Mini Normal 2196 - Game Over

[bugspray]

VOTE: hyposack

i would tr atremiana for also sharing a personal disdain for n_m but ultimately in this context that is NAI

hey mm thanks for the respect vote <3

so goofy you choo chood after sheeping the mm rvs vote, what do you hope to accomplish?

[bugspray]

lotus do you think scum are more likely to have more awkward itneractionsw ith eithother compared to lother slots in the fiest fiew pages ebfore they hight he corrext vube?

[bugspray]

what are your thoughts on 15

[bugspray]

VOTE: bugspray

why tho?

[bugspray]

just out thx

[bugspray]

you mean like the same person playing 2 alts in this game???

[bugspray]

If I need to out for bugspray sanity I will, idc, this isn't a very secretive alt tbh

i am already barely sane

[bugspray]

i asked rlotus because he was the only slot i thought would reply and that post pinged me hard

[bugspray]

rllotus aling doesnt matter, what matters is that alignment indicative content was generated. it will be useful at a later time even if we can't leartn anything from it now

[bugspray]

hey clidd whats up

mm is rattled after she watched me + rlotus pull off a real steamer of a scum win together and is gonna overanalyze my interactions with him

[bugspray]

VOTE: entrapta[/vote]

[bugspray]

VOTE: entraptoa

[bugspray]

Entrapta, could we see a reads list since you seem willing to vote a lot of people

I'll trade ya, you give me one town and 2 scumreads and I'll give you two townreads

Good trade?

I dayvig Entraptoa

[bugspray]

I didn't like that your althunting didn't result in reads on any of the alts at the time I voted you, but that was probably like 70% annoyance and only 30% scumlean

bugspray asking you a specific question to generate "AI content" before they have a read on you was still kinda weird although historically I tend to scumread bugspray early a lot even if town, doesn't mean he's not scum this time though :P

it has been zero games since soemone misgnedered me in a game of mafia

[bugspray]

clidd whats up with that vote?

[bugspray]

Clidd-Entrapta-Gretchen have 2 scum in them, maybe im wrong with that, but never is there zero, i would say.

feels nebulous

[bugspray]

What do you make of my suspicious on you, bug?

it's weird as fuck because i asked why you voted me and i don't think you answered

[bugspray]

oh didn't see what

which past game where I was scum?

[bugspray]

hmmm i should try to generate itneractions with every slots this game now that i'm town
@clidd i intentionally crossed paths with rlotus very little because i had no idea how to do it well that game

[bugspray]

huh VOTE: da dude. april we work in very different ways and posting dumb shiz for fun is independent of my alignment. i don't do it for appearances. SILLY LUDGATE

why are you so scumy

[bugspray]

oh my god why the fuck do people have to use alts town is wasting so much time because who is who
is scum getting alts wrong on purpose to waste town time? that would be msart as fuck

[bugspray]

no posts by da dude at all
and like i have thoughts about the replace but publicly stating a read formed due to such thoughts is illegal

[bugspray]

VOTE: Da Dude

can you tell me more about the reasons for this vote?

[bugspray]

scum are more likely to have more awkward itneractionsw ith eithother compared to lother slots in the fiest fiew pages ebfore they hight he corrext vube

[bugspray]

Man even when I'm absolutely wasted I can at least...form a cohesive sentence. What...what happened to you?

sometimes me fingers end up on slightly the woerng keys and then i will just keep on typing

[bugspray]

lotus do you think scum are more likely to have more awkward itneractionsw ith eithother compared to lother slots in the fiest fiew pages ebfore they hight he corrext vube?
lotus do you think scum are more like to have more awkward interactions with each other compared to other slots in the first few pages before they high they hit the correct vibe?

[bugspray]

and i mean in general that seems to happen

[bugspray]

oh, then that doesn't make sense at all, I have Entrapta as my main scum read

if you're so certain it's her why present a bunch of sets? iirc you said entrap, gretchetn, clidd had 2scum

[bugspray]

gerain is town

[bugspray]

@ rlotus post 392 - i can't work out if you think there is merit in eliminating da dude to get info on the people on the wagon? April seem's to think so.

april+lotus scum?
someone was really interested in why i talked to lotus page1 and perhaps it was someone scum partners with lotus trying to give me a bad associative to make me an easier miselim in the event he gets elim'd

[bugspray]

@april what do you make of rlotus+entrapta?

[bugspray]

Spoiler: contains broken quote, contents duplicated in post 448

Regarding Bug/Lotus, both were at first very similar to their recent scumgame, but I feel some differences now.

Bug is less charismatic and is paying less attention compared to scum!Bug, while Lotus is more shallow in his comments, something different from the semi-walls that scum!Lotus did when explaining his reads in that game.

This does not necessarily make them town, as it is not that difficult to switch play from one game to the other, but my mind tells me that these traits probably leverage the slots upward, unless I feel/see something that makes me change of idea.

Ydrasse reflects me as ''lost'', and this is unusual, considering that she can project on a organic level a flow of towny interactions as scum, just like she did in FL vs Hectic.

The apathy and the gradual loss of interest, as well as the eventual exit, within the context of she needing to play in side games and not having the time for the current game (plus boring gamestate), make me think that the slot is likely town. There is still a chance of scum!Ydrasse simply not being interested in the game, but I am convinced that I can reevaluate if that is the case depending on the successor.

Mini has given me positive impressions, but I have not yet carefully checked his meta and his current position is more due to complacency on my part. He will fall or stay depending on the conclusion I have + what he posts.

AliceK asked Entrapta a very specific question regarding her interaction with Bugspray which I found very difficult in terms of projection if scum!Alice was the person who made the observation. Considering that she is a real newbie, at least for the fact that she occupied a newbie slot in a newbie game, I am viewing this unique attention to details as potentially towny. Can change too depending on what she posts.

VOTE: clidd
Clidd's noncomittal reads are causing alarm bells to loudly blare in my head.

He will fall or stay depending on the conclusion I have + what he posts./quote]

He will fall or stay depending on the conclusion I have + what he posts./quote]
[quote="In Can change too depending on what she posts.

[quote="In [url=https://forum.mafiascu ... 7]post 440, clidd"]There is still a chance of scum!Ydrasse simply not being interested in the game, but I am convinced that I can reevaluate if that is the case depending on the successor.

This does not necessarily make them town, as it is not that difficult to switch play from one game to the other, but my mind tells me that these traits probably leverage the slots upward, unless I feel/see something that makes me change of idea.

This read, like the others, is not fixed, so depending on how things happen my interpretation may change.

[/quote]

In addition most of the reads do not have as much depth as would first appear. The reads on me/rllotus/gerain compares us to how we played in a recent game with clidd where lotus+I were scumbuddies and he groups us again here. Clidd is a very intelligent and analytical player and I would expect town!clidd would separate us and give a more in depth read. The last thing about this postchain that strikes me as fucky is [post]445[/port] where he includes a gif of benedict cumberbatch (for those who may not have noticed benedict cumberbatch is clidd's fursona) appearing out of breath. Playing as scum is far more exhausting than playing as town. Usually after posting some kickass reads as town I feel invigorated and the adrenaline makes me hit that f5 button for like TEN MINUTES but posting a meticulously crafted readlist as scum takes a lot of fucking energy. Also, town!clidd asks a lot of people some really good detective-y questions and I have not seen him go for as many of those interactions this game. I believe this is due to the fact that he does not want to generate too many weird interactions with his scumbuddies and get caught by an associative read.

[bugspray]

fuck the quotes got fucked up
fuck fuck fuck

[bugspray]

Regarding Bug/Lotus, both were at first very similar to their recent scumgame, but I feel some differences now.

Bug is less charismatic and is paying less attention compared to scum!Bug, while Lotus is more shallow in his comments, something different from the semi-walls that scum!Lotus did when explaining his reads in that game.

This does not necessarily make them town, as it is not that difficult to switch play from one game to the other, but my mind tells me that these traits probably leverage the slots upward, unless I feel/see something that makes me change of idea.

Ydrasse reflects me as ''lost'', and this is unusual, considering that she can project on a organic level a flow of towny interactions as scum, just like she did in FL vs Hectic.

The apathy and the gradual loss of interest, as well as the eventual exit, within the context of she needing to play in side games and not having the time for the current game (plus boring gamestate), make me think that the slot is likely town. There is still a chance of scum!Ydrasse simply not being interested in the game, but I am convinced that I can reevaluate if that is the case depending on the successor.

Mini has given me positive impressions, but I have not yet carefully checked his meta and his current position is more due to complacency on my part. He will fall or stay depending on the conclusion I have + what he posts.

AliceK asked Entrapta a very specific question regarding her interaction with Bugspray which I found very difficult in terms of projection if scum!Alice was the person who made the observation. Considering that she is a real newbie, at least for the fact that she occupied a newbie slot in a newbie game, I am viewing this unique attention to details as potentially towny. Can change too depending on what she posts.

VOTE: clidd
Clidd's noncomittal reads are causing alarm bells to loudly blare in my head.

He will fall or stay depending on the conclusion I have + what he posts.

Can change too depending on what she posts.

There is still a chance of scum!Ydrasse simply not being interested in the game, but I am convinced that I can reevaluate if that is the case depending on the successor.

This does not necessarily make them town, as it is not that difficult to switch play from one game to the other, but my mind tells me that these traits probably leverage the slots upward, unless I feel/see something that makes me change of idea.

This read, like the others, is not fixed, so depending on how things happen my interpretation may change.

In addition most of the reads do not have as much depth as would first appear. The reads on me/rllotus/gerain compares us to how we played in a recent game with clidd where lotus+I were scumbuddies and he groups us again here. Clidd is a very intelligent and analytical player and I would expect town!clidd would separate us and give a more in depth read. The last thing about this postchain that strikes me as fucky is [post]445[/port] where he includes a gif of benedict cumberbatch (for those who may not have noticed benedict cumberbatch is clidd's fursona) appearing out of breath. Playing as scum is far more exhausting than playing as town. Usually after posting some kickass reads as town I feel invigorated and the adrenaline makes me hit that f5 button for like TEN MINUTES but posting a meticulously crafted readlist as scum takes a lot of fucking energy. Also, town!clidd asks a lot of people some really good detective-y questions and I have not seen him go for as many of those interactions this game. I believe this is due to the fact that he does not want to generate too many weird interactions with his scumbuddies and get caught by an associative read.

editing by way of posting

[bugspray]

@mod please put 446 in a spoiler with the message "contains broken quote, contents duplicated in post" so that people don't quote it and fucking ruin everything

Code: Select all

[spoiler=contains broken quote, contents duplicated in post 448
SOME BULLSHIT[/spoiler]

Spoiler: contains broken quote, contents duplicated in post 448

SOME BULLSHIT

[bugspray]

huh why were there quotes before my vote and monologue?

[bugspray]

i have more thoughts but i'd rather share them a few more meatspace days into the deadline so that this pattern can continue
sucks when you point out something scum is doing and they immediately stop it (although still useful)

[bugspray]

i hope mini's catchup is going well

[bugspray]

Bug goes up.

[bugspray]

Confirmation bias?

[bugspray]

Also I feel the need to point out that clidd has not objected to my statement that Benedict Cumberbatch is his fursona

[bugspray]

IF da dude flips town at a later point then I beleve there are exactly two scum on the wagon right now

[bugspray]

amelie town

[bugspray]

VOTE: april ludgate

[bugspray]

There has been no effort to make another wagon. Scum is either unwilling or unable to make another wagon and I believe they are unwilling to make one because they are happy to have this wagon on someone that they know is town

[bugspray]

Klik is cool

[bugspray]

clidd can you do more than posting this list?

[bugspray]

you made a bunch of nice posts with content to analyze and then i explaiend why they are all scum looking and you gave an unprovable excuse and have not made any post with more than one line or a readlist ever since and i really don't like it

[bugspray]

VOTE: drippinggoofball

[bugspray]

lots of times goodball has just come in and done stuff i do not enjoy

[bugspray]

amelie where are you reasonings for putting me super scummy? i can't fgind it in readingh ouyr post

[bugspray]

amelie's probably town that's tunneled, but i still think theyre a good cop check, just in case

your claim is so fucking convenient
day4 ic
ugh

[bugspray]

you could at least do town the favor of not appearing so scummy
if the only reason not to vote you is that you claimed a really niche tpr then i should just fucking vote you anyway

[bugspray]

Da Dude is being replaced.

Hmm, likely because slot is doomed.

Is it? Everyone left the wagon because "the wagon was going too fast" LOL

That's a fallacy. It assumes that the Mafia is stacking votes and doesn't vote each other

alicek what do yout hink of my theory that it was a scumdriven wagon and the lack of apparent counterwagons for over 24h incidicates scum is unwilling to create another one? we can easily occamrazor them being unable to away because at this point of the game that's not very difficult

[bugspray]

i literally stopped correcting people who misgender me i just click the report button

[bugspray]

Post your mafia new year resolutions.


Mine is to report every post that misgenders me and let the modteam figure out if they are doing it intentionally.

[bugspray]

i think 95% of people are irresponsibly lazy or forget so reports seem unnecessary. reminding them is a good idea to get people to remember. i know there are a few people who will intentionally misgender though and it becomes obv who they are bc they lash out eventually after you remind them.

it is fucking exhausting to correct people four times per game and the purpose of the mod team is to bear such a burden for us as mafiascum users so i simply offload it to them

[bugspray]

alicek what do yout hink of my theory that it was a scumdriven wagon and the lack of apparent counterwagons for over 24h incidicates scum is unwilling to create another one? we can easily occamrazor them being unable to away because at this point of the game that's not very difficult

[bugspray]

VOTE: alicek

[bugspray]

alicek april parnter equity dae?

[bugspray]

alice's iso looks real scummy
just vauge vote onto entrapta that stuck through the replace and basically ununspired filler while pointing out the obvious a few times

[bugspray]

That's a fallacy. It assumes that the Mafia is stacking votes and doesn't vote each other

in particular i really dislike this post.
it feels very matter of fact statement about what scum is or isn't likely to be doing

[bugspray]

alice's agenda to discredit me, someone who has been widely townread is scummy
the dadude/entrapta wagon was stagnant around l-2/3 for much longer than 24h
to say that scum was unable to create a counterwagon in that time is to say that scum wasn't even trying

[bugspray]

*crickets*

we are literally waiting for you

[bugspray]

@Klick

I don't think there is a scum motivation in the way he is playing, despite appearing to be a scummy tunnel. Town acting scummy is plausible to me.

pedit: I wanted to see someone's reaction to that.

weird mental gymnastics to not want to eliminate your top scumread

[bugspray]

i want to policy elim clidd

[bugspray]

it feels like he's literally just fucking with me

[bugspray]

no one to me feels like they are obvious scum

also while I feel this is true, I'm not getting the sense that everyone just has reasons to be town

there are a number of slots that I'm quite simply just luke-warm on and it's disappointing to me that no major wagons have been built on them to try and change that fact today

Then help with the Alice k one

[bugspray]

gerain sr on klick makes sense but could come from either perspective

[bugspray]

mm also looks scummy

[bugspray]

if dannfloor is town, and i die at night, kill gretchen

why tho

[bugspray]

a pretty scummy slot that might become an ic later seems like a less juicy target than me, the most widely townread slots
like i dont think anyone actually srs me

[bugspray]

april when exactly does your IC power trigger?

[bugspray]

clidd talk to me about Alice, why is she scum, what is she doing to try and advance a scum wincon

explaining something like this is so nebulous. this is just a stupid question.

[bugspray]

752 reads to me like LHF defense of a scum partner who doesn't look all that scummy

[bugspray]

i see her simply not actively playing towards town wincon and making a lot of empty posts

[bugspray]

i feel really confident right now about 3 scum in {AliceK, Klick, MiniMegabyte}

[bugspray]

i believe dadude is town just from wagon dynamics

[bugspray]

@mod vc pls

[bugspray]

i get the vibe tprs are gonna be badass this game =]

[bugspray]

VOTE: klick
would rather yeet this slot, will need to reread so that i actually have opinions about gretchen other than mean girls

[bugspray]

i get the vibe tprs are gonna be badass this game =]

Tprs?

town power roles

[bugspray]

VOTE: DrippingGoofball

buspray
Amelie
--
Klick
Mini
--
April
Da Dude
--
AliceK
Hyposoc
clidd
geraintm
--
DGB
Grethcen

8 more posts

VOTE: gretchen

this feels like someone dropping from a wagon that wasnt going anywhere to one that was gettign traction. don't like this

callint someone for changing wagons between their two biggest scumreadsn is such a fucking strech

[bugspray]

more frequent votecounds would be really nice

[bugspray]

fine what?

[bugspray]

why are you so begrudging

[bugspray]

amelie is way too townread rn thats my take

[bugspray]

really hot take: there are no scum in neighborhoods this game

[bugspray]

like that last take is basically surface of the sun

[bugspray]

damn i love my role

[bugspray]

ok wagon me then

[bugspray]

amelie is way too townread rn thats my take

so is this a reaction to me suddenly wagoning you?

[bugspray]

mm's posting seems characteristic of someone who currently views posting as a chore and to not something she really wants to actively do which is an attitude that is most common on scum

[bugspray]

mini megabyte

[bugspray]

i'm super interested in hearing from new slot

[bugspray]

dgb can you change your avatar to be different from the game mod's?

[bugspray]

So if you really believe that DaDude is scum, what do you make of the wagon and how quick it formed?

this post seems like a potential perspective slip

[bugspray]

dgb can you change your avatar to be different from the game mod's?

bump=p

[bugspray]

@mod can you force drippinggoofball to use a different avatar from you?

[bugspray]

i have a reply to 887 ready for whenever dripgoof changes avatar

[bugspray]

So if you really believe that DaDude is scum, what do you make of the wagon and how quick it formed?

this post seems like a potential perspective slip

How???

It seems like it's coming from a person who thinks the DaDude wagon will be lethal and flip green. It's a tactical play to give someone better miselim equity on d2

[bugspray]

and assuming gretchen town which i bet klick would deifinitely agree with we could clear dadude with a red mm flip and town will have a strong potential bloc d2

[bugspray]

On a scale of 1 to 10, where one is "weak sauce" and 10 is rock solid, how do you rate your own argument?

pretty like 6 or 7 but varies depenging on waht gretch and klickj think

[bugspray]

your claim sucks and so does everything else from your slot

[bugspray]

the solon slot is fucking town and we've known it ever since the only wagon was on it for like at least 48 hours and nothing hapopened

[bugspray]

VOTE: gerain
alright this is a mood tbh

[bugspray]

what? i thought you were still on gerain and just wanted to double cyheck my vote was there

[bugspray]

VOTE: clidd lets get em

[bugspray]

DGB could be scum. They haven't been particularly gungho about pushing anything, besides a couple weak posts here and there going after me.

Let's just say my confidence is in the dumps and I don't want to be vigged for having a wrong read.

with the amount of apparent power are you sure there's also a vig in the mix?

[bugspray]

DGB could be scum. They haven't been particularly gungho about pushing anything, besides a couple weak posts here and there going after me.

Let's just say my confidence is in the dumps and I don't want to be vigged for having a wrong read.

with the amount of apparent power are you sure there's also a vig in the mix?

¯\_(ツ)_/¯

I can't say I've given it any thought.

?????????????????????????????????????

[bugspray]

hey what's up my fellow human friends

didn't read the game btw

yeah but what's your read on grethcen, cliid, and gerain?

[bugspray]

bugspray still obvtown

ya we're basically masons

[bugspray]

i will yeet:
mini > clidd > gerain

[bugspray]

i will yeet:
mini > clidd > gerain

Not me anymore?

not right now

[bugspray]

I don't like the clidd wagon

why is clidd town?

[bugspray]

"let's see what happens here"

this kind of experimental voting you suggest is condewsive to scum trying to create a good wagon that sticks to a townie

[bugspray]

Dann is practically reading me like a book.

especially when he's your scumpartner

[bugspray]

who the fuck is biped

[bugspray]

i will yeet:
mini > clidd > gerain

Not me anymore?

not right now

Thanks, I guess. What changed your opinion? I didn't do much so it has to be mmb. Am I right?

maybe i still should, not exactly sure but I remember for some reason deciding that i want you alive tomorrow

[bugspray]

i don't want to elim biped

[bugspray]

if gretchen is ok with biped elim i'll do it

[bugspray]

i need to yeet ppl that i tr for nonlogical associatecs that are so ephemeral i dont rememebr them a day later
vc pls

[bugspray]

i got feelings about this wagon but i will hammer in a few hourss

[bugspray]

jic i die tonight keep in mind that a likely reaosn we didn't actually get to form a wagon is because scum was able to stall and waste town time. figure out who was not driving stuff forward and figure if they were driving baclkwards

[bugspray]

also those driving against flipped town are likely to be scum, but that's more relevant after more flips

[bugspray]

am the best townie to eliminate

assuming you are VT why are you the bst one?

[bugspray]

there might be other slots that would give better associateives than you though

[bugspray]

Your reaction to the wagon is not good and I don't see any scumhunting on your part rn.

clidd you of all people should know that newb!town!vt often will just lie down and die.

[bugspray]

okay so now is your chance to give us lots of good info before we elim you. talk about WHY you have these reads. giving us good info to work on d2 is veyr protown

[bugspray]

hypo are you cool with i vote you and then you hammer?

[bugspray]

I want April eliminated on Day 4, if they are not an innocent child.

this goes without saying
the shitclaim is the only reason i am not trying to yeet 'em

[bugspray]

i don't think that will happen in next 17 houres
VOTE: hyposoc

dont nut button selfhammer, do it before you go to sleep or like an hour before the deadline

[bugspray]

biped is town because that wagon was stagnant for so long with no counterwagons. if biped was scum we would have seen the scumteam trying to force another wagon

[bugspray]

damn i knew if I didn't do my homework I'd live the night >.<

[bugspray]

okay i thought klick was masons with gretchen which is why i didnt want to vote those slots

[bugspray]

okay i thought klick was masons with gretchen which is why i didnt want to vote those slots

What make you think that? Quite unlucky that he didn't leave to Night 2 at least

scummy post

[bugspray]

okay i thought klick was masons with gretchen which is why i didnt want to vote those slots

What make you think that?

Quite unlucky

that he didn't leave to Night 2 at least

town just doesn't say that

[bugspray]

VOTE: minimegabyte

[bugspray]

I haven't really been interested in the Da Dude wagon because I didn't have particular suspicions for that slot, nor did I think flipping it would reveal anything.

But now I am suspicious of MiniMegabyte, and I feel Da Dude flipping scum would all but cinch it.

That said, the Da Dude wagon is evaporating, so maybe I should just vote for my suspicion directly.

VOTE: MiniMegabyte

But, if the Da Dude slot wagon returns, I am happy to swap to it.

that's such an artificial post

Scum voting other scum?

kinda feeling like switching to hypo

April vs Entrapa (or whoever replaces that slot) feels T vs S

[bugspray]

there is 2 deepscum

[bugspray]

in post 1089, is the reason i am confused because there have been so many name changes you are referring to people a few iterations ago?

we are still referring to the same slot

[bugspray]

Bugspray seems pretty Townie, although their last post really sucked

Any reason you jumped off the Clidd wagon just as I joined it?

feels like artificially looking for a reason to sr me

[bugspray]

okay i thought klick was masons with gretchen which is why i didnt want to vote those slots

What make you think that?

Quite unlucky

that he didn't leave to Night 2 at least

town just doesn't say that

I can't see why. Anyway you don't need to answer you are so obvious Town.

i thought the nature of their interaction implied shared secret information and the way the went about it seemed like they were more likely to be masons rather than hoodies or scum

[bugspray]

geraintm I understand you think my vote looks bad

but what do you think that says about my alignment, would you still say it's bad if hypo had flipped red

i am going to need more than this from you

town post

[bugspray]

anyway, i think scum is very quiet right now and afraid of solon's info assuming town!solon

[bugspray]

solo can we get some metadata about your secret info?

[bugspray]

If Solon was scum, he would assume that Featherless Biped's pr softs were real and push that more than he did.

I really dislike this assumption

[bugspray]

klick+biped iso
viewtopic.php?t=85940&f=2&st=0&sk=t&sd= ... er_sort=Go

[bugspray]

even so, i would rather not eliminate amelie today
VOTE: clidd

[bugspray]

@solon people are waiting for you to tell the information, please just say it

[bugspray]

getchen can you join this clidd wagon? if you get my read on amelie then you should at least trust my read on clidd a bit

[bugspray]

VOTE: clidd

do you have anything interesting to say about clidd?

[bugspray]

I got a green light on Lotus

what was your reasoning behind targeting lotus?

[bugspray]

what is timer paused at

[bugspray]

damn shit went down i'm gonna read that later

[bugspray]

VOTE: amelie
not checking if this is hammer, just voting

[bugspray]

People off the table for me to lim today are Solon, Dann, Lotus and Gretchen. Pretty obvious to why.
DGB, although effectivly a VT now if town, I don't think is a good lim.
clidd I think I like as town so you probably wouldn't want to waste any convincing here

That leaves the below.
Amelie
AliceK
geraintm
bugspray

Amelie scum does have partners, so I feel I can be swayed with a good argument since my voting of amelie was more so testing waters.

is it just bcs ive been inactive lately?

[bugspray]

i sr both and there was a wagon on amelie and not clidd

[bugspray]

VOTE: clidd alrighty

[bugspray]

damn clidd really is just scum

[bugspray]

gretchen clidd partners