Micro 997: Superb Idea Mafia - GAME OVER

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first

VOTE: pirate mollie

piracy is bad

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Titus is town.

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VOTE: Momrangal

never trust people who egopost before RVS

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my vote on Mom is now serious

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Early defeatism, already wanting to claim 3p, lmao

absolutely pessimistic caught scum, the only other answer is if there's a jester in the Superb Idea thread.

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i may be willing to let [REDACTED] win if [REDACTED] winning does not end the game.

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Early defeatism, already wanting to claim 3p, lmao

absolutely pessimistic caught scum, the only other answer is if there's a jester in the Superb Idea thread.

He doesn't believe this, btw. He just finished a game with scum-me and I had literally fought back on a guilty. There were also much stronger pushes on me in that game, on that Day one and I used those pushes to my advantage. I don't throw my hands up as scum, ever.

This is also extremely simple minded, and very shallow when he is capable of thinking beyond such a thing as town

you fought back an vague guilty which you didn't know the role, which you yourself stated you were frustrated with in dead thread afterwards.
You are also playing in a different game now, coming off the heels of a game in which the scumteam was thrashed handedly, only being in any sort of trouble because of town error.
furthermore, you said this in post-game chat:

And now my 4th scum game had just finished.

Any more scum roles and I may just peace out

and now your turning around and trying to say my push on you is simple-minded and using vague meta on me to try and push a mis-elim on me.
this only further convinces me you are not 3p, you are scum that was dejected in the beginning from rolling scum again and coming from a bad scum game.

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Unless otherwise stated, upon completing win condition, the third party player leaves the game and can joint with town or mafia.

From the Superb Idea thread.

Momrangal is absolutely a good policy here, and I think she's likely to be scum regardless.

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That said

VOTE: WhemeStar

don't like their progression on the previous page, want to poke around a little bit and it's still early in the day.

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and by previous I mean page 2, i'm super smart

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amusing.

Why not follow the policy lim?

i literally stated

want to poke around a little bit and it's still early in the day.

I will still probably push for Momrangal at the end of the day, but I don't want to have scum have an easy d1 by being able to coast on a 3p wagon. Which is why I'm not super opposed to the Koba wagon that's happening at the moment.

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and by 3p wagon I mean possible 3p wagon or bus. either way, I think I don't want to give scum an easy coast for D1.

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do you have like, thoughts about the game, wheme?

why'd you state you were okay with jester winning then immediately switch to me? what in Momrangel's post made you believe her?

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like seriously u need to watch yourself when u try to push me like this like u shitpush me every game when ur town. except in council where funnily enough i got tr when i was scum - clearly whatever u are reading u need to flip it opposite.

and thats not a bad thing - i do this for FL and another offsite player named SPF - if im townreading them with my reading style i scumread them, and vice versa.

If I'm interpreting this interaction correctly, you don't think Gamma's push on you is scum-motivated?

Asking because Gamma's push on you is based on a game I've never read and therefore can't extract alignment from. You and him are both in my null spot at the moment.

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So what are your reads of me and momrangal now?

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Like the thing about me not wanting to push Dk as scum is kinda valid, when I was scum against them I tried wholeheartedly to pocket them (there were special circumstances but I think those don’t matter too much)

oh yeah I agree with Koba you are probably town here just based on my recent experience with you (where you propped up Frogster a lot and ended up deepwolfing)

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jester is a badly designed role in general and I hate it unless it's gated.

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Who do you want to go after right now, Titus?

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I just realized my phone auto correct RB to BG

thank u pgo for claiming - now lets stop talking about claims.

If you believe it's a town PGO why would you out it like this?

Was PGO even in the thread?

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VOTE: bugspray

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koba wagon is awful btw

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oh wait Hatter changed his vote

so I guess it's just bugspray that's awful

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koba I feel like your playing weirder than usual this game

idk that post above feels like something you'd be cagier about normally

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UNVOTE:

Don't really have a good foothold in this game at the moment. Not really convinced with the narrative Mom and Hatter are pushing, and I've got too much null in my reads at the moment. I have some theories about the more inactive slots but nothing that goes beyond gut.

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ok bugspray is clear of groupscum

And therefore sadly you are not. The Legends that have reached my table are of a posting machine, regardless of being stirred into action or otherwise. Why, The Legends speak of the Bored DkKoba being quite an aggressive poster and taking on many points at once!

As for our yappy Outworlder friend, perhaps prod and poke the people who are here and active, to refine your reads and such? You are not appreciative of the narrative formed by Momrangel and myself, why? What of the case presented does not appear good to you? What would your options be should a Vigilante place you in a do or fade situation?

I think my biggest problem at the moment is that the claim (as far as I understand it, my head can be in multiple places sometimes) is that Momrangal gambited a 3p claim to draw out the real 3p, which is Wheme. This makes her town but...why? I don't see why a very adventurous scum couldn't venture to out the 3p for town points and to get rid of a threat during the night, especially since a lot of 3p's in the Superb Idea thread are basically just "Townie but they leave the game after doing something".

This is especially a problem since Wheme being the 3p is a contested idea.

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Incorrect.

why do you think I'm 3p

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okay

what's your case on Hatter, cuz I haven't really seen much of you on them.

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Gamma's response seems kinda fake unless my man's is like 14 in which case it's probably real.

I don't really like this shitfight either way because it involves Meta and tells that I have no experience with. Although I'll admit I'm being hypocritical with that because my own read on Gamma is based on my past experience with his scum play.

It does kinda say something about his contribution to the game so far that most reads on him are coming from meta, however.

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it isn't hammer by the way

Wheme was already on the wagon before that vote, it's still at 4: mollie, Koba, Wheme, Pooky

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because I was unable to tell if it was a reaction test or if people genuinely just forgot.

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I think Gamma's just siteflaked overall.

sadness

talk to me about Wheme.

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did a little rereading

Koba/Hatter is probably TvT i feel

Looking at {Wheme, Gamma, Pooky, Mom}, of those my strongest SR's are on Wheme and Gamma.

VOTE: Gamma

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@Wheme could you at least point to posts or anything specific that makes you feel that way?

I'll be honest I don't really get much of anything from Mollie's posts.

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outworld hasn't called me scum yet

very susp

well both games I played with you you were consistently fluff-posting and it's made it hard for me to tell when you're scum or when you're town.

so I'll give it a few more days before I death-tunnel you for active lurking

outworld what are u looking at game wise rn? u have been quiet for a bit.

The people under fire have just kinda fucked off. The whole 3p claims and shenanigans have muddied my reads and I'm generally just kinda wanting to go with the flow here. I don't really see anything egregiously bad from any slot. I do have a TvT read with you and Hatter, Titus I have some townleans on, and that's as far as I'm able to comfortably state.

I think I want something within {Mom, Wheme, Gamma} just to get a picture of where things lie within those interactions.

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would you prefer I use my other meta-tell for you

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okay

come up with a bad mechsolve in 3 days time or i death-tunnel you

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Momrangal is confirmed scum.

I'm a Loyal Vig. I shot Momrangal and as is visible, she is not dead.

VOTE: Momrangal

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i looked thru the thread

i dont see a loyal vig?

Post 6

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also there are Maf RB's and there is a Town JK in the thread. So yes, it's possible my result is a false positive.

I still don't exactly think it's fucking likely, given your play, but still.

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I'm probably not shooting tonight.

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Mom flips scum + 2 NK's (if I shoot wrong) = 3v1, puts us in MyLo

Mom flips town + 2 NK's (if I shoot wrong) = we lose lmao

Mom flips scum + 1 NK (if I shoot right) = we win

Mom flips town + 1 NK (if I shoot right) = we go to 4v1 after limming the scum I shoot, which isn't terrible, I guess.

basically, I feel that the risk is too high for any potential reward after the first night.

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trying to spin me as confscum when DkKoba (who had me as locktown after Gamma flip) was the night elim and the fact that I have no reason to fake a guilty on you here, much less one with this much room for error is pretty fuckin rich.

At this point I'm just waiting on Mollie to confirm or deny if they had protected you/blocked me and then hammering you. If my guilty is a false positive I probably want Hatter today instead and Pooky can shoot you tonight.

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guys

I think I fucked up royally.

It's my fault dkoba is dead. I am sorry.

I am cool to be eliminated because I quite frankly, don't trust my judgement.

what do y'all want me to do

can you like

elaborate

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UNVOTE:

not letting anyone hammer until Mollie explains.

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we shouldn't shoot at all if Mom flips town because I can't kill scum and if either of us hits town (which you will be doing if you shoot me) we lose the game.

Intent to Hammer, once Hatter is done with whatever they're thinking about.

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like is there a world in which you aren't the elim tomm if mom flips town?

If you shoot me with a green flip we fucking lose the game dude unless Mollie stops the scum NK by some miracle.

Your being far too naive if you think if you think I automatically get mis-limmed if Mom flips town.

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Wheme and Hatter haven't claimed, I think?

I will probably shoot Hatter, you can shoot Wheme.

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oh wait I forgot about the cop clear.

sorry i'm tired

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Titus - Targeted Wheme, got town result


So yeah we're missing Hatter and Wheme's claims only.

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Pooky if you are a vig then shoot Titus, I'll shoot Mollie. If neither of them are scum then Wheme is just a Godfather or you are scum.

VOTE: Momrangal

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also Hatter what post is your role because I cannot find IC or IC-equivalents in the thread.

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The game is in mechsolve though. You shoot Titus I shoot Mollie. It can only be one of those two unless it's you, in which case you self-resolve.

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Like even if I were the scum here and Mom's town the other scum has to be in one of those two.

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bro what the fuck

what a wild game

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I can understand why the mafia felt the game was over, you literally had every confirmable role still alive.

But why does this matter

Pooky was going to shoot me, 100%.

If they killed Hatter then doesn't town just auto-lose that day?

6v2v1, we got the 1 down on D1, 5v2 the next day, we elimmed town, 4v2, Pooky shoots me and the scum can kill Hatter with impunity, that's parity.

I'm so confused.

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I was considering putting in some posts after /in-ing for this game but then I was like "that might be construed as gaming the system"

Anyways, put me in for the pre-ins.