TM 2021: A normal roguelike

[Creature]

Should vote Bulge with me, Creature

I want the VC just to be safe

[Creature]

am at work rn VOTE: xofelf

xof teetered on me back and forth for the game, defending sometimes sometimes not, their name got floated around and they came around and had suddenly decided i’m scum and now here we are

idk how they reacted around rce but i can read when i’m home, just like. ya

Kinda afraid of voting xofelf rn

[Creature]

They have 2 votes on them now

Okay

VOTE: The Bulge

[Creature]

That leaves:

Sirius9121
Aristophanes
Summer Nights
xofelf
DeasVail
The Bulge
xRECKONERx

I hate how townreading any of these players makes me feel wrong.

[Creature]

Meh. Bulge's claim somewhat helps narrow down the PoE.

[Creature]

That leaves:

Sirius9121
Aristophanes
Summer Nights
xofelf
DeasVail
The Bulge
xRECKONERx

[Creature]

What do you all think about Sirius?

[Creature]

What a wreck this day is

[Creature]

How long until you all actually look at xofelf/DeasVail?

[Creature]

We still can test plenty of other mislynch options until we finally conclude Deas/xofelf prob contains scum.

[Creature]

what's the case, Creature

Do you think there's any scum among us? The ones who've been just pushing every mislynch in the book while scum can just sit back and watch town devour itself?

[Creature]

VOTE: Datisi

I know this is probably unpopular but it’s where my head is at. I would want either Ydrasse or Datisi elim’d today.

I will make a comprehensive post explaining my thoughts soon.

Datisi is a terrible idea. She can't be scum unless she was the one who killed petapan.

[Creature]

I suppose if scum was aware of Bulge's role they'd probably send someone scummier to kill and clear themselves.

[Creature]

Who tf are we gonna push?

[Creature]

i thought you thought deas is scum?

Now I'm not sure

[Creature]

why

I dunno if this feels like DV's sxumgame as I remember it

[Creature]

Why are you all reading Sirius as town?

[Creature]

Creature, have you really not rolled scum in almost 2 years?

Pretty sure I rolled scum somewhere in 2020

[Creature]

Creature, have you really not rolled scum in almost 2 years?

Pretty sure I rolled scum somewhere in 2020

Found one

[Creature]

Jesus man...

[Creature]

I think we should make this Ari vs Deas

[Creature]

If someone can get the VC, maybe we can distribute the votes so both options are L-1 and someone, probably The Bulge, gets to choose someone.

[Creature]

I'm unconfident on both of them and I'm not sure they may contain scum, but we gotta pick one lynch that won't be potentially catastrophic.

[Creature]

Aw man

[Creature]

I have no more patience for this game

[Creature]

Scum is probably getting harddefended by someone who is refusing to reevaluate their reads

[Creature]

Hence why we keep walking in circles

[Creature]

Votecount 2.7

• Sirius9121 (He/Him)(1) - Aristophanes
• Augustus Caesar (He/Him) (0)
• Aristophanes (He/Him)(2) xRECKONERx, The Bulge
• Datisi (He/Him)(0)
• Ydrasse (She/Her)(1) xofelf,
• Creature (He/Him)(0)
• xofelf (They/Them)(1) Ydrasse
• DeasVail (He/Him)(0)
• The Bulge (Any/Any) (5) Augustus Caesar, Datisi, Creature, DeasVail, Adorable
  
• Adorable (She/Her)(0)
• xRECKONERx (He/Him)(0)

Not Voting (1): Sirius9121,
Deadline: (expired on 2021-02-14 04:00:00)

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A three prize level, but it's hard so it just breaks even.

UNVOTE:

hop the fuck off of this trash push

Hopkirk is very offended by this hate speech

UNVOTE: The Bulge

hop also wants to clarify he hasn't read up and intends to this weekend

VOTE: sirius

I thought peta faked a crumb here because of the scum informed goon. I have a theory this may have factored into why he was killed first, if scum thought this was the psych/doc crumb

I see. So that's why you voted petapan on day 1 since you must have thought petapan was an informed scum who knew there was a psychologist when they posted get psyched.

UNVOTE:

ok one day 8 hours left. time to get moving.

VOTE: ari

VOTE: Ari L-2

grumble grumble

Would appreciate if people actually came on and answered questions

VOTE: aristophanes

e-1

p-edit: what does impression of fairness mean???

UNVOTE: Ari

honestly, I believe you

it's what I've seen as well comparing any of your scumgames to this game. Your solving is out of its range


aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa

VOTE: deas

UNVOTE: The Bulge

Will be here properly within a few hours.

VOTE: Datisi

I know this is probably unpopular but it’s where my head is at. I would want either Ydrasse or Datisi elim’d today.

I will make a comprehensive post explaining my thoughts soon.

VOTE: sirius

@town
vote deas to have a chance of hitting scum
vote sirius to start cleaning up useless slots that shouldn't get anywhere close to lylo
i'm good with either

VOTE: Deas

VOTE: deas

tbh

VOTE: deas

for now. let's make sure the game doesnt take its usual evening nosedive in activity and stall to a nolim.

[Creature]

DeasVail - Augustus, Datisi, Bulge
Aristophanes - Reck, Ydrasse
Not voting any of the above - Creature, Sirius, Adorable, xofelf, Aristophanes, DeasVail

[Creature]

Grrr

DeasVail's wagon is definitely way townier than Aristophanes'

[Creature]

Grrr

DeasVail's wagon is definitely way townier than Aristophanes'

except it's composed of two players who've been jumping wagons all game and clearly have no idea what they're doing and Bulge.

[Creature]

didn't you want me to be the hammer anyway? what gives

Thought you preferred Ari over DeasVail which makes DeasVail wagon pretty much only Hectic and Datisi.

[Creature]

Quick check at Ari's scumgames, these indicate fairly strongly that Ari is town here.

[Creature]

VOTE: DeasVail

L-2

That or we do a risky flashwagon

[Creature]

Bad thing about VC being 8 pages away is that I can't even tell if this is actually L-2

[Creature]

Hail mary

VOTE: Ydrasse

[Creature]

Hail mary

VOTE: Ydrasse

Creature, remember when you were a mason in PookyVFlavor? Remember how you were scumreading both Ydrasse and I? Remember how we were both town correctly townreading each other?

This is that. Trust my read here.

Ok, I'm listening.

If not Ari, if not Deas, if not Ydra, then who?

[Creature]

I think we're doing fine rn, but time is tight and the consensus options so far all look bad.

[Creature]

Sirius9121
Augautus Caesar - My veto
Aristophanes - My veto
Datisi - Bulge's veto
Ydrasse - Hectic's veto
Creature - My veto
xofelf
DeasVail - Reck's veto
The Bulge - Claimed PR
Adorable
xRECKONERx

[Creature]

Ugh, I don’t know where the vote count is at but I’m town and this has actually been one of the most enjoyable games for me where I’ve felt more engaged than I have been in a game for quite a while so as much as it’s an AtE-like thing to say I would be disappointed if I were eliminated here!

I also think the thoughts on my approach to the RCE-slot don’t make much sense because why would I push him so hard as soon as he replaced in and then unvote after a silly claim? (Maybe so that I could say that, whatever)

Spoiler: Final reads with detailed explanations

What do you think about this post?

[Creature]

Meh, I think I'll end up favoring a DeasVail lynch over Ari or Ydrasse then

[Creature]

I still think all three of them are town

[Creature]

someone here is hard townreading scum and it's fucking with everything

If you mean me townreading Deas, don't worry, I probably won't save them. Still see them more likely flipping town and we going into the night quite disappointed.

[Creature]

I considered Reckscum so many times, but I'm really afraid of mislynching a possible Recktown.

[Creature]

VOTE: DeasVail

It's kind of sad but well

[Creature]

crawls into this thread

please god give me a vc someone anyone listening

DeasVail is at L-2

[Creature]

Do we ever plan a CFD somewhere else or are we just gonna do DV today?

[Creature]

Do we ever plan a CFD somewhere else or are we just gonna do DV today?

If the latter, there's no point waiting for a VC.

[Creature]

Scum theater

[Creature]

Online list has some interesting names

[Creature]

lmao, didn't notice xofelf.

Those names pop up at strange times.

[Creature]

Jesus this is so risky but:

VOTE: Adorable

[Creature]

Deadline: (expired on 2021-02-14 04:00:00)[/area]

[Creature]

Please for the love of god why the FUCK are we not yeeting Ari into the stratosphere.

DV himself is defending Ari though

[Creature]

We're probably going to regret whoever we lynch wrongly here

[Creature]

VOTE: Aristophanes

Yup, I did the full circle back to an Ari v Deas EOD

[Creature]

I'll prob be here for another hour.

[Creature]

I'll prob be here for another hour.

You have that time to push something new if you're not okay with the current wagon(s). Afterward, I'll just jump on the largest wagon.

[Creature]

Deas is town. What can we do now with a tight time?

[Creature]

Hectic, do you stick with your godread on Ydrasse?

[Creature]

VOTE: Adorable

[Creature]

DGB is shouting at me atp

[Creature]

Like, okay, look. I think we go about looking at reasoning fairly differently. Like if you said would Ydrasse do this, I might think about it. But like, there's a lot of stuff that isn't outside of the kind of things scum would do to look town. Like playing in a way to appear like a poor player is entirely within the realm of things people can and do often do. Like I look at Ydrasse's behaviour here, and a lot of her interactions with people specifically look like trying to behave a certain way with certain people to get specific emotional responses. Like, the people she knows, if she says this thing in this way to them, then it'll give them good feelings and vibes so of course she has to be town, right? I'm not saying town doesn't do that either, but there is something about the way she does these interactions that feel like a performance or almost gamebotty to borrow an LSG term, it's like if I put enough of the feelings coins into the interaction slot, town reads will pop out.

Maybe Ceph is wrong, but like, I'm playing with him because I trust his reads much more due to more experience than I have. And something just sticks out in a way that doesn't gel right.

P-edit: Lol okay. Well don't apologize, just fix it >:(

DGB really hates this post

[Creature]

Also Adorable's vote on RCE D1 looks the most likely a bus considering it was done after the selfvote and never unvoted.

[Creature]

Deas is town. What can we do now with a tight time?

Why? Because he claimed VT?

All their recent posts too

[Creature]

Also my team agrees Deas is town here

[Creature]

tbh I'm now feeling either xofelf or Adorable as optimal options for today.

Only if we had the enough time...

[Creature]

Aw man I need to go sleep

[Creature]

We might have to lynch a towny player anyway as we waited until there was only six hours left to settle on someone.

[Creature]

VOTE: Aristophanes

[Creature]

Meh, Bulge's role is now completely useless

[Creature]

May as well just use it for doctoring

[Creature]

Fuck I really need a new hobby

[Creature]

Mafia is no longer working for me

[Creature]

Datisi was like the most obvtown player all game and Bulge's result reinforced that.

[Creature]

Btw, do you think it is time to direct Bulge's doctor?

[Creature]

Goddamn though

[Creature]

I think we should use yesterday's chaotic EOD to find scum. There's plenty of reactions to take a look at.

[Creature]

Oh, I guess making a save doesn't actually help if it's only one and puts us on evens

It preserves town though

[Creature]

thanks yall. Adorable? Creature? Hectic?

Meh, just masonhunt.

I feel like scum can easily find the other mason so you should prob do the same.

[Creature]

Ah I'm tired

[Creature]

So what should we do?

[Creature]

Can someone tell me if Adorable's reaction to their nearlynch comes from town?

[Creature]

Man did I find a game more stressing than mafia

[Creature]

I'll assume Ydrasse can only be scum with Hectic.

[Creature]

Feeling so unhappy about all this

VOTE: xofelf

[Creature]

Okay then let's bus Ari

[Creature]

Had some questions for you, Creature

Let me find them first

[Creature]

The DV/xofelf thing was because DGB kept telling me they contained scum. I decided to try to see a world in which both are town because Reck kept insisting they were both town and also both of them shouted me down at some point, so I tried a different perspective.

[Creature]

This game is kind of stuck in a dead end rn

[Creature]

Hectic is hardvouching Ydrasse

Reckoner is hardvouching xofelf and DeasVail

Unless one of them is scum and/or terribly wrong about their reads, that leaves Adorable and Aristophanes for me

[Creature]

Can we trust the scumteam is Ari and Ado or do we have to admit there's scum among those townread circles?

[Creature]

I can easily see an Aristophanes and Adorable scumteam. Though, kinda worries me the possibility we're losing this game because of a wrong townread.

[Creature]

Hectic is hardvouching Ydrasse

Reckoner is hardvouching xofelf and DeasVail

Unless one of them is scum and/or terribly wrong about their reads, that leaves Adorable and Aristophanes for me

You should be developing your own reads rather than following the reads of the majority because sometimes another town player will be town reading a scum player.

Then it os Reckoner towbreading scum!xofelf or Reckoner is scum. Maybe both are harddefending each other.

[Creature]

Maybe because it's gonna be just a boring defense

[Creature]

I think I pointed somewhere why Adorable was scumread

[Creature]

Also Adorable's vote on RCE D1 looks the most likely a bus considering it was done after the selfvote and never unvoted.

Oh, I explained it after voting

[Creature]

That reasoning came up in my team's PT before I even voted Adorable, but I only brought it to this thread after.

[Creature]

That reasoning came up in my team's PT before I even voted Adorable, but I only brought it to this thread after.

Okay, thanks.

What is DGB's read on Deas now?

Last I remember DGB screamed DeasVail is town after he reacted to their nearlynch.

[Creature]

Meh, not sure if Ari flips scum here

[Creature]

Why can't it be Adorable + xofelf?

[Creature]

DGB's been screaming all the day before that xofelf's posts are mostly fillers.

[Creature]

My mislynch won't change shit tomorrow though

[Creature]

It's gonna be the same Hectic shielding Ydrasse and Reck shielding xofelf

[Creature]

petapan died during the night. He was a Vanilla Townie.

Like, this nightkill heavily suggests there's at least one scum member familiar with petapan.

[Creature]

lol what, Reck hasn't been scum in 4 years

Easy when you haven't played in 4 years

[Creature]

I don't understand why you all can so confidently townread xofelf. DGB has been pointing out a lot of their posts and showing how each part is just filler.

[Creature]

The only defense I saw on xofelf was "they responded to pressure with reads" and some variant of too scummy to be scum.

The first must also assume Adorable must be town because she also responded to pressure with reads. And tbh who didn't ever respond with reads? I think I only don't remember DeasVail posting reads to pressure.

The latter has always been "scum!xofelf would be doing more things", which is pretty fallacious. Scum doesn't have to be some Light Yagami deep mind thinker planning every one of their post to follow a scum goal. Sometimes scum can just be running in circles not knowing what to do.

[Creature]

Meh, I think Ari is town

[Creature]

I have no idea how you all are townreading Reck tbh. Like, pretty much everyone, including one of my teammates, say he's town but I'm feeling Reck a bit underwhelming compared to the 2018 edition.

[Creature]

So by alive slots there are:

xRECKONERx - thestatusquo, Cheetory6, AGar
Hectic - Hopkirk, Flopz, Zaiden
Aristophanes - Jingle, Dannflor, Pine
Ydrasse - Infinity 324, Uncrowned, Kanna
Creature - Ramcius, SirCakez, DrippingGoofball
xofelf - zoraster, PrivateI, Cephrir
DeasVail - Ythan, BBmolla, Jake The Wolfie
The Bulge - Gamma Emerald, Dr Easy Bake, Almost50
Adorable - Dunnstral, Akarin, midwaybear

[Creature]

These are the list of players she town read which are Bulge, Hectic, Ydrasse, Datisi and prob Reck. With those players on town read she said the players in the pool would be Sirius, Ari, Creature, xofelf, DV.

This is what Akarin said about Creature. She said there were alot of weird interactions around beeboy, and she said it looked like the scumteam knew he was going down and then she started to wonder how much did they try to save him, if at all and then she thinks one might have bussed. Akarin said Creatures off-and on approach feels like he might be the scum that tries to save beeboy but then Creature pushes RCE after his claim while others are counterwagoning Ydrasse. I asked yesterday if scum does a move like that and this was when Akarin was not caught up at the time.

People I don't want to elim today:

Sirius, Aristophanes, Creature, xofelf, Adorable, xRECKONERx, RCEnigma (there's no real point in an elimination here right now to be honest, regardless of read on the slot)

The rest are potential options in my mind.

Summer Nights is the slot that I feel most indifferent about right now. Pushing there is kind of low value because she's not even really here, but it also feels like the most comfortable place for a vote. And peta voting there is eerie because it was the first thought in my mind when I unvoted as well and a lot of the reasons he has put forward are similar to what I have been thinking.

VOTE: Summer Nights

She said if Bulge claim is true, then the only players DV was willing eliminate on this list were petapan, Hectic, Ydrasse, Bulge, and Datisi, and with her reads, the night 1 flip and the claim, DV was unwilling to vote the entire scumteam and she thinks scum tend to be inclined to put at least 1 of their buddies in their pool, even if they don't vote for them and she guess she'd be less inclined to vote DV.

I said earlier in the game I was leaning town on Ari and Akarin is not and she said if Ari elimination isn't going to go through due to meta + Hectic (which was her take on it) then she says I should vote in Creature, Sirius, xofelf. She also said the argument on Creature being town doesn't make sense from DV and it felt like to her DV is town who sticks their neck out and townblocks the entire scumteam rather than being scum???

[Creature]

I only remember Adorable, Aristophanes and I mentionining our teammate's reads.

[Creature]

Ceph said that if it were him he'd yeet RCE, so sure. I don't know much about balance, but a N1 vig claim doesn't sit right with me, too convenient. And I really want some sort of concrete information, so:

VOTE: RCE

Meh

[Creature]

I think Aristophanes and Adorable are two town and I'll try to work from here.

[Creature]

okay first off, ari, latching onto something i think is incredibly scummy and screaming about it is like literally how i think people should play as town until something is satisfactory

you ask what adorable could've done to answer me. i don't know, EXPLAIN the fucking thought process there? give me SOMETHING to show why they would have contradicted themselves? but they didn't, they just kept dodging and ignoring it, even when *multiple* people pointed it out to them. your insistence that adorable is just weird bc meta and insinuation that it somehow insulates them from any prosecution for doing bad scummy shit is like, buck wild to me. HOWEVER, i will say that at the very least, your overzealous defense of adorable has me thinking that she may actually be town here and you're just latching onto an easy white knight target as scum. like literally nobody else has tried to do what you've tried to do, there's been some light push back, but what you're doing here is just over the top. i have zero faith that you actually believe adorable is as town as you pretend to believe.

that being said, agar sent me a multiple page word doc with his thoughts on the game in stream of consciousness bullet point form. from a skim here are some highlights:
- deasvail +town points for jumping in and not fucking around with RVS detecting enough happened to apply pressure
- adorable reading as newbie/inexperienced, not alignment indicative. overall thinks adorable is being set up to be the token defense for scum to earn townpoints, +townpoints for adorable. (im going to yell at him on voice ab this when we get a chance)
- he's feeling vibes with datisi's posts, same page, likes pressuring/questioning of ari. datisi is a hero for post 280.
- #81 from peta where he votes serious is really weird and #83 doesn't provide any follow, +scum points.
- agrees that xof' 108 is goodposting
- dislikes hectic's whole reaction to me in general, esp 112 which feels overly defensive ab a dumb gimmick, and 145 which either misunderstands (at best) or misrepresents (at worse) my objection to the posting style. 256 reads like TMI from hectic, which would point towards adorable being town. also thinks hectic calling ari's takes on me "okay" is bad bc ari just fabricated them out of nowhere, they were based on 4 posts of nothing and he hadnt explained them at all.
- thinks ari is displaying clear thought processes in general with just shitty logic, +town points for ari
- sirius has done nothing, continues to do nothing, compares him to vezokpiraka which almost made spit out my water
- re: beeboy meta is trash and yeeting lurkers in team mafia is also hot garbage

that's ab it. there's a lot of v inflammatory commentary in here meant only to soothe my ego so ive edited out a lot of it for time. overall, i have some stark disagreements with him (mostly re: adorable & hectic) but the rest of it feels pretty on point.

[Creature]

"re: beeboy meta is trash and yeeting lurkers in team mafia is also hot garbage"

What?

[Creature]

I dunno if we're doing it the right way. I feel like doing me -> Ari -> Adorable probably loses us the game by then.

[Creature]

but it doesn't quite feel like the same sort of lethargy the game is having

Lethargy?

We have just mislynched, I'm about to get mislynched and looks like there are two other mislynches on the line. All because someone probably has their head very up their ass.

[Creature]

you must feel pretty frozen and caught

No, I just have no longer the interest.

[Creature]

I'll probably just ignore what the fucking ever everyone else is saying and go:

VOTE: xRECKONERx

[Creature]

Meh, do whatever. But at this rate you're all going hrough the path pf a town loss. Not even referring specifically to my lynch.

[Creature]

The consensus PoE so far is Ari, Ado and me. Both Ari and Ado feel town, so it's a clear sign town is townreading someone wrongly.

[Creature]

It's prob Reck and xofelf. Could maybe be Deas, but meh, they're playing different from 2018 edition.

[Creature]

Just hold on I'm stuck in a building because of the rain.

[Creature]

Ok, I'm willing to claim first, but we should probably massclaim.

[Creature]

There are alreadt three claims (Bulge, Ari, Deas) and if we're doing a fourth I think we should make everyone claim at this rate.

[Creature]

You should claim first and then argue for why massclaiming is optimal

Vanilla town

Now let's go for the arguing

[Creature]

Even if you think I am scum, it's still most likely there's one scum outside claims

[Creature]

Datisi's ISO already contains a lot of leads for anyone looking for masonhunting

[Creature]

Even if you think I am scum, it's still most likely there's one scum outside claims

Considering scum already knows they're not mason, they're way more likely to hit mason than Bulge is to protect mason.

[Creature]

tbh if Bulge can find the mason so must scum.

[Creature]

If mason were to out rn, Bulge has a 100% chance to target the mason tonight.

[Creature]

The only two downsides of massclaim I can tell is:

Existence of a roleblocker (fairly unlikely considering Bulge got a result last night)
Existence of another PR (though if there is another PR scum has double the chance to hit PR tonight)

[Creature]

The best day to massclaim would be either today or tomorrow. Though, considering we're likely mislynching today, maybe it is better to discuss when we have bigger numbers than after pointlessly mislynching.

[Creature]

I'll probably just ignore what the fucking ever everyone else is saying and go:

VOTE: xRECKONERx

Based on the gamestate rn this was always probably going to be the most likely alternative to you. Not sure why you’re acting like it’s so controversial

Have we started pushing Reck?

[Creature]

Last I remember we had it down to Ari, Ado and me.

[Creature]

Being the most honest possible and not sheeping anyone's reads I'd say scum are Reck and xofelf.

[Creature]

A mass claim doesn’t achieve much at all for town right now

Yah man, but we're probably mislynching me, scum will probably hit mason sooner than Bulge because they have Datisi's ISO and theu can exclude themselves from the pool and we'll go next day 5v2 with an outed near-useless PR and a few VTs.

[Creature]

Why are you so sure I'm town, Creature? I've only been pushing people you townread and townreading people you think are scum

Tbh I was considering you a third option and even considered you and Reck being scum together with a big amount of thread control. Though I talked myself into townreading you for a reason I don't remember.

[Creature]

Last I remember we had it down to Ari, Ado and me.

Adorable I don’t think was ever a serious elim contender. Momentum was shifting away from Ari. Reck is in a lot of PoEs and generally not a strong townread for people.

Last I remember it was Hectic hardshielding Ydrasse, Reck hardshielding you and xofelf and the game thread townreading Hectic and Reck for ??? reasons leaving Ari, Ado and me.

[Creature]

Mason is just confirmed town. I am not that worried

So what makes massclaim a bad idea exactly if it can narrow down the options?

[Creature]

Creature, I want you to explain when you thought beeboy self-voted and how that's been affecting your reads this game.

It was DGB who said Adorable voteparked beeboy after they selfvoted and I didn't bother to check.

[Creature]

You keep saying there's no downside to massclaim, but what's the upside? Scum has perfect setup knowledge anyway, we're unlikely to catch them via bad claims

They might end up just all claiming VT but at least we can clear a few PR claimers.

[Creature]

Yeah, DGB had plenty of VCs posted.

[Creature]

Tgough, just realised beeboy was my error. I should've used RCE instead.

[Creature]

Votecount 1.5

• Sirius9121 (1) - Summer Nights,
• Augustus Caesar (0) -
• Aristophanes (2) - Datisi, The Bulge
• Datisi (0) -
• Summer Nights (0) -
• Creature (0) -
• xofelf (0) -
• DeasVail (0) -
• The Bulge (0) -
• Adorable (1) - xRECKONERx
• petapan (0)
• xRECKONERx (1) - Aristophanes
• beeboy (4) - Augustus Caesar, petapan, beeboy, Adorable

Not Voting (4) : Creature, xofelf, Sirius9121, DeasVail,
Deadline: (expired on 2021-01-29 21:00:00)
With thirteen alive, it takes seven votes to eliminate and seven votes to skip the day's elimination.

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After only movement, the hobgoblin expired as we hoped. No attacking needed.
He will melee attack the gecko. Geckos have such low health that poison darts would be wasteful.

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The first melee attack was a one hit kill, and Untrod Tripod leveled up to level 2. His mana doubled!

This was the VC DGB used to point Adorable never unvoted afterwards.

[Creature]

Votecount 1.F

• Sirius9121 (He/Him)(0)
• Augastus Caesar (He/Him) (0)
• Aristophanes (He/Him)(0)
• Datisi (He/Him)(0)
• Summer Nights (She/Her)(1) DeasVail
• Creature (He/Him)(0)
• xofelf (They/Them)(0)
• DeasVail (He/Him)(0)
• The Bulge (Any/Any) (0)
  
• Adorable (She/Her)(0)
  
• petapan (Any/Any)(1) The Bulge
  
• xRECKONERx (He/Him)(0)
  
• RCEnigma (He/Him)(7) Augustus Caesar, Summer Nights, Adorable, Creature, petapan, xRECKONERx, xofelf

Not Voting (4): Sirius9121, Aristophanes, Datisi, RCEnigma

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RCEnigma has been frozen solid. He was a Mafia Informed.

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Night begins. To maintain consistency with the other games, I won't accept any night actions using discord.

Deadline: (expired on 2021-01-30 21:00:00)

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And in this VC DGB said there must have scum between Reck and xofelf.

[Creature]

DGB had Adorable + xofelf with Reck as alternative.

[Creature]

How can you even gather anything from that VC alone though without knowing the context?

Idk DGB has been pulling votecounts all game. Though I used them knowing the context and I found them agreeable.

[Creature]

And how is Puff's vote suspicious when you don't know the purpose of the self-vote, like whether it was a concede/joke/AtE, and so on.

Sounded like a bus.

It was probably an AtE selfvote from RCE.

[Creature]

If Creature flips town –
then monstro help me. It’s still one of Ari/Reck (probably Ari) and someone in the pentagon. I’ll just enter my final form and re-evaluate EVERYONE if I'm still alive though and we’ll be fine…

It's xofelf and Reckoner

[Creature]

There, I solved the game.

[Creature]

Just lynch them afterward. Anyone else is a mislynch.

[Creature]

xofelf being scum is almost a given. No other scumteam makes sense without them.

[Creature]

I strongly lean Reck being the third one, but I'm not as sure as xofelf.

[Creature]

Still trying to compute who else it could be other than Reck.

[Creature]

Perhaps only DeasVail

[Creature]

Ugh, I don’t know where the vote count is at but I’m town and this has actually been one of the most enjoyable games for me where I’ve felt more engaged than I have been in a game for quite a while so as much as it’s an AtE-like thing to say I would be disappointed if I were eliminated here!

I also think the thoughts on my approach to the RCE-slot don’t make much sense because why would I push him so hard as soon as he replaced in and then unvote after a silly claim? (Maybe so that I could say that, whatever)

Spoiler: Final reads with detailed explanations

[Creature]

Aw man I thought DGB had a lot more material about xofelf's posts being mostly useless fillers.

[Creature]

Hi sorry, the last few days have been a lot IRL. I know I had a couple of questions and comments directed my way which I'll get to as soon as I can. Got a couple of pages to catch up on too. Crossing my fingers that today is better.

God, do I really only have 8 posts? Well, now I feel bad. I know I'm a less talkative player, but damn I didn't realize it was that drastic. Good news though, I think I've fixed my sleep schedule so I'll actually have time to really get into things.

Hi there, was busy when game started up.
I find it interesting that yesterday I was being looked at as being scummy if RCE was town and I hammered, but today now that he's not town, I'm scummy still? But also it was peta who was side-eying me for that hammer, if theoretically I was in fact scum, why the hell would I let that be the shot? I just look at all of these pieces and feel very:

I get Adorable didn't like my previous read on her, or apparently at all how I read anybody, but come on girl. This ain't it. Sirius is right, most of yesterday was gutreads, why are you singling me out for it? Is it just cuz I stated that's how I work or do you just dislike that I thought you and Summer could have been a team so much that you've got your teeth buried into it like a bulldog and you're never going to let it go?

I don't know what to tell you DV. I'm probably just overthinking posts in general. I'm trying to put effort in to be the most helpful I actually can be to make up for having a very broken care meter about most things lately. Sorry about that.

FWIW, Reck is right, really only Ceph is reading everybody else's games, he's our MVP. And is better at explaining me than I seem to be. The post about only having 3 days was not about RCE specifically, but rather the fact that personally I find it difficult to stay engaged with a mafia game, but so much less so when the entire game feels like they aren't engaging much at all. It takes me a lot of effort to any posts because either people are already saying what I want to say in so many more better words than I can and having my iso just be littered with "this" seems counterproductive, or I don't have anything new to contribute.

I remember I had some thoughts about some stuff I was going to post when day started but I have forgotten what they were. If I do remember, I'll come back with them.

Sorry man, lots of text that says nothing sums up my mafia play. Sometimes I have good points, but you kind of get train of thought directly.

I think nice and helpful is NAI. Her end of day felt frustrated, but in a way that felt like town watching the rest of town be idiots for not just killing the obvious scum target and worried that the vote wouldn't go through or another vote would happen. I know she had been put up as a flashwagon, but her reaction didn't read like it was caught scum but rather town being genuinely frustrated and mad that they were even a wagon at all when there was an obvious scum needing to die. It just felt like a genuine reaction to stupidity tbh. Not from a place of guilt.

Acknowledging the prod. But considering there was only a page and a half in the meantime, I didn't exactly feel there was a rush for me to do so earlier like I had initially intended. I was waiting for some more responses, but I guess I'll have to work with what I got, but tomorrow.

Or my entire day got eaten up and I am far too tired to give the post I intended to.

I will say, while I get why Creature is looking at my actions and reasoning them to be bad, I don't typically hammer at all in any game, I rarely vote for that matter. I was trying something new upon the recommendations of the only person in my team actually giving any sort of effort. Adorable I think has just been looking for anybody else to vote me first, so I'm not surprised by that one either.

Hoping today reset my caremeter enough that I can actually jump into this with some excitement. Also maybe I'll start my day with this rather than try to do it later in the day. That might be smarter.

Was planning to read over the slots I actually feel actively meh about, and then decide from there. I like to have an actual something to point at for a reason to vote rather than just "idk, feels good enough to me, rng it" and I don't have enough of that for anybody right now.

I know, and I'm sorry. I've had a lot of RL shit going on. I think the DV wagon is a mistake, I could get behind Ari I guess, but he's not in my top should die list. I know you're confident in your Ydrasse read, but I'm really not, and the more you harp on about how you're 100% right except for that one time, the more I feel even worse about your read. Cuz god, it just feels like she knows how to AtE you just right to save herself and I'm not buying it to be legitimately, I'm just not. Bulge's claim is a good one and I buy it. Datisi and Reck are my top town reads. Sirius is just a slot that isn't doing much, but like could actually just be town. Creature idk where to slot, but i dont' feel bad about it. I think I've explained feeling how i feel about Adorable.

So essentially, I am only down to vote Ari, Ydrasse, or Adorable. That's it. As it is, those are all slots that i feel like knowing their alignment will confirm a lot of things and make the game more solveable.

I've been dealing with a toothache since yesterday, hoping it gets less annoying where it doesn't interfere with thinking as much as it has been today. I will be back with thoughts when they're actually somewhat coherent again.

Very bad brain day today, sorry.

Am reading along, but long thoughts are a nope today.

Pretty much all the posts xofelf has been excusing for their absence.

[Creature]

Oops, I lied. I think I'm missing some.

[Creature]

but it doesn't quite feel like the same sort of lethargy the game is having.

A bad game read.

Town has just gone back into 7v2 with a dead PR which should be probably enough to at least bring town back to square zero and that's not counting the outed claims.

It feels like xofelf failed to tell how town would be feeling now.

[Creature]

Also it's funny because DGB was commenting xofelf seemed demotivated in D2 when town had a way clearer advantage than today.

[Creature]

Like, okay, look.

Filler

I think we go about looking at reasoning fairly differently.

Fencesitting

Like if you said would Ydrasse do this, I might think about it.

Fencesitting

But like, there's a lot of stuff that isn't outside of the kind of things scum would do to look town.

Not solving

Like playing in a way to appear like a poor player is entirely within the realm of things people can and do often do.

More filler

Like I look at Ydrasse's behaviour here, and a lot of her interactions with people specifically look like trying to behave a certain way with certain people to get specific emotional responses.

No real conclusion at all

Like, the people she knows, if she says this thing in this way to them, then it'll give them good feelings and vibes so of course she has to be town, right?

No real opinion here

I'm not saying town doesn't do that either, but there is something about the way she does these interactions that feel like a performance or almost gamebotty to borrow an LSG term, it's like if I put enough of the feelings coins into the interaction slot, town reads will pop out.

Also no real conclusion

Maybe Ceph is wrong, but like, I'm playing with him because I trust his reads much more due to more experience than I have.

Again no solve here

And something just sticks out in a way that doesn't gel right.

More fencesitting

[Creature]

Ceph said that if it were him he'd yeet RCE, so sure. I don't know much about balance, but a N1 vig claim doesn't sit right with me, too convenient. And I really want some sort of concrete information, so:

VOTE: RCE

DGB has said something about this hammer being a clear bus because xofelf didn't seem to have any strong opinion on RCE and suddenly they decide to hammer them which feels like xofelf realized RCE was already beyond save and had to grab some cred.

[Creature]

I don’t believe anything else to be alignment-relevant and I don’t actually get the impression that you believe in the read all that much either?

I believe xofelf's careful play here is very indicative their alignment is scum here.