Is this based on anything in particular?
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I like Datisi townreading me in 60. Datisi-scum would be under the impression that I'm an achievable mislynch and I could see scum being more tempted to twist it as scum tryharding off the bat (which is an easy interpretation to make). No one else had commented on my entrance and so the freshness of the take adds weight here.
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Has she actually been antagonistic?In post 90, Augustus Caesar wrote:i like puff so far
her being difficult and arguing about this stuff is town-indicative
our records show she's floaty and less antagonistic as scum
not a fan of the limelight
Strange that you would be asking this question of someone who has only just begun engaging with the game in a meaningful way.In post 91, Augustus Caesar wrote:puff puff puff
how much have you spoken to your team about reads or anything?
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Adorable made a vote which looked like RVS. When I asked about it, Adorable indicated that it was based on nothing. When I applied some silly pressure because I was feeling bored, Adorable said that in fact it was based on something. The "reason" for the vote changed after Adorable was pressured on it. Dismissing it merely as NAI without further reason is not enough for me. Why is it NAI?In post 103, Aristophanes wrote:I found then NAI thus far tbh
Ninja'd
I mean Adorable.
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In post 108, xofelf wrote:Gotta say the multiposting thing is going to kill me. It just feels like noise for the sake of noise and my eyes kinda glaze over as I read it. I also can't keep track of which is which, and who they're supposed to be underneath the alt, which is making that slot so much harder to read.(I also don't remember if it was just one of the public alts hyperposting or both, so that's a bad sign)
I am liking DV so far. The questions do feel like they're coming from a genuine place. I guess the term is solving? But it just feels like good reaction poking and I'm here for it.
Ari my love, why do you feel funny to me? There's this tone underneath your posts that don't quite feel genuine and more performative. Idk if it's AI, I just know unlike usual, reading your posts made my nose wrinkle up.
That's what I got for now.
Xof-town. Reck less town but still leaning town.In post 109, xRECKONERx wrote:
this 100%In post 108, xofelf wrote:Gotta say the multiposting thing is going to kill me. It just feels like noise for the sake of noise and my eyes kinda glaze over as I read it. I also can't keep track of which is which, and who they're supposed to be underneath the alt, which is making that slot so much harder to read.(I also don't remember if it was just one of the public alts hyperposting or both, so that's a bad sign)
I am liking DV so far. The questions do feel like they're coming from a genuine place. I guess the term is solving? But it just feels like good reaction poking and I'm here for it.
Ari my love, why do you feel funny to me? There's this tone underneath your posts that don't quite feel genuine and more performative. Idk if it's AI, I just know unlike usual, reading your posts made my nose wrinkle up.
That's what I got for now.
the stupid fucking open alts rule is very bad and dumb and creates more legwork for people to open a tab and have to crossreference who is saying what bc of the alts, the spamposting is ridiculous (out of the first ~100 posts nearly HALF of them are solely from ari + hectic), and the forced shtick of posting in character with images at the end of every post or whatever the hell hectic is doing is sapping my will to live
but i signed up to play team mafia, so i will play team mafia. i am just not going to engage with hectic's shtick for my own sanity. if my team wants to read it they can and fill me in. actually ill ask them to do that right now.
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I can confirm that you looked fake though (regardless of your alignment) so I don't think disliking this from Datisi is valid.In post 119, Adorable wrote:I did not like the way how you voted me saying I look fake.- DeasVail
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Is a vote not a form of engagement?In post 122, Adorable wrote:I didn't like the way how you just straight up voted me saying I dipped and without even engaging with me. I went to bed after I responded to DV and don't expect me to respond right away because I'm not active.
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I would have thought that one of the most striking things from a reads perspective would have been my push of you, yet midwaybear has no opinion on it.In post 128, Adorable wrote:This is what midwaybear said when I asked what does he think of the players after I made #85.
-He said Creature's entrance seems townie and his concern over being distracted over studies is slightly townie and doesn't care much as scum. For me Creature is hard to read and I wasn't able to see how that was townie.
-He wasn't sure why Ari asked Creature who scum is. He is overall a bit too jokey.
-Said Hectic/Ydrasse back and forth seems mostly NAI and said he believed they did this in Pooky/FL.
-Said xofelf seems to be taking Reck's RVS vote a bit serious
- Said Hectic's read on Ari in post 50 he doesn't agree with. It's just a wagon and there's nothing really to be self conscious of that early.
- Said Hectic including NAI reads is interesting and didn't know what to think of it yet.
- Said Datisi townread on DV is also not the best.
- Said Datisi voting me is somewhat understandable
-Said Hectic seems townie, but it is a weak read for him.
-Said Datisi's questions on Ari mostly reflects his thoughts and thought that was good except he put a question mark in the end and it looked like he wasn't sure.
-Said Bulge asking Sirius about personal life seemed abit intrusive and he put lol in the end.
These thoughts are through #9-#87
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This does not answer my issue and also makes no sense.In post 200, Adorable wrote:
What are you talking about? Hectic asked me how much have I spoken to my team about reads and I said that I asked my team before Hectic even asked me about reads. What you're saying makes no sense here because how am I scum panicking when I have already asked my team long ago about on what did they think of the players.In post 180, DeasVail wrote:
I would have thought that one of the most striking things from a reads perspective would have been my push of you, yet midwaybear has no opinion on it.In post 128, Adorable wrote:This is what midwaybear said when I asked what does he think of the players after I made #85.
-He said Creature's entrance seems townie and his concern over being distracted over studies is slightly townie and doesn't care much as scum. For me Creature is hard to read and I wasn't able to see how that was townie.
-He wasn't sure why Ari asked Creature who scum is. He is overall a bit too jokey.
-Said Hectic/Ydrasse back and forth seems mostly NAI and said he believed they did this in Pooky/FL.
-Said xofelf seems to be taking Reck's RVS vote a bit serious
- Said Hectic's read on Ari in post 50 he doesn't agree with. It's just a wagon and there's nothing really to be self conscious of that early.
- Said Hectic including NAI reads is interesting and didn't know what to think of it yet.
- Said Datisi townread on DV is also not the best.
- Said Datisi voting me is somewhat understandable
-Said Hectic seems townie, but it is a weak read for him.
-Said Datisi's questions on Ari mostly reflects his thoughts and thought that was good except he put a question mark in the end and it looked like he wasn't sure.
-Said Bulge asking Sirius about personal life seemed abit intrusive and he put lol in the end.
These thoughts are through #9-#87
This feels like panic asking a team-mate to help fake reads to look town.
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I don’t know reck. I loved the idea of catching scum in my first string of posts, but I don’t know what to think of what has resulted from it now. It isn’t what I would have expected from scum and I’m concerned that I have been potentially barking up the wrong tree.
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I’m definitely keeping an eye on things there and also always reevaluating my thoughts, but fwiw if I were scum with adorable I would probably still be bussing because the back-out is so messy as a buddyIn post 234, xRECKONERx wrote:
this is probably fine, we're different people, but it doesn't mean my lived experience is gonna let me let people walk away from being internally inconsistentIn post 228, petapan wrote:well yes but you're you and adorable is not you and right now it feels more like the sort of trivial weirdness scum would harp on over an actual scumslip
sometimes the simple answer of "they're scum and fucked up" is actually the answer (it's more common than you think)
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Thank you for pointing it out to me.In post 275, Adorable wrote:DV you never responded to my post at #205
Re: Xof it was a combination of the way that they expressed their thoughts and their approach to their read of me.
Xof’s posts indicate to me what is likely a genuine thought process. It is a bit difficult to explain but it feels very... xof, and I don’t get any sense of them doing anything other than what they would naturally do. (I would expect more awkwardness or fabrication as scum)
I think the read of me is also indicative of town because I would expect xof-town to be interested in my alignment early on, but i also like that there is very little ceremony associated with it. From xof-scum I would expect more of a show about how they think I’m town but are a bit paranoid and don’t know whether to trust me etc
The fact that the expression of thinking I am more likely town is just... there... with no extra fluff, it makes it appear more genuine to me.
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I don’t think that any of Datisi’s posting since has been strongly indicative to me either way, but I’m not overly concerned.
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Wouldn’t you agree that it was a bit silly to pressure an innocuous RVS vote? I was honestly shocked that it produced the content that it did.In post 278, xRECKONERx wrote:i think you raised a good "catch" in DV's 171 saying "I applied pressure because I was bored", but I don't think it's enough to undo the town read I have on him so far- DeasVail
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I feel like Adorable's posting is essentially a smorgasbord of scumreadable material and honestly that's what's giving me pause here. But... I am aware that this could just be scum.In post 280, Datisi wrote:ok. can we talk about what the utter dumpster fire this wagon is? like, peta's vote on it is the least bad one, and that's saying something. hectic's vote is kinda like. bleh. made in some sorta anger, then getting told by teammates he's overreacting, then just kinda like staying on the wagon. not good but like whatever. i'm still net +town on hectic i'm just saying.
last night, duck was yelling at me for not trying to get aristophanes killed yet. and like i think he's right. ari's vote here boiled down to "reck feels off", when called out on it, ari did a "ok maybe not but whatever" (113). i believe he was asked to elaborate further, and he's just...? dipped the thread??? ok.
i was gonna come in this morning after my 3 and a half hours of sleep and offer a hot take and vote ari but like.adorable.
i don't like my 229 ignored. now before you say "adorable didn't see it!!" no no here's the thing. adorable has been brewing a scumread on me for a few posts now. (119, 195, 206, 207) when your scumread, who you believe is pushing a misexe on you, is doing what i'm doing, do you really just ~miss~ it?
now her reasons for scumreading reck boil down to a bunch of nai shit (personality) and his first vote against her. but like. she's been talking about the scumread on me for far longer. now all of a sudden i'm forgotten, and she votes reck? i wonder if the fact that reck was on three votes and i was on zero has anything to do with that.
also also can i just point out how... bad the read on xof is? like, at first it was applying vague mafia theory without looking at the context of the game. but now it's applying *wrong* vague mafia theory. the idea that scum never defend each other is insane and i'm lowkey weirded out nobody's brought this up?
Nonetheless, Adorable is undoubtedly getting a lot of attention.
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Ari, in response to your question to me, I chose Adorable's vote because it came at a time when there had been some vaguely interesting posts made, it was a vote on Augustus who had been a relatively loud player, Adorable had only just made the vote so chances of real-time interaction were high, I didn't have any familiarity with Adorable so it would have been good to get some insight, and I just happened to be looking at the thread at the time and thought it would be fun to subvert RVS expectations and meta for a bit of wtf!
But now I have some questions for you!
But what is YOUR read of me?In post 371, Aristophanes wrote:I think your read of DV is directly effected by your read on Adorable and I don't know that it is the best metric to base it upon.
There is a lot of commenting on other people's reads and criticising the reasoning, but this is actually very easy to do as scum! What is more difficult is coming up with thoughts of your own which I notice you haven't actually done very much of despite saying a lot of words.
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This vote is not what I expected and is the opposite of the direction of my own read, which was heading towards Adorable-town.In post 458, petapan wrote:that said,
VOTE: Adorable
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Ari I don't understand why you are comparing beeboy and xofelf here. One of them has posted thoughts/content and the other has not. It's a pretty clear difference to me.In post 460, Aristophanes wrote:Also I fund all of the attention on beeboy funny because xof hasn't been here in the same amount of time and nobody cares? There was a 3 hour difference between their last posts.
Like I get that beebs is a meta point but still, the fact that nobody cares if a slot that has only 3 posts has been silent the same amount of time be has is funny to me.- DeasVail
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Ooo, your peta read is in a similar place to mine. Cool!In post 577, xRECKONERx wrote:ok it's time to force myself to do a readslist to start engaging with where i subconsciously have people in my mind
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DeasVail: prob my strongest townread, we're mindmelding on everything which tells me he's coming at this genuinely, put himself way out there to figure shit out.
xofelf: low content, but what's there is 100% in line with where my brain is atm. dig it. more of it pls but dig it for now.
Sirius: see earlier post. think this is indicative of town mindset rather than scum.
Datisi: earnest attempts to try and get thoughts/content out of people. only slight tinge is calling me v hectic town v town early, i think scum love to call out TvT, but everything outside of that looks like town effort
Hectic: null, slight tinges here n there on town. the way hectic backed up and listened to the team instead of tunneling me gives me town vibes. some of it might be bc he didn't want to get into a shouting match with me and lose, but i read some careful consideration in his posts. behaviorally, seems town.
Ydrasse: peppering some questions around to poke at diff thoughts/opinions, but none of it is really concrete. it's all wrapped in a sort of cute joking wrapper and that's hard for me to parse. notably voting sirius when nobody else was. in the sort of null lump pile in the middle. true null i guess for this list.
Adorable: I'm struggling w this slot tbh. it's full of constant contradictions. she gets done one second saying A is true, then in her very next post will say A is false instead. it's bizarre. that being said, i think when pushed through the flustered behavior, i'm seeing GLIMPSES of genuine understanding. idk. i dont want to subscribe to too scummy to be scum so i am def keeping my eye out here but it does feel like if adorable is scum, she's gonna let us know in big flashing neon letters eventually.
The Bulge: null, leaning slightly scum. there's not a lot to work with in a 40+ post iso. i found early questioning of me weird, asking for self meta, i'm not sure what the expected result of that was. still overall feel like probably too early to tell but slight scum lean just bc there's a lot of empty reasonless proclamations w/out much to them.
Creature: something pinged me weird ab Creature's "I have rolled town" at the start, seems unnatural. really hate how he just declares things are townie or scummy without any reasoning. esp dislike his read on me going from "not fake but scum might post this" to "reck is a surefire scumread" seemingly with no trajectory, feels like he was waiting to see if there was appetite and when there ws he committed harder. there's not much to analyze here bc despite high volume they're all zero calories.
petapan: agar is much more confident in scum here than i am, but i do think there was something weird about how peta voted sirius early under the guise of actually scumreading him and then just literally never talked about it or followed up. then the way peta inserted himself into me/dv questioning adorable felt like a combo platter of piling on mixed with LAMIST. the pokes and prods at me, ari, adorable, etc have all felt half-assed and i don't feel like have gotten us anywhere. reads all feel noncommittal at this point.
Aristophanes: boy, this is just a weird, gross kinda slot. overeager is ari's brand, but something ab the early RVS joke play here feels hollow and nongenuine. the hop onto me with hectic was awful. "reck is off" isn't anything. i asked for an elaboration and he couldn't give one, he just backpedaled on using the word "off". p much my entire adorable townread epiphany came from looking at how far ari was bending over backwards to defend her. the hop off and hop BACK onto me is gross, and it's all wrapped up in this defense of adorable's contradictory behavior. i don't believe town would have such a boner for shutting downsomeone calling out contradictions. he also has this entire narrative he's putting out there that i was ever attacking or tunneling on hectic when i literally haven't the entire game, he's just trying to use my loud personality to poison the well. it's all scummy as fuck.
beeboy: fuck meta, kill nonparticipants, it's team fucking mafia.
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I think so, yes. In a game like this where there are many easy targets, someone like you who is making reasonable posts and appears to be furthering the town's agenda is not worth suspecting as scum, regardless of your alignment.In post 582, petapan wrote:
do u feel like scum would townread my play so farIn post 576, DeasVail wrote:a peta townread is a very easy read to have considering that peta's posting on surface level looks protown and has been one of the least controversial slots of this game.
(Obviously this isn't going to apply 100% but I would be suspicious of anyone calling you town and not saying much beyond that)- DeasVail
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Aristophanes read: I previously suspected Aristophanes. I felt that his approach to the Adorable wagon in posts such as 113 were indicative of scum not thinking too hard about players' alignments. I also felt that his approach to the game was more one of commentary than actually getting stuck in. I was even initially skeptical of Ari's catchup posts because I have found previously that big posts commenting on posts as you reread a game can be an easy way to look busy as scum.
However, my read has changed. I think a big reason for the read change is Ari's very loose references to his own meta and tendency to be read as fake. (Example 385) It feels as if it's done in a very relaxed way to me and the way that it is integrated into Ari's posts feels more as if it's what he's thinking at the time as he writes the posts rather than included with any kind of real agenda, which is what it would be if it were from scum.
Just a lot of the ways in which Ari references his own efforts put into the game (e.g. 412 feel organic. As scum, I feel like Ari would need to second guess talking about how much effort the game is for him and feeling drained (would people take that to mean that he is more likely to be scum?) whereas I interpret it as a true sense of how Ari is feeling and again the looseness of it feels more like town.
To be honest the comparison between beeboy and xof in 460 is so ridiculous and I feel like a scum-Ari that has the ability to fake posts that I liked from above, would also have the ability to avoid such a dissonant comparison between xof and beeboy.- DeasVail
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In post 639, Creature wrote:
The game is stagnant and that's probably because scum are fine with the current gamestateIn post 638, Adorable wrote:On 400 I saw you put Augustus as green and what made you change your mind all of a sudden?
In post 642, Creature wrote:Probably just hellbussing beeboy
Your approach is not congruent with your answer then.In post 641, Creature wrote:
JackshitIn post 640, DeasVail wrote:If beeboy were scum, what do you think the other scum would be doing?
And I see you have realised that in your most recent post. But I don’t really believe that you are worried enough about the stagnant gamestate for that to be the main reason behind you scumreading someone you previously thought to be town- DeasVail
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Your most recent three scumreads were beeboy, reck and Sirius.In post 643, Creature wrote:Though it looks kinda weird for the thread to be this inactive. I'd expect at least more movement to set themselves to live longer to endgame
Do you expect Sirius as scum to do shit?
Reck has posted an in depth reads list and if you thought he was scum then he easily fits the brief of setting himself up for endgame.
What are you expecting your scumreads to be doing that they aren’t doing?
Is movement to try to set yourself up for endgame what you are doing right now?
Are you worried abort the scumreads on you and trying to do something to change them?- DeasVail
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Yeah I’m getting thereIn post 648, petapan wrote:i was going to ask why DV was scumreading creature since it's the first he's mentioned it but it looks like he's getting into that
VOTE: the bulge
i've kinda accepted beeboy is just going to disappear so i'll vote somewhere that might react
Will see where things go and maybe talk more about it in a bit
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I’m not quite as concerned about bulge right now as other people seem to be. I don’t really have much to justify a read either way right now, but I have a feeling it’ll be town- DeasVail
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Oh okay that’s a pretty good read bulge, I’m intrigued.
I don’t entirely buy the read, and I think that the earliest point about your interaction could just be Datisi trying to pressure/sort you and not really thinking about how he looks from it. Feels a bit overtly manipulative to come from scum, while being manipulative as town can be totally normal.
I’m prepared to reconsider my stance ultimately but I doubt I vote to elim Datisi right now/soon- DeasVail
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You seem oddly unnervedIn post 668, petapan wrote:we're on page 27 and you're basing a case on someone on jokey self-awareness come the fuck on
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No I think you’re scumIn post 725, RCEnigma wrote:My slot hasn't posted prior to my rep in so I'm assuming you mean unreadable, but treating as scum.- DeasVail
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I have talked about this a fair bit in other posts which you probably haven’t caught up to yet. 376 is a good summary I think.In post 726, RCEnigma wrote:The early pressure on adorable is both A.) Easily read as a gauge on pushable slots (read as elimmable) and B.) An easy way to look busy early.
DV what were you looking for when you questioned adorables vote initially? Pressuring them into thinking they NEED a solid reason to throw down an rvs vote looked very strong armish.
In response to your other question, it had nothing to do with familiarity. I thought that a teammate would be quite interested in making a read on the main pusher of adorable at the time
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I’m just clarifying that it is a read and not an assumption in the absence of content.
I don’t want to be rude because replacing into this slot as scum would be awful but your posting has made me more confident in the slot being scum than I was previously and I feel the need to express that.- DeasVail
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Creature and RCE are my scumreads. But otherwise yesIn post 742, Sirius9121 wrote:
so basically you have 10 town reads, 1 null read and 1 scum read?In post 741, DeasVail wrote:That’s my null/undecided/no idea section- DeasVail
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Why are you expecting a wagon on you? I don't think there are many, if any, votes on you now.In post 749, Creature wrote:
Me too, but I don't want to end up being pressured all day tomorrow and feel unable to scumhunt due to that wagonIn post 734, DeasVail wrote:VOTE: RCEnigma
I’m fine if people want to wait and see more, but I think I’ve seen enough to be comfortable with an elimination here- DeasVail
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I am only going to be peripherally available for the next few hours but my decision to vote RCE and comfort with eliminating him was based on believing his posts upon replace-in to be much more indicative of scum than of town, particularly the topics that RCE was deciding to focus on felt much more like scum trying to create content than actually forming an understanding of the gamestate and developing reads (e.g. fixation on my push of Adorable). This is something that I’ll be able to go more in-depth on later when I have the time and am at my computer. And I’ll also be considering any posts RCE has made in the meantime and sharing my thoughts on them.- DeasVail
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Why I still think RCEnigma is scum:
In summary, the posts made by RCE to me are indicative, not of someone who is trying to actually work out what's going on in the game, but of someone trying to post content and look like they're doing stuff. Obviously town want to post content too, but the first priority is actually deciding "what do I think is happening here? Who is town? Who is scum?" As scum in RCE's position, replacing into a slot under pressure, the priority is more along the lines of "quick! I need to look like I'm town and solving!"
The priorities are different.
I believe RCE's posting fits into the "quick! I need to look like I'm town and solving category".
Firstly, in 721, he comes up with a shortlist poe of three people, from the first 7 pages of the game. I believe this to be incredibly unnatural. Firstly, because of coming up with a poe team from the first 7 pages of the game when there's much more than that and he clearly hasn't caught up. But why as town are you even making yourself come up with a scumteam of 3 7 pages into a catchup anyway. The most likely explanation for this is so that he's looking like he's scumhunting, rather than natural scumhunting itself.
Similarly 722 reverts to commenting on how many scum are on the wagon, which is superficial and one of the easiest things to talk about as scum.
Consistent with my thoughts on the above is RCE's focus on the push of Adorable. If he was actually interested in reading me, a quick ISO (I don't have that many posts) would reveal my reasons for voting Adorable and also my pattern of going hard on pressuring people and re-evaluating my reads (examples being Adorable and Aristophanes). My approach this game has very clearly been to be aggressive, which RCE has noted, but I think the attempts to twist it as agenda-driven don't hold up with what I have posted. My coming around to a townread on Adorable was influenced by Peta's post, but with both Adorable and Aristophanes, there was still substantial suspicion and pressure from the game in general when I formed a townread. And I believe RCE has either ignored or hasn't thought to look for evidence that contradicts his thinking in relation to my slot. Similarly, he has ISO'd random people like Sirius but not me, despite being suspicious of my intimidation tactics. It doesn't fit with what I expect from town here.
I don't see anything in RCE's posts that is inconsistent with what I expect from scum in this position. Not all scum are going to be like beeboy and not post. Scum are supposed to try and look town, they're supposed to produce content and avoid being eliminated. This is exactly what I think RCE is doing.- DeasVail
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What makes you feel that I'm being ignored?In post 850, Creature wrote:
Likely we'll compromise on RCE anyway but we can't ignore DeasVail foreverIn post 839, xRECKONERx wrote:DV wagon would be hella bad- DeasVail
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My reads are sort of made with the expectation that there will be scum in my townreads, hence the decision to also be thinking carefully about the strength of read. I've used that approach to reads when I've hydra'd with Regfan and for me it works very well in forcing re-evaluation and reconsidering both townreads and scumreads, which is why I decided to use it here. Those towards the lower end of my townreads in particular (petapan, The Bulge, Summer Nights) are people that I still think are potential scum and I pay a lot of thought to the posts they make as well. And even though it may not be evident, I do think a lot about my existing townreads and confirm that I still believe they are town.In post 869, Datisi wrote:deas, should i scumread you for the fact that you don't seem to be worried *at all* about the fact you have 9 townreads, 1 null, and 2 scumreads in a game that is 9:3 (from town!you pov), and aren't even trying to fact check and see if you're wrong anywhere, while you're just making sure that the rce wagon goes through?
For example, xofelf calling for action despite being ultimately very passive and disengaged bothered me at surface level, however I have decided that it is probably more indicative of town because it is consistent with my own familiarity with xof and I think scum would be more aware of their own lack of involvement.
Reckoner at times being a bit vague or appearing low in conviction has bothered me, but overall I still read Reckoner's involvement in the game to be very town and have not found justification to seriously suspect him yet.
Just some examples of thoughts I've had that haven't been important enough for me to post, except now for the sake of giving you insight into my thoughts. <3- DeasVail
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I would actually love some elaboration on this. Why is it bad? Is it because you disagree and think RCE is town? The game needs to know.In post 871, Creature wrote:Also 865 is very bad- DeasVail
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My initial impression has been that you’re both town. I think that it was a weak case but I don’t agree with others in thinking that bulge is scummy for it.
I think I feel similar about you and bulge to how you feel about me, which is why I understand your enthusiasm to see a case on me. I felt the same way about a case on you.
But RCE is a case where everything lines up with what I expect from scum (unlike previous pushes of mine) and so I would be concerned about the elimination not going through. At this stage, providing a push to help make that happen is my main priority.
I think that a lot of Creature’s posts are overly vague/unhelpful/not thought through, but I still find myself questioning whether that actually comes from scum or not.
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