Mini Theme 2194 : Draft Mafia | Endgame

[Flea The Magician]

Holy smeg 13 pages?

eugh ya'll are going to make me suffer more... any key points I should know about?

V/LA end date isn't accurate, I just don't know when amma be back to me.

[Flea The Magician]

Three, actually.
Forgot about Flea.

Huh? dafuq did I do?

Shadowslug, GreyICE, LadyLambdadelta
We brought pizza, Not_Mafia
Flea The Magician
Toogeloo, mastina
Lunar Martian
tris
[ø]
PookytheMagicalBear, BBmolla

Quick read list off current thoughts

actually, i do want to ask, why is lunar a townread? and also why flea?

Lunar is actually a slight SR, the middle is the “null line”
Flea is for how faer play seems so far, it doesn’t seem fae is up to anything
Lunar I distrust his reads

This right here, what you're reading right now, is my 2nd post in this game. I ain't well, I have no clue whats going on I even asked if I missed anything important... I literally can't be anything but a null for anyone rn.
Like when I'm in a game, I'M IN THE GAME and yeah my meta and posting style is all over the place, I still tend to have more posts than pages...

Guessing I didn't miss anything important after all

[Flea The Magician]

Oh tell a lie, people can meta-scumlean me.

[Flea The Magician]

why would people meta scumlean you
tbh my read on you is kinda meta-driven, you don't seem like the scum!you in Among Us

Woah. No.

VOTE: Flea

Pooky can wait. He won't die day 1 as scum anyways.
Theres a lot wrong with Flea's vibe here.

Woah. No.

VOTE: Flea

Pooky can wait. He won't die day 1 as scum anyways.
Theres a lot wrong with Flea's vibe here.

VOTE: pizza
like what?

Self-Meta - whoo.
I'm either hyper posting or wall posting. This is clearly not matching with any town game I've played, or even my scum games. In scum games I slip at least once and it pisses me off.
That pizza post is a nora post, wanna know how I know? We're amazingly bad at reading each other. Also I pulled this exact tell on her in our last game - and was still wrong.
What wrong with my vibe is it's lacking the usual madness and chaos I like to bring to a game. There's no italicised or tea party shenangians. My vibe is *blegh* to what it normally is.

[Flea The Magician]

Nornor... I haven't made any excuses.... I'm literally just self-analysing.

my "excuse" is I'm on a sitewide V/LA rn because I'm in the midst of a huge ass pain flare and my [cw EMET]

body is rejecting my painkillers and stomach medication

which is always amazing -.-;

[Flea The Magician]

nah I'm a beast for AtE, ask pooks. Also swore I'd never pull that again.

I don't lie about my outside circumstances either.

[Flea The Magician]

I feel like we're still in RVS. What's the case on Pooky? All I've seen from Pooky's is maybe a little dismissal of the votes and their constant support of eating pizza.

I mean I asked if I missed anything important and nobody answered, so I aint readin the first 13 pages. We probably still kinda are semi-rvs

[Flea The Magician]

because as it says below I am having a massive freaking pain flare and today is the most energy I've had for a about a week.

And for now, nothing; but later, everything

[Flea The Magician]

we can figure out mastina's alignment by killing pizza girl

Nah Mastina will reveal her alignment in time

[Flea The Magician]

Thats a bit opportunistic coming from you ain't it?

[Flea The Magician]

10 posts made as of that last one. An easy case can be made on my slot.
My content can be surmised as "wow this was active, honestly I ain't reading because I lack the energy to. I have asked for key points and not been given any so I assume over 13 pages nobody has done anything of note for anyone to be really bothered about. This has been noted. I am comfortable in that Mastina will reveal her alignment based on play in time."

You're seeing something I'm failing to grasp, evidently. So please elaborate

[Flea The Magician]

OK after a brief read of teh start of BBMolla's iso and mechanics review...

Due to the potential anti-town utility I claim that

I'm using a 1-shot Ninja ability tonight

making me immune to action investigatives.

I didn't notice the pack swapping bit, I thought I was stuck with these. Not that I'd be bothered.

[Flea The Magician]

I mean, look at my location

[Flea The Magician]

@MOD V/LA update, pain flare has mostly passed, however health is still unstable. I'm going to try and be fully active, but meds posting is as it does

Spoiler: Catchup

apparently you're now scum for claiming to do that

nice try, but the issue is your caginess making little sense

how does it make little sense and explain the difference between me doing and flea doing it in response to me doing it

Things happened last night and my memory has gone naff.
I remember seeing anti-town and the packs move, I did a mechanics review and it made sense why I had a 1-shot ninja ability. You claim anti-town utility. I don't remember seeing what you claimed, just that anti-town abilities should be burned. Knowing that Ninja means I can't be tracked, I know I need to declare it so Action Investigatives don't waste their investigations on me. Doesn't make me immune to other investigations and multiple kills tonight will require claiming tomorrow and place me firmly in the firing line.

Your desire to not claim powers doesn’t mesh with softing the sort of thing you did
And Flea actually claimed faer power, so there’s a level of honesty from fae that you didn’t display

Do you have knowledge about scum powers?

Do we know for sure they can’t steal powers?

Mafia control the pack rotation. So if they rotate around and get a free vig shot, then sweet merciful ravens maf gets a double kill.
They can steal powers, if we claim them. So nobody claims anything other than and antitown utility they are willing to lock themselves into to using that night.

But why does mastina, who doesn't have internet, come into the game thread when she does have internet, to tell us repeatedly she won't have internet? And does she not have a phone, or is she hitting her data limits? The game ain't very long, if you are gonna come in and post something anyways, don't remind us that you are still V/LA.

As for Pooky or pizza, they are the top two posters, and as far as I can tell neither have done anything particularly scummy that anyone has bothered to case.

CONTENTWARNING: BODY FUNCTIONS.

So what about me then? I'm in a few games and posting despite the sidewide V/LA and trust me I can give you great detail about my pain, gastrointestinal issues and my recent A&E visit

Mastina has internet problems when there's bad weather, and it's good to have the updates honestly because I like knowing she's OK. She doesn't make a secret of this and I've seen others get grief for posting on V/LA before. Why'd you think it's in my signature too that happens to be conveniently placed at the end of every post?
C'mon toogs you're better than this.

Ok I won't be voting without my whole hydra agreeing because the other heads have expressed dissatisfaction with it but my top SRs are currently BBmolla and Toog.
BBmolla is a scumassfuck but for some reason infinity doesn't agree with me on it. His tone is just horrible.
Toog has never done this much on day 1 before. And all these TRs being given out feel hella unnatural.

I'd be willing to flash wagon both asap if the other heads agree. Infinity doesn't agree with BB SR. Murder doesn't agree with Toog SR. I forgot what infinity said about Toog.

Flea moved up.
Lunar moved down. Other heads don't agree but I think Lunar's being really weird.
Hydra agrees on a tris scum read for her reads that keep changing for no reason.
Uh and yeah this was three days worth of content don't prod me until three days later :3

I'm all alone no one agrees with my SRs life is good >.<

Told you the madness would return

*offers some sammiches and caffine explosions*

Murder agrees with me but infinity isnt convinced.

Downside to the triple headed beasts

lol imagine force replacing someone over a holiday weekend without a prod. gyp dude you crazy

there was a prod, and fuck, a holiday week? stop making me feel even worse man i already regret this

... New moon is a holiday week? I know its Lunar new year... uhm that I know of not many people celebrate Lupercalia these days, people tend to get upset about the brutality...
Am I missing something?

Still need to read Molla.

[Flea The Magician]

i think this is amished but maybe im misunderstanding

not familiar with the term

Willow seems to be blatantly buddying and trying to pocket. The takes are also a bit odd sometimes.

first is valid, leaving it at takes being odd does nothing

if a player criticizes the person they replaced they're scum

the logic is a player knows the player they replaced is town and wouldn't bother reading through their posts, but first thing scum does when they replace in is iso their former selves to see how fucked they are

idk if what you did qualifies so I'm meh on it

Whats wrong with criticising your own slot? I've done it a few times and while I have found it to be AI, it's not always SAI.

[Flea The Magician]

I mean you are our glorious leader. <3

Molla why is willow scum?

[Flea The Magician]

I mean you are our glorious leader. <3

Molla why is willow scum?

conveniently same reads as predecessor, defending predecessor, all sorts of whack things

That's not suspicious. I've seen that happen in games from town slots.

Mastina, Pizza, Pooky top 3 scum for me I think.

Or Flea. Everyone else seems fairly Town though.

Interesting. Pretty sure I've generated enough content to be readable at this point, I don't believe anyone here can have me as truely null.

THANK FUCKING GOD I'VE GOT THE INTERNET BACK NOW I CAN HAVE MY LIFE BACK AND BE ABLE TO PLAY MAFIA.

But, uhhhh...know that I've got a LOT to catch up on. I promise that this game will be caught up on, but understand that I DO have other online internet priorities; this game isn't at the top of it. I WILL get to it, fairly soon and quickly. It's just that three days of internet isn't just three days of mafiascum and I've got other duties on here, too. (It's going to take me hours upon hours to do.)

EEEEEY! Lemme know when I can start reading you :3

Wow someones reading more of the game than me xD

[Flea The Magician]

*Invites Gamma to the Townpicnic and offers some Party Rings*

(If you know, you know, if not, Andrew WK has the best reaction to them ever.)

There is literally nothing memorable happening in this game for me. This is the longest I've ever gone without voting or even starting to drill someone...

*sips tea*

[Flea The Magician]

You're failing my vibe check, but you're pro-active.

Going to bed now but I'll do some quick responses

@Gamma I vaguely remember thinking you were obvtown in BooneyToonz XIV but not really why, if you get bored tonight you could go back and explain that bit in more detail in the context of that game. If not I'll have a look at it tomorrow, so no pressure.

Not really sure what people are on about with the agenda stuff, so if anyone wants that addressed they're gonna have to elaborate.

say more on the bolded? what similarities do you think we share based on that 1 post?

One of my most frequently used towntells is 'does this person actually want people to think they're town?'. I rarely see people approaching the game from this angle but it makes a lot of sense to me as a solving tool. You also seem willing to commit to reads based on a small amount of evidence that you find compelling (as opposed to feeling the need to have a large body of work).

Night yall

My brain is failing to understand your hunting method, and others want me to point at my location while laughing.
I will take the majority of the vote, and point at my location

Pooky reflects me more as apathetic scum than apathetic town and I saw no reason to think otherwise at the moment.

ill be perfectly honest with you

I signed up for this game to shoot the shit with greyice, LLD joining up was a secondary bonus.

I've already caught pizza scum

if you guys all decide to elim me instead of pizza scum

i really could care less.

Preach to me pooky bear, reveal to me your mysticisms!

[Flea The Magician]

Just gunna say Nora is just about passing the vibe check.

and now I slep.

[Flea The Magician]

@Mod: Off V/LA, still not well but at this point I can't really say I'm LA.

*Invites Gamma to the Townpicnic and offers some Party Rings*

(If you know, you know, if not, Andrew WK has the best reaction to them ever.)

There is literally nothing memorable happening in this game for me. This is the longest I've ever gone without voting or even starting to drill someone...

*sips tea*

Gamma sits at the picnic tablecloth and pours himself a cup of tea.
“Ah, how nice, I believe I have some hobnobs in my pack somewhere.”

What do you typically look for when trying to alignment hunt?

I watch interactions more than anything, I study the use of language, what points are being raised or deflected, emotional confidence, continuity and dedication to a cause. I try to townhunt more than scumhunt as thats where my reads seem to be getting more accurate.

For example Shadowslug seems to be showing more of a false confidence rn to me. They're poking some things but not really causing much waves unless it's gathering a little support and I want to see some more from that slot.

tbf why would she want to emulate her towngame, when it's not great at avoiding the lim
she's probably better as scum than town at staying alive despite preferring town

well admittedly im not very familar with noraa but i would have assumed she barely gets miselim'd as town

*snorts into faer tea*

Nora is a chaotic bean of bears and madness, and gets scumread almost every game. Like my location is more accurate for her than it is for me.

fact that you "want" to vote me but don't says a lot.

what does it say?

That you think voting me might have negative reprecussions.

why would there be negative repercussions? i don't see anyone townreading you strongly

and ftr i am voting your slot, i assumed that vote carried over, but if not VOTE: NPOM

Speaking of finding more. This interaction is amusing... the response from NPOM is quite telling as well...
VOTE: NPOM

Only took me 20 pages of being in the game... I think that's a new record for me.

[Flea The Magician]

Pretty sure noraa is a lot better at scum than me

-Infinity

Disagree. Nora HATES rolling scum

[Flea The Magician]

Pretty sure noraa is a lot better at scum than me

-Infinity

Disagree. Nora HATES rolling scum

p sure noraa hates getting miselimmed as town more than she hates playing scum

There's a huge difference in her WIM when she rolls scum. Given she's got the epic combo of infinicat that might adjust it for her a bit but still

Getting mis-yeeted vexes the smeg outta me yet I've only ever seen 1 end game on this site

[Flea The Magician]

like if Noraa actually believed that I was scum here, she'd be bouncing up and down and yelling at everyone to vote me like an annoying alarm clock lol.

you wouldn't be able to shut her up.

Noraa is like the energizer bunny when she has an SR she believes in, you literally can't get her to stop yapping about it.

Nora in a Hydra plays weird though, she tries to mirror the other heads style.

[Flea The Magician]

Holy smeg 13 pages? eugh ya'll are going to make me suffer more... any key points I should know about? V/LA end date isn't accurate, I just don't know when amma be back to me.

Flea I don't want you to be scum but why are you probably scum?

(I still say {Molla, Flea, Gamma} has a high chance of containing 1-3 scum, probably at least two. Pooky's possible but I'm ehhhhh less sure there.)

apparently you're now scum for claiming to do that

No but I get the distinct impression Flea is scum for content-based reasons instead. </3

Because I'm someone meticulously reads threads including the fluff to build associatives and observe interactions and I just random decided to yeet 320ish posts worth of interactions, mech spec and OMGUSD1 cases and I'm playing WELLL OFFF my town meta rn.

[Flea The Magician]

I'm also way less floofier than ususal

[Flea The Magician]

Pretty sure I've generated enough content to be readable at this point, I don't believe anyone here can have me as truely null.

And I feel bad that the read is scum but I just don't get townvibes from your content here at all.

Never said it had to be an accurate read...

[Flea The Magician]

Oh? Do tell why? You've literally mentioned naff all about me so far Like literally thats the first time you've even remotely mentioned me.

[Flea The Magician]

I think you over-estimate the effort required to click a link, sip my drink, press [CTRL+F, F, L E, A] and look at the 3 results that show up. #805 and #913 are the only mentions, the 3rd result of the find in page may surprise nobody to learn of that it's in the logout link.

At the risk of repeating myself, perhaps you'd care to flash forward to the explanation as to why?

[Flea The Magician]

VOTE: Pooky

Sorry pooks, town certainly does have a mechanical decision to make tonight. I can either use a pro-town ability and effect the game like that, or I can burn the Ninja and do nothing more than sit pretty pretty much trading a "you can't see me!" for a "I'm watching you!", for example.

PEDIT: I wanna see their response first. I've got a few nails I'm trying to hit in with a squeaky mallet right now because brains are fun.

[Flea The Magician]

VOTE: Pooky

Sorry pooks, town certainly does have a mechanical decision to make tonight. I can either use a pro-town ability and effect the game like that, or I can burn the Ninja and do nothing more than sit pretty pretty much trading a "you can't see me!" for a "I'm watching you!", for example.

PEDIT: I wanna see their response first. I've got a few nails I'm trying to hit in with a squeaky mallet right now because brains are fun.

uh yea but that's not something the town should discuss or plan because scum control how many slots get passed.

they're talking about my mech play in complex theme games where I can see a way to exploit the mechanics to gain an advantage.

in this type of game where the scum are deciding the pass-distance, its much better for town not to discuss the mechanics and give scum hints on what is in which pack.

Whereas to me I see this as an opportunity to get to potentially fuck with scum My packs been hinted at. Up to them to find out how badly they want it.

*squeak*

Town certainly does have mechanical decisions to make - and some of those decisions, such as mine that make me immune to action investigation - need to be announced.

Who started the Molla wagon, by the way?

[Flea The Magician]

Well well, this is interesting...

Lilith was created before Eve, and refused to be subservient, became twisted into a demon and branded a succubus (to lie beneath).

Clidds reaction to Nora being NAI Nora is amusing and feels insincere

Nobody willing to answer me on who started the Molla wagon.

And I'd self-hammer to secure a lim over a no-lim.

Honestly, this game looks awful rn if we're <2 days from deadline and the best we have is "feels icky"

Most importantly, I want Klick to come back and justify that vote on me beyond the stain that it is.

[Flea The Magician]

VOTE: Pooky

Sorry pooks, town certainly does have a mechanical decision to make tonight. I can either use a pro-town ability and effect the game like that, or I can burn the Ninja and do nothing more than sit pretty pretty much trading a "you can't see me!" for a "I'm watching you!", for example.

PEDIT: I wanna see their response first. I've got a few nails I'm trying to hit in with a squeaky mallet right now because brains are fun.

It's a textbook scum response to avoid hopping onto my wagon too quickly here

this is funny... those who know me know I'm quite reflexive in my hunting. Someone comes at me, I go hammer and tongues back and I ain't scared to OMGUS to the point it's usually expected.
Damned if I do, damned if don't. I feel I've enough of a grip on your methods to know that if I immediately came back you'd come at me for being too defensive/aggressive leavin me stuffed either way.

But seeing as you're retroactively adding reason to your unjustifiable and rather naff vote on me, VOTE: Klick
This wagon has my blessing.

*sits on the picnic blanket and starts diving through the basket, occasionally yeeting a fairy cake or an old teabag out of the basket*

[Flea The Magician]

Slug is my compromise wagon, the vibe check is consistently being failed rn. I'm liking gamma and pizza, pooks is D1 untouchable lets face it

[Flea The Magician]

I think you over-estimate the effort required to click a link, sip my drink, press [CTRL+F, F, L E, A] and look at the 3 results that show up. #805 and #913 are the only mentions, the 3rd result of the find in page may surprise nobody to learn of that it's in the logout link.

At the risk of repeating myself, perhaps you'd care to flash forward to the explanation as to why?

The issue is less 'how' and more 'why bother' or 'what made you want to do this'
because I can think of a scum reason but not a decent town one

Because.... it's amusing. I don't recall seeing anything from you, and I wanted to confirm the information I have. We're playing a game based heavily on information and theory. Using theory when fact is available is so much more fulfilling <3

[Flea The Magician]

ive died so many times on d1 i dont even know where this d1 untouchable meme came from

just embrace it.

[Flea The Magician]

I should probably reread mech specs after those flips... I am do a confuse...

[Flea The Magician]

I would've taken that jailkeeper one in a heartbeat, ngl.

OK soooo am still do a vex. Some of these powers seem more passive than active, and one of the ones I've got is just outright not helpful...

[Flea The Magician]

@Mod: Are any of these powers "passive"? In that just having them in your pack or hand has them active?

[Flea The Magician]

Sorry ^_^ Just wanted to verify a mechanic as I was confused <3

[Flea The Magician]

@Mod: Are any of these powers "passive"? In that just having them in your pack or hand has them active?

it is indeed possible to have passive powers, they only take effect if they are drafted by someone

please ask this kind of questions by PM to avoid angleshooting around that

Sorry ^_^ Genuinely wasn't trying to be a butt, it's why I ask in public so others can get the same knowledge as what I have.

Are passives burnable? For example the Miller I have I assume is a passive, could that be activated to burn/remove it?

[Flea The Magician]

ARGH nuts I thought I pressed PM on that one

FML.

*Goes and awaits punishment*

[Flea The Magician]

Honestly, I don't see how you can angleshoot publicly. It's using knowledge of the game against less experienced players so imo PM'ing for information and using that without sharing is always a bad IMO. Like I'm attacking this from a mechanics PoV atm because frankly it's an amazing mechanic and needs to be played with. I'm still unwell and kinda meds stoned so my scumhunting is going to be beyond subpar so I plan on sticking to the bits I can do consistently.

Like I genuinely can't remember much of what I posted in this game beyond my ninja claim and refusal to read the first 13 pages lol

I await the mods judgement anyway. #InModsWeTrust

[Flea The Magician]

(ex-poker player who used to big-brain odds and use psychological manipulation to win pots. The look on someones face when you pull the 3rd set of 4 of a kind when you convince them, also an odds player, that pulling that again is astronomically low was *chefs kiss*)

[Flea The Magician]

yea no it's fine i'm not putting a punishement to that lol

just do as y'all wish, i said what i prefere, if you wanna ask publically question go for it

<3 And this is why we trust the mod

OK, now to look at the Klick Wagon... There was a lot of weird stuff happening on that wagon and given it seems to be mostly based on a shoddy vote on me that cause the elimination there were some seriously opportunistic shifts there - honestly my vote probably being the worse one VCA wise given it was essentially hammer as we got NM here

Well, now's as good a time as any to work on the VCA script I've been on about for ages...
Question is do I learn to Django it or just stick with the TUI...

PEDIT: Haschels case on me was crap, I claimed it all in the PT before they posted it!

[Flea The Magician]

VOTE: Pizza

Scum on the wagon

Expand on this?

[Flea The Magician]

I got a night action result but it's probably best to wait and see if I can use it to counter the target at some point.

@mastina if you think my wagon was so towny did you visit me last night?

6 hours, blimey. good claim

[Flea The Magician]

I spend far to much time in python doing absolutely nothing useful... i need higher contrasting colours too but blegh!

Why Pizza molla? Like you're not given me anything to work with here, just "THEY SCUMZ!"

[Flea The Magician]

Ya'll gunna make me do this aren't ya...
...
eugh fine...

[Flea The Magician]

It depends who gets to E-1 first

Right, so we should be announcing and claiming on E-2

-Infinity

Standard practice to announce NM-1 lol That's why Im treating myself as the hammer for yesterday

[Flea The Magician]

Ok I ain't going into full maths but we're talking something like 1e-9% of town doing a true random chance elimination without scum.

That said, it can and does happen. We can't play this on sheer numbers.

VOTE: BBMolla
Stop avoiding the question, why is pizza scum?

[Flea The Magician]

Stop avoiding the question, why is pizza scum?

im not avoiding

their pooky vote

their me votes

their disingenuous gameplay

it's just a bunch of calculated garbage

isn't nora supposed to be obv town by now

Thats the most direct answer you've given me. Nora is a chaotic mess of a voter and follows her heart and brain interchangably and frankly I'm confident townbinning her, and the hydra as a result. Infinity is taking a steady approach, which is the infinity I'm familiar with despite lacking much game experience, MC is an enigma, I mean who really likes flareon? the attack powerhouse with special typing?

Yuo've got nothing, that I can see, and honestly you'd do better just saying that.

Mastinas screaming town to me rn, NPOM is failing the vibe check badly and can enter my PoE. Pooky is sadly failing the vibe check and shadowslug is pinging me.

[Flea The Magician]

then theres me, "ooo ninja! damnit miller!"

[Flea The Magician]

your justification for pizza is some sus votes, your reasons are BS imo and your push is bad.

[Flea The Magician]

Given I dont believe anyone claimed any useful information regardin those passes, I dont think thats a viable question until tomorrow, honestly.

[Flea The Magician]

That sounds interesting willow...

And we all are accountable for a stale game state. So when I'm home I might try and throw some spicy out.

[Flea The Magician]

VOTE: NPOM

That is BAD. Like I was going to go spicy but that is BAAAAAD.

[Flea The Magician]

You've claimed a result on Mastina, who is screaming town at me, with a role that literally just says if she left or got visited.

You've openly claimed that, and you;ve been here long enough to know people dont often claim visits. At best your result was saveable to potentially verify a visit later on, and thats it.

[Flea The Magician]

[...]I got confirmation from the mod that activating my power last night did not count as a visit at all.[...]

Your misrepresentation of Mastina 's claim is noted though.

[Flea The Magician]

thing is with n_m we dont know if this is bs or not lol

[Flea The Magician]

A non visiting action would be mine last night, I was a ninja for the night.
There are roles that make you bulletproof, elimproof, etc etc.

[Flea The Magician]

ok after some conferring with the mod, I'm once again gong to burn one for the team, I am drafting the Miller card tonight, given last night and tonight I might just try and lightningrod all the town negatives.

This miller card cannot be burned off unless there's a vanillariser card or something maybe., meaning I will be a miller so investigations on me will be naff.

I don't think anyone else should be openly declaring negatives, but from here on out I will full declare what negatives I'll be taking on, actions taken, actions receives (not roles received!) unless someone has big beef with this.

[Flea The Magician]

I think we all have the same packs open to us, though I suspect that some roles may be "modified" or and be fired at someone.

So for example, VT may enable to factional kill, I suspect miller would allow them to dodge investigation
-or-
the miller card can be fired at another player if combined with another ability.

Miller can be removed, not burned. I figure if I declare it then use it you can either burn me up though elimination and either way it's removed from the game and VCA can happen as well as associatives , like I know my flip, I know what I'm risking by using lightning rod tactics, especially as I can just draft a VT card instead of the miller which honestly could be considered a game throw if twisted enough.

Not only this, it's going to screw up the maf's plan potential knowing if I get a bad card for town, I will declare it and burn it.

[Flea The Magician]

I've no information for town beyond my absolutely medicore scumhunting ability, so to me this isn't a losing scenario. Worst case I get eliminated by a bad push or someone thinking my play means

my nuts are bigger than my boobs

(seriously this is spoilered for good reason, this is my humour at its rawest ) otherwise I'm drawing a nightkill.

[Flea The Magician]

I'm not a miller currently, as of tomorrow/tonight? I will be.

Standard miller, appears mafia to cops

[Flea The Magician]

Because it burns it off from the decks, someone is going to be forced to take it at some point and imo it's better gone early I'm well aware of the mafia tactics that could be used and I'm well aware of the risk I'm taking here.

My setup spec currently has the possibility of mafia being able to yeet negative roles, or something like a miller making things harder for lower numbers.

Me taking it tonight turns me into a miller, I fully plan to draft all the anti-town roles. Given that you can calculate the shift 2 people should be able to verify thats whats taken each day - obviously if everyone does this its bad times because scum are already informed more than we are.

For example tomorrow I will name the two people who can confirm that miller has been taken from the pack.
I can ask the player who recieved my pack yesterday to confirm 1-shot ninja isn;t there, but as that trail stops there its kinda pointless.

On top of that, the amount of drafts I've made and used is PUBLIC KNOWLEDGE and I suspect that given we've a PR Cop that theres a role which would look at a players draft pile and say what's there.

[Flea The Magician]

Because at some point a player will be forced to take it, and given it would likely be undeclared given it wasn't declared yesterday as it's a nasty role. So come late game with lower numbers, N5 specifically if we get there, someone will be forced to be a miller, given thats a potential ELO that's a false negative - if I get to ELO and there is an investigative it would make sense then for them to check the other player to determine alignment - as it;s known I'll be scanning red it becomes an easy matter.

[Flea The Magician]

It makes sense to me, some of these roles in the draft appear to be able to change, and my discussion with gypyx indicate that miller status can be stripped by myself or by others with the correct role.

I'm preventing myself being alignment cleared. I don't see ELO ever in games. Plus at N5 it'll be the last in the pack and if town have it, they'll be forced to take it.

Honestly I think it's better being taken out now. I'm literally just going to burn the anti-town things. my flip will be green, investigations will be red. There's nothing major lost with my elimination today ether way.

[Flea The Magician]

The roles avalible also change as the game goes on, they will always become more powerful or stagnate, but never downgrade

I'm happy taking that miller card so it doesn't screw things up later.

[Flea The Magician]

None of the roles in my pack were very good, I can see me picking miller if it was there just to get rid of it and prevent scum wifom.

Plus, if Flea is scum, why claim it?

Because as scum it means all investigations on me become doubtable and gives me plausible deniability. Again, I'm aware of the scum tactics possible here, my orbs aint big enough to pull a play like this as scum, honestly.

Hell I'm surprised I got the orbs to do this as town, but stupid is as chaos does.

Again, the other part of this plan is it makes scum have to think about their rotations, if they know where an anti-town role is they want but risk me pickingup another one, it gives them something the chew on for a while until I'm evicted.

[Flea The Magician]

also a PR cop wouldnt see my alignment They'd see either my active drafts or my draft pile

[Flea The Magician]

Any sort of claim should be avoided barring a hard guilty. Anti-town claims should be avoided given my declared intent to lightning rod them. Scum have control over the rotation and can attempt to skip me if its one they want, like the ninja.

Cant remember if I'm voting here, but VOTE: NPOM

[Flea The Magician]

WHAT

DID

I

TELL

YOU

NERDS!

I

NEEDED

TO

TAKE

THOSE

ROLES!

MWAHAHAHAHAHAHAH
NOW

SIT

AND

SUFFER

MY

POSTGAME

POSTING

RESTRICTION

IN

ITS

MANY

FORMS.

[Flea The Magician]

On

a

slightly

more

serious

note.

I

need

to

go

back

and

look

at

my

yeeting,

because

I'm

pretty

sure

some

people

need

to

apologise

to

me

for

being

honest

and

absorbing

the

pro

mafia

roles.

[Flea The Magician]

A

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d

I

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1

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0

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:

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[Flea The Magician]

On

a

slightly

more

serious

note.

I

need

to

go

back

and

look

at

my

yeeting,

because

I'm

pretty

sure

some

people

need

to

apologise

to

me

for

being

honest

and

absorbing

the

pro

mafia

roles.

If

you’re

gonna

take

the

pro

mafia

roles

the

biggest

thing

is

to

be

beyond

reproach

so

you

never

have

to

be

defensive.

A

good

defense

is

never

having

to

play

it.

(I

hate

defending

myself

as

either

alignment.)

If

you

don’t

give

scum

anywhere

to

get

purchase

to

miselim

you

they

can’t

do

it.

Thing

is

I

am

an

easy

lim

no

matter

what

I

do.

I

can

play

compeltely

transparently,

openly

and

honestly

and

people

will

still

be

"hah

youre

scum!"

Dunno

if

you

noticed

Math,

I'm

a

lil

bit

weird

[Flea The Magician]

More reasons it was GOOD THAT I TOOK THE GODFATHER because that was the post restriction if it fully powered up!

[Flea The Magician]

(Not dropping this)

[Flea The Magician]

The thing about replicating me which makes it impossible is that there's more than one me.

Even if someone is capable of perfectly mimicking one me, they don't have the ability to then mimic the other me, or even if they did, they don't have the ability to perfectly time the switch between the two.

On different days at different times I have different mes driving so the nuances behind me will change a lot. (For instance in this very moment, the me at the front isn't actually the one who normally plays mafia. Which is one of the reasons I've been having more issues playing. This-me has been at the front a lot more frequently recently and I struggle to play as this-me.)

I literally use different language and word choice and have different tones between different mes, heck, even usage of emotes is different between the different mes (tho obviously we both use ':P', when, how frequent, etc., is different between us).

It's probably possible for someone to out-me me, in the perception of others. It wouldn't surprise me if someone was fully capable of, in an anonymous duel between me and them, to in the eyes of others look more mastina than the actual mastina based off of their perceptions of me not perfectly matching the reality. Or in other words, for the person impersonating me to play up the stereotypes of me, to play up the persona that they see as mastina, and do so in a way that makes them look more like public perception of mastina than the real mastina.

But actually impersonating me longterm isn't really viable.

Especially since I am actually someone who picks up habits from hydra partners; I've unintentionally partially impersonated THEM at times, and picked up their posting styles into my own, to the point where the mastina you see is the result of hydraing with the likes of Nacho, Katsuki, and more, who I stole bits and pieces of personality with and meshed with my own selves with different selves taking different aspects from different partners.

#UltimateHydraSquad.

[Flea The Magician]

More reasons it was GOOD THAT I TOOK THE GODFATHER because that was the post restriction if it fully powered up!

I claim snow leopard.
TOWN GODFATHER
*distant rumbles*

Dafuq? I need to use that role in my setups o.o

[Flea The Magician]

oh ya its pretty hard. Town Noraa has this overwhelming happiness this is quite hard to replicate lol.

Its literally why I vibe check nora, gave her the benefit on this one, regrets were had xD