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Post Post #2450 (ISO) » Tue Feb 23, 2021 9:32 am

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Yeah.....this throwing up hands in defeat feels like its piggy backing off of my willingness to self sacrifice and the request for a massclaim feels like it's mason hunting.

I'm still busy but I'll have more later and Reck, I've not actually looked at the implications of this 1v1 string along I've proposed so bear with me. I've got to dive into VCs and momentum and see where these pushes are coming from and who is manipulating the game like this.
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Post Post #2451 (ISO) » Tue Feb 23, 2021 9:42 am

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Post Post #2452 (ISO) » Tue Feb 23, 2021 9:46 am

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In post 2449, Augustus Caesar wrote:You should claim first and then argue for why massclaiming is optimal
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Now let's go for the arguing
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Post Post #2453 (ISO) » Tue Feb 23, 2021 9:46 am

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Even if you think I am scum, it's still most likely there's one scum outside claims
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Post Post #2454 (ISO) » Tue Feb 23, 2021 9:47 am

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Datisi's ISO already contains a lot of leads for anyone looking for masonhunting
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Post Post #2455 (ISO) » Tue Feb 23, 2021 9:48 am

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In post 2453, Creature wrote:Even if you think I am scum, it's still most likely there's one scum outside claims
Considering scum already knows they're not mason, they're way more likely to hit mason than Bulge is to protect mason.
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Post Post #2456 (ISO) » Tue Feb 23, 2021 9:48 am

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tbh if Bulge can find the mason so must scum.
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Post Post #2457 (ISO) » Tue Feb 23, 2021 9:49 am

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If mason were to out rn, Bulge has a 100% chance to target the mason tonight.
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Post Post #2458 (ISO) » Tue Feb 23, 2021 9:50 am

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The only two downsides of massclaim I can tell is:

Existence of a roleblocker (fairly unlikely considering Bulge got a result last night)
Existence of another PR (though if there is another PR scum has double the chance to hit PR tonight)
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Post Post #2459 (ISO) » Tue Feb 23, 2021 9:52 am

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The best day to massclaim would be either today or tomorrow. Though, considering we're likely mislynching today, maybe it is better to discuss when we have bigger numbers than after pointlessly mislynching.
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Post Post #2460 (ISO) » Tue Feb 23, 2021 10:01 am

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In post 2441, Creature wrote:I'll probably just ignore what the fucking ever everyone else is saying and go:

VOTE: xRECKONERx
Based on the gamestate rn this was always probably going to be the most likely alternative to you. Not sure why you’re acting like it’s so controversial
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Post Post #2461 (ISO) » Tue Feb 23, 2021 10:01 am

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In post 2458, Creature wrote:The only two downsides of massclaim I can tell is:

Existence of a roleblocker (fairly unlikely considering Bulge got a result last night)
Existence of another PR (though if there is another PR scum has double the chance to hit PR tonight)
There's only 2 scum in the game from night 1 onwards. One of them would've made the N1 kill, and the other the N2 kill. The Bulge's check was useless last night.

If there's a x-shot strongman or roleblocker in scum's hands, a massclaim is a bad idea. Also, we don't know what the remaining roles are and whether there's another investigative and so on
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Post Post #2462 (ISO) » Tue Feb 23, 2021 10:03 am

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A mass claim doesn’t achieve much at all for town right now
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Post Post #2463 (ISO) » Tue Feb 23, 2021 10:03 am

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Why are you so sure I'm town, Creature? I've only been pushing people you townread and townreading people you think are scum
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Post Post #2464 (ISO) » Tue Feb 23, 2021 10:05 am

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(other than Reck)
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Post Post #2465 (ISO) » Tue Feb 23, 2021 10:06 am

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In post 2460, DeasVail wrote:
In post 2441, Creature wrote:I'll probably just ignore what the fucking ever everyone else is saying and go:

VOTE: xRECKONERx
Based on the gamestate rn this was always probably going to be the most likely alternative to you. Not sure why you’re acting like it’s so controversial
Have we started pushing Reck?
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Post Post #2466 (ISO) » Tue Feb 23, 2021 10:07 am

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Last I remember we had it down to Ari, Ado and me.
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Post Post #2467 (ISO) » Tue Feb 23, 2021 10:07 am

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Being the most honest possible and not sheeping anyone's reads I'd say scum are Reck and xofelf.
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Post Post #2468 (ISO) » Tue Feb 23, 2021 10:09 am

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In post 2466, Creature wrote:Last I remember we had it down to Ari, Ado and me.
Adorable I don’t think was ever a serious elim contender. Momentum was shifting away from Ari. Reck is in a lot of PoEs and generally not a strong townread for people.
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Post Post #2469 (ISO) » Tue Feb 23, 2021 10:09 am

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In post 2462, DeasVail wrote:A mass claim doesn’t achieve much at all for town right now
Yah man, but we're probably mislynching me, scum will probably hit mason sooner than Bulge because they have Datisi's ISO and theu can exclude themselves from the pool and we'll go next day 5v2 with an outed near-useless PR and a few VTs.
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Post Post #2470 (ISO) » Tue Feb 23, 2021 10:11 am

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Mason is just confirmed town. I am not that worried
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Post Post #2471 (ISO) » Tue Feb 23, 2021 10:11 am

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In post 2408, Augustus Caesar wrote:Creature, I want you to explain when you thought beeboy self-voted and how that's been affecting your reads this game.
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Post Post #2472 (ISO) » Tue Feb 23, 2021 10:11 am

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In post 2463, Augustus Caesar wrote:Why are you so sure I'm town, Creature? I've only been pushing people you townread and townreading people you think are scum
Tbh I was considering you a third option and even considered you and Reck being scum together with a big amount of thread control. Though I talked myself into townreading you for a reason I don't remember.
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Post Post #2473 (ISO) » Tue Feb 23, 2021 10:13 am

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In post 2468, DeasVail wrote:
In post 2466, Creature wrote:Last I remember we had it down to Ari, Ado and me.
Adorable I don’t think was ever a serious elim contender. Momentum was shifting away from Ari. Reck is in a lot of PoEs and generally not a strong townread for people.
Last I remember it was Hectic hardshielding Ydrasse, Reck hardshielding you and xofelf and the game thread townreading Hectic and Reck for ??? reasons leaving Ari, Ado and me.
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Post Post #2474 (ISO) » Tue Feb 23, 2021 10:14 am

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In post 2470, DeasVail wrote:Mason is just confirmed town. I am not that worried
So what makes massclaim a bad idea exactly if it can narrow down the options?
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