (isolation #151) » Wed Mar 03, 2021 2:30 pm

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i just don't have any interest in doing so
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Post Post #1063 (isolation #152) » Wed Mar 03, 2021 2:31 pm

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seems i'm not the only one not playing well if you are town
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Post Post #1065 (isolation #153) » Wed Mar 03, 2021 2:34 pm

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In post 1064, Costello wrote:If you have no interest in selling the other players in my alignment, why should I at all give you the benefit of the doubt that your thought process is anything more than a shitty gimmick?
because what is the purpose

like this is the second phase where you're just like

prove to me specifically you are town
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Post Post #1067 (isolation #154) » Wed Mar 03, 2021 2:36 pm

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shot mafia, are alive, timings of everything convenient, gameplan going forward, which you've had input into, works out in your favour
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Post Post #1068 (isolation #155) » Wed Mar 03, 2021 2:36 pm

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all of which i've already said
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Post Post #1070 (isolation #156) » Wed Mar 03, 2021 2:39 pm

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In post 1069, Costello wrote:How about my reads, such as my positioning on yourself or on Ydrasse/Flea? Alternatively why Flea, Ydrasse, Fark, etc. are town over me!
??? yes scum!you would want to create a poe to work from,

they aren't town over you, it's all just weighted, like i don't have one static view of the game,
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Post Post #1072 (isolation #157) » Wed Mar 03, 2021 2:41 pm

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In post 1071, Costello wrote:How are you evaluating the game and the other players from anything besides the mechanical guess of 1067?
just click on my iso
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Post Post #1073 (isolation #158) » Wed Mar 03, 2021 2:41 pm

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like i've given thoughts on farkran and ydrasse and flea
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Post Post #1074 (isolation #159) » Wed Mar 03, 2021 2:42 pm

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and hectic and you,

less so on bugspray i guess, if that is what you were looking for than sure i would understand, but

eh
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Post Post #1076 (isolation #160) » Wed Mar 03, 2021 2:46 pm

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sure if that's what you take from it
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Post Post #1078 (isolation #161) » Wed Mar 03, 2021 2:51 pm

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In post 1077, Costello wrote:The issue here is there's little reason to categorically refuse to give a brief summary, or engage in even remotely good faith the last 10 minutes, for any reason other than spite.

In contrast, while I am absolutely voting you out of spite and am currently voting to concede because I'd rather lose than carry you to a town win, you have every incentive to play the paranoid moron who never outs any other reads of substance as scum.
if someone else were interested, do you think the situation would be the same? like had hectic or ydrasse or farkran or flea or bugspray asked?
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Post Post #1082 (isolation #162) » Wed Mar 03, 2021 2:58 pm

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like you get upset with me, keep saying i'm terrible, decide that i need to prove to you specifically i am town once again, and i am supposed to just assume you are town? because you say things like 'i am constantly reevaluating' which simply means that as mafia you would know to do things like 'farkran is definitely mafia' ope 'farkran is town now!'
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Post Post #1083 (isolation #163) » Wed Mar 03, 2021 2:59 pm

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In post 1051, madeline wrote:just add me to the 'assumed town' pile

{costello, hectic, madeline}

and tada
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Post Post #1089 (isolation #164) » Wed Mar 03, 2021 3:12 pm

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In post 1088, Costello wrote:
madeline wrote:because you say things like 'i am constantly reevaluating' which simply means that as mafia you would know to do things like 'farkran is definitely mafia' ope 'farkran is town now!'
Can you be a bit more specific as to why I need to make this switch?
as mafia it would be to give a believable read and because it works in favour of the clearing yourself through endgame
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Post Post #1090 (isolation #165) » Wed Mar 03, 2021 3:13 pm

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like function as though my scumread is town until f3 and then kill them!
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Post Post #1091 (isolation #166) » Wed Mar 03, 2021 3:13 pm

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In post 1090, madeline wrote:like function as though my scumread is town until f3 and then kill them!
is your gameplan
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Post Post #1093 (isolation #167) » Wed Mar 03, 2021 3:19 pm

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In post 1092, Costello wrote:Onto Ydrasse.
like if you're town and confident hectic is town finding one town in {ydrasse, bugspray, flea, farkran} solves the game so i get it
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Post Post #1095 (isolation #168) » Wed Mar 03, 2021 3:23 pm

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In post 1094, Costello wrote:It is not enough for me, as a player and a human being, to merely be correct, and it is not enough to win the game even if it were.
? how would four towns right now not be enough to win the game
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Post Post #1097 (isolation #169) » Wed Mar 03, 2021 3:26 pm

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In post 1096, Costello wrote:Does the game end if I, individually, am correct?
oh i guess i was equating your 'winning the game' with my 'solving the game' sorry
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Post Post #1099 (isolation #170) » Wed Mar 03, 2021 3:27 pm

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In post 1098, Costello wrote:If you felt my swap from Farkran was opportunistic/scum motivated-is there a reason you didn't press it or ask for elaboration earlier?

Looking at Gacha Mafia you are a lot more direct about asking players about progressions.
i was mafia in gacha mafia...
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Post Post #1103 (isolation #171) » Wed Mar 03, 2021 3:37 pm

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In post 1101, Costello wrote:
In post 1100, Costello wrote:Special shoutout to Isis for never updating Page 1 or keeping track of replacements/flips, thanks
I mean this is my fault for not skipping ahead before asking, to be clear, but I didn't really expect the answer to be akin to "I don't ask about that stuff as town" even though "I was scum" is the answer you settled for and not the full story
i mean, in this case the answer is probably something along the lines of 'i noted it but didn't mention it at the time' but i didn't fully bother with a response because the meta provided was from a game in which i was mafia
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Post Post #1126 (isolation #172) » Thu Mar 04, 2021 5:03 am

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In post 1123, Farkran wrote:@madeline and flea, what is the theory for Costello being scum?

I mean i read you saying that all the things happened are very convenient for him (access to PT, catboi dead, etc) but could you tell me the actual chances that scum get instavoted d1 into a redirect on his partner, without any knowledge of other PRs around (could have been a cop for all we know), hoping to survive 3 more miselims while at the same time explaining how he isn't nked until end of game?

As i said, this is worth losing the game to, costello is immediately awarded the title of best scum to have ever existed
if an rvs wagon on mafia is hammered it's far more likely than random that the hammerer is mafia, and that doesn't seem wholly dissimilar to costello shooting gamma emerald here

costello hammered himself? and knew about the redirect? so that doesn't involve too much chance,

does this play seem like it would be out of character for costello to you?

and the way costello has set up the gameplan going forward allows for non-costello {bugspray, hectic, farkran} nightkills to be easily explained

like i don't see how 'best scum ever' would simply be 'killed my partner day 1 and everyone assumed i was town'
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Post Post #1139 (isolation #173) » Thu Mar 04, 2021 5:15 am

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or ydrasse could hammer costello you can feel the wheels turning
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Post Post #1230 (isolation #174) » Sat Mar 06, 2021 2:41 pm

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