Micro 997: Superb Idea Mafia - GAME OVER

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EGO

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Pftt

VOTE: OWER

How's that for RVS

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Meh, if we're gonna miselims, I'm probably not a bad option

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Oh, obligatory question.

Does town want to eliminate scum or 3p?

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There is!

Also an unjester

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Wins by being killed at night.

There is also a jester role that wins if three people call them a jester. Shall we test that out ladies and gents?

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Wins by being killed at night.

There is also a jester role that wins if three people call them a jester. Shall we test that out ladies and gents?

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Those faces are as clear as day

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Wins by being killed at night.

There is also a jester role that wins if three people call them a jester. Shall we test that out ladies and gents?

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Early defeatism, already wanting to claim 3p, lmao

absolutely pessimistic caught scum, the only other answer is if there's a jester in the Superb Idea thread.

He doesn't believe this, btw. He just finished a game with scum-me and I had literally fought back on a guilty. There were also much stronger pushes on me in that game, on that Day one and I used those pushes to my advantage. I don't throw my hands up as scum, ever.

This is also extremely simple minded, and very shallow when he is capable of thinking beyond such a thing as town

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i may be willing to let [REDACTED] win if [REDACTED] winning does not end the game.

He's also saying this while not unvoting me. The town move here would be to clarify the game moving forward.

I probably got this game broken wide open already but it's the second day of day one and there are tons of people who having gotten much of their own two cents in since the game moved on to more serious topics

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the fuck is an unjester

Maybe bugsy here is a little upset that he drew scum again while I get to win if three people call me a jester in this game

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the fuck is an unjester

Maybe bugsy here is a little upset that he drew scum again while I get to win if three people call me a jester in this game

terrible take - bugs is more upset to roll town.

How do you figure? They just played scum.in three games simultaneously and feels burned out by it, not that I would blame them.

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@pirate mollie, why Gamma?

Momrangel is a jester.

If this ends the game, so be it.

If I'm not a jester, what is your thoughts on Stars clarity?

Also, two more

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and now your turning around and trying to say my push on you is simple-minded and using vague meta on me to try and push a mis-elim on me.

It is a very black and white statement and push regardless of whatever meta I used

And yes I am burned out as scum but I was just as burned out while I was playing the 4 games simultaneously as I am now. If I wasn't playing a sloppy game then, why would I play sloppy here?

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Whemestar

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Also, man oh man did I need more mollie in my life

Don't do drugs kids, they'll control yer

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I'll definitely play for town, isn't that what I'm doing?

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What flea person?

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for realz, she could very well be town and doing this, lol. it is why I am not worrying about it. I imagine the problem is self-resolving.

Even after all this time, mollie knows me too well <3

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outworld is so blatantly town never elim that slot thanks

I don't agree with you

Alsoooo

Set up is confirmed 6:2:1.

As you said, games are 3 dementional. I understand you think that it's more typical for scum to claim 4p or whatever but why do you think scum would open themselves up to a CC this early on and instead hope that they can kill the 3p at night and at the same time, hope the 3p can maybe work for them?

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VOTE: WhemeStar

I am not ok with a jester win.

THE JOKE IS THEY ARENT A JESTER

And if I were to guess, Neither are you

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Compulsive bodyguard survivor
Free spirit (causes night kills to fail if target makes kill, wins if they prevent kill in this manner)
Lyncher who can self treestump
Night enabling survivor
Bulletproof who can redirect night actions (wins if 4 night actions are redirected)
BG 3p role
Hider 3p role
Unjester (jester that wins if NK'D)
Kidnapper (all actions fail on kidnapped person, kidnapped person cannot do actions) survivor wincon
JOAT with three protective abilities, survivor wincon
Bulletproof SK
Doctor With the condition of target dying the following night if kill was prevented. Wins if prevents three kills
Some demon survivor role
A jester who is a compulsive BG and also vengeful
Someone who wins if never targeted by night actions
A survivor who is ascetic and bulletproof
A poisoner survivor who dies if targeted twice
Jester Framer
Gravedigger miller BG unjester
BP miller SK
Gladiator who wins if gladiated target is elimiated
A survivor who is townie D2 (one shot townie)
Rolecop survivor
Double voter separatist. Splits the plist in two, and wins if only one of those groups remain
Rolestopper who wins when 1: a night happens where there isn't a kill or town wins without reaching Elo or Mylo

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An SK type role that can functions as RC, RC'd target is protected and if kill is attempted reclaimer is notified. Can day kill anyone who is reclaimed

Odd cycle jester, even cycle unjester

Highroller: can place bets on players. If elimiated following day, chip is earned. Can place high stake bet. Wins if wins high stake bet it holds three chips, looses if high stake bet is lost
1shot death proof survivor
Super jester (wins if three or more people call them jester)
A JK who wins if they are number one on a scum wagon that goes through
Combined Cycle 1/4/6/7 Jester / Cycle 2/3/5/8 Unjester / Cycle 9+ Survivor
Even cycle jester, odd cycle unjester
Mastermind. Wins if scum gets their wincon but scum lose anyway. Scum are aware of the presence of mastermind
SK who gives all scum 1shot BP but redirects all scum kills to target of choice.
A auto hammerer who wins as a lyncher
3P inquisitor
Brawler (doesn't exist this game. Three people are revealed to town, one scum one town and them)
Prophet . Predicts when game ends, win if prediction is correct. Select targets at night, target cannot die until after the next elimination. Everyone is aware of this at day start.
Survivor cult
Bomber. Can put fuse on target. If target is attacked, target survives and fuse is lit. Once lit, bomber must be eliminated within two days or everyone dies.
Lyncher who comes back as werewolf
Arsonist
2shot gunsmith survivor
Obsessed SK, cannot kill at night until they eliminate the object of their obsession which is chosen pre d1
Night 1 doomed jester. Dies after night one
Devil (3p who wins with mafia)
3p that gains the role of the first dead person and wins with the team of first person who died. Dies on N2.
Another survivor with a one shot BP
Guardian angel. Survivor type role who wins when their target survives to end game

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Day BP SK
SK who chooses invest immunity or BP
Pirate. 3p RB who can duel people. Wins if wins three duels
A BP survivor who doesn't get a role PM
A jester who prevents everyone from getting a role PM, and is informed of everyone's roles
Survivor with 1 shot RC and 1 shot self doc
The first 3p found on a random page for greater idea
Unjester cop disabler
Survivor who is obsessed with threes
Survivor with three one shot neighborizor.
An SK that shift into the role of their target
A 3p who wins if targeted three times in a single night
3p neighborizor who wins if their neigbor wins and neighbor gets a 1 shot bp vest
An SK role called dawnkiller
A 3p role who cannot win and swaps alignments with a target
A bodyguard who wins if their target wins the game

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I'm town bodyguard, and Whemestar is the real 3p given he was the only one who knew without a doubt that jester didn't exist in this game.

He cannot be a free spirit because that is the 3p role that is attached to my post in the superb idea thread, and I'm inclined to believe he is none of the crazy amount of submitted jester roles in the game.

So the question is, which of these roles does Whemestar have, and what are the odds that Whemestar can townside this game.

It also means that we have effectively one less person to worry about this game so

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BG 3p role
Hider 3p role

Defender (the BG 3P role) wins if they prevent a kill
Hider wins like an SK

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Game Specific:
Randomly generate 10 numbers from between 1 and the most recent post number in the thread.
6 of the posts: Add town role to the setup.
2 of the posts: Add mafia role to the setup.
2 of the posts: Send both of the third party roles to a random player. This player will choose which third party role they want.
Setup is made. Rest of Role PMs are sent out. Game begins.

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There are 67 possible 3P roles in the game

18 of them have survivor wincons

13 roles that have an SK wincon

7 3P roles that work similar to a lyncher

11 jester akin roles

And 17 3P roles that have different type of wincon.

And one that can't even win

Three of those in the last group I know for a fact doesn't exist.

Free spirit doesn't exist and brawler doesn't exist. None of the jester roles exist in this game, and the survivor who doesn't get a role PM doesn't exist in the game because if it did, we would have probably have seen it when the person has checked in.

That leaves us with 53 possible 3p roles that can be in the game

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Two of the survivor akin roles can effectively work for town, the guardian angel is conditional, however to the angels target being town.

One of the lyncher roles can explicitly townside

Otherwise, of the 17 roles with a different type of wincon four of them can explicitly town side. Two of them are explicitly scum sided. Most of the remaining 11 are all more or less revolved around a single person, be it protecting that person or surviving with that person. A few others are dependant on who is the first one to be elimiated.

This means, of the 53 possible 3p roles that Whemestar can be

7 of the 53 works for town

2 of the 53 that works for scum

13 out of 53 that wins independently

And 11 that can win with either or alignment

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And now I've hurt my head and will probably only speak gibberish from here. I feel like I opened up the game but yeah.

The option to leash Whemestar is real here, and make him work for town or he faces the option that he doesn't get to see his actual wincon here

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Why did you say I was scum instead of 3p?

If there is a reason you know without a doubt that jester doesn't exist in the game, I'm down to hear it

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I just realized my phone auto correct RB to BG

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I also think roleblocker is a stupid role for town to have and using it is more anti-town than it is town

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Is there a scum role that would have info about what 3p exists
Because WhemeStar feels like scum with how he responded to momrangal

Savy mafioso. If the mastermind exists this game, then Whemestar and his partner would be aware of his presence so there is also that, which would suck

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that said, the leaves in the old cup say mom from this angle... I'm not sure...

I wont hesitate to quickhammer either way.

I'm not sure where you're coming from with Koba, they seem like their town self

Pedit: I feel like I'm more likely to target town than I am scum, and in a game that's all PRs I could be a doc or cop

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could be a doc or cop

RB a doc or a cop. Suffice to say, if I survive I'm not going to use my abilities. I'm not super confident outside of Whemestar and OWER scum and DK and Titus town

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Whemestar and OWER scum

Well, anti-town. I'm still pretty certain Whemestar is 3P but you do bring up a solid point

Pedit: well, fair I guess but that's if we eliminate scum

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And if we have a killing 3P role, or Whemestar is vagrant (3P hider) then false positives can happen. There are also some commuting roles for town and scum iirc

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If you claim a town role then I would know which 3p role you are, do yeah, it could help!

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Mmm

Intent on hammer of wheme

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I don't think we will be though.

Where else are you reading Koba, I still don't see where you're coming from regarding OWER

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I wish bugs iso wasn't so empty

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Hammering less than 2 days in is oof

Why is it ok for you to place gamma at E2 but alice bunny scum for doing the exact same thing

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Mad hatter

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Did you look over the thread?

There are more town-siding 3P roles then there are scum siding 3p roles and there are a smaller amount of 3p roles who have the SK wincon and most of the 3p roles sport the survivor wincon.

I'm not keen on actually ending the day early despite my statement on on insta-hammering Whemestar. I'm not keen on his play, but I'm more concerned with finding scum based on the 3p info

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I'm also entirely dissatisfied with the content that are coming from other slots this game

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wheme town

Just shoot down all my anti-town reads why don't you

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Also, tea is straight Null. Their argument against you is entirely reasonable and based off the content in the game. You are blatantly sheeping others into the game, including me onto OWER even though you have a scum read on me.

At the same time , tea party doesn't give much of their own reads and expand on what they are thinking on their reads and keen on pushing the cases others put forth

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That said, if you think I'm aligned with mafia this game, why are you interested in what I'm thinking?

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NGL, I'm coming to the same conclusions as Koba here wrt Gamma

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Woah a pooky

Who'd they replace?

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Also taxes dropped so... Yah...

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Part of me wants to state intent to move this day forward.

Part of me is like, more people need to post more and I'm low-key losing fire.

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While I have a moment, molla is correct in that the only day cop variant that is in the superb idea thread is one that reveals the alignment in thread and the cop suicides that night.

I do agree with hatter that gammas response isnt overblown here, but I'm not keen on his play regardless. He would be annoyed at that kind of push regardless of his alignment so his emotional outburst isnt doing anything for me.

I also disagree with Hatter scum because I don't think he would go to bat so hard for a buddy this early knowing it's going to put him under negative fire come tomorrow.

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I also dont think Koba!scum would be sloppy with their fakeclaim as and I think Koba!town would run a gambit and not double check the thread to see if it's viable to actually do.

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I pose another question.

Why is Koba scum for the gambit but I don't get the same treatment? If town doesn't have reason to lie, then I'm either being truthful about being jester or I am scum.

Having claimed Jester is setting myself up to lose so...?

Also, apologies for the misgendering

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They are insisting that I'm wrong. No one has really looked into the setup spec and no one has really talked about it outside wheme saying I'm wrong and stuff

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I would very much enjoy engagement outside my scum reads

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Mmm...

I'll just...

VOTE: wheme

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Anti-town exists in (wheme, OWER, gamma)

Anti-town might exist in (titus)

Null: Molli


Null: pookie

Town?: Mollie

Town:hatter

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Oh koba is also town

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Anti-town: (wheme, OWER, gamma)

Anti-town?: (titus)

Null: pookie

Town?: Mollie

Town:hatter, koba

Fixed list

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BAHAHAHAHAHA

VOTE: Momrangal

Ok, let's go then. Tomorrow's elimination will be obv. Don't even think loyal vig was a submitted town role tbh

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Post number 6

Still, this is a hell of a gambit and a way to remove two for one.

I also don't think hatter would make such an obvious kill, not when their buddy make such an obviously losing gambit.

Best guess for second partner for OWER is Titus

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Actually, titus and pooky are the top two who are most likely expected to carry this game to the end. Titus made motions to make one think that she was going to add to the set up spec and pooky didnzero set upspec, or comments on them even though I've heard he likes set up spec. Titus also has avoided VCA

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Also before I head to bed, tomorrow is Elo. Mass claim

needs

to happen today or tomorrow.

We have a claimed town RB or scum RB. we also have a claimed town loyal vig or scum tracker

We have

Pedir: there is only one role blocker and I am it

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I don't see roleblocker submitted twice.

Unless someone wants to claim protective on me then the game is solved

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Also, I formally submit my apologies to the wheming star

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Momrangal: townRB/ScumRB
OWER: town disloyal vig/scum tracker
Pooky: town 2/3/4 indecisive Vig/ scum 2/4/6 Janitor
Titus: town cop/ scum cop or scum godfather or scum one shot millerizer

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Pooky should shoot OWER tonight

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Also, I'm not just talking about VCA today, there wasn't even an attempt to talk about possibly VCA yesterday or who could be what based on what was happening and flips. Titus does talk about possible scum and town on the wagon on D1, not just D2 onward

And I'm not entirely sure I'm buying Pooky missing information given pokemon

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You don't come off as the type of person who glazes over stuff and misses things entirely.

Also like, I started the set up spec yesterday so I don't understand how titus comes to the conclusion that it couldn't be done at all yesterday

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Either way, OWER confuscum. There is no way OWER plays with the idea that I could be town and I don't buy that he thinks it would be ok to shoot N1 but not N2 as the results are literally the same. If he thinks I'm actually scum here, he would be making plans on shooting tonight like he did N1

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There is one JK who is attached to town JK and three other RB roles. One of them would result in OWER not being alive today so technically two and if it exists, scum would need to have seen OWER as a threat. He was non existent yesterday and focused on just me. Mafia have zero reason to think that he is a threat to them

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Aka

If OWER shot correctly, and there were two kills and today would have been ELO

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I didn't move last night

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There are no redirection roles of either alignment

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guys

I think I fucked up royally.

It's my fault dkoba is dead. I am sorry.

I am cool to be eliminated because I quite frankly, don't trust my judgement.

what do y'all want me to do

There isn't going to be an elimination out side of myself and OWER today and if it's me, my alignment will dictate tomorrows elimination. All OWER comes up with is WIFOM reasons for them being locktown here and the only explanation of him telling the truth is unlikely

But, an explanation on what you mean would be nice

Pedit: well, ok. Things go as planned then

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UNVOTE:

not letting anyone hammer until Mollie explains.

What is you're exact role, though Mollie? There are multiple submitted protectives in the thread

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No modifiers?

Momrangal: townRB/ScumRB
OWER: town disloyal vig/scum tracker
Pooky: town 2/3/4 indecisive Vig/ scum 2/4/6 Janitor
Titus: town cop/ scum cop or scum godfather or scum one shot millerizer
Mollie: town doc or scum weak compulsive doctor

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My solve is OWER/Titus atm

Hammer away, get the rest of the claims either way this game should he solved

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LOLOLOL

yeah, it's a great idea to shoot the cop clear over someone who clearly led a mis-lim

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That should have waited until tomorrow

OWER is still scum

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Thank god the day is over though

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I did not block anyone. I said it three times, I didn't take action

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It's far more likely that I prevent a protown action from occurring

Such as Whemes FN, or mollies doc, or Titus' supposed cop

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Though I now do wish I blocked OWER lolol, I might have stopped the kill

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I there is one one RB in the thread and town and scum both have that role. My alignment would still be up in the air

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Anyway, the last one has to be titus. Your interactions with OWER makes you very unlikely the partner

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Mollie or titus, and I don't think Mollie makes this play as scum

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I am a she

And I am still town.

Thought I was already hammered rofl

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Let's also keep in mind that OWER would be scum tracker and Titud would be scum cop here.

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This would be in regards to OWER telling pooky yo shoot. Probably a wifom move though

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WHAAATTTTTTT

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Pre-in to next superb!

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I missed mollie fr rl. I'm glad I got to play with her again, even if just for a little while

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Honestly speaking, if gamma played In a pro town manner I would have left him alone. He isn't a threat to our win con so I would prefer going after someone who was