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Post Post #31  (isolation #0)  » Fri Jan 15, 2021 11:32 pm

HAIL

Greetings all. I am Augustus Caesar of Rome. I've been invited to play this online forum mafia game by an old pal of mine, Hectic. Yes, I understand how the internet works despite being born in 63 BC. And yes, I'm immortal and over 2000 years old - don't ask, it's a long story. People always end up asking and I get tired of telling them the same story over and over again.

ANYWAY... naturally, I have a legion at my disposal. They'll be doing all the town and scumhunting for me while I spectate from the gallows. I'm not actually sure what the word gallows means but I'm hoping it's some kind of regal throne or some kind of nice spectating platform. Would be kinda embarrassing if it means something completely different LOL. Anyways, you should get what I'm going for given my examples so there shouldn't be any problems here.

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Post Post #32  (isolation #1)  » Fri Jan 15, 2021 11:33 pm

In post 30, xRECKONERx wrote:VOTE: xof

i dont think i really need to explain why tbh

me neither tbh

VOTE: xofelf

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Post Post #33  (isolation #2)  » Fri Jan 15, 2021 11:35 pm

i'm caesar's number one man btw
or pokeman i guess
nothing goes to him without going through ME first
just asserting my authority here

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Post Post #38  (isolation #3)  » Sat Jan 16, 2021 12:04 am

Happy Birthday, Summer!

I'm the man who made immortality possible for Imperator Caesar. We're trying to get him in a machine nowadays but he doesn't feel entirely comfortable about the idea. We might lure him into a lab under the pretense of it being gladiatorial combat.

Oh, my apologies, I just felt like laying some backstory and lore on you there. It's a bad habit of mine, so stop me if it gets out of control.

Could I have your signature?

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Post Post #42  (isolation #4)  » Sat Jan 16, 2021 12:16 am

In post 39, petapan wrote:oh man are we actually getting every hectic personality in this game

if so i want to say hi to grumpy cat

HI. I think you pocketed me as scum once or TWICE

That's not why I'm feeling grumpy today though, I don't hold grudges. It's because pichu patted me an even number of times earlier

I hate even numbers

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Post Post #43  (isolation #5)  » Sat Jan 16, 2021 12:21 am

In post 40, Summer Nights wrote:no no, go on with the backstory... it feels like once maybe, in a dream.... we might have spoken of our backstories together. tell me, is there a deep dark story there that only i have the ability to heal?

and i suppose... i'm rather shy about giving it out but for you i'll do it, just this one, do not sell it please

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Oh my, that's a beautiful signature. I shall treasure it always. I'll place it inside a small locked chest inside a slightly larger chest inside a slightly larger chest continued ad infinitum. I find thieves usually give up when they have to break more than 5 locks.

About my backstory... hmm, well, the dream you remember might be me breaking into your room to steal all your jewellery. Times were rough back then and we really needed money to finance Caesar's gambling habits. Just between you and me, it's still pretty bad...

Do you need your stuff back? I'd completely understand if you did and won't hold it against you.

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Post Post #46  (isolation #6)  » Sat Jan 16, 2021 12:37 am

grumble GRUMBLE

Someone pat me, I hate staying on an even number of pats

petapan how do you play scum and town differently? I'm scared of you

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Post Post #47  (isolation #7)  » Sat Jan 16, 2021 12:39 am

Summer HBB headed out to pay off some more gambling debts and will be back later

I don't know if he thinks I'm some kind of errand cat to him but he told me to tell you but I'm not happy about it

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Post Post #50  (isolation #8)  » Sat Jan 16, 2021 1:21 am

In post 11, Aristophanes wrote:Ooo a wagon already?
I'm in!

VOTE: Sirius

Don't think Ari likes standing out as scum so I read the declared wagoning as slight +town

In post 13, The Bulge wrote:VOTE: sirius

the coveted 4th vote

Don't think scum!Bulge would care though so prob NAI

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Post Post #51  (isolation #9)  » Sat Jan 16, 2021 1:26 am

In post 35, Summer Nights wrote:kind of embarassing that my signature didnt attach im kinda self conscious rn so dont ask me anything....... :/

This is jokey so NAI

In post 36, petapan wrote:okay i won't ask you anything

VOTE: summer nights

I assume you didn't read it as jokey so I like this vote. Right?

In post 37, Summer Nights wrote:Thank You.

Doesn't feel pressured enough to ask why is slight +town

There you go, that's me scraping the bottom of the barrel for everything AI

I hope you're happy

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Post Post #63  (isolation #10)  » Sat Jan 16, 2021 8:18 am

Adorable is it the fact I get town pings at all so early or the ones I talked about specifically you dislike?

I like 60 from Datisi. Yes I understand that's very in his scumrange

Idk why he's talking about Augustus there when I'm the one who made the post though. Cats gets none of the credit these days...

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Post Post #66  (isolation #11)  » Sat Jan 16, 2021 8:35 am

In post 64, Datisi wrote:oh, silly me. apologies, grumpy. *pat*

why do you get the impression that ari doesn't like standing out as scum?

AHHHHHH

Thanks

That classic scum PT where Vegeta (Nacho) is HYPING Ari up to post and Ari is scared over every little thing and how it'll look

That was 2 ot 3 years ago and I think I checked more recent meta at some point in a previous game that still lines up with it but I can't remember

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Post Post #67  (isolation #12)  » Sat Jan 16, 2021 8:40 am

Ari did you know this cat was in CATS for Backroom mafia?

I'm not the same bright cat I once was... age and experience has weathered me down and made me grumpy

Also losing my partner in crime to the flavour mines also hurt. That's more backstory though and we leave that to HBB (the guy who's in black and white and always smiling. It's off putting tbh but don't tell him I told you this)

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Post Post #68  (isolation #13)  » Sat Jan 16, 2021 8:44 am

In post 48, petapan wrote:my approach is mostly the same. but i'm the worst person to ask that question because my perspective is biased and i don't wanna lay out what i feel my own limitations are. but i'll give the answer i gave in a recent game that i'll probably be more spontaneous as town.

Not even for Team Mafia for an easy townread?

If there's ever a time to lay out your flaws when playing scum it's now

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Post Post #69  (isolation #14)  » Sat Jan 16, 2021 8:46 am

In post 67, Augustus Caesar wrote:(the guy who's in black and white and always smiling. It's off putting tbh but don't tell him I told you this)

Actually what do I care if he knows I said this

I hate that guy, make sure he knows I said that

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Post Post #70  (isolation #15)  » Sat Jan 16, 2021 8:49 am

I think this might be the least active game

Augustus's pal Hectic was dealt the same treatment last year. I was looking forward to the hyperposting this time round tbh

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Post Post #72  (isolation #16)  » Sat Jan 16, 2021 8:52 am

Ugh that's enough effort from me for a few months. I have a scratch post to attend to

That loser HBB might be back later but what do I know, I hate that guy and don't try and learn his schedule

Pedit: FINE last question: why'd you ask Creature then? What was the purpose?

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Post Post #89  (isolation #17)  » Sat Jan 16, 2021 2:40 pm

In post 85, Adorable wrote:@Augustus The slight town read you gave on Ari I wasn't able to see how was that towny. Why do you like #60 from Datisi when you said that's very within their scum range? Since you said that is within their scum range then shouldn't you have been cautious?

uh don't @ augustus like that ok
he's busy
who do you wanna talk to
we got me (your best option)
and also HBB Grumpy Cat Staarling and Mafia Goon
there's others but they're unimportant

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Post Post #90  (isolation #18)  » Sat Jan 16, 2021 2:43 pm

i like puff so far
her being difficult and arguing about this stuff is town-indicative
our records show she's floaty and less antagonistic as scum
not a fan of the limelight

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Post Post #91  (isolation #19)  » Sat Jan 16, 2021 2:44 pm

puff puff puff
how much have you spoken to your team about reads or anything?

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Post Post #96  (isolation #20)  » Sat Jan 16, 2021 2:50 pm

In post 93, Datisi wrote:
In post 90, Augustus Caesar wrote:not a fan of the limelight

who's the limelight? peta?

puff isn't a fan of it
peta's null

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Post Post #98  (isolation #21)  » Sat Jan 16, 2021 2:51 pm

In post 94, xRECKONERx wrote:I've made the executive decision not to read any of Hectic's posts this game because I fucking hate stupid posting gimmicks

serious post?
a lot of them are just normal posts signed by one of Augustus's followers
explain how that's hard to parse

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Post Post #101  (isolation #22)  » Sat Jan 16, 2021 3:01 pm

her leading into discussion about forming early townreads and how she thinks it's scum-indicative
prodding Grumpy on his read on you

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Post Post #102  (isolation #23)  » Sat Jan 16, 2021 3:01 pm

VOTE: xRECKONERx

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Post Post #104  (isolation #24)  » Sat Jan 16, 2021 3:04 pm

join me in this quest Ari
we have rare candies on offer for investors

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Post Post #111  (isolation #25)  » Sat Jan 16, 2021 3:55 pm

In post 108, xofelf wrote:Gotta say the multiposting thing is going to kill me. It just feels like noise for the sake of noise and my eyes kinda glaze over as I read it. I also can't keep track of which is which, and who they're supposed to be underneath the alt, which is making that slot so much harder to read.(I also don't remember if it was just one of the public alts hyperposting or both, so that's a bad sign)

Happy Birthday, xofelf!
You don't need to keep track of all the characters and distinguish between them. It's not like they'll all have different reads or takes, we're all part of the same hivemind after all. I prompted Puff a person she'd like to speak to but I'll forgo that aspect in the future.

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Post Post #112  (isolation #26)  » Sat Jan 16, 2021 3:58 pm

In post 109, xRECKONERx wrote:the stupid fucking open alts rule is very bad and dumb and creates more legwork for people to open a tab and have to crossreference who is saying what bc of the alts, the spamposting is ridiculous (out of the first ~100 posts nearly HALF of them are solely from ari + hectic), and the forced shtick of posting in character with images at the end of every post or whatever the hell hectic is doing is sapping my will to live

but i signed up to play team mafia, so i will play team mafia. i am just not going to engage with hectic's shtick for my own sanity. if my team wants to read it they can and fill me in. actually ill ask them to do that right now.

This game has only 5 pages and you're complaining about "spamposting"? Also, you could read my posts while ignoring the image at the end... I know, insane concept. Your reaction to this whole thing reads as over the top.

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Post Post #116  (isolation #27)  » Sat Jan 16, 2021 4:18 pm

There is literally no reason to be ignoring my last few posts directed at you when there's essentially no "gimmick" to them other than the image at the bottom. It feels like you're being difficult for the sake of being difficult.

Also, what's the issue with open alts when apparently "meta is trash". Why do you even care about the holder of this alt when meta means nothing to you? Read the Augustus Caesar slot as the Augustus Caesar slot. Who cares if it's Hectic behind it and it's an open alt?

More votes on RECK please. Gonna prod my teammates to see if I'm not too biased in this read though.

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Post Post #117  (isolation #28)  » Sat Jan 16, 2021 4:27 pm

Hopkirk thoughts:

-Doesn't get immediate townpings on Adorable like he did in Death Curse
-Doesn't think it's impossible for Reck to just be angry town. His impression of him is that he gets angry at stuff for no reason
>Is now giving him a quick skim on the relationships thread in the speakeasy lol
>I asked him what he found and he didn't reply. I think he was joking
-Says that his vague memory of previous games with him suggest it could come from town!him

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Post Post #118  (isolation #29)  » Sat Jan 16, 2021 4:33 pm

Alright, so Hop thinks I could be overreacting. We talked about it a little and Reck's play isn't really scum-motivated, it's just annoying me because it doesn't make sense to me. It actually makes enemies without a clear upside so unless he thinks it'll be read as legit and get him townread it's slight +town (I can hear Grumpy Cat grumbling away in the background).

He suggested I put Hectic in my signature and that's a good idea.

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Post Post #144  (isolation #30)  » Sat Jan 16, 2021 6:45 pm

In post 132, Datisi wrote:ok like i think i'm getting pinged more by adorable. is kinda vaguely talking about - oh there was a bad meta read once - that doesn't seem to serve any purpose other than being filler. also the question to hectic in doesn't get answered and i don't think she really cares for it? also like bulge's .

Puff loves bringing up stuff like this as both alignments. She talks a lot about theory and how she saw scum do "this one thing one time" and then vaguely fits it to what someone did in the current game. NAI I think.

midwaybear's thoughts in are okay, don't see anything wrong with them.

Puff, what changed your mind and made you like me in ?

Oh, so part of my reasoning for townreading Puff earlier is because if she had a scumteam as well as Team Mafia teammates, I'd expect some level of coaching to be happening behind the scenes. And if that's the case, I don't see them letting her enter with a "early townreads are suspicious, how can you even have a townread so early" theory line of attack which is obviously flawed, and could easily attract attention/suspicion.
I asked her how much she'd conversed with her team though and apparently she only did after the fact. Still think there's validity in it though, because her team or scumteam would probably proactively try and help her out considering the occasion and all.

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Post Post #145  (isolation #31)  » Sat Jan 16, 2021 6:47 pm

In post 140, The Bulge wrote:I don't necessarily disagree but they ping me as unwarranted and performative.

I agree regarding Reck, he felt over the top and performative to me, hence my initial vote.

Why do you think my reaction is unwarranted though? A player is telling me they're refusing to read any of my posts due to a picture at the bottom, how would you expect me to react?

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Post Post #147  (isolation #32)  » Sat Jan 16, 2021 6:54 pm

I've played a lot with her. Reference being drawn from:

viewtopic.php?f=3&t=84709 - town
viewtopic.php?f=84&t=84055 - town
viewtopic.php?f=51&t=83352 - town
viewtopic.php?f=2&t=82679 - scum

I thought Bulge was saying they don't disagree with the T/T take but we both ping as unwarranted/performative. Guess we'll find out when he clarifies.

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Post Post #253  (isolation #33)  » Sun Jan 17, 2021 5:01 pm

Do not fear, everyone. I have returned from my boating expedition. There was an uh... accident, and I lost a dear friend as the boat capsized and he was swallowed by the depths beneath. It was terribly tragic and I'm still in mourning, so bear with me please.

Oh, and I'm Seamus O Legolad if you were wondering. But you can call me Legolad.

I have a tinfoil reason to townlean Datisi for something on page 7, but I'll keep it secret for reasons.

In post 152, Datisi wrote:
In post 150, Summer Nights wrote:also, also, also, why did you ask me my takes like... hm. i guess piggybacking off of me trying to engage w adorable to get her to say something she does like this game versus her saying she dislikes a ton of other things? the word that popped into my head was 'deflecting' though idk off of what?

honestly i wasn't thinking if you were asking adorable what she likes vs what she doesn't like or whatever, i just saw you were asking a seemingly random question when you had so far offered no thoughts so i was curious to see if there is anything happening back there :?:

This is fair.

In post 153, Summer Nights wrote:okay i can vibe with that wrt hot take

Ah, vibes. Delightful.

In post 155, Summer Nights wrote:i feel more sure abt hectic right now than i do reck i guess? like all i know about reck is that he's uh... angry. that's what i've heard and i feel bad saying that LMAO but that sort of ate up my perception of him so far this game

I find this to be very town-indicative for Summer. The way she articulates her thoughts in-real-time versus manufacturing them is something she does often as town, but never as scum - or rarely ever, I don't recall a time.

In post 164, Summer Nights wrote:yes it was abt you trying to throw down pressure on sirius to get him like, stressed early bc he as a player like... no offense sirius i love u but i feel like you'd be one of the players at this table who is like. prone to getting scumreads thrown on you easily

but then i saw you make that post about it being a pseudo-ico vote so like.. maybe i am insane

I think players like Sirius have their alignments made a lot more clear with pressure. If scum, he'll crack, if town, he'll be forced to react and post content, which might prove useful.
@petapan: What was the purpose of your original Sirius vote?

In post 166, Sirius9121 wrote:when I'm town I look scummy

when I'm scum i look scummy

HELL YEAH

Good vibes from this. Like when you devour a really nice roast salmon.

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Post Post #254  (isolation #34)  » Sun Jan 17, 2021 5:18 pm

In post 171, DeasVail wrote:I like Datisi townreading me in 60. Datisi-scum would be under the impression that I'm an achievable mislynch and I could see scum being more tempted to twist it as scum tryharding off the bat (which is an easy interpretation to make). No one else had commented on my entrance and so the freshness of the take adds weight here.

Why do you think Datisi would see you as an achievable misdrown? I don't think scum!Datisi would be particularly worried about lining up potential misdrowns at such an early stage, rather, he'd be concentrating on taking the towniest takes possible to appear town, like 95% of people do when playing scum.

In post 171, DeasVail wrote:Strange that you would be asking this question of someone who has only just begun engaging with the game in a meaningful way.

I explained why I asked this in .

In post 171, DeasVail wrote:Adorable made a vote which looked like RVS. When I asked about it, Adorable indicated that it was based on nothing. When I applied some silly pressure because I was feeling bored, Adorable said that in fact it was based on something. The "reason" for the vote changed after Adorable was pressured on it. Dismissing it merely as NAI without further reason is not enough for me. Why is it NAI?

The justifying of regular scumhunting with "silly" or "bored" feels off.

In post 180, DeasVail wrote:This feels like panic asking a team-mate to help fake reads to look town.

Eh. This one's rough, like going boating down river rapids.

Datisi-wording conversation: Language like "hot take" is NAI for him I'm pretty sure.

In post 197, Adorable wrote:Also, you never answered my first question.

Vibes were fine, joking about the scumrange thing because he said the same thing.

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Post Post #255  (isolation #35)  » Sun Jan 17, 2021 5:19 pm

In post 250, Isis wrote:pagetop?

I heard other listmods are removing empty contentless pagetop posts, Isis. You better watch yourself. I might just invite you to a tragic boating trip with me if you don't.

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Post Post #256  (isolation #36)  » Sun Jan 17, 2021 5:28 pm

In post 209, petapan wrote:bulge townie


adorable in you said the vote wasn't based on anything, but in you said it was because of how augustus gave a fast town read. that's what people are getting on your case about. can you address this?

Good post for actually trying to resolve it.

In post 208, xRECKONERx wrote:you
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Worse post because clearly Puff doesn't see the problem at this point, so this probably won't prompt her to.

Puff is my strongest townread. I think she voted me because my early townread felt "off", but in her mind that's distinguishable from a "serious" vote which is based on something substantial, which is why she's basically contradicting herself.

In post 224, xRECKONERx wrote:this is bad though bc adorable is acting self-contradictory and i think that's town or scum indicative! i think scum, especially those unfamiliar or newer, will have a harder time staying logically consistent
they'll blurt out whatever
adorable just seems to act in a weird manner and has now stumbled over herself to re-explain why she's so contradictory
like, the idea is... "i voted someone, said it was based on nothing when asked, then retroactively gave a justification for it... then got called out on giving a retroactive justification for it, and took 100 posts to get coached by my scumteam on how to respond to it"

idk man i feel like i see people in the current site meta trying to trip over themselves to explain how scum dumbfuckery is actually to dumbfuck to be scum and the fact of the matter is uh it gets caught like that for a reason

Nah, disagree. I think scum care far more about appearing logically consistent. Contradicting yourself is slight +town on average. If she's being coached, she doesn't take 100 posts to finally clear up such a small thing.

Deus and Reck are sus. Town on Puff, Summer, and kinda Datisi/petapan. You're all invited to the cruise.

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Post Post #257  (isolation #37)  » Sun Jan 17, 2021 5:31 pm

In post 246, beeboy wrote:Oh no i didn't realize the game started.
Hello friends.

After clash tonight I'll read up. <3

Greetings, my friend.

You haven't talked to your teammates at all before this?

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Post Post #259  (isolation #38)  » Sun Jan 17, 2021 5:46 pm

Mostly just a gut thing right now, can't articulate it more than that. Some stuff just feels off. Like fried cod left out in the rain overnight.

I'm sure you'll be super obvtown eventually if you're town.

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Post Post #260  (isolation #39)  » Sun Jan 17, 2021 5:59 pm

Datisi has never deepwolfed in my life :>

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Post Post #293  (isolation #40)  » Mon Jan 18, 2021 3:29 pm

hey, i'm mafia goon. if you're Reck, you probably shouldn't read this post. otherwise though, read it all cause it's townspew. i need to gimmick post a little to get into the groooove of things. this thread feels slow and stilted and i'm not even freely posting in it like i thought i would be. pretty weird tbh. need to SNAP out of that mindset

let's BRING IT TO LIFE

first things first though: i'm a mafia goon and i'm not aware of who my scum buddies are. so i'll be trying to scumhunt for them so you can trust me and keep me around. oh, and if you ARE my scum buddy, then please crumb to me in some way to let me know. like a knowing nod or knowing gif or the like

ok ok, let's try looking for mafia things and solve this shabazzle

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Post Post #294  (isolation #41)  » Mon Jan 18, 2021 3:31 pm

In post 272, Adorable wrote:I don't like your attitude and it comes off to me as performative and over the top.

this phrasing feels off for you Adorable. particularly the part i've highlighted. oh wait, i already quoted just the part i was talking about so don't need to highlight it. anyway, did you get this exact phrasing from a teammate or write it yourself?

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Post Post #295  (isolation #42)  » Mon Jan 18, 2021 3:32 pm

UNVOTE: Reck

realistically probably not scum. like his meta is trash take is something enforced across all games, and though his reasoning for pushing Adorable is wrong (imo), i think he believes it

also my initial reason to vote him was prob actually slighly towny for him anyway

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Post Post #296  (isolation #43)  » Mon Jan 18, 2021 3:43 pm

In post 229, Datisi wrote:
In post 206, Adorable wrote:I was not satisfied with your answer and it didn't make sense to me.

ok. my issue is that you're talking pure "theory". "scum can easily call a player fake." "scum can easily (fake) solve." "scum can make gut reads." those are things that are, in of itself, true. but you're taking them and applying them into "datisi is scum because of those things." (i assume you think i am, considering your vote is on a player that you supposedly townread.) you're talking theory, saying scum "can" do those things - sure, they *can* - and translating that into suspicion on me without looking at things in the context of this game.

the issue is that is a really easy way to fake a scumread. almost anything that people have done so far *can* be done by scum. i feel like you're not looking into ~why~ i did things or how they relate to me in this game or what they actually mean wrt my alignment, you're just slapping on a blanket "oh scum can do these things" read.

yes, yes, and yes

by a logic standpoint, she's just wrong and applying meta incorrectly to try and read you, when every situation and player is different, and context is king
HOWEVER, this is just what Adorable does and how she plays mafia

infact, i'm gonna go scour over her scumgame just to see how much she does it as scum. i'm sure she does it a lot as town. eh, should probably refresh myself on that as well just to be sure

scum ISO - oh okay, so there's actually a lot LESS theory in there than there is here. she's actually talking about game events and using context

town ISO - huh, not nearly as theory talk as i remember...

Another town ISO - uhh, there's barely any theory talk here, if any. she actually obvtowns early on in this game by just scumhunting normall

I think I might've misremembered how much she does that stuff, and inflated it in my mind. she's going overboard outside both her townmeta and scummeta here. i think overall that's actually scum-indicative since it certainly is easier to default to as a playing style, and she might've resorted to it in the high pressure situation of team mafia

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Post Post #297  (isolation #44)  » Mon Jan 18, 2021 3:50 pm

also, i have been a little paranoid of Adorable's read on me. Adorable has scumread me in like 3/4 of the games we've been together while she was town, no joke. so when she came out with a solid townread on me, I was incredulous to say the least. I think my weird joking/gimmicking style is what sets off her scumdar, and i'd think my over the top gimmicking in this game would yield the same reaction... but nope.

she started townreading me after i was townreading her so uh, paranoid of a pocket recommended by her teammates tbh

In post 265, Adorable wrote:Hectic I see you are also town reading Summer and what do you think of xof's post when they mentioned Summer and me?
In post 266, Adorable wrote:
In post 239, xRECKONERx wrote:b/c i don't see any universe where
a) two scum white knight the same townie off of such little pressure early d1
b) two buddies go hard to get pressure off of adorable d1 when it's so early

so at most, one of them is scum IMO


On b) you said two buddies go hard to get pressure off scum so what you're saying here is 2 scum in Hectic, Ari, petapan are scum.

I'm curious to hear from Hectic, Ari, and petapan what they have to say about this post.

like the fact she values my opinion here makes me feel warm and fuzzy, but is there an eye of SAURON underneath that puffy puff who knows what she's doing by trying to pocket me like this?"!?$?R

In post 283, Adorable wrote:Hectic said he has a tinfoil reason to townlean you and I'll trust him on this. I have been town reading Hectic and he is a really good scum hunter. There are 3 games I played with Hectic where he correctly called out a scum player.

oh god, I almost forgot about this one. you've never ever complimented me like this before Puff

am i paranoid? reassure me by explaining exactly why you townread me, like what about the way i approached you made you like me

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Post Post #298  (isolation #45)  » Mon Jan 18, 2021 4:08 pm

alright, next let's talk about xofelf's . an oasis in the war. content in the barren landscape. a pencil sharpener in the parking lot

firstly, the read on Summer being too fluffy or disingenuous: this is NAI for Summer and shouldn't be read into too much. can town!xofelf see that as scummy though? absolutely, so that's okay

In post 262, xofelf wrote:Like in one post she's talking about how she really likes how one person is doing, and then the very next about them is talking about how she doesn't feel good about them. And that's hella sus.

this part i don't like as much because specifics would be very helpful rather than a vague assessment.
@xofelf: care to help an old friend out?

xofelf's theory about Summer/Adorable being aligned i'm not a huge fan of. Adorable has been the pivotal talking point of this game so far, being the slot that people have had the strongest townreads on, while others have had polarising solid townreads on. it's natural she talks about it and i don't think the extent to which she does is unusual or over the top. she has other content talking about other slots which aren't based on puff-stuff (puff is adorable btw)
@xofelf: if there's a particular point on adorable that you think is forced on Summer's part, could you point me to it and why you don't like the reasoning?

In post 262, xofelf wrote:But also, Summer did an awful lot of defending or explaining for adorable(ctrl-f has adorable show up 20 times in that iso, some of which are quotes, but most are Summer herself), and yet adorable has only talked to or about Summer once, and it was just a direct question that Summer asked her about what she liked in the game. It felt like a softball you'd throw to a scumpartner to set them up for a read or misdirection. I just don't think that a town player would just completely ignore someone who is talking for them that much. Even just a thank you or acknowledgement post, but there's nothing.

Does Puff seem like the type of player who would thank someone defending her, or just let them? because i don't think she's the former
hmm, actually, i do get why you get the impression it's odd puff isn't really interacting with summer as much as she is the others talking about her, but i think part of that is because puff has mostly just been responding to people asking her questions, and summer didn't ask her any after the initial one way back

- Adorable repeatedly talks about how suspicious it is for xofelf to suggest a Summer/Adorable scumteam. i think scum are more likely to not bring the topic up further and make it a talking point, and instead just ignore it and hope others don't care for the stance. i think this makes them less likely to be aligned

if you two are somehow my scum partners, please drop an igglypuff in the thread to let me know

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Post Post #299  (isolation #46)  » Mon Jan 18, 2021 4:10 pm

beeboy, i can already tell you're scum

VOTE: beeboy

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Post Post #300  (isolation #47)  » Mon Jan 18, 2021 4:15 pm

Ari is Ari so far. the takes he's given on Reck are okay, not too sure otherwise

In post 287, Aristophanes wrote:
In post 121, The Bulge wrote:@ari, thoughts on ? I'm not a big fan of the answer you gave
I'm not sure I understand the question. I think his response to my response probably showed that the raging is genuine, but I hope he's done more since then and isn't just raging for the sake of it so he looks like he's contributing without giving any content and having an easy slot to tunnel.

I was busy yesterday and work 12h today but if I get a lunch break I'll be back to catch up! Otherwise it will be mostly tomorrow, for which I apologize.

however, Reck never expressed a scumread on me, in fact, he's only had me as a varying level of ~town~
what gave you the impression he is or plans to tunnel me?

btw did you like the cute red highlight i used? i thought it'd be on-brand

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Post Post #302  (isolation #48)  » Mon Jan 18, 2021 4:17 pm

In post 298, Augustus Caesar wrote:being the slot that people have had the strongest townreads on

this should be strongest scumreads, not townreads

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Post Post #304  (isolation #49)  » Mon Jan 18, 2021 4:19 pm

looking forward to seeing a new champion enter the dungeon. my bet's on Norwee to make a strong showing tbh

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Post Post #306  (isolation #50)  » Mon Jan 18, 2021 4:28 pm

fair

do your teammates have any thoughts on this game so far, peta?

i'm gonna extend that question to Datisi too, since he's got some quality ones

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Post Post #308  (isolation #51)  » Mon Jan 18, 2021 4:31 pm

they are, but might as well have 4x the quality thoughts amirite

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Post Post #314  (isolation #52)  » Mon Jan 18, 2021 6:46 pm

alright alright alright

hey Puff, do you mind answering the questions i asked and/or addressing the concerns i had? i might even put in a good word for you with the don, get you promoted to rolecop hint hint

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Post Post #361  (isolation #53)  » Tue Jan 19, 2021 8:25 am

beeboy is a lot worse than Sirius because beeboy's playing to his scummeta while Sirius is playing to his siriusmeta

grumble grumble

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Post Post #363  (isolation #54)  » Tue Jan 19, 2021 8:31 am

yeah probably

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Post Post #423  (isolation #55)  » Tue Jan 19, 2021 11:33 pm

Excellent vote

(haven't read last couple of pages yet)

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Post Post #425  (isolation #56)  » Tue Jan 19, 2021 11:36 pm

Spew and counter?

Sounds good

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Post Post #427  (isolation #57)  » Tue Jan 19, 2021 11:37 pm

Yeah

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Post Post #430  (isolation #58)  » Tue Jan 19, 2021 11:40 pm

Doesn't it take ages to go round harvesting all that with just a scythe? Get a harvester

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Post Post #432  (isolation #59)  » Tue Jan 19, 2021 11:42 pm

Sickening

You're the type that takes a deep whiff of air scented with faeces and call it wonderful

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Post Post #505  (isolation #60)  » Thu Jan 21, 2021 10:10 am

Reading over things slowly while at work, this cat has serious business with a scratching post

In post 367, Aristophanes wrote:The Hectic intro was obviously a prewrite

it wasn't

In post 367, Aristophanes wrote:Also why wouldn't Grumpy Cat have posted this? They were in Backrooms with Puff and it would make sense from them! At least keep your alt-knowledge straight bro

jdWD;ojfkjasgfg6hju7tr90
look i was busy and had pichu fill in okay

Kinda like the Ari-analysis even if i don't agree with all the takes

He provided some scummeta earlier... guess I'll go look at that grumble

Ari... it's really hard to tell what your most recent games are on your wiki when they're sorted like this
hiss
Okay nvm, I found the 2020 section
Chain of Command... Ari scum endgames, november 2020

There's already more analysis here than there was in the entirety of his ISO there, but the quality and type of analysis is the important thing since this is team mafia and we can expect extra effort. so only slightly +town
on that note, I need to post this and will return in a bit

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Post Post #524  (isolation #61)  » Thu Jan 21, 2021 11:15 am

In post 374, Aristophanes wrote:
In post 373, petapan wrote:no offense but it feels like you're forcing analysis here

but as promised

VOTE: beeboy

because let's face it, this is what he does as scum, promising to read later and not post, anyone who knows him knows it, the game is so slow it shouldn't be a problem at all
That's fine, you're allowed to read into it.

I think a beeboy vote here is meh.

I mean, beeboy could and should be getting help from their team, meaning a lack of posts implied a lack of time/presence. I don't think we should let them off the hook with more proddodges, but Limming an inactive player is a cop out when we have a decent amount of content to base a Lim on here.

Ari more likely scum if beeboy is scum for this defense
You're ignoring peta and I's points that this is how beeboy plays as scum and instead framing it as an ordinary inactive player launch, when it isn't

In post 375, petapan wrote:nah if it were any other username i'd agree with you but this is a special case and i wanna get it out of the way now

yee

is a good post and raises good points about Ari. lot of critique but not many reads of his own

Ari continues goodposting beyond this point though and I can follow most of those thought processes like he's my consigliere, feel good about him and would give him a flintlock pistol

eyes are glazing over, like marbles floating in a sea of blood

hard to do analysis right now, i'll probably keep reading at work but try and formulate reads later when i'm free

oh, and I +1 to peta's explanation of beeboy's scummeta. in fact, make that a +5, i'm feeling spicy

reminder to self to make a readlist and put everyone on separate tiers later. i can only do that when i have a very good grip on the game and everything that's been said, and i should aim for that for team mafia
i'm the mafia goon of the team after all, so need to carry

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Post Post #526  (isolation #62)  » Thu Jan 21, 2021 11:29 am

yeah maybe actually
it's not like scum!ari changes any minds with that simple defense so it wouldn't serve him any purpose rather than just make him look bad upon beeboy's flip
you're probably right and it's actually +town for ari if beeboy flips scum

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Post Post #527  (isolation #63)  » Thu Jan 21, 2021 11:43 am

In post 478, Adorable wrote:
In post 477, xRECKONERx wrote:
In post 470, Adorable wrote:I never said I have been paranoid of scum defending me. I was talking about Summer who said she was paranoid of Hectic defending her. midwaybear said earlier he thinks there is scum defending me and I disagreed with him.

ah i see -- so your TEAMMATES are paranoid about scum defending you.

if you disagree with midwaybear, then why do you read me as town now?


midwaybear said 3 days ago he is worried scum are defending me but I disagreed with him. I really liked your post you made on #404 where you were talking about agar's thoughts on the game and this looked like to me your team are helping you solve the game. From what I saw from agar is he said he thinks Hectic's post #256 read like tmi to him which would point to me being town. You said you disagreed with him with the read on me and Hectic. The fact that we have been disagreeing with our team mates is what made me started town reading you.

I'll be heading off to work now.

I like this post a lot. It's one thing to fake you're disagreeing with your teammates, but it's another to see that happen to another person and recognise them as town due to the familiar circumstances
I think Puff!scum is a lot less likely to fake a read like this

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Post Post #528  (isolation #64)  » Thu Jan 21, 2021 11:55 am

is great

In post 482, xRECKONERx wrote:meta is trash idgaf
but i refuse to let someone lurk through the entire first day of team fucking mafia

lol
I will literally never understand this "meta is trash" propoganga
meta can be misleading, sure, but it's very useful if applied right and with context in mind

In post 484, xRECKONERx wrote:yes it's his strategy based on meta arguments that have been trotted out and im telling you i do not give a single flying shit ab meta

if it's beeboy or mith himself, idgaf, if they're lurking through d1 of a game im going to yeet them into the sun, end of story. had beeboy just been replaced id be patiently waiting but instead he's done just enough to keep doing nothing. which... i suppose there's a conversation that could be had about the tactical nature of replacing out or staying in the game, but let's not do that and instead just yeet the lurker

I dunno if I'm falling into the trap of reading your over the top style as scummy again, but it's strange you REALLY want people to know you're not sheeping the meta argument but are voting him because he's doing nothing instead, like it's your own violation that you're voting him
reads as a bus post basically, and it's one of those busses with only 3 wheels

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Post Post #529  (isolation #65)  » Thu Jan 21, 2021 11:58 am

In post 491, Sirius9121 wrote:heccticc: uh... assuming they are starrling seems very different from starrling from 2175? many reads which im not like 100% sure is a good thing due to town mafia

i'm staarling!
i haven't been able to play much because everyone is so loud :<
what do you mean in that green part?

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Post Post #530  (isolation #66)  » Thu Jan 21, 2021 12:28 pm

In post 294, Augustus Caesar wrote:
In post 272, Adorable wrote:I don't like your attitude and it comes off to me as performative and over the top.

this phrasing feels off for you Adorable. particularly the part i've highlighted. oh wait, i already quoted just the part i was talking about so don't need to highlight it. anyway, did you get this exact phrasing from a teammate or write it yourself?

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You must've missed this, Puff
It's understandable, I didn't provide any Puff gifs to catch your attention

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^how I feel when anyone lets their jigglypuff evolve to wigglytuff

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^personal favourite of mine, you can almost HEAR the music

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^neat crumb i noticed where they hinted at puff's back air in the anime long before it was a thing in smash

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Post Post #531  (isolation #67)  » Thu Jan 21, 2021 12:43 pm

Isis you should do Binding of Isaac or Slay the Spire as your flavour
take screenshots during interesting moments/hands or just at boss fights

i want no less than a boss rush the lost run

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Post Post #534  (isolation #68)  » Thu Jan 21, 2021 1:12 pm

alright
i'm aware that i read your style as scummy and i'm trying to not let that cloud my view
i don't have any kind of grudge against you, and i'll focus on your takes more

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Post Post #537  (isolation #69)  » Thu Jan 21, 2021 2:08 pm

I thought you meant does not play, as town
So it was fine
Way to ruin it

I still want to use more time and agree on not launching yet ftr
What're your other sources/meta? Links pl0x

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Post Post #540  (isolation #70)  » Thu Jan 21, 2021 2:39 pm

Hmm good counter examples
I guess it's not a sure fire way of reading him but only scum-indicative then


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Post Post #542  (isolation #71)  » Thu Jan 21, 2021 2:46 pm

there's also Epilogue where he stays in the game as scum and actually does stuff, though the excuses are there in parts

In post 257, Augustus Caesar wrote:
In post 246, beeboy wrote:Oh no i didn't realize the game started.
Hello friends.

After clash tonight I'll read up. <3

Greetings, my friend.

You haven't talked to your teammates at all before this?

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Post Post #543  (isolation #72)  » Thu Jan 21, 2021 2:49 pm

i think the ~extreme~ flakiness and it being team mafia does make him more likely to be scum though. this is the shortest game by far so the lack of motivation is more likely to be dependant on his alignment rather than the game being too much, especially when you'd think he'd have a sense of commitment to his teammates, and excitement about the event

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Post Post #545  (isolation #73)  » Thu Jan 21, 2021 3:03 pm

Why?

Reading through The Bulge's ISO, there's not a lot of original takes there. There's a lot of questions but I want to see reads and thoughts of your own, Bulge. Your big vanity vote/case on this secret read would be a good start

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Post Post #548  (isolation #74)  » Thu Jan 21, 2021 3:16 pm

In post 546, petapan wrote:i think his original vote was timed as there was momentum on ari and the reasoning was only "didn't vibe with his comeback post" but now momentum is dying s it's just "walls look townie despite badlogic" like...that's all?

Also, a problem is that it's hard to read the bulge for their actions when there's no reasoning attached to them, like why they didn't like ari's comeback post, or why ari's walls looked towny
also, Bulge; do you have a preferred pronoun?

Puff: It didn't sound like you but there's no where else I can really take this I suppose

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Post Post #550  (isolation #75)  » Thu Jan 21, 2021 3:21 pm

I find it impossible to read Creature. How does one do it

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Post Post #552  (isolation #76)  » Thu Jan 21, 2021 3:26 pm

In post 549, Datisi wrote:i don't have a better place for it. because in the current state, either beeboy will start not being obvscum or he's going to get yeeted. but before either happens, there's no point moving my vote around ~for pressure~ because nobody is gonna get pressured from it because they know the current focus is on beeboy. and even if i had a stronger non-beeboy non-ari scumread (not sure if i do right now), voting them for non-pressure reasons is also moot because again, beeboy is a thing, nobody is getting flipped before beeboy at this time.

Disagree, it'll be reduced pressure but it'll still be some, and it's always good to see how people react to being voted. I think you're regarding your vote too highly when it's okay to just throw it around and it not being a big deal. I don't know exactly what this means for your alignment, but I disagree on a mafia level I guess

In post 549, Datisi wrote:i also don't want to potentially have to deal with being called beeboy's scumbuddy for desperately trying to counterwagon someone later if he does flip scum.

this is fair and i like you're admitting this

wait, didn't we have a very similar situation in undertale where beeboy was being launched and you voted Lavender? you didn't care about it looking like you counterwagoning then

also
YIP YIP YIP

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Post Post #561  (isolation #77)  » Thu Jan 21, 2021 3:51 pm

Makes sense

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Post Post #644  (isolation #78)  » Fri Jan 22, 2021 7:47 pm

Prod just in case I get prodded grumble
Though I have till tomorrow evening
But I plan to RETURN tomorrow evening
So it might've been cutting it close if not for this post
That's why I made it
Another scumhunt in the bag
Oh content is sometimes required
Creature's vote is disappointing because he wants to make the game non-stagnant but essentially places a naked vote without reasoning
Really livened the game up there Creature
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Post Post #645  (isolation #79)  » Fri Jan 22, 2021 7:48 pm

In post 635, DeasVail wrote:[Town]-- Aristophanes, Xofelf - Adorable, xRECKONERx -- Datisi, Augustus Caesar --- petapan, Summer Nights - [Sirius9121, The Bulge] -- Creature - beeboy -----[Scum]

^Where my reads are at right now.

Really good list actually
Only one I kinda disagree with is xofelf too high but I haven't read their last few posts in detail
Also I should be top town

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Post Post #762  (isolation #80)  » Mon Jan 25, 2021 2:35 pm

Yo, it's Marksman here. There's been a nuclear meltdown in the facility so everyone's busy fixing that and probably getting radiated. I work remotely from home so I've been given the reigns for a little while.

In post 608, xofelf wrote:I said I don't *think* it's AI, was sorta hoping for clarification from you or people who know you better than I do about whether or not that's just you as a person or how you play games. I think you and I have played only the one game together(it's possibly two and I suck at remembering), and I was in a hydra in that one so I wasn't working nearly so hard to notice things and get reactions. Your posting since has sorta calmed down in a way that does tell me it might just be how you start games traditionally.

Datisi was also in a hydra in the Haunted Village game you played a while back, and he was scum! See if that changes your impression of him in any way.

In post 608, xofelf wrote:Oh so this is just how she typically is? Okay, thanks for that.

Yep.

In post 608, xofelf wrote:Sure, I'll go dig out the posts in question. I don't typically link to specific posts as my reading of a person or slot is done holistically and more of an overall tone than specifics, but I can dig out the specific posts I was talking about.
....which I realize that I just misread who Summer was talking about so she didn't actually flipflop on Bulge like I thought I read when she was talking to Datisi when I made up this post so uh nope, that's a bad. Maybe I do need to always link to posts if I think I see something D:

I like that you're writing this post in-real-time like this. I think the misinterpretation is NAI but this realisation in this manner is slightly towny.

In post 608, xofelf wrote:Do you have to use a nickname and not her username? I get it's cuz of the avatar but for whatever reason you say Puff and my brain goes "but Pinkball's not in this game? who are you talking about???" every time.
But that aside, I didn't like 157 cuz at the time it happened Datisi's interactions with adorable made sense to me, like he voted a slot he thought was doing confusing things. Just all of his interaction made sense to me, so it felt really weird. But also it felt like the kind of things you would say if you were trying to give an example to a less experienced scumplayer to follow. That hey, if you interact more here, you can make Datisi look worse perhaps and you look better. It might just be Summer is a helpful person in general. Just it all pinged really poorly for me.

Idk, I think Puff is a much better name for her than Adorable, I like the sound of it.
Regarding that Summer post, don't you think it'd be much better suited to the scum PT if its aim is to give Puff some advice or something to follow? I agree that the take itself is a little too tinfoily for my tastes though; the Datisi interaction read fine to me.

In post 608, xofelf wrote:@Ari, yes your wallposts did help. Though idk, still felt really weird. Like you coming in with your big wall was all performative. And that's really what my initial you felt off came from. Maybe you're doing your you want people to think the best of you schtick, but it felt saccharine in a bad way. In a no "look see, I'm sweet innocent Ari, I promise!" way. You do raise some really good points and I don't think the content is completely bad. You've moved to null for now. There's just something man. It's not that you don't read genuine this time, it's rather I don't quite get how you're reaching some of the conclusions you are. Then again, I have to remember, you always want to see the best in people always, so your conclusions follow the same sort of logic.(I learned a lot about how you think and why during your video confessionals, see!). But I definitely don't like you comparing my lack of activity to beeboy's. I've posted shit and been trying to contribute in the way that I can. Beeboy has done nothing at all so even putting us in the same basket I don't like.

I like this assessment, seems genuine

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Post Post #763  (isolation #81)  » Mon Jan 25, 2021 2:51 pm

In post 609, Aristophanes wrote:Pretty sure we're set on beeboy and while my stance that it's mostly NAI remains, I'm not actually against it.

I don't like this insistence that it's still NAI. You saw the meta arguments that have been brought up, so I'd think you would comment about those by this point.

In post 609, Aristophanes wrote:The hop onto you with hectic had a lot to do with a #fuckit attitude. When you asked about me saying you were off I did not just backpedal and I thought my recognizing that the statement was flawed was fine. I did say other things there yaknow. I stand by my defense of Adorable and I really don't see why town wouldn't do what I did there. Defending someone you know to be odd when they are odd makes really good sense to me. And I did not create a narrative of you tunneling on hectic. That was another falter in phrasing which I addressed. I was saying that as scum I would expect you ho stick on something that you could easily make outrage posts about. I thought it would be Hectic's posts. It ended up being Adorable's. I know you have a loud personality, and I am literally not "poisoning the well" with that fact. Nice try tho.

Like the more I think about it while writing this the more it looks to me like a blatant misrep of me in order to discredit me and this read I have on you, and I'm not cool with it.
I would legit Eliminate you if it were my choice. Alas it's not and I must therefore drop it for now. But this is not going away. I am already regretting the unvote I've made in this post and it hasn't even been posted yet.

Oh,I missed the hop off and back onto you. Can you explain why that's "gross"? Because looking at this, "gross" tells me just about as much as "interesting" told you and I'd like a fuller explanation.

I like this. My one qualm is why you kept the unvote if you still scumread him by the end of the post. What's the harm in keeping the vote there?

In post 611, petapan wrote:i like that response from ari
In post 612, petapan wrote:very free flowing

Agreed.

In post 616, Aristophanes wrote:In that post I said I hope you're not raging for the sake of raging giving you an easy slot to tunnel.
Not said: "Reck is tunneling Hectic"
Wow. Tough reading. Definitely some backpedaling needed there. I clarified already that my intent was not to imply you were scumreading Hectic. I never said you were! This isn't a backpedal because it's literally fabricated in your mind!

But here, you said you were specifically talking about me:
In post 367, Aristophanes wrote:I know I'm questioned later on my wording in response to my response to this response, but what I meant by Reck using this to tunnel them, as I believe I put it, is that if Reck sticks to the rage or commentary about this slot and thefact that Alts shouldn't be in this game and gimmicks are dumb rather than providing content I think that is scum indicative and a way to look busy without actually contributing. I haven't read what they've said after that response but I'm hoping they're *doing things* because otherwise this could indicate scum!Reck. I hope that makes things clearer here.

Just that you meant "tunnel" in a different way, not to scumread, but to have a hyperfocus on.

In post 616, Aristophanes wrote:I realize, however, that a tunnel like that could hurt both our reads and the gamestate. I have enough awareness to say to myself "wow, Reck obviously isnt the Elim today. Maybe I should put that aside since it looks like beeboy is the Elim and I don't want to clutter the game at a point when the day is winding to a natural close. Maybe I even said all that in that very post! :O

I literally backed off because it's not going to happen today. I'm not shading you, I'm scumreading youm but I have enough sense not to drag us into a 1v1 right now.

Okay, cool. This answers my earlier question.

In post 619, petapan wrote:if i'm scum here i don't think i even bother pushing this because it's beneficial to have a nothing slot like that going later into the game because people will always distrust it and he's not likely to be a threat, i just keep him constantly on the backburner and push elsewhere. i mean i guess the risk would be that he starts actually playing and gets townread but it's hard for people to overcome their bias toawrd a slot if it gets a late start.

Eh, are you sure about that? It's been obvious to everyone for a while that beeboy either starts playing or gets replaced. and when he plays as town, he can obvtown quite easily. On the other hand, if he gets replaced, the new person may be a lot harder to push than a lurking beeboy. Today is the best time to take a lurker-town-beeboy launch as scum.

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Post Post #765  (isolation #82)  » Mon Jan 25, 2021 2:58 pm

from Reck giving me big town vibes

I actually like Reck more than Ari for individual takes this game. Tone-wise I think Ari is good and Reck is scummy, but I know I have a bias against Reck's tone so I'm gonna ignore that. As for actual content and reasoning, I often find myself agreeing with Reck's arguments while Ari has a lot of stuff I don't agree with. Why do I even think Ari is town then... probably because his scummeta is so narrow in terms of how much he efforts and gives reasoning, and he's done so much more than all of his scumgames, and even if his reasoning is flawed in my eyes, I can see why he'd believe it.

I think I townread Reck and townlean Ari at this point.

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Post Post #767  (isolation #83)  » Mon Jan 25, 2021 3:17 pm

In post 655, The Bulge wrote:I am working on a case as we speak. as I specifically stated, it is more than a gutread, hence why no, I will not be throwing it away on a whim simply for your satisfaction. the fact that you are trying to rush information out of me when I have already made it abundantly clear that I want to spend time on it, and then calling ME scummy for refusing to cater to some scumfuck's demands? please.

Little scummy due to the fire here. I don't know if this is warranted given he's just asking you for a name. Why exactly did you not want to give just the name early?

: I think the "nervous jokey self-awareness" is NAI for Datisi, I recall it from him as both alignments.

  • Bulge-tone reads as towny around this point
  • Dues is also saying a lot of good things
  • I also feel peta's reaction is overblown around here, feels too passionate, or as if he's looking for a fight with Bulge

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Post Post #768  (isolation #84)  » Mon Jan 25, 2021 3:24 pm

You having fun this game, RCE? How you doing? I haven't finished catching up but I crave just talking to someone in this game. Give me something to chew on.

Like what your favourite type of cheese is.

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Post Post #769  (isolation #85)  » Mon Jan 25, 2021 3:31 pm

@Datisi: When you take ages to write a post, but people wouldn't be able to tell, do you ever admit to it, and as town, scum, or both?

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Post Post #772  (isolation #86)  » Mon Jan 25, 2021 3:34 pm

Bulge: Did you write and right after one another?

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Post Post #773  (isolation #87)  » Mon Jan 25, 2021 3:35 pm

In post 771, Creature wrote:Kinda scared I now have close to zero solid townreads

What changed and made you stop townreading people? Specifics, my dragon.

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Post Post #775  (isolation #88)  » Mon Jan 25, 2021 3:41 pm

In post 706, Creature wrote:Damn so many walls it feels like I'm reading dissertation reviews

lol
The wall conversation adds to this game feeling like a drag honestly because you have to constantly look up context to keep track of what's actually going on... and I'm part of the problem. Oh no.

Let's all hyperpost from this point so that everyone can be happy.

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Post Post #776  (isolation #89)  » Mon Jan 25, 2021 3:41 pm

*wall conversations

Off to a good start

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Post Post #778  (isolation #90)  » Mon Jan 25, 2021 3:43 pm

Probably

I'm trying to sort through it right now

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Post Post #893  (isolation #91)  » Wed Jan 27, 2021 12:44 pm

Shame I've had a mafia burnout during team mafia, but what can ya do. I'll continue slowly catching up while sipping on this coffee over here, that should help.

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Post Post #894  (isolation #92)  » Wed Jan 27, 2021 1:14 pm

I like Datisi's response in to the Bulge case. Overall, I think the Bulge's points on the "threating townlean" and "cutting off conversation" thing are reachy, and Datisi's explanations are reasonable.

I'm gonna spice this catchup up with some GIFs to entertain myself.

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In post 721, RCEnigma wrote:Probably, through 7 pages my shortlist poe is datisi/Deasveil/Reck

You have town thoughts on everyone else already?

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In post 731, DeasVail wrote:I don’t want to be rude because replacing into this slot as scum would be awful but your posting has made me more confident in the slot being scum than I was previously and I feel the need to express that.

Towny. The concern over appearing rude if RCE has been dealt a doomed scumslot is not something scum fake a lot, while it's a natural thought that can come to town. This actually looks better for Deus if RCE is town.

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In post 734, DeasVail wrote:VOTE: RCEnigma

I’m fine if people want to wait and see more, but I think I’ve seen enough to be comfortable with an elimination here

I am curious to see what in RCE's posting has made you so confident he's scum though.

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In post 753, Creature wrote:
In post 752, DeasVail wrote:
In post 749, Creature wrote:
In post 734, DeasVail wrote:VOTE: RCEnigma

I’m fine if people want to wait and see more, but I think I’ve seen enough to be comfortable with an elimination here

Me too, but I don't want to end up being pressured all day tomorrow and feel unable to scumhunt due to that wagon

Why are you expecting a wagon on you? I don't think there are many, if any, votes on you now.

I mean, RCE probably drops dead today, but tomorrow I may be at risk.
In post 754, DeasVail wrote:I still wonder why you are concerned about the risk of a wagon on you though

I think the open concern is slightly towny actually. Scum are much more often under fear of being caught since they're the correct solution, but they don't voice that for obvious reasons. So when someone does voice concern, I think the lack of concern for how it appears is indicative of town.

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Agree with the Sirius townlean/reads here. I've seen Sirius-scum freeze up before and just post nothing, not even fun fluff. So the fact it's team mafia and he's just posting for fun, even while being randomly reaction pressured like peta did way back is quite towny. Also, his teams thoughts haven't looked bad.

In post 766, RCEnigma wrote:After looking at the VC on my rep in that didn't really line up, there is scum on my wagon and I'd bet multiple scum at that. Deas wasn't on my wagon when I made that statement, you weren't either so I figured I might have made a wrong assessment there.

Don't get this assessment. There's a clear reason why you're the main wagon, and there's one main pusher, peta (though I would be pushing the slot for the exact same reasons if he hadn't). You say peta is most likely town of everyone on the wagon, does this mean you think peta's case is bad and that town most likely wouldn't be voting your slot - meaning some of the votes are in bad faith and ergo scum? I think the case/reasoning is fine so it's just as likely that there's just 1 or even 0 scum on the wagon, and scum are fine with a town wagon being pushed through without any of their support.

Want to hear why exactly you think the lack of counterwagons is indicative of anything given the context, where there's an obvious slot that's playing to their scummeta and not defending themselves at all, and if scum, means that scum can in no way counterwagon it without looking very scummy down the line for it, and doing so would be difficult in the first place.

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Post Post #896  (isolation #93)  » Wed Jan 27, 2021 3:16 pm

RCE's arguing there's multiple scum on his wagon from the perspective of him being town. I'm questioning him to see if that assessment is genuine, because I don't think it's a good one.

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Post Post #919  (isolation #94)  » Wed Jan 27, 2021 6:26 pm

I mean, that's just a scumclaim I think.

- yeah, exactly

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Post Post #920  (isolation #95)  » Wed Jan 27, 2021 6:30 pm

In post 905, petapan wrote:that's a really dumb thought by me actually, what good does buying 1 night by fakeclaiming vig get you if you just get outed the next day anyway lol

i have setup related thoughts that i'd been meaning to get to as well but was waiting until after a claim

Gets a much more uninformed launch today which is probably a mislaunch

instead of a much more informed launch tomorrow with more time which is more likely to be another scum launch

I refuse to believe that RCE happens to be an extremely confirmable town role, and on night 1 no less, and beeboy played like that while having this fairly stress-free and easy to play town role, while RCE said he was demotivated to play because he'll be launched anyway while having a role like that

I think this is just scum buying a day and we still launch this

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Post Post #921  (isolation #96)  » Wed Jan 27, 2021 6:35 pm

You don't have to give him a day just because it's technically optimal play. Additionally, any kind of roleblocking role isn't thaaat unlikely from scum so even in the slim chance he is town, there's a good chance he gets framed and we have to launch him tomorrow anyway

BUT, this is pretty obviously a scumclaim and not the doomed scumslot having a coincidentally easily confirmable town role

Let's just get the scumflip please, people

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Post Post #922  (isolation #97)  » Wed Jan 27, 2021 6:40 pm

In post 918, Summer Nights wrote:sorry, i’ve been really disengaged/burned out on playing mafia lately and haven’t given this a lot of attention (nor has my team), i just got home but if there’s anything anyone wants me to respond to specifically/answer/etc i can do tonight. i guess it’s kinda shitty to just expect that i can be like.. left to reorient myself after someone flipped but that’s what my mindset was lately . i’ll try to get out some stuff for you guys

I want you to drop a song which represents the vibe of this game

and then I want you to drop another song which represents YOUR vibes at that current time

I have a perfect viberead accuracy rate based on this technique, so I'll be able to lock-something you soon enough

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Post Post #924  (isolation #98)  » Wed Jan 27, 2021 6:44 pm

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Post Post #925  (isolation #99)  » Wed Jan 27, 2021 6:45 pm

In post 923, RCEnigma wrote:I don't think it's that unlikely to be rbed or even have a scum doc/jk and thought about fake claiming at least the n1 part of my role but that likely gets me miselimmed anyway.

I don't think my elim is more informed than any other elim in the pl especially considering every other slot has been around since game start. But I'd also elim my slot through the claim so it's unfortunate.

It's informed based on beeboy scummeta

The wagon wasn't just an ordinary lurker wagon

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Post Post #927  (isolation #100)  » Wed Jan 27, 2021 6:50 pm

Do you agree with what I'm saying, Datisi?

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Post Post #929  (isolation #101)  » Wed Jan 27, 2021 6:55 pm

Think about it like this:

Let's say on average, each game has one 100% confirmable town role, whether that be a friendly neighbour or a vigilante.

A 1/13 that you roll it when you play a normal game of mafia

You have to believe that this confirmable town role just so happened to fall into the doomed slot that has close to no chance of surviving with no counterwagons

Now, are we just extremely lucky (or unlucky) that that role just so happened to fall into the hands of the slot everyone thought was scum and were okay with launching on day 1?

OR is it just scum claiming whatever they want to stay alive for a night? Just based on statistics alone, this is like 90% a scumslot. When you account for the actual reasons this slot is being wagoned, I'm very confident it's scum

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Post Post #930  (isolation #102)  » Wed Jan 27, 2021 6:56 pm

In post 928, RCEnigma wrote:That doesn't have anything to do with me so, no defense I guess?

Yeah, sorry. Just part of the game.

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Post Post #936  (isolation #103)  » Wed Jan 27, 2021 6:58 pm

In post 933, Summer Nights wrote:songs

Alright, let me VIBECHECK this real quick

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Post Post #945  (isolation #104)  » Wed Jan 27, 2021 7:03 pm

In post 940, RCEnigma wrote:A.) 50% of guessing is being 60% wrong

2.) I made up most of those numbers because they aren't relevant

The point I'm making is evident

It's not a coincidence you're claiming a n1 vig as a doomed slot

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Post Post #948  (isolation #105)  » Wed Jan 27, 2021 7:08 pm

I think if you'd claimed a moderate PR that can't be confirmed, you still get launched. It's not the question of being a PR at all, it's the fact you claimed one of the only ones that would buy you a night (which on average you find 1 of in a normal game of mafia)

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Post Post #950  (isolation #106)  » Wed Jan 27, 2021 7:09 pm

Since people hadn't liked your catchup and no one had towny feelings, I predict you think you'd still die with an investigative claim for example. Hence the n1 vig just to buy a night

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Post Post #953  (isolation #107)  » Wed Jan 27, 2021 7:12 pm

I listened to your music and I think you should rename yourself to Winter Solstice, Summer. I have a zebra-read on your vibes right now

Here's something to PUMP you up:



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Post Post #954  (isolation #108)  » Wed Jan 27, 2021 7:13 pm

Also, I think RCE would probably be a bit more outraged or have more FIGHT in him if town here. He seems too "yeah I guess this can't be helped" for my liking

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Post Post #990  (isolation #109)  » Wed Jan 27, 2021 9:17 pm

Pretty sure Summer is town based on this reaction

Reck, it's "bad" because any other claim gets RCE launched anyway. There were no counterwagons and he was the designated launch. This is like the only claim that saves him - a confirmable town role

Please let's just flip the scumslot

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Post Post #994  (isolation #110)  » Wed Jan 27, 2021 9:20 pm

this TOXIC AtE is very towny lol

keep going, don't stop now with the townspewing

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Post Post #998  (isolation #111)  » Wed Jan 27, 2021 9:23 pm

In post 993, xRECKONERx wrote:i would 100% not launch a cop claim d1. i wouldn't launch a "n2" modified role probably? i don't know. maybe im big dumb stupid or some shit but "back in my day" you didn't claim an openly n1 confirmable role if you wanted to survive as scum. maybe it's diff now idfk man

huh really

I would definitely still launch the slot if it claimed cop, especially when the alternative would be a nullslot while I read that slot as scum, and I think others in this game would too

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Post Post #999  (isolation #112)  » Wed Jan 27, 2021 9:24 pm

In post 995, petapan wrote:i do think this moment has been more useful than 90% of the day in terms of drawing out AI content

staypositivefriend has weighed in on summer at my request and thinks she's town. i respect her a lot, i'm not a very analytical thinker and i like to lean on players who are, so i'm switching back

VOTE: RCEnigma

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Post Post #1005  (isolation #113)  » Wed Jan 27, 2021 9:25 pm

just vote him anyway, we want a hammer

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Post Post #1013  (isolation #114)  » Wed Jan 27, 2021 9:28 pm

you're not yourself when you haven't had your vibecheck Summer

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Post Post #1016  (isolation #115)  » Wed Jan 27, 2021 9:30 pm

hammer before Summer kills us all Datisi

please

you're the only one who can save us from her wrath

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Post Post #1022  (isolation #116)  » Wed Jan 27, 2021 10:09 pm

Sirius can you hammer RCEnigma

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Post Post #1025  (isolation #117)  » Wed Jan 27, 2021 10:38 pm

it's the real hectic

sorry you had to find out this way

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Post Post #1030  (isolation #118)  » Wed Jan 27, 2021 10:42 pm

In post 1026, Ydrasse wrote:i can fix you......

How? What you dealing?

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Post Post #1032  (isolation #119)  » Wed Jan 27, 2021 10:44 pm

deal but I want some vibes as part of that package

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Post Post #1071  (isolation #120)  » Sun Jan 31, 2021 9:24 am

hi Datisi
i have many questions

In post 927, Augustus Caesar wrote:Do you agree with what I'm saying, Datisi?

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is there a reason you never answered this question?

In post 967, Datisi wrote:i feel like i'm gonna regret this. whoever is not yet voting, get onto a wagon.

VOTE: summer

if we do flip summer today, tomorrow i am not buying any story about a roleblocker or a rolestopper or a jailkeeper or whatever the fuck.

also it's 2:30am and i'm still not done and i just wanna sleep.

why'd you vote Summer here?

In post 1000, Datisi wrote:fuck me
UNVOTE:
i was about to vote rce but idk the votecount
can i vote him anyway
is it a problem if he gets hammered right now
my care levels are low

why'd you unvote her here?

and finally
why'd you declare intent or ask whether you should hammer RCE but never actually do it?

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Post Post #1072  (isolation #121)  » Sun Jan 31, 2021 9:31 am

In post 374, Aristophanes wrote:
In post 373, petapan wrote:no offense but it feels like you're forcing analysis here

but as promised

VOTE: beeboy

because let's face it, this is what he does as scum, promising to read later and not post, anyone who knows him knows it, the game is so slow it shouldn't be a problem at all
That's fine, you're allowed to read into it.

I think a beeboy vote here is meh.

I mean, beeboy could and should be getting help from their team, meaning a lack of posts implied a lack of time/presence. I don't think we should let them off the hook with more proddodges, but Limming an inactive player is a cop out when we have a decent amount of content to base a Lim on here.

Ari probtown for this?
don't think scum!Ari is the type of player to boldly defend a partner like this
not when this argument is unlikely to change any minds anyway and the only thing it does is link him to beeboy


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Post Post #1073  (isolation #122)  » Sun Jan 31, 2021 9:35 am

In post 124, Black Hole Defection wrote:Same.

this is scum

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Post Post #1075  (isolation #123)  » Sun Jan 31, 2021 9:41 am

this is all pichu speaking
if you want to talk to me - ask for pichu
i'm not like the others who are okay with all being called "Augustus" or "Hectic" like they're all the same person
like wtf i'm my own baby pokemon and don't wanna be clumped up with th rest

pedit woah quick answer

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Post Post #1077  (isolation #124)  » Sun Jan 31, 2021 9:43 am

quick answers are a good thing
how was your team split for voting RCE or Summer?

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Post Post #1078  (isolation #125)  » Sun Jan 31, 2021 9:45 am

my concern about the hammer thing is that i think you're aware that a lack of urgency to be on a scumflip can look towny
so my tinfoil is that you kept asking and getting "yes just hammer him" - though this might've just been from me
but wanted to stay off the wagon for the possibility someone loltownreads you for "Datisi didn't feel the need to vote or hammer RCE"

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Post Post #1080  (isolation #126)  » Sun Jan 31, 2021 9:49 am

your vote landing only after Reck's did is also something that's eh to me
hm hm hm
oh i should rule out Datisi + Reck for the close proximity of those votes and scum not coutnerwagoning like that when they're unaware of the momentum from other townies

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Post Post #1082  (isolation #127)  » Sun Jan 31, 2021 9:51 am

In post 1079, Datisi wrote:also, if you're about to ask my current read on summer: fuck if i know. i still dislike most of her day one (peta said it nicely in the post he voted her) and i think it's weird rce never voted her. like, his n1 vig claim was obviously fabricated to at least let him survive one night. so when there was a counterwagon building, he could easily give an excuse of "better her than me". why doesn't he?

maybe but people will inevitably read that excuse as scummy or survivalitic
entirely possible he was going for "be non-survivalistic to look towny"
or would've just hammered her as soon as she hit E-1
don't think it reflects on Summer's alignment very much

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Post Post #1083  (isolation #128)  » Sun Jan 31, 2021 9:54 am

In post 1081, Datisi wrote:had anyone other than you (and maybe summer) said it? i was thinking of people like ari/bulge/sirius/xof/whoever else is a lurk/low-content, and wondering if it's worth giving them some time, and also wondering if people were gonna be mad at me for *not* giving them time.

just don't townread me for that ez clap?

lol ok
there were a lot of slots that hadn't reacted to the recent events so that's fair

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Post Post #1085  (isolation #129)  » Sun Jan 31, 2021 10:14 am

yee good point
i townlean or townread all of the LHF slots which makes this game very exciting to me
i want these wolves to be so deep that i have to use an anchor to fish them out

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Post Post #1087  (isolation #130)  » Sun Jan 31, 2021 10:16 am

non-random and entirely calculated boop

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Post Post #1089  (isolation #131)  » Sun Jan 31, 2021 10:27 am

working on those Datisi
i'm mobile posting while doing other activities but will probably iso people later

i will say that Deus is someone i have gutscumread and logictownread for the entire game
his tone feels scummy but everything he says makes sense and i like

i like your explanation that you thought RCE/Summer might've been SvS which is why you tactically didn't answer my question
that's a fairly nuanced thing to come up with as scum

wait gtg

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Post Post #1131  (isolation #132)  » Tue Feb 02, 2021 2:31 pm

In post 1097, Sirius9121 wrote:Staarling aka Hectic,

Is Drawn from Memory town or scum leaning and why

town leaning!!
the way he responded to pichu was quick and natural and his explanations made sense to a Staarling
and i think the way he's played the rest of this game has been fine
what do you think ?

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Post Post #1132  (isolation #133)  » Tue Feb 02, 2021 2:33 pm

In post 1101, Datisi wrote:someone please fucking call me scum or something so i have motivation for doing things

mood

I'm literally claiming Mafia Goon here.

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Post Post #1133  (isolation #134)  » Tue Feb 02, 2021 2:36 pm

In post 1102, xofelf wrote:But also it was peta who was side-eying me for that hammer, if theoretically I was in fact scum, why the hell would I let that be the shot?

This rubs me the wrong way. Could you expand on this for me? As I understand it, you're making the argument that scum!you wouldn't kill peta because he would read you as scum if RCE flipped town?

Seems like a fairly negligible piece of information to base an entire nightkill on, especially when you'd have to assume the inverse that he'd be townreading you if RCE flipped scum.

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Post Post #1134  (isolation #135)  » Tue Feb 02, 2021 2:38 pm

In post 1102, xofelf wrote:It takes me a lot of effort to any posts because either people are already saying what I want to say in so many more better words than I can and having my iso just be littered with "this" seems counterproductive, or I don't have anything new to contribute.

Ftr, you should still state what you agree and disagree with even if it's already been said, just for the sake of transparency. Reading into people's earlier takes is important for determining their alignment later. It also leaves scum less room to change what they were thinking when asked about a previous event if they're already locked into a stance.

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Post Post #1136  (isolation #136)  » Tue Feb 02, 2021 2:54 pm

In post 1106, xofelf wrote:Looking him over now. There's an interaction that he has with peta in #650 that feels overly defensive and aggressive in a needless sort of way. I don't remember that being Bulge's style, but I can't remember what or if I played with him where I actually have a sense of him. It just feels weird, especially now. Also his whole vanity wagon schtick was just pure theatre, of what sort, I don't know but it was absolutely a performance and it was very clear from his posts so far that he was always going to say it was you, it felt needless. But also considering his followup was to be then "now let's look at how Datisi and peta are partners!" was just meh. I didn't like it when it happened, but I like it less now. But idk, the way his post since daystart has had that feel of the wind out of his sails doesn't exactly feel fake. And it could be an actual re-evaluation that he's doing, or it's performative. We'll see when he does come back with these notes he's said he's taken and how he goes about it. So I guess re him, I'm more confused, I could put him in either camp easily. Misguided town or performative scum, equally valid reads I feel.

I still need more from Summer. Her posts after I talked about whether or not she and Adorable were a thang, kinda made me feel a lot about her where I think she's just nice and helpful. Adorable still pings weird, but at this point I can't tell if it's just my personal interaction with her or if I still think she's scummy. That feeling of a pair faded a lot, which could be intentional on their parts after it was talked about, but it doesn't feel that way. Or at least, Adorable's side of it doesn't feel that way.
In post 1107, Datisi wrote:maybe it's me being tired and only held awake by traces of caffeine, but my eyes started hella glazing over that post, to the point i thought this is scummy because it's a lot of text that doesn't say much of anything. *then* i remembered how i was having the same feeling about your posts in haunted village and used that as an ez shitpush. so now i don't know and i once again hate this game.

do you think being nice and helpful is ai? do you have like, any thoughts about her eod1?
In post 1108, xofelf wrote:Sorry man, lots of text that says nothing sums up my mafia play. Sometimes I have good points, but you kind of get train of thought directly.

I think nice and helpful is NAI. Her end of day felt frustrated, but in a way that felt like town watching the rest of town be idiots for not just killing the obvious scum target and worried that the vote wouldn't go through or another vote would happen. I know she had been put up as a flashwagon, but her reaction didn't read like it was caught scum but rather town being genuinely frustrated and mad that they were even a wagon at all when there was an obvious scum needing to die. It just felt like a genuine reaction to stupidity tbh. Not from a place of guilt.

Liking both sides of this interaction. The train of thought from xofelf feels organic, while Datisi drawing up that meta and reconsidering his gut feeling is also towny.

Also the following xofelf posts, I'm fan of the stream of consciousness style posting.

There's some small paranoia that xofelf is digging too much at Puff since she's very easy to critique in this manner, but that's probably my perception having played with Puff a lot and and being used to her. The paranoia stems from scum!xofelf using it as a thing to look productive and talk about, but her points are valid, so nah.

NAH

favehFGEjidjKIRFJESHNRVdrvkas]

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In post 1121, DeasVail wrote:I think it can be interesting seeing how people respond to different approaches to their slot. For example day 1 I gave petapan a lot of "shade" without ever really pushing him directly, while I was more aggressive at Adorable.

Was this a premeditated decision and why? What if people saw your shade throwing without pushing as scummy?

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Post Post #1137  (isolation #137)  » Tue Feb 02, 2021 2:54 pm

In post 1135, Datisi wrote:@hectic, what's your read on adorable currently??

Toppish town

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Post Post #1138  (isolation #138)  » Tue Feb 02, 2021 2:55 pm

In post 1135, Datisi wrote:adorable's comment about being a distraction to town yesterday pissed me off and i'm reading it back and it's still pissing me off holy shit lmao
like "gut reads can end in a miss" and other reads can't?????? "i have seen scum do gut reads" do i have to pull out a quote that i have seen scum!adorable do????

lol I get you
The things she says can be antagonistic and frustrating, but it's a towntell for her. There's no reason for her to be constantly casting suspicion everywhere and looking for conflict like this as scum. She'd probably be a lot more amiable

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Post Post #1139  (isolation #139)  » Tue Feb 02, 2021 2:56 pm

In post 1135, Datisi wrote:for the record: i went through all adorable completed games yesreday. yes, literally all of them. open her iso, ctrl+f the word "gut". in only two (2) games was it actually mentioned (not in passing/quoting): this game, where she shitpushed bob on the basis of having gutreads... and an old towngame where she suspected someone for having gutreads.

now, i thought this was gonna be a slam-dunk, but as she *did* make a post like that as town once... i guess it isn't.

huh
Did this thing about gutreads arise recently for you, Puff? When did you first adopt the opinion that gutreads are generally scummy?

I also gtg for now

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Post Post #1140  (isolation #140)  » Tue Feb 02, 2021 2:58 pm

In post 1136, Augustus Caesar wrote:The paranoia stems from scum!xofelf using it as a thing to look productive and talk about, but her points are valid, so nah.

Sorry, *their

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Post Post #1141  (isolation #141)  » Tue Feb 02, 2021 3:04 pm

VOTE: The Bulge

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Post Post #1177  (isolation #142)  » Thu Feb 04, 2021 7:43 pm

hi
will read up tomorrow
might as well claim right now
i'm town

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Post Post #1195  (isolation #143)  » Fri Feb 05, 2021 5:55 pm

I agree that is pretty town-indicative for xofelf. RCE entering and casing/ISOing xofelf also points more to them being town, I think scum would be more reluctant to do a big ISO on a partner. and then xofelf defending RCE in that manner but not actually trying to save him by actively pushing someone else smells like a lack of scum agenda

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Post Post #1196  (isolation #144)  » Fri Feb 05, 2021 5:56 pm

In post 1180, Datisi wrote:summer's 1143 reminded me of times where i am scum and have a read and i'm asked to explain that read, but i obviously don't have a thought process because i'm a scumfuck, so i keep dropping random words such as vibe and soulread that don't actually mean anything, and i'm doing weird things like... weird!!! punctuation??? and words with Random Capitals in hopes that people think it's some sorta gut read and leave me alone, while actually not saying anything

oh god that is exactly the feeling I got when reading that post but was hoping I was just seeing things

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Post Post #1198  (isolation #145)  » Fri Feb 05, 2021 6:00 pm

yeah, so, the bulge:
I wish I could say I was voting you because I see obvious scuminess but it's more because I see a lack of town. I have town feelings of some degree on most of the others slots, but not on you. the things that were potential scum pings were:
-overreacting to the whole peta thing on you not naming your secret scumread
-your datisi case being eh

other than that, it's just a lack of content. this really isn't a very long game, so if you could catch up and give general thoughts and stuff, that would help

uh, if you're looking for specific questions, how do you feel about xofelf/Ari/Summer as they seem to be slots people are giving most attention to today other than yourself?

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Post Post #1201  (isolation #146)  » Fri Feb 05, 2021 6:05 pm

In post 1186, Summer Nights wrote:*apology hug and gif*
Spoiler:
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Post Post #1202  (isolation #147)  » Fri Feb 05, 2021 6:06 pm

In post 1197, Creature wrote:
In post 1195, Augustus Caesar wrote:I agree that 829 is pretty town-indicative for xofelf

Then Summer it is?

I think she's more demotivated over scummy

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Post Post #1203  (isolation #148)  » Fri Feb 05, 2021 6:07 pm

In post 1200, Creature wrote:Can we even count on the scumteam being a bunch of beeboys?

So that'd be Summer and The Bulge? If only...

Deas could be scum but I can't vote him in good faith because I don't actually have reasons, it's still entirely a gutread. Do I vote a gutread which I can't convince people of? It doesn't seem realistic or productive

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Post Post #1205  (isolation #149)  » Fri Feb 05, 2021 6:09 pm

xofelf, want to lend me a hand on The Bulge and give them some more motivation to come back and do things?

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Post Post #1208  (isolation #150)  » Fri Feb 05, 2021 6:19 pm

oh oh oh
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Deus

In post 865, DeasVail wrote:Why I still think RCEnigma is scum:

In summary, the posts made by RCE to me are indicative, not of someone who is trying to actually work out what's going on in the game, but of someone trying to post content and look like they're doing stuff. Obviously town want to post content too, but the first priority is actually deciding "what do I think is happening here? Who is town? Who is scum?" As scum in RCE's position, replacing into a slot under pressure, the priority is more along the lines of "quick! I need to look like I'm town and solving!"

The priorities are different.

I believe RCE's posting fits into the "quick! I need to look like I'm town and solving category".

Firstly, in , he comes up with a shortlist poe of three people, from the first 7 pages of the game. I believe this to be incredibly unnatural. Firstly, because of coming up with a poe team from the first 7 pages of the game when there's much more than that and he clearly hasn't caught up. But why as town are you even making yourself come up with a scumteam of 3 7 pages into a catchup anyway. The most likely explanation for this is so that he's looking like he's scumhunting, rather than natural scumhunting itself.

Similarly reverts to commenting on how many scum are on the wagon, which is superficial and one of the easiest things to talk about as scum.

Consistent with my thoughts on the above is RCE's focus on the push of Adorable. If he was actually interested in reading me, a quick ISO (I don't have that many posts) would reveal my reasons for voting Adorable and also my pattern of going hard on pressuring people and re-evaluating my reads (examples being Adorable and Aristophanes). My approach this game has very clearly been to be aggressive, which RCE has noted, but I think the attempts to twist it as agenda-driven don't hold up with what I have posted. My coming around to a townread on Adorable was influenced by Peta's post, but with both Adorable and Aristophanes, there was still substantial suspicion and pressure from the game in general when I formed a townread. And I believe RCE has either ignored or hasn't thought to look for evidence that contradicts his thinking in relation to my slot. Similarly, he has ISO'd random people like Sirius but not me, despite being suspicious of my intimidation tactics. It doesn't fit with what I expect from town here.

I don't see anything in RCE's posts that is inconsistent with what I expect from scum in this position. Not all scum are going to be like beeboy and not post. Scum are supposed to try and look town, they're supposed to produce content and avoid being eliminated. This is exactly what I think RCE is doing.

^you landed a big case on RCE explaining all the reasons you thought he was scum. He was last in your reads and you seemed pretty confident about it.

he then claims, and you immediately unvote:
In post 903, DeasVail wrote:UNVOTE:


following this, he is in your "don't want to elim" pool. You try and find a new wagon in Summer, but the thing about this that bothers me is that you don't even provide reasoning for why RCE shouldn't be the elim today. You treat it as if it's an unspoken rule that a roleclaim like that should be given a night.
In post 917, DeasVail wrote:People I don't want to elim today:

Sirius, Aristophanes, Creature, xofelf, Adorable, xRECKONERx, RCEnigma (there's no real point in an elimination here right now to be honest, regardless of read on the slot)

The rest are potential options in my mind.

Summer Nights is the slot that I feel most indifferent about right now. Pushing there is kind of low value because she's not even really here, but it also feels like the most comfortable place for a vote. And peta voting there is eerie because it was the first thought in my mind when I unvoted as well and a lot of the reasons he has put forward are similar to what I have been thinking.

VOTE: Summer Nights


We then have this post:
In post 1035, DeasVail wrote:I feel like I'm the only one that actually finds Summer's reaction to the wagon not very alignment-indicative?

Also I don't really care if RCE is eliminated and in some ways it would be a relief to have it be over but I don't know if I can bring myself to do it because I still am of the opinion that if you can test a claim then may as well test it. I was as gung-ho about eliminating RCE as anyone and I still think he is most likely scum but aaaahh why did he have to claim that?

Where I'm at:

[Town]-- Aristophanes - Adorable, xRECKONERx, xofelf -- petapan, Sirius9121 - Augustus Caesar -- Creature, Datisi, The Bulge - [NULL] -- Summer Nights ---- ???RCEnigma??? -- [Scum]

This is a general guide of my reads not taking into account RCE flip possibilities.

Main things of note are that petapan has jumped to a more solid townread for me. I feel a bit underwhelmed by Creature, Datisi and The Bulge currently for various reasons and am considering scum in that group. And yeah, I don't see much town in Summer's posting.

I've been going gungho on voting out RCE anyway, and you come back and say "I don't really care if RCE is eliminated". but then why did you unvote with such confidence and find another wagon without even discussing or commenting the claim? that tells me in your mind, it absolutely gives RCE a night, and that you didn't feel the need to even explain why to others.

You also don't attempt to talk me down or argue that RCE should be given a night, you just let it happen despite you clearly being of the opinion that he should from you unvote/vote on Summer. why? I think it might be because you're his scum buddy that doesn't want to go as far as to actually defend him and make yourself look really bad the next day if I get the elim through (or the day after if he dies day 2 when there's no extra kill on night 1)

VOTE: Deus

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Post Post #1212  (isolation #151)  » Fri Feb 05, 2021 6:21 pm

In post 903, DeasVail wrote:UNVOTE:

In post 910, petapan wrote:okay, was keeping this read somewhere in the back pocket but i hashed this one out with the hivemind a little bit earlier today so i'm more comfortable outing it

the feeling is that summer nights came into the game eagerly fluffing and RPing with hectic to, like, find footing but just hasn't done much after. she has outed a few townreads but they feel very shallow in their reasoning and static in their movement, i don't get a sense they're being updated and re-evaluated as the thread moves as much. she's lacking in any insight. like saying she could "go for are" because he hasn't "done too much" is not good reasoning, but also a little soft, tentative, like it's reaching out to explore whether it's an acceptable push. also, the paranoia toward datisi in just feels fake, it doesn't feel truly as much like she's really fearful of being fooled by datisi again as much as she's acting paranoid of him to seem town and maybe pocket him a little bit. i don't know hw to explain that in the sense that she talks about being afraid of him in a fairly over the top way but doesn't really question him or critically examine what he's saying.

there's also the thing where she makes gestures toward generating content from beeboy's replacement in and but she has not really engaged with RCE at all (and has instead fallen into prod range)

i held back in the feeling she mught just be starting slow and she'd be more readable as the game went on but given the claim i want to vote here

VOTE: summer nights

In post 917, DeasVail wrote:People I don't want to elim today:

Sirius, Aristophanes, Creature, xofelf, Adorable, xRECKONERx, RCEnigma (there's no real point in an elimination here right now to be honest, regardless of read on the slot)

The rest are potential options in my mind.

Summer Nights is the slot that I feel most indifferent about right now. Pushing there is kind of low value because she's not even really here, but it also feels like the most comfortable place for a vote. And peta voting there is eerie because it was the first thought in my mind when I unvoted as well and a lot of the reasons he has put forward are similar to what I have been thinking.

VOTE: Summer Nights

there's also this ordering

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Post Post #1213  (isolation #152)  » Fri Feb 05, 2021 6:22 pm

to summarise:

>dues was VERY confident RCE was scum. last in his reads, and provided a scumcase on him
>dues unvotes as soon as RCE claims. he provides no explanation for why the claim should be given a night
>dues follows a vote onto Summer
>dues is not present while I am arguing that RCE should still die
>he now apparently doesn't really care if RCE is eliminated, and didn't attempt to discuss it with me or others at all


I think this is how a RCE partner handles this situation to a tee

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Post Post #1215  (isolation #153)  » Fri Feb 05, 2021 6:25 pm

In my mind, for RCE's claim to overcome Dues's desire to kill him due to his strong scumread on him, there needs to be VERY good reason that RCE's claim should be given a night. Reason that Dues should be able to articulate on and should be willing to discuss. The fact he doesn't care to discuss it or argue tells me it's because it'd look too scummy to, since he knows RCE eventually flips scum, and would rather not deal with that association. so he's willing to follow peta on Summer and unvote Dues without giving any reason why, but not willing to go any further than that and actually argue with me on killing RCE

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Post Post #1217  (isolation #154)  » Fri Feb 05, 2021 6:27 pm

In post 1207, xofelf wrote:
In post 1205, Augustus Caesar wrote:xofelf, want to lend me a hand on The Bulge and give them some more motivation to come back and do things?

As in vote him? Maybe. Like, having a bunch of votes doesn't always motivate people to engage. I know I've had a lot of votes on me just make me not want to bother and I don't want to give anybody else any further reasons to feel demotivated by this game. But maybe actually giving him specifics to address will be more effective?

I think people react to pressure differently. A lot of players as scum will feel the pressure and play worse under it, while as town there's more potential for people to feel motivated to show everyone they're town, and spew more unfiltered thoughts that can be recognised as such. Mafia can never spew those unfiltered thoughts due to being informed about everyone's alignment.

A vote on Dues would be helpful!

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Post Post #1218  (isolation #155)  » Fri Feb 05, 2021 6:27 pm

In post 1216, Creature wrote:I'm doing DeasVail for DGB

Nice

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Post Post #1222  (isolation #156)  » Fri Feb 05, 2021 6:29 pm

Yeah, so Dues. I wanna hear why:

RCE's claim was enough for you to unvote
Why you didn't bother to discuss the claim at the time
Why you didn't bother to argue with me on killing RCE, or give opposition to it in your last post of the day
Why you said you were fine with a RCE elim if you unvoted

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Post Post #1231  (isolation #157)  » Fri Feb 05, 2021 6:57 pm

sounds like you've been playing some chat mafia Creature

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Post Post #1233  (isolation #158)  » Fri Feb 05, 2021 7:20 pm

I once /inned to a MU micro game because it had cool flavour so why not
Shortly after the game begun, I realised it was an entirely mountainous 2v7 setup, and not only that, but the first vote you put down in lylo was locked in? Yeah, mafia won that no surprises there
oh and also, we didn't even hit 20 pages I think. It had like 4 ultra lurkers

So what you describe baffles me

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Post Post #1236  (isolation #159)  » Fri Feb 05, 2021 8:22 pm

Oh hey, Wisdom still plays mafia

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Post Post #1243  (isolation #160)  » Fri Feb 05, 2021 9:22 pm

In post 1237, Creature wrote:
In post 1236, Augustus Caesar wrote:Oh hey, Wisdom still plays mafia

It's a different Wisdom

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Post Post #1244  (isolation #161)  » Fri Feb 05, 2021 9:23 pm

In post 1238, xRECKONERx wrote:Is faking a dayvig modkillable, asking for a friend

Yeah, you shouldn't do it

Dayvig: xRECKONERx

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Post Post #1245  (isolation #162)  » Fri Feb 05, 2021 9:23 pm

In post 1242, xRECKONERx wrote:So does DV.

Why?

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Post Post #1247  (isolation #163)  » Fri Feb 05, 2021 9:25 pm

I missed you, Ydrasse! It's only been this Summer person recently, and just between you and me, she's kinda weird

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Post Post #1250  (isolation #164)  » Fri Feb 05, 2021 9:27 pm

In post 1239, The Bulge wrote:
In post 772, Augustus Caesar wrote:Bulge: Did you write and right after one another?

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yea when I multipost like that it's usually when I've composed a bunch of posts sort of concurrently. sometimes I leave them in tabs and come back to them, if I have to, but I usually submit all at once when I'm done.

just gonna assume it's NAI for you and not bother to do the research

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Post Post #1252  (isolation #165)  » Fri Feb 05, 2021 9:29 pm

In post 1249, Ydrasse wrote:IM FREE TO POST HERE NOW BTW ill add a 2 person iso to my acc for team mafia <3 sorry for being annoying but ithis is literally like a mental block being removed by being able to post on here and not on my account and now i am going to do so many cool good things for this game it's going to be un fucking believable are you guys READY?

yeah Summer was dumb, she had her eyes closed the whole time, i thought she was a really slow blinker at first but then got concerned as the days went by
like how do you scumhunt blind lol

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Post Post #1254  (isolation #166)  » Fri Feb 05, 2021 9:30 pm

DeasVail
the guy you voted lol

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Post Post #1258  (isolation #167)  » Fri Feb 05, 2021 9:31 pm

I would lie to you 1000 times over and then backstab and hammer you during lylo as scum

but I'm town so I won't :>

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Post Post #1260  (isolation #168)  » Fri Feb 05, 2021 9:32 pm

if you're scum can you just kill me the night before we enter lylo? don't put me through that suffering

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Post Post #1263  (isolation #169)  » Fri Feb 05, 2021 9:34 pm

so you only start HARD BUDDYING once you switch over to Ydrasse huh
this is your agenda filled no shame account I see

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Post Post #1265  (isolation #170)  » Fri Feb 05, 2021 9:35 pm

maybe your goal is to make this read as scum theatre and drag me down with you

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Post Post #1266  (isolation #171)  » Fri Feb 05, 2021 9:35 pm

which way are you twirling it?

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Post Post #1268  (isolation #172)  » Fri Feb 05, 2021 9:37 pm

CLASSIC Ydrasse scumgame

and you know I prefer it anti-clockwise so that kinda stings

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Post Post #1270  (isolation #173)  » Fri Feb 05, 2021 9:43 pm

No one's called me gus in centuries....

Is that really you, Cleopatra?

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Post Post #1272  (isolation #174)  » Fri Feb 05, 2021 9:45 pm

you were such a good powerwolf back in the days

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Post Post #1273  (isolation #175)  » Fri Feb 05, 2021 9:46 pm

oh the villagers you would launch over the castle walls

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Post Post #1276  (isolation #176)  » Fri Feb 05, 2021 9:47 pm

In post 1274, Ydrasse wrote:town

is this a crumb? you're claiming unprompted? really really sus

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Post Post #1278  (isolation #177)  » Fri Feb 05, 2021 9:48 pm

what's your tft trait read on me this game

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Post Post #1279  (isolation #178)  » Fri Feb 05, 2021 9:49 pm

In post 1277, Ydrasse wrote:Kinda scummy of you to point that out imo :/ little sus

don't start with that, you shouldn't have made it so obvious in the first place...?
if deas wasn't scum I'd ask for a policy here

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Post Post #1284  (isolation #179)  » Fri Feb 05, 2021 9:53 pm

you only gave me like 10 mana so it wasn't even worth it, I'll just use a blue buff next time smh

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Post Post #1286  (isolation #180)  » Fri Feb 05, 2021 9:54 pm

come back stacked with 3 rabadons if you wanna prove yourself

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Post Post #1289  (isolation #181)  » Fri Feb 05, 2021 9:56 pm

we should keep this game relevant or we'll get told off
beeboy was the early tahm kench who sat there and did nothing, soaking up damage and attention

then he became obsolete because we were playing warlords, so he was sold and replaced with RCEnigma, a Teemo for the sharpshooter bonus
he kinda put up a good fight but then we realised Teemo is pretty garbage so he had to go as well because we found Samira instead

you say you're some kind of divine spirit mage? what you even good for in this comp

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Post Post #1290  (isolation #182)  » Fri Feb 05, 2021 9:57 pm

i'm HERE
so demanding nowadays jeez

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Post Post #1292  (isolation #183)  » Fri Feb 05, 2021 10:01 pm

wtf can you keep it lowkey next time?
kinda offensive saying it's highkey
uh how do you fit in 6 warlords with yuumi
like we need Datisi-Azir and Reck-Jarvan for keeper they've been solid

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Post Post #1296  (isolation #184)  » Fri Feb 05, 2021 10:05 pm

your hehe is strange because it's capitalised

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Post Post #1299  (isolation #185)  » Fri Feb 05, 2021 10:06 pm

chosen unit is petapan-nidalee he made the comp work and sniped beeboy from a mile away
but someone sold him ??
so we need another chosen now
who's it gonna be

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Post Post #1303  (isolation #186)  » Fri Feb 05, 2021 10:09 pm

what a beautiful post
i'll read it now

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Post Post #1304  (isolation #187)  » Fri Feb 05, 2021 10:10 pm

In post 1302, Ydrasse wrote:Hi bulge

i like how ou colorcoded us :D

stooped down to using mafiascum emojis huh?
really going for the too scummy to be scum schtick this game

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Post Post #1309  (isolation #188)  » Fri Feb 05, 2021 10:15 pm

bulgey
why am i your top town
you only had like 1 thing you called towny from me

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Post Post #1310  (isolation #189)  » Fri Feb 05, 2021 10:18 pm

In post 1300, The Bulge wrote:hectic
datisi
adorable
sirius
summer

deasvail
xofelf

reck
creature
ari

i think the top 5 are my top 5 too actually
oh would remove self with xofelf

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Post Post #1311  (isolation #190)  » Fri Feb 05, 2021 10:18 pm

not ordered though

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Post Post #1316  (isolation #191)  » Fri Feb 05, 2021 10:21 pm

do you mean reck is trying to pocket both wagonees?

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Post Post #1320  (isolation #192)  » Fri Feb 05, 2021 10:24 pm

wtf i see what you did there

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Post Post #1324  (isolation #193)  » Fri Feb 05, 2021 10:26 pm

honestly so considerate of you to look out for people like that

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Post Post #1325  (isolation #194)  » Fri Feb 05, 2021 10:27 pm

the bulge
do you have any thoughts on my case on deas?

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Post Post #1329  (isolation #195)  » Fri Feb 05, 2021 10:30 pm

good good

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Post Post #1332  (isolation #196)  » Fri Feb 05, 2021 10:33 pm

what's up?
i'm innocent

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Post Post #1335  (isolation #197)  » Fri Feb 05, 2021 10:35 pm

exactly
i would never murder you in your sleep

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Post Post #1337  (isolation #198)  » Fri Feb 05, 2021 10:43 pm

In post 1294, Isis wrote:Ydrasse replaces Summer Nights.

yikes
almost missed this scummy replaceout

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Post Post #1340  (isolation #199)  » Fri Feb 05, 2021 10:45 pm

the game's solved now reck

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