Micro 997: Superb Idea Mafia - GAME OVER

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Boo.

VOTE: OutWorldER

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VOTE: WhemeStar

Scum confirmed.

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Meh, if we're gonna miselims, I'm probably not a bad option

Oh, obligatory question.

Does town want to eliminate scum or 3p?

well thats a claim if there ever was one.

The question upon the table now would be are you 3rd party willing to claim and town side? or are you going to be an openly rogue element?

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Meh, if we're gonna miselims, I'm probably not a bad option

Oh, obligatory question.

Does town want to eliminate scum or 3p?

well thats a claim if there ever was one.

The question upon the table now would be are you 3rd party willing to claim and town side? or are you going to be an openly rogue element?

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I'll definitely play for town, isn't that what I'm doing?

hmmm, then you can live.

I wont be scared to speed hammer you if I get suspicious though.

Koba be drunkposting again apparently

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VOTE: koba

Really going for policy in this kind of game? tsk tsk. What if mom is a jester?

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oh is this a spicy meta? sounds spicy, I will be disappointed if it isnt.

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Unless otherwise stated, upon completing win condition, the third party player leaves the game and can joint with town or mafia.

From the Superb Idea thread.

Momrangal is absolutely a good policy here, and I think she's likely to be scum regardless.

That said

VOTE: WhemeStar

don't like their progression on the previous page, want to poke around a little bit and it's still early in the day.

amusing.

Why not follow the policy lim?

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Well i am secure in my vote.

Time for a clean cup!

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that said, the leaves in the old cup say mom from this angle... I'm not sure...

I wont hesitate to quickhammer either way.

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I'm simply aware of the legends of drunkoba.

Wheme seems keen to claim, and rather defensive about this whole thing. VOTE: Whemestar for E-2

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I'm simply aware of the legends of drunkoba.

Wheme seems keen to claim, and rather defensive about this whole thing. VOTE: Whemestar for E-2

What do you think of me claiming?

What do you think of Gamma Emerald?

I think they're a tad suspicious. There is enough from them to appear part of the game, however, like my rather mad friend, the Hare over there.. they seem rather distracted by the tableware.
I quite quite see how Bugspray is best removed, the bugs around here are rather awful... Now the last time I encountered one of those bug I had discovered it built a rather elaborate house into my chair leg, they had not anticipated my weight you see, and I required a new chair.

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oh wait Hatter changed his vote

so I guess it's just bugspray that's awful

It is rather bad etiquette to be so rude, madam. As strange as things are at my table, we do attempt to remain pleasant.

Now Wheme, I see your posts contain less content than the cracked teapot over by your side, perhaps you'd care to enlighten us as to your current thoughts?

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There is an incredible lack of reads or anything worthy to take particular note of. Votes aren't justified at all and you'd be forgiven for thinking they're still in RVS right up until the moment they became even slightly under fire.

I will confess there are worst ISO's available to peruse, however, I feel Wheme is the only I'm most like to resolve a read upon.

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It would appear you've made a total of 5

RVS compromises of two of those votes, the third is for Momrangal as a response to a request for you reads on two players. the next is for Gamma Emerald as a sheep vote, and finally placed upon myself with no reasoning whatsoever.

Now the matter of the Hatter is thus, you vote upon me seems to be one of voting for the sake of voting.
While I've been in your ISO I took the liberty to search for both myself and Gamma Emerald, you make almost zero mention of either of us, quite frankly.

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I have zero interest in your claim beyond curiosity of your eagerness to convey it. That upon further analysis that I became more sure of my stand when I had learned that your interactions and content are quite lacking in information for anyone to work with beyond the defensiveness of your claim.

What of your reason for voting me? Unless we're all quite mistaken the only reasoning you have provided is that we are fishing for claims, and frankly we had to fish quite well for that, celebratory tea I think while that fish cooks... must remember to add some salt..

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Now the matter of the Hatter is thus, you vote upon me seems to be one of voting for the sake of voting.
While I've been in your ISO I took the liberty to search for both myself and Gamma Emerald, you make almost zero mention of either of us, quite frankly.

Idk dude thats just how I play mafia Im not great at explaining things

The etiquette here genuinely leaves much to be desired. I would ask you do not refer to me as "dude".
That aside, it is quite a simply matter to have justification for those you wish to eliminate.

I just don't see town motivatoin from like any of your posts.

And from yours, I see little more than opportunistic blunder with no motivation except self-preservation by presenting an extreme emotional response hoping to stir us into moving away from you.

wheme town

I would assume this comes from the interactions between Whemestar and I?

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Also, tea is straight Null. Their argument against you is entirely reasonable and based off the content in the game. You are blatantly sheeping others into the game, including me onto OWER even though you have a scum read on me.

At the same time , tea party doesn't give much of their own reads and expand on what they are thinking on their reads and keen on pushing the cases others put forth

You have but to simply ask...

I am of the belief that:
Bugspray appears to be missing from this game.
Dkkoba is unusual, I am struggling to consistently obtain a read here. The Legends that have reached me are of a much more imposing being.
Gamma Emerald seems quite passive. There was some spark initially, and they seem to have become more of a narrator than a player. This does not provided me with a positive impression at this time.
Momrangel is town, an excellent gambit such as that is impressive for D1 and got exactly the result expected.
OutWorldER also seems to be struggling to project much of himself into the game.
Pirate Mollie I'm inclined to townbin. I have been able to develop of more a read here in 10 posts than I have on Dkkoba and OutWorldER, even if it was just a town lean...
Titus I am I happy being town for now, Ms Sandiago seems rather talented at making a solid position known and yet seems to be constantly just out of reach.
Whemestar is my elimination of choice currently, given their evasiveness and sheer unwillingness to provide suitable game driving input.

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That DkKoba is only 3rd in post rankings is... well frankly I lack to words to describe the level of my amusement and amazement.

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ok bugspray is clear of groupscum

And therefore sadly you are not. The Legends that have reached my table are of a posting machine, regardless of being stirred into action or otherwise. Why, The Legends speak of the Bored DkKoba being quite an aggressive poster and taking on many points at once!

As for our yappy Outworlder friend, perhaps prod and poke the people who are here and active, to refine your reads and such? You are not appreciative of the narrative formed by Momrangel and myself, why? What of the case presented does not appear good to you? What would your options be should a Vigilante place you in a do or fade situation?

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ok bugspray is clear of groupscum

And therefore sadly you are not. The Legends that have reached my table are of a posting machine, regardless of being stirred into action or otherwise. Why, The Legends speak of the Bored DkKoba being quite an aggressive poster and taking on many points at once!

As for our yappy Outworlder friend, perhaps prod and poke the people who are here and active, to refine your reads and such? You are not appreciative of the narrative formed by Momrangel and myself, why? What of the case presented does not appear good to you? What would your options be should a Vigilante place you in a do or fade situation?

a vig? prob just goad them into shooting me bc i dont do well with those kinds of threats.

your assumption of my playstyle being alignment indicative is a bit of a reach. im waiting on a reaction from my primary suspect - and momrangel's line doesn't quite interest me because it feels fudged although i think they lean town for their play thus far.

Though the question was not aimed at you, your response is appreciated. I do not fully believe your behaviour truly alignment indicative - simply a matter for concern that The Legends may have exaggerated you a touch. Your responses since are beginning to live up to the bar that has been provided to me that represents the standard of your play.

In addition to this, you are quite firmly null at this point, and my expectations of your play have not factored into that read.

I do see your points on Gamma Emerald as being valid, yet find it quite concerning you're willing to verify a players site activity in such a way.

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Because quite frankly we don't know an individuals circumstances. To factor in play elsewhere on site would require actively stalking that players games to gauge their activity in those games and then utilise potential discussion of those games.

I, myself, have my site presence hidden beyond the posts I make. I do recall seeing a game where a player was called out for inactivity and thread dodging as they were dealing with a conversation in another game at the time.

We do not know external circumstance. The content is what a slot should be judged on. Unless DkKoba is able to provide proof without falling foul of the site rules of play, then for me it will not be considered.

For example, I was curious about Bugsprays' post and did a little investigation. The conclusions of which I will not reveal, as it is not alignment indicative nor should it be.

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Perhaps you missed the part where I investigated how many other games our dear Bugspray is in?

I would much rather keep my efforts to the game where they belong. By all means, you may do as you wish and use this "tell"; however, I will not.

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Forgive me if I'm wrong, DkKoba, but you stated a 3p policy removal. Surely if this is the case your vote would firmly be placed upon Momrangel or Whemestar?

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DkKoba was the one to claim the role and result.

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Hmm, I was under the impression both had claimed. It appears Momrangal softed at best. Interesting.

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He doth protest too much, methinks.

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Depression is a mighty beast, Titus. Make sure you look after yourself, take your medications, drink water, et cetera et cetera.

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I am greatly amused DkKoba. For me there is little to conclude as of now. As you're aware with have little confirmable information to work with, and so I simply working with the information I have.

Meanwhile, you remain firmly upon your seat staring into another player as though there is nobody else here to interact with.

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I am greatly amused DkKoba. For me there is little to conclude as of now. As you're aware with have little confirmable information to work with, and so I simply working with the information I have.

Meanwhile, you remain firmly upon your seat staring into another player as though there is nobody else here to interact with.

As am I, but i am trying to spark something by outting what conclusions i do feel comfortable with atm. I think theres a bit to conclude actually - for example; one could easily eliminate a few scum pairings based on interactions.
But why did you discredit me further here? I'm pushing interactions by stating a PoE ive narrowed down early so far - i think theres some merit to my read so far - if it's wrong you should be showing me I'm wrong rather than telling me im doing nothing.

If I am correct, your current evidence is based entirely upon stalking the players out of game activity, following them across the site and see where they post and when.

As I said, I became curious as to bugsprays comment about being in too many games.

I consider these the be outside of the game and while they may be acceptable tells upon this forum, that does not obligate me into using them or considering them.

The conclusion there, if I may be so frank, is that you are pulling evidence from between your cheeks and placing it for consideration upon a silver platter.

Given Gamma Emeralds reaction in post 296 - I fully agree. My own disabilities mean I am limited to the amount of effort I can produce in a game, and will remaining exclusively within the realms of mini and micro games in recognition of that, despite that on occasion I would be fully able to muster the energies and efforts require to fully participate within the larger games here.

Your consequential assault upon Gamma Emerald has the rancid stench of a Victorian Pickpocket upon it. By now you are aware I am no stranger to these games and formats, and Gamma Emerald could have simply been checking for sanities.
VOTE: DkKoba

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Given that I have already shown I am quite aware of how these games work, my familiarity of the mechanics and such; do you really believe if I was indeed scum with Gamma Emerald I would take such a hardline defensive position knowing full well that if we are both mafia aligned I am placing myself firmly upon the chopping block?

Gamma Emeralds' response will be considered, assuming it comes. For now you seem so incredibly focused upon Gamma Emerald I don't see you making any viable links or connections.

The basis of my case upon you, should you perhaps read it, is that I find your case on Gamma Emerald to be over exaggerated and reinforced using out of game information that would require us to verify it on our own as you discussing it would be a breach of the site rules.

That you are unmoving on this, I find alignment indicative of Mafia attempting to take out threatening LHF. That you have taken the stance you have with Gamma Emerald and not with Bugspray whom at the time from my own curiosities was quite active elsewhere on the site appears opportunistic.

I find Gamma Emeralds emotional response entirely reasonable. I, to, would have checked the appropriate thread to confirm if such a role exists and its sanity due to the only other option being to enter a challenge against a guilty result while only having blanks to fire.

That this game has in itself degenerated into using outside tells to verify a case and I find it abhorrent.

That you have then gone on inform me how to read you is further solidifying my suspicions on your slot.

There is no reason for Town to lie, and yet, you have.

Now if you will kindly your red velvet covered form and remove it from my face, I would be most grateful.

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I will say it again.

I find Gamma Emeralds emotional response to be entirely justified.

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yes but i dont want a 3p to pretend they lolhammered just to survive.

VOTE: Gamma

My my my!

It would appear our concerns over the alignment of WhemeStar have truly been confirmed.

This will be an interesting night.

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While I have a moment, molla is correct in that the only day cop variant that is in the superb idea thread is one that reveals the alignment in thread and the cop suicides that night.

I do agree with hatter that gammas response isnt overblown here, but I'm not keen on his play regardless. He would be annoyed at that kind of push regardless of his alignment so his emotional outburst isnt doing anything for me.

I also disagree with Hatter scum because I don't think he would go to bat so hard for a buddy this early knowing it's going to put him under negative fire come tomorrow.

I do beg your pardon, miss, but I am not a he, and more a they.

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Oh look a retaliation vote.

I simply do not believe that your case is a valid basis for an elimination. For investigation, yes. It is always good to pull at a few strings.

How you ever considered that my behaviour might be quite odd, because I am quite odd?

Has it not become clear to you that my style of play is intended to be oddly behaved? You are quite a curious entity DkKoba; as when presented with a face you are unfamiliar with you take a more stubborn stance. Yet with one you know you tend to be rather more amused.

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I stand my points, there is no reason for town to lie and you have done so repeatedly; as well as going well beyond the realms of the game in an attempt to incriminate a player when there is no reason to.

I am sorry to disappoint you, but you are wrong; and in time you will see.

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I can certainly promise you I will not be eliminated today - unless I am eliminated without being asked to claim. Especially so, given that unlike yourself - I do actually operate my ability during the day.

Claiming to be a Jester is what I would consider to be an incredibly suboptimal move regardless of alignment. The discussion that followed engaged the game as a whole and generated discussion; not only that the claim has ultimately identified whom our Third Party player is. This was a risk/reward strategy.

DkKoba's claim has been focused on one player, has no generated little engaging reads overall and had drawn focus to a small handful of players. The only way any other player was going to become part of that to either disperse it or expand its potential for read building and solving was to place themselves firmly in the firing line. This is tunneling and using out of game information to assault another player. There is no risk here.

This is the difference to me, Momrangel took a risk - you did not.

Neither of you should have lied, in my opinion; however, there is a clear and distinct difference in the methodology, risk and result.

That you are tunnelled, DkKoba, speaks volumes.

So, I will put to you, given that I will not be eliminated today, and assuming you gain no further traction nor support for Gamma Emerald - where else do your reads lie?

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Given all I have said in this post, it would be wise to consider any sort of hammer upon me a scumclaim.

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Oh, and for what it's worth, I would consider Momrangel a greater priority night target than yourself, DkKoba.

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quote my lies btw -> and if you do actually quote them I suggest you find a good reason for them to be scum motivated. because i know the things ive lied about and none of them are scummy as you are trying to claim.

I would also deem this to be a strawman defence, for the record. As well as attempting to establish a burden of proof upon me when there is an existing pattern of you requesting this information just to simply ignore it.

Also given you have given no proof of your own claims, I have no intention to provide what has already been confirmed by another player.

Because I consider your behaviour anti-town, I do not have to consider it scum-motivated.

What I do consider to be scum motivated, is the sum of your actions.

The initial claim, is not scum motivated. The claimed result is questionable and potentially anti-town due to the potential to misleading nature of it.

The tunnel attempt thereafter and additional "evidence" presented I believe to be scum motivated, it is using out of game arguments and justifications to eliminate a slot.

The subsequent reaction to the emotional reaction, then jump upon myself for "defending scum" reads to me as boredom and knowing your elimination is not going to proceed - and you appear to be pushing me based on a proven conclusion over assumed conclusion.

So, perhaps come back to me once you have re-established yourself, removed your blinkers and have a viable reason that is not based on exaggeration, fallacy and associatives that do not exist.

I look forward to seeing your response and your other options. If I am quite honest, I don't believe you have any.

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Then the loss is yours, and my read is reinforced. I have provided the information or reasoning, you - as predicted - are choosing to ignore it.

You are willing to go and dive through out of game information, therefore a failure to read information in game is entirely upon you.

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Why would I activate my powers simply upon your command?

You have proven nothing thus far, and made much more noise than I.

I do not appreciate being accused of gaslighting. Gaslighting is the act of emotional manipulation by painting myself as the inconvenienced or condemned party by your actions, I do not believe I have done any such thing.

Now with such an accusation of abusive tactics I would suggest you press the report button, and shut thine trap.

I will stand by my read on you, I have justified my read on you, your ignorance is not my problem nor my concern, as I will see you eliminated.

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Place yourself within the bin, and see yourself out

I do not take accusations of such abuse lightly. I do not take a personal attack lightly.

I will not engage with you further.

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[i]gaslighting (present participle)[/i]
manipulate (someone) by psychological means into doubting their own sanity, memories, or their reality.

Again, take your accusations, place them and yourself within the bin, and see yourself out. As someone who has been subjected to years of gaslighting, I kindly ask that you quite frankly make like the wind and blow.

You have admitted you have lied, others have seen your lies and confirmed them, now begone.

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With regards to the game state, I feel it has stalled and become toxic.

With regards to the game as a whole, I do find the variations of reads and intensities to be quite curious. There are a number of town reads, and the majority of my elimination pool compromises of players who I fully suspect will bloom and show their colours in time.

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I also fully declare that I will no longer interact with DkKoba as their toxicity and wilful ignorance is aggravating; and the accusations of abuse are nothing less than abhorrent.

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Gamma: I had solid town but don't remember why

When did this happen? You were voting him when you went vla and I think you still are.

Correct. Gamma Emerald is at E-1 and I would consider a hammer here to be a negative indicator due to their absence.

Let’s just hammer and get this day over with

This is not town.

Agreed. Given I believe they are Third Party I am happy to eliminate this slot.

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I also fully declare that I will no longer interact with DkKoba as their toxicity and wilful ignorance is aggravating; and the accusations of abuse are nothing less than abhorrent.

It's wild that you think "provide proof or stop accusing me of stuff thats false" is toxic to you.

Your inconsistent behaviour is as infuriating as your toxicity. You admitted you lied, another player had confirmed it. Your toxicity is from many sources.

You have successfully aggravated two players within this game. Not only that your read upon Gamma Emerald has entirely reversed.
Your interrogation methods are repugnant.
Your attitude towards the burden of proof and ignoring proof when it is presented is nauseating.
Your accusations of abuse are down right absolutely and inexcusably vile, odious, distasteful and are in themselves an act of abuse by the act of role reversal placing yourself as the victim while you are the aggravator.

Now leave me be you absolute stain.

@Mod V/LA 24h

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You have no idea how much joy it brings me that someone else decided to use my linguistic lark.

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I think pirate is third party

An interesting conclusion, would you care to elaborate?

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Well, I won't lie, that is most disappointing.

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I am here, present, correct, whole and unaffected.

As I have said previously, there are greater threats to me as scum than DkKoba. Given that Gamma Emerald flipped as an outsider party - DkKobas read on me was not worth the remaining leaves in the pot.

Kudos to them, however, as their Gamma Emerald read - while not accurate - was still anti-town.

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I do hope we see more from Pirate Mollie over the day, however, I have no reason to believe OutWorldER would falsify this claim.

VOTE: Momrangel which places her at 1 vote until exile.

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trying to spin me as confscum when DkKoba (who had me as locktown after Gamma flip) was the night elim and the fact that I have no reason to fake a guilty on you here, much less one with this much room for error is pretty fuckin rich.

At this point I'm just waiting on Mollie to confirm or deny if they had protected you/blocked me and then hammering you. If my guilty is a false positive I probably want Hatter today instead and Pooky can shoot you tonight.

You have only to ask, my sweet. Oh, and as I have stated before, I am not being exiled in this game.

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I have had a most bizarre idea.. Pardon me for a moment, while I seek clarification.

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It is unfortunate, but my exploits will not suffice for the vision I had seen.

Do continue

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My role will become clear soon.

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UNVOTE:

For safety.

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And as the curtain is cast aside, I find myself declared Mayor. My vote upon Mother Dearest will secure her exile as I declare my intent. As now I stand centre stage, I have nowhere to run, nowhere to hide, and cannot be protected.

The foulness that courses through seeking to destroy the town are now left with a dilemma... Take out the mayor from the knoll, or risk a shot into the gathered masses and potentially disabling those who would see them exiled with proof.

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{I would apologise for being a touch more dramatic than usual, but as you can likely guess, I enjoy it.}

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I simply await confirmation from Mollie that I will not be protected, as it will be a wasted action.

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can we not like slam dunk mom

like even if she's super likely scum here

i wanna think if we have some kind of mech way to force a win regardless of whether mom or OWER r the scum in this

Given that I have not already shifted my spotlight, but merely claimed intent - I would think it clear that I am willing to distract Time as much as possible before he begins to call the end of the day.

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Dropping my persona ever so slighty, its quite tiring maintaining such elegance.

That was a rather unfortunate setup for the scum team, a valiant effort on their behalf, however, and I would be more than happy to play future games of this. May I /pre-in for future events?