Open 806: JK9++ (Game Over!)

[seCret hYdra]

Votecount 1.9

Something_Smart (6) - implosion, Datisi, Not_Mafia, Bridgeburners, Shirou, Petapan
Implosion (7) - PenguinPower, Infinity 324, seCret hYdra, Schiavetto, Isis, Aaronfrost, Something_Smart

This is what the final VC looks like in the most balanced scenario here

Bridge may vote Implosion though from the Skitter's head, therefore it's 8 vs 5 unless either Infinity or Sec-Hyd changes their mind.

Which also makes me think S_S is the superior wagon overall, to be fair.

i've been pushing the SS slot before you were even born, kid

get your facts straight

-seCret

[seCret hYdra]

sorry peta :/

VOTE: peta
i'm not sure this is gonna, like, get traction here but i think this is a better use of my vote than not-voting aff

~ skitteR

this pings me as bad in a number of ways…

-feels like detracting from the D1 major wagons
-puts town in a rough spot with votes divided over more wagons near EoD
-feels like you were kinda 'testing the waters' for a while as to make this vote or not

first post you made that actually pings me in the wrong way here

-seCret

[seCret hYdra]

sorry peta :/

VOTE: peta
i'm not sure this is gonna, like, get traction here but i think this is a better use of my vote than not-voting aff

~ skitteR

this pings me as bad in a number of ways…

-feels like detracting from the D1 major wagons
-puts town in a rough spot with votes divided over more wagons near EoD
-feels like you were kinda 'testing the waters' for a while as to make this vote or not
-apologizing for??? pushing your scumread????

first post you made that actually pings me in the wrong way here

-seCret

[seCret hYdra]

I just talked this through with my other head

we strongly prefer solving today in implo/SS, the only slight problem there is we both favor one of these

-seCret

[seCret hYdra]

yeah solving

implo/SS feel like the 2 major wagons of day1, and they were concurrent so it's a good thing to 'solve' in those

-they are both fine wagons with a ton of movement so lots of information
-not flipping in either one is gonna create a sort of repeat environment on Day 2 where we look at both of you again


-seCret

[seCret hYdra]

What information do you get if implosion flips town? If I do?

the usual for starters

wagonomics, vote movement, your allignment and thus the information your reads are truthfull or not

if you flip scum for instance, this game has a number of conftowns available to work with (me, datisi, shirou come to mind)
and we get to look at who was responsible for stalling your wagon out

if you flip town, we get to see the same thing only those things are more likely to have come from town then scum

i'm not sure why you wanna know this, it seems rather Obvious?

-seCret

[seCret hYdra]

Well, for one, I don't think it's true that town are more likely to be stalling out a wagon on town than scum are. Especially if implosion is also town, scum might be positioned to whiteknight me, or they might be unable to switch to push me, or they might just want to encourage apathy and slow the game down.

And aside from that, it seems like most of the information you get from flipping one of me/implosion comes if the person flipped is scum... which leads me back to my point, which is that you should be trying to hit scum, not trying to get information. I don't agree that me/implosion are necessarily going to be the foci of D2 if we don't die today; Aaron has a bigger wagon than either of us right now! And I've accumulated a couple of pretty vehement defenders (Isis, skitter) who will probably be trying to block a wagon on me tomorrow. (Plus I might have a result.)

So your post reads as an excuse to try to drag the focus back onto me/implosion more than anything. I could even say it looks like you're complaining that your mis-exes are slipping away, though that's quite a reach. But I don't like it.

oh don't get me wrong

i am ABSOLUTELY trying to get the focus back on you/implosion
i very much am aiming to hit scum, and i think that flipping in the 2 of you yields the highest % of achieving that today

'gaining information' is a sort of worst case 'what do we still get if this does hit town' kinda thing

and that shady ass remark about seeing 'misexes slip away' is bullshit and you know it

its only in a world of exactly scum!sechyd + scum!AFF that I would have to be worried about that -> yeet aaron today, get focus back onto my 'misexes' tomorrow

so yeah

-seCret

[seCret hYdra]

don't vote S_S he rolled town

ben rolled scum tho

-seCret

[seCret hYdra]

i am ABSOLUTELY trying to get the focus back on you/implosion

Oh I know. I'm not saying you're trying to be subtle or sneaky about it. I'm just saying your arguments for doing so are terrible and may not be your true reasons.

i've been pushing your slot for the majority of this day, my other head has been on Implo for a while and when we see attention go away from our desired pushes, we try to get back to that


yeah, absolutely terrible argumentation

imagine someone trying to push their scumreads right

-seCret

[seCret hYdra]

i very much am aiming to hit scum, and i think that flipping in the 2 of you yields the highest % of achieving that today

So you think that skitter and Isis... are my scumbuddies? Or that you know me better than they do? Or what?

i said no such thing

why are you trying to put words in my mouth?

-seCret

[seCret hYdra]

i said no such thing

why are you trying to put words in my mouth?

-seCret

I'm trying to ask you why you think I have a high chance of flipping scum when two separate slots are very confident that I'm town.

ooooh i missed that yeah

you being townread by 2 slots makes you conftown/unpusheable

gottit

-seCret

[seCret hYdra]

i am ABSOLUTELY trying to get the focus back on you/implosion
i very much am aiming to hit scum, and i think that flipping in the 2 of you yields the highest % of achieving that today

This feels very... equivocate-y. Your explanation in 1918 was all about getting information, not about us being the most likely scum. And like, 1918 is really terrible logic. But beyond that the relevant thing here is it feels like you're trying to paint this picture where both me and S_S eventually being flipped is inevitable because of the info we'd get and

Like. there was a huge isis wagon? and a big-ass aaron wagon right now? what happened to those???? why is the information from those on a different level from the information from mine and S_S's? Is it just some excuse to claim that the people your heads scumread are the people that should die anyway?

I can't tell if this is just some kind of sechyd thinking themselves into a hole or if it's scum manufacturing logic to sound like they have a coherent logic. Or if there's just some step to the logic I'm missing.

it's really not rocket science

2 major competing wagons nearing EoD
lots of shifting

there is only profit here

-seCret

[seCret hYdra]

Why not isis? She improved a lot over the day. It was a good early wagon.
Why not aaron? Everyone can push there if they like. I don't see it.

I prefer sticking to the slots my other head and I are *actually* scumreading

-seCret

[seCret hYdra]

the competing wagons near eod right now are me and aaron...

because attention suddenly completely shifted away from SS for ?? reasons

i don't like that

-seCret

[seCret hYdra]

you being townread by 2 slots makes you conftown/unpusheable

Let me rephrase the question more directly.

Assume I'm scum. Why are Isis and skitter so confidently wrong about me?

I don't know? Because they are just wrong in that case? Is that impossible/improbable?

-seCret

[seCret hYdra]

like, sure. but i could make an equally valid argument that if we go on aaron then we have not only the usefulness of looking at how his wagon sprang up out of nowhere, but also the early wagon on him and how it competed with the isis wagon, if he flips town.

It just feels fully arbitrary.

aaron wouldn't be a terrible flip, but I would prefer to stick to our scumreads

i really don't see what you are trying to push here

is it so scummy of me to advocate pushing our scumreads over what seems to be a consensus wagon?

-seCret

[seCret hYdra]

Why not isis? She improved a lot over the day. It was a good early wagon.
Why not aaron? Everyone can push there if they like. I don't see it.

I prefer sticking to the slots my other head and I are *actually* scumreading

-seCret

so the "information" thing is fully just a back-justification then?

in my opinion, either flip on you or SS (with a MAJOR preference for ss in my case) is objectively the best thing to do here

-seCret

[seCret hYdra]

the competing wagons near eod right now are me and aaron...

because attention suddenly completely shifted away from SS for ?? reasons

i don't like that

-seCret

have you heard of stalling

trust me, i'm still incredibly annoyed that ben repped out instead of stepping into the ring with me
my scumread on SS slot is still coming from ben, but I haven't seen SS improve it.

-seCret

[seCret hYdra]

I prefer sticking to the slots my other head and I are *actually* scumreading

Why do you scumread me and implosion?

i don't think we've been hiding our reasons for anything this game...

-seCret

[seCret hYdra]

in my opinion,

objectively the best thi

alright let's just, go back to my homework then

[seCret hYdra]

i'm just trying to dig into where this information argument is coming from because 1916/1918 to me implied that it was like, a first-class reason for you to vote for one of me/s_s. Like, the fact that we'd get a lot of information was part of what was motivating you to push one of us. And I'm trying to dig into that because your argument about why our wagons in particular would give a lot of information is completely arbitrary. You're now saying that the motivation is based on you pushing scumreads? is it a mix of both, or is your motivation just coming from you looking for reasons to push the people you already scumread?

i have been pushing ben slot for as long as i can remember this game
it's literally been my numero uno scumreads for ages, and should be clear if you iso read me

the information thing is whatever it is. True in my opinion, but yeah it might be arbitrary. That doesn't take away my scumread.

-seCret

[seCret hYdra]

here's a question for you

why would scum!me be unhappy with an aaron wagon at this point, enough so to justify taking so much heat just to get attention back onto you?
Taking out a scum!me +scum!aaron team, I can just see that wagon go EoD compromise and then get back to the 2 of you tomorrow for a cage deathmatch.

This is me genuinely scumreading SS slot, wanting a flip there with a compromise on implo because my other head is telling me so.

-seCret

[seCret hYdra]

i don't think we've been hiding our reasons for anything this game...

After digging through your ISO it looks like your ben scumread is based mostly on a specific post (671). Is that accurate?

absolutely

-seCret

[seCret hYdra]

I get that you might be salty for being in my wanna lim bracket right now, but don't try to frame it like it ain't genuine implo

-seCret

[seCret hYdra]

why would scum!me be unhappy with an aaron wagon at this point, enough so to justify taking so much heat just to get attention back onto you?

I don't feel like you would, though I have a pretty strong bias toward reading hard pushes as town, so the answer is presumably "because you thought you would do it as town."

Re: 671, is it entirely the section where he agrees with Scipio that your content was low? He didn't use it as a basis for a push on you, so why would he be more likely to make that mistake as scum than as town?

ben framed that sentence in a way as to enable scipio to push that thought. It was a shady way to do it. Where Scipio kinda felt genuine in their thoughts on us, Ben tried to 'nudge' scip into pushing us over it. Like pulling strings. It's still pinging me right now to the point i'd just vig your slot if i had a shot. All how I read it of course. I'm not saying this is actually what happened.

And then after I call ben out, he disappears. Comes back with a naked claim and reps out without anything. Yeah. Not seeing why I shouldn't keep pushing this.

-seCret

[seCret hYdra]

I don't feel like you would, though I have a pretty strong bias toward reading hard pushes as town, so the answer is presumably "because you thought you would do it as town."

yeah ok fair enough but that's an argument that goes for literally anything anyone would do ever

-seCret

[seCret hYdra]

Why is it that ben

wouldn't

act that way as town? Like, you're not tunneling peta, so clearly you accept that the "SH has been lurking" thought could have genuinely come from town. So why is it unlikely that ben just had that thought on his own and mentioned it when Scipio brought it up?

because he didn't act on it, and it truly reads like he was hoping to push Scip into action v us based on that. Enabling him.
If Scip v Ben righ there was a town v town interaction, i'm confident it would have gone something like 'oh yeah i feel the same way lets push that together?' or smt.

-seCret

[seCret hYdra]

Why is it that ben

wouldn't

act that way as town? Like, you're not tunneling peta, so clearly you accept that the "SH has been lurking" thought could have genuinely come from town. So why is it unlikely that ben just had that thought on his own and mentioned it when Scipio brought it up?

also, I have a townread on peta here. Unrelated to his predecessor slot. It's based entirely on peta's play.

-seCret

[seCret hYdra]

because he didn't act on it, and it truly reads like he was hoping to push Scip into action v us based on that. Enabling him.
If Scip v Ben righ there was a town v town interaction, i'm confident it would have gone something like 'oh yeah i feel the same way lets push that together?' or smt.

I don't really understand this. It wasn't a read; it was just an observation. There is nothing in there that indicates that he thinks you're scummy-- in fact, he even went out of his way to say "no offense". Even if it is a scumread, that doesn't mean it's his strongest one (clearly it wasn't) or one worth pushing.

...Also, I bet I could go through your ISO and find comments that you made and didn't act on. I could probably do that for most players in the game. It really seems like you are making a mountain out of a molehill here.

if there were other things that pinged me like that stuff did, i'd be all over it. Yet there isn't.
Is it a molehill? Maybe. I'm not suggesting this is a major read where i caught a scum redhanded and everyone should vote there now or they are idiot townies. Not at all. Am I blowing it out of proportion? Maybe.

You know what woulda helped. Ben talking to me over it. Yet he decided to afk after me calling him out, and then repping out before a single word was exchanged.

-seCret

[seCret hYdra]

which was just me proving that you didn't find ben's comment scummy because of the content of it (which you agreed with).

i'm not relenting on this

if you think i'm faking what i'm saying about ben i'm willing to self-vote and prove my point right here and now

it's 100% real

-seCret

[seCret hYdra]

you can call it silly, stupid, bad read, making a mountain from molehole or whatever you want

but if you are gonna try and sell this like it's a faked read on my part then we got ourselves a situation sir

-seCret

[seCret hYdra]

wait what are you not relenting on? you quoted a post that we agree on lol. It's not what ben said that you thought was scummy, it's the way he said it.

oh ok then i misunderstood

it's exactly the way he went about it rather then the actual words themselves yeah

-seCret

[seCret hYdra]

have helped. What could he have said that would have made it better

anyone who knows me will tell you that is exactly how i read people
i'm not gonna self-meta dive here but if you would do that, you would see that town!Ico (you know, the player i'm trying to emulate cough) gets into 1v1's (a lot of times over small things) and actually comes out with townreads on people afterwards

i'm not saying i *would* have come out with a townread, but there was a considerable chance for sure yeah

-Secret

[seCret hYdra]

i don't think S_S knows how to do any of this as scum

ehhhh not gonna lie, i'm actually kinda feeling like SS is trying to understand me here and it gives me townie vibes.

It also kinda proves my previous post lol

-seCret

[seCret hYdra]

another current mood is eh, sechyd is probably actually just scum.

nope sorry to dissapoint

why tho?

-seCret

[seCret hYdra]

another current mood is eh, sechyd is probably actually just scum.

is sechyd the gyp hydra?

i agree with that tbh

oh god it's getting so dark all of a sudden

whattup pooky?

-seCret

[seCret hYdra]

I've read 21 pages of the game so far,

implo - sechydra are the people I sus the most right now.

I don't have a fully formed read on skitter/mean - its mostly at town-lean

I TR penguin

I think implo red flip spews Isis/Shirou/Peta not-mafia

nice scumreads

lets get rid of pooky?

-seCret

[seCret hYdra]

why are we scummy scums pooky?

-seCret

[seCret hYdra]

what in those 20ish pages makes you scumread us exactly?

-seCret

[seCret hYdra]

that's what she said

kinda

-seCret

[seCret hYdra]

i was soft-defending your slot yesterday

any particular reason you feel i might have had to do that?

-seCret

[seCret hYdra]

ok

what made you scumread us in those 20 first pages?

-seCret

[seCret hYdra]

and?

-seCret

[seCret hYdra]

why are you making me drag this out of you?

-seCret

[seCret hYdra]

VOTE: pooky

beating around the bush, general tone, obvious agenda-based reads
and ur already assuming we are scum based on ?? squishiness?

-seCret

[seCret hYdra]

more shade plz

-seCret

[seCret hYdra]

yes sup other head dragged me here

Yes, cuz we are mute peoples who can only vote and bussing is a thing of the past, obviously

- hYdra

[seCret hYdra]

ok he's at 4 since infinity unvoted.
i'm gonna double check with mena in an attempt to Minimize Hydra Dissonance (tm) but will prob switch to pooky

pedit i literally have seen scum-pooky do exactly the sort of thing he's doing here, being hyper and aggresive out of the gate (tbf there i don't think he was actually the leading wagon but very easily could have been in that shitty gamestate). like he's doing the same thing again in exactly the same way.

pedit2 ok but here you're acting like you need to ram something through before town decides to do something silly like flip scum-pooky

~ skitteR

you known if pooky does that as town also or nah?

- hYdra

[seCret hYdra]

You do realize when I sr you and implo the implication is that you are bussing him right.?

that's assuming both your reads are right but absolutely yes

pedit : pooky is the new soul of AFFslot
- hYdra

[seCret hYdra]

how come you scumread us when you joined us on the implo wagon?

-seCret

[seCret hYdra]

people don't like my posts like all the time in about every single game

doesn't mean i'm scum

-seCret

[seCret hYdra]

also your continous vague remarks are really out of place and make me wanna yeet you

-seCret

[seCret hYdra]

yea im sure it makes lots of sense for Town!Pooky to replace into a game, see the deadline at 24 hours away, see himself as the leading wagon and then decide to

not be aggressive and just accept death

ah yes the only 2 ways one could possibly play mafia

- roll over and die

- make some empty pushes while throwing all the shade you can possibly throw

like lol man, at least try

- hYdra

[seCret hYdra]

people don't like my posts like all the time in about every single game

doesn't mean i'm scum

-seCret

you were voting implo and ok with AF getting eliminated instead of implo

when I replaced in and start hitting implo and there is actual risk, you move your vote from implo to me

that implies you/implo were distancing scum.

you might kill me today but you and implo will both not make endgame and I'm fine with that.

oh, ur gonna use misreps as well? I just spent a large amount of posts arguing about how much i wanted to yeet in SS / implo and how much i disliked the aaron wagon. Would I have been ok with an aaron yeet? Sure. Probably. But I spent considerable effort on getting attention back at ss/implo.

It wasn't until you started bullshitting from your opening and haven't stopped yet, that I think you are actually a scummy slot here. When you moved to implo it wasn't the risk of implo getting yeeted, but the shere dirtyness of your vote that made me move away.

-seCret

[seCret hYdra]

this is such a bad faith engagement on your end, pooky

-seCret

[seCret hYdra]

amazing

talk to me about pooky, implo?

-seCret

[seCret hYdra]

alternatively, why are you scumreading me/us?

-seCret

[seCret hYdra]

why aren't you trying to sort us, pooky?

-seCret

[seCret hYdra]

good shot (here's for hoping it's a vig tho, but my gut is saying no)

VOTE: peta

offhand i think the flip is somewhat +town for sechyd and i'll need to look at shirou to see if anything else jumps out. i think that peta actually had an icky interaction saying that sechyd's pushback on shirou when he first repped in was bad when i thought it was p good. (i'm like p sure it was peta who said that, at least)

~ skitteR

somewhat

+ town? My push on Shirou was so far out of my scumrange that i'm like 'yeah lol i'm conftown here gg'

-seCret

[seCret hYdra]

they attacked shirou early after his replace in although looking back it's not as strong as i thought and they reached a detente with him so it's kind of meh, but the 1140 i didn't like yesterday is the start of the argument with him and i think they look better in light of the flip? my inclination is to say he doesn't attack his teammate right away when no one else is.

the resolution might kind of meh, but if you think it wasn't 'as strong' me pushing shirou, then i will quote the entire back and forth for you to reread. I gave everything I had into pushing shirou there.

-seCret

[seCret hYdra]

SS and BB come out on the townie end of a Shirou ISO skim

implosion can be scum here, but i'd rather leave the scumcasing of implosion to my other head

-seCret

[seCret hYdra]

all I can really say that pinged me so far with Implo on this day is that it feels like he's scrambling his reads because he understands the implications a scum!shirou flip has on a good number of slots here. There's a lot of townreads just from interaction with shirou that can happen. His resilience to townreading us, a flip on PP townread. Feels like he needs to open up scumreads, but tbh I can also see that coming from town.

Sorry for the fency read on Implo, but it's all I have right now.

-seCret

[seCret hYdra]

give me a couple days to shake this off - irl shit rn

i'll be active later this week

don't know where my other head is at right now

-seCret

[seCret hYdra]

hi yes other head

didn't really find the time to play this game lately, but i should have it today

- hYdra

[seCret hYdra]

catching up

- hYdra

[seCret hYdra]

Actually, datisi, I need you to elaborate on your sechyd read. At the end of d1 you still seemed open to the possibility that they could be scum, and now you strongly believe that they're not even SK? And what about the gypyx head, which you had concerns about earlier?

where? the only thing even resembling a scumread of sechyd from me at eod1 that i remember/can find right now is that one line in 2204, and lemme tell you... that is not me "being open to the possibility they could be scum". like, literally in that same post, i say *twice* that i don't think they're scum/understand the scumreads on the slot.

yeah, i believe ico's play around shirou was both town!indicative and non-partner!indicative. i had one of those yesterday, i have both today. i don't think sk!ico plays that they way they did. and frankly, no offense to gypyx, but i don't actually care. unless gypyx starts utterly obvscumming (spoiler alert, he hasn't), i'm not gonna spend time reading that head when i could read a person i have a decent (and not sample-size-1) read record on.

ya no offense

you'll have to do with me for the moment though, other head got life issues

- hYdra

[seCret hYdra]

I guess I just read the lim and the NK back to back and perceived it as a red and green death for the night
Still isn't there like a 20% chance of no SK?

I don’t understand your point, Isis.

My point is the number of kills for the night is pretty much meaningless and the discourse reaching "no kill" from S_S is stupid!

The only number of kills that would have had any meaning is 3, as it would have told us we're in the SK-vig setup exactly. Anything else is an ambiguous mix of different setup rands and kill prevention (and almost certainly not "no killing" since the scum would realize "only number of kills that would have any meaning is 3"

thing is, we have confirmation that the mafia kill was stopped at least, which is some pretty good info

plus i doubt a vig makes that shot, so ya know...

maybe this is already debated actually

- hYdra

[seCret hYdra]

Spoiler:

implo's entry in 54-55 is BS-y but in a town way, i think

too many townreads from infinity in 57 is a little forced, 64 is okay though, scum maybe not going to call so many people townie early. nvm, tongue in cheek

datisi's early posting looks town, strong questioning

slight town on penguin's 103 reacting to implo calling him hardtown because he hadn't really said anything terribly town indicatve

aaronfrost non-serious vote on schiavetto in 77 is slightly scummy, ignores the momentum of the thread trending toward seriousness

scipio disagree with infinity but calling him town for it in 81 i don't like, feels manufactured

aaronfrost's 84 is scummy. don't like the question in 88, feels busywork. 100 is horribly scummy, generic fillery statement

datisi is just town

don't understand gypyx's reads in 98 at all

dislike the readlist from menalque in a few places. very strongly disagree with 140. dings infinity for too many TRs but not implosion

I like 142 from infinity, "i wanted to townread you for being funny but then i realized i was tring you for being funny" just feels townie

i vaguely townlean 149 from scipio even, though i shouldn't, just saying he can't understand bridge

maybe extreme jokiness from mena rather than immediately trying to look town is town-AI

ben's reads in 162 are all very vague

165 from af is ok in that i agree about infinity. don't like following the meme vote in in 167 while making an excuse about the slp

scipio reasoning in 169 on bridgeburners play is fine, "too bad to be scum" is over-assuming but i think he believes it

170-171 from implo is pretty decent, maybe pinged a little at how he dissected ben's posting

as widely noted isis's 175 is bad, the reasoning in it is just bizarre

on flipthrough of penguin's iso there's just not as much as i'd like to see from him

criticism of isis from skitter in 218 is valid, don't know about townread of ben, that post seems like nothing to me

220 from isis is vaguely town for reaction to being pushed by skitter

264 bit lost from notscience is an okay sentiment as not much in those pages stands out as AI

really hate 293 from aaronfrost, fencesits on isis

secret hydra spam starting from 318 is unimpressive

vaguely townlean ben's 358 as question about townreads on penguinis good and agreement with infinity is fine

strength of implo's townread on penguin in 369 makes no sense

scipio's 373 and 374 feels kind of artificial, but maybe a newer player would see everyone as townie

i really like datisi's 377

infinity's vote in 378 is almost townie for how he justifies it on wagon composition where i'd expect scum to be more cautious

scipio's 385 town for concern

really hate pp's ben vote in 393

end of 439 by notscience i don't like that much

like datisi's aaronfrost vote in 476 as i was feeling the same thing, reasoning in 483 i agree with

notty's vote on schiavetto in 489 is lazy, just seems to be on an inactive player

schiavetto's 495 is...okay

notsci questioning implo in 510 is okay

point on schiavetto's timing in 511 is fine but disagree with the view on datisi

still a little puzzled at strength of implo's read on penguin

ben doing newbie hydra tell in 519??

kind of don't like the "idk where to vote" from bridgeburners in 559

penguin exchange with isis from 620-625 looks towny

kinda of like isis on page 25

681 - datisi is extremely gettin nightkilled

don't really like inplo 737-738

762 from bridgeburners can be a townpost?

774 from implo says what i am thinking

814 from ico feels townie, the way he expresses diagreement with isis

don't try to tell me how i'm supposed to think

this post / posts around this one kinda feel like fake anger tbh

hmmmmm...

maybe it's my tired brain saying de shit

- hYdra

[seCret hYdra]

VOTE: bridgeburners

would love to try and get done with trying to see what's bridge tbh

and off to sleep, sorry y'all

- hYdra

[seCret hYdra]

how does that vote follow 2655

it doesn't

- hYdra

[seCret hYdra]

VOTE: bridgeburners

would love to try and get done with trying to see what's bridge tbh

and off to sleep, sorry y'all

- hYdra

Uh hi .....

Why are you voting me exactly?

sup'

numerous gutpings from both heads

and i'm not seeing towniness from you today, although no pingy stuff so far

- hYdra

[seCret hYdra]

I don't understand why I'm not getting ss3 vibes from skitt, but she might still be scum. Idk

Skitt I specifically asked people's opinion on the shirou stuff

why are u looking at ss3 specifically? like, it's not even a "real" scumgame imo

[seCret hYdra]

I'M NOW GUARANTEEING

AND I MEAN I

GUARANTEE

A SCUM FLIP ON S_S

NO ONE FORGETS HIS OWN ROLE_PM

IF HE WAS TOWN FAKECLAIMING I BET HE WOULD SIMPLY DISPROVE IT PUBLICLY

BUT RESIGNED SCUM!SS COULD FORGET OR TRY TO PRETEND HE FORGOT HIS ROLE/CLAIM EVEN THOUGH HE HAD UPON REPLACING-IN RECOGNIZED THAT HIS SLOT WAS A CLAIMED TRACKER

THE SLOT IS NOT TOWN I ASSURE YOU

I WANT TO SEE SS VOTES, AND VOTING IMPLOSION FROM NOW ON FOR ANYONE BUT ISIS IS A SCUM CLAIM FOR ME

i know i just said that shirou has good associatives but i think this whole thing is anti-partner-y for ss

~ skitter

well, i though 'bout that, and like, the read on s_s is *pretty* far fetched tbh, so like, it could totally be intended i think?

doesn't mean he's scum, but there's a world where he is, and it probably is similar to ours

- hYdra

[seCret hYdra]

I just look at Gypyx's posts on the last page and they're all just so lackluster and I really wish I could feel good about that slot being scum :\. I kind of hate specifically-SK hunting as a matter of principal just because I don't think my reads are on average sufficiently good enough for it to be worth it unless SK is the only scum alive and I just do not see the "I thought I would be considered confirmed town" comments + the interactions with Shirou coming from the slot as scum.

need to think about this post tbh, can't decide if it's LAMIST or good stuff

[seCret hYdra]

how does that vote follow 2655

it doesn't

- hYdra

dude what

wanted to vote brigeboi, but i saw what i pointed out too

it ain't impossible for you both to be scum ya know

[seCret hYdra]

If someone could engage me on something specific, that would be great. I need a way to get my head back into the game, and with all the fluff it's been hard.

this post is litterally me tbh

- hYdra

[seCret hYdra]

i swear to god you are singlehandedly undermining every bit of goodwill that shirou flip has bought you

well idk, i'm just posting what i'm thinking, take it or leave it

should prob peace out and come back with rational thougts

[seCret hYdra]

why are u looking at ss3 specifically? like, it's not even a "real" scumgame imo

I don't agree, she had to fake reads and stances in that game

It's my only game with scum!skitt

yeah but like, her play was directed by the cirumstances

fair point though

- hYdra

[seCret hYdra]

numerous gutpings from both heads

How exactly are both of our heads gutpinging you when I haven’t posted in 5 days?

-QB

cuz it dates back to day 1

- hYdra

[seCret hYdra]

rawr!

i have return, tho i still have a massive headache

this better be an easy catchup

-seCret

[seCret hYdra]

ctrl+f "shirou" in sechyd's iso and like... nah. ico doesn't attack partners like that, especially just as they rep in and with no daytalk.

i admit that my townread on ico *might* be wrong because possible/probable sk in game but crossing that bridge when we get there. he ain't mafia.

tl;dr on that BB vote?

this is acceptable

there's a 0% chance i'm scum with shirou here
i could understand SK paranoia (even tho I would still not draw that kind of massive attention to myself and let the pew pew do the talking for me)

-seCret

[seCret hYdra]

Sorry, I keep thinking about this

-establish you will basicly not be playing this game outside of a couple minutes every couple of days
-admit to be actively lurking this game, before you even caught up (why did you rep in then? is that even a question i'm allowed to ask?)

@ico impostor Why did you think these were scum-indicative things? At all?

The push also made me want to TR shirou, which could've been (part of) the intended effect

because they

*were*

scum indicative? And look, I was right.
This being done on purpose by me strictly to get Shirou townread is... interesting. I can see your pov, but why would I need to do that? They weren't in any kind of need to be urgently townread or anything. All I would do is draw attention to me and my buddy in that case.

-seCret

[seCret hYdra]

well, i absolutely saw an opportunity to attack you and went for it. Not because i'm scum, but because I think I saw scum post scummy scum posts You can call my arguments surface level, but you probably wont see anything deeper then that from me all game. Ever. In any game.

This is also a scummy scum post

Sechyd is probably SK, we don't have to pursue it today

So you basicly wanna discredit me, because i fought scum yesterday? Without proof of there being a SK? What was scummy about this post?

-seCret

[seCret hYdra]

VOTE: sechyd

Actually, no. We want to kill the SK today, it wants to scumside since town is winning. Even if sechyd isn't SK, they're >rand groupscum imo.

what

how

is that even a conclusion you can actually honestly make here
this is so far out of the left field i'm not even sure it's scummy?

also not caught up on vote counts or anything but i'd probably vote here right now

-seCret

[seCret hYdra]

Spoiler: these are the ickiest posts to me

AFF's 84 was good

notsci limiting his posting is prob town motivated

infinity is giving out too many TRs too easily and should be more paranoid. also is ignoring my slot which is ?

Hmm, did you actually roll scum this game isis?

Hmm, did you actually roll scum this game isis?

Ehh, maybe not, I’m guessing you probably (?) wouldn’t try to shade our slot over something as easily disprovable as “scum!skitt would be more likely to announce her VLA immediately”

I’ll see what she thinks tho

intro thought: if skitter and mena are scum they finally get to play scum together.

<3

~
assorted thoughts as i read through:

-> p1 dats, scipio, penguin is a bit townie
-> 57 i think is townie for infinity here
-> maybe also gypyx, amybe also aaron
-> i feel like i should have thoughts on implo's 105 and 109, but i do not
-> mena is hilarious
-> ben's 162 feels townie to me, and i just have good vibes all around on him

skitter didn't tell the mod right away about her V/LA in Mini 2113 as town, but did so in Newbie 1951 as scum and did so in Silent Star 3 as scum. I'm sure further citations will dilute this pattern but even with a weak pattern, it feels significant when this is a game where she's in a hydra and she knows it matters less. It's also somewhat less town-hydra-y to opt for shouting that out to the mod right away versus consulting with Menalque to ascertain how necessary it is or isn't, since as town it's a shared responsibility to solve the game and as scum the posting pattern is more of a visible lifestyle or that's a bad metaphor I was trying to think of a better one.

isis
this is not a good take

~

ok i'm caught up ama
i have many many many townreads

isis is my only scumread
idk where we're voting but

VOTE: isis

sigh
ok in an effort to make the thread less ego-centric i shall magnanimously move on but reserve the right to continue to sr isis

on an unrelated note: penguin i think you're town here!

~ skitter

@notsci:

so, uh, mena told me after he made that post that there wasn't, like, actually a lie read, he just said to see if anybody would react to it in an interesting way
(at this point i'm p sure everyone had the chance to see it and react (or not) so i don't think he'd mind me saying this)

~ skitter

dats i feel like i don't have such a good read on u and i kinda want to sort u

i agree with u that implo is being somewhat scummy. except i'm like historically dead-awful at reading him and i think he was scum in nearly every game i played with him and i always townread him so maybe thinking he's scummy means he's town? idk

~

isis i didn't realize you had such a ~thing~ against hydras and i'm going to endeavor to make a distinct effort to minimize the dissonance. wasn't trying to be annoying, and want to try to not be
<3

~ skitter

dats i feel like i don't have such a good read on u and i kinda want to sort u

ok
what is it that you want / need from me here
and also why do you think naked voting is like, gonna help you here

(i am also specifically still interested in mena's reasons for that vote)

i don't know!!!! i feel like having some sort of dialogue with you would help, and was kinda hoping that by voting you you'd go: 'omg skitter why are you voting me' and then we could have a nice convo about idk something that would give me more to sort you with than i currently have

i feel like a lot of what you're doing is just kinda NAI? Or at least i don't see the obvtowniness that everyone is citing and like i feel like a lot of what you're doing can be said/posted by scum-you?

do you think you ought to be townread here as much as you have been?

i'm also not really sure i follow your 'evil vibes from isis wagon' -> aaron vote -> isis vote

or why you were scumreading aaron in the first place

~ skitter

can you explain how/why these posts are icky?

ctrl+f "shirou" in sechyd's iso and like... nah. ico doesn't attack partners like that, especially just as they rep in and with no daytalk.

How much of this is meta? And if it's a decent portion of the read, why are you voting me? I've never played with ico before

a good portion but not all. my problem here is that you seem to have decided that you want to push ico today and are working backwards to justify your "read" on them. "but ico was the first to attack shirou", "scum can probably find good reasons to attack partners" like the problem here is (1) it still sounded so genuine and (2) it doesn't even try to explain WHY would ico have to do that? like neither of him nor shirou were being scumread, and doing random theatre like that that can easily end in one of them getting scumread is risky and unnecessary, *especially* if the scumteam cannot talk to each other and plan it

datisi sees it
he's still town
scumTisi doesn't really need to defend me here

-seCret

[seCret hYdra]

Datisi, do you know if your read on SH would preclude them being SK?

considering i don't usually play games with sk's and that i've never seen ico as sk, no. *however*, ico is aware how often his pushes get scumread. i think if ico were sk, you know the one role that has to survive until the end of the game to win, he wouldn't be going head first into pushes he's aware could easily end in disaster.

the *only* way i could see ico being sk here is if he's aware that the push he's about to make is gonna be transparently town *to me* and that i would defend him for it - i have history of successfully getting town!him out of shit he gets into. maybe i'm biased, but i think this is decently unlikely. last time i saw not-town!him, i very quickly got suspicious (and he had to kill me the next night), so that seems like a risky plan. granted, sk vs mafia read differently, but...

VOTE: sechyd

Actually, no. We want to kill the SK today, it wants to scumside since town is winning. Even if sechyd isn't SK, they're >rand groupscum imo.

this is disgusting

there is 0% chance ico is groupscum here and he's <<<rand sk for the reasons i outlined above

like how the fuck do you see the fight yesterday and go "lol ico >rand scum"???

besides, it isn't even confirmed we have an sk here

like what the fuck

these are mindmelts btw

-seCret

[seCret hYdra]

Actually, datisi, I need you to elaborate on your sechyd read. At the end of d1 you still seemed open to the possibility that they could be scum, and now you strongly believe that they're not even SK? And what about the gypyx head, which you had concerns about earlier?

where

the fuck

was datisi open to our slot being scum?

this is becoming such a blatant discrediting campaign i'm just preparing to come after you here after my catchup

-seCret

[seCret hYdra]

Stupidly I think 2441 is actually a decently good reason to townread sechyd on its own.

I don't agree with infinity that sechyd is likely scum at this point (I think they definitely could still be SK but I disagree that there's any reason to go out of our way to SK hunt today), I think that post Infinity linked looks... really quite town for ico. But I'm not sure what Infinity's scum-motivation for doing this push would be and why Datisi is snap voting him here? There's basically a chorus calling sechyd town and I'm not sure why scum-infinity would go against that or at least I'm not sure why Datisi immediately thinks it's worth a vote.

VOTE: Penguin

townie-ish post from implo
might be biased

-seCret

[seCret hYdra]

@datisi Ok, 2204 didn't feel quite as strong as "<<<<rand SK", but makes sense

What changed since this post:

room temperature take: ico going after shirou wasn't scummy and it's lowkey what i'd expect of him regardless of alignment

this is datisi being open to scum!sechyd??

howww

-seCret

[seCret hYdra]

@Implosion if you're town please consider that you likely have too many town reads and you need to cut that down by a good amount if possible/not against your personal philosophy.

Do people think this is +scum or +town for implo? It sorta feels like the type of interaction a strong scum player would have to seem anti-partnered but idk

actually before let me ask:

does anyone town read Bridges? If so why?

Scum reads on them?

It's the most neglected slot in the game probably, no one is talking much about it other than Isis that raised the case in the first pages.

This is anti-partnery

If I'm going too deep into a WIFOM hole someone tell me, I do think this is useful though

on top of that i completely disagree with pretty much every single one of your takes

i think it was + town for implo and +scum for bridge

-seCret

[seCret hYdra]

If you've not noticed yet I think infinity is more likely than not town and he seems under the illusion that my reads are >rand

I wish to keep him under that illusion

I can't let him notice I'm using random.org in my town games

p-edit: got it

I love how scum keep finding creative ways to pocket me

tho that shirou post was +town for infinity

-seCret

[seCret hYdra]

i mean i'm trying to end it, it's not going anywhere

i agree that he's being angry/emotional in a way that i wouldn't really associate with his towngame

~ skitter

i'd go on a limb here and say i wouldn't associate that kind of ate with his scumgame, as seen first hand
he was very composed and 'correct', as scum in the (1) game i played with him as his scumpartner

i don't strictly townread him here, either
someone help me get a better read on peta

-seCret

[seCret hYdra]

I don't think penguin is scum and I can't articulate why

maybe infinity actually just town here? this kind of posting just doesn't do anything for scum imo
i think it's a freely made post with a kind of fuck all, here's my thoughts on PP even tho i can't explain it

-seCret

[seCret hYdra]

i swear to god you are singlehandedly undermining every bit of goodwill that shirou flip has bought you

i swear to god i'm not seeing that

i'm reading hYdra posts and i'm seeing maybe some lackluster indeed... and how is that undermining anything? How are people coming to scum or even SK! conclusions based on that?

it makes no sense

also peta, your reluctance to really engage with me this game is starting to ping me. I'd think that town!you wants me to see as town here, given our prior relation.

-seCret

[seCret hYdra]

i swear to god you are singlehandedly undermining every bit of goodwill that shirou flip has bought you

I agree with this, literally everything gypyx has posted in the last 48 hours has been awful

Dats do u agree with this assessment y/n?

~ skit

awful = scummy? if so, what was awful and why?

-seCret

[seCret hYdra]

no she's right, everything he's saying is staggeringly bad. if it was one weird take, i'd brush it off but the sum total of it is not thinking i believe comes from a town mindset

peta's becoming increasingly scummy to me

bad takes = scum? Peta is a LOT better then this and it feels incredibly opportunistic of him

-seCret

[seCret hYdra]

like, I agree that hYdra's takes have been Not Good on this page. There is some dissonance here but only because I was afk dying in my bed and not able to discuss.

I think SS is near locktown (or not groupscum) because of shirou interaction. I think I had a townie read on BB day 1 and even had to call back my other head back then. There was *some* pings on BB i had but they were minor. I'd have pushed it if I deemed it seriously.

I repeat, how are bad takes scum!indicative however? If bad takes are scum, then infinity is lockscum here. (not my actual thoughts on that slot)

-seCret

[seCret hYdra]

Because your SRs (peta and now sechyd) are on slots that I think would seem pushable to scum but aren't being scumread by other people

I think that's at least at little +scum

i mean ... don't you think i would push people who would, like, have a chance of getting flipped? what's the point of pushing the slot that literally everyone says isn't partnered with the flipped scum

and, like, do you think his posting this evening was good?

i'm actually gonna vote him, it's literally that bad VOTE: sechyd

BB just scum then? They are both more then capable players who, as town, always see that we aren't scum here.

Peta + BB? Sure.

-seCret

[seCret hYdra]

- uh his vote on us is literally the prototypical scum vibe of: oh a nice wagon is formingi think i can slip on with no prior reasoning!!1!

- he's trying to degrade/undermine the reasoning you're giving for *not* joining my wagon when he doesn't really have a reason to be voting me other than the newfound 'gutpings'

- trying to undermine me noting that ss/shirou are probably not aligned (but isn't complaining when similar reasoning is being used to 'clear' his slot via anti-associatives)

- fence-sitting on implo

- posits that me and peta could be scum together

- tone is icky

like literally every post he made on the prior page is bad ^

~ skitter

mena also doesn't like his scumread of his half of the hydra

maybe 1 or 2 of these items hold up a little… if you actively disregard any and all reasons why we are town here. Which to me looks like you are doing. Actively dismissing the good stuff about us.

You can dig up dirt and bad posts/takes on just about any slot if you want. This kind of read is exactly that.

My read of BB has dropped significantly, partly OMGUS partly above.

-seCret

[seCret hYdra]

ok fair enuf

either way i think the vote is bad, unjustified, and bandwagon-y

~ skitter

bad vote? Not scum!indicative
unjustified? Not scum!indicative
bandwagon-y? Have you played this game before? Not scum!indicative

not seeing it fam
also, i'd love to see you explain our relation to partner!shirou in your world.
Thanks

-seCret

[seCret hYdra]

bc last time i said "hey isis can you read dragon for me" you dayvigged town!ico within like one hour or something and i reckon you'd let me be in charge of that this time around, esp since i'm feeling p confident after 2180

-seCret

[seCret hYdra]

{Best Bird}

{Not_Mafia, Schiavetto}

{Bridgeburners, Datisi}

{Something_Smart}

{Petapan, Infinity 324}

{Isis, seCret hYdra}

{Implosion}

{}

Why is no one in your bottom bracket?

I tried not being so cluttered with all my tiers (also found my old format in my google drive) but

sigh

sure:

{Best Bird}

<-----This is high confidence town

{Not_Mafia, Schiavetto}

<-----This is middle confidence town

{Bridgeburners}

<-----This is low confidence town

{Datisi}

<-----This is nulltown

{Something_Smart}

<-----This is truenull

{Petapan, Infinity 324}

<-----This is nullscum

{Isis, seCret hYdra}

<-----This is low confidence scum

{Implosion}

<-----This is middle confidence scum

{}

<-----This is high confidence scum

The implication being that I don't have a high confidence scum read on anyone atm.

why are we lowconf scum to you, PP?

-seCret

[seCret hYdra]

How am I truenull as a PR claim

'cuz i don't know if it's true or not.

this is awkward

PP dropping on my townlist

-seCret

[seCret hYdra]

I mean - I don't have any evidence to support the claim either way, but sure, go ahead and tell me more about how I should view your slot.

SS has a claim, a couple of huge interactions (with me as well, who you are also scumreading apparently), and the shirou relation

True null? Hard to get around

-seCret

[seCret hYdra]

I agree gypyx's posting is pretty bad but I don't feel like it's enough to outweigh the associative. I don't see it as as bad as skitter and peta both describe it. Though I think it is nice that he's managed to bring the two of them together purely aesthetically. That said, I honestly find it difficult to imagine a scumtell that I would consider to outweigh that associative on balance. I wouldn't shed a tear if sechyd died today but I'm fairly sure better flips exist, even if I still don't know who they are that I can actually accrue votes on.

town!post from implo

as scum!implo has literally zero reason to defend us

-seCret

[seCret hYdra]

that will be all from me for now, will be around a while to have chatty chats if anyone wants to

-seCret

[seCret hYdra]

SS/infinity/schiavetto/datisi/isis

*my personal* townreads, PP dropped out and i'm really thinking hard if datisi belongs that high. I've not seen him do *much* yet, but he's sticking up for me and that is enough for me for now

-seCret

[seCret hYdra]

also they aren't in any particular order or anything

[seCret hYdra]

i'm agreeing that 1 or 2 points *can* be read as scummy in isolation

particularly the fencesit on SS isn't great to say the least - luckily i'm in a unique position to know that actually came from town lol

but it's such a narrow trajectory you have to follow to come to a scum!hYdra conclusion that it's hard for me to believe it's coming from a town perspective
it literally takes away any and all of the points that (should) give you a town!hYdra conclusion

if you think something is scummy, i'd absolutely expect you to pressure it but you can't just cherry pick us here - i won't allow that

-seCret

sue me

-seCret

[seCret hYdra]

Daaaaaaaaaats i need help with ico

do you really?

-seCret

[seCret hYdra]

this is mena i'm talking to, right?

you know how agressive i can be and usually am in my pushing and scumreads
you've experienced it first hand on several occasions

can you honestly say if you read me v shirou back that you think that is coming from scum!me? In those conditions?

-seCret

[seCret hYdra]

if you are all truly scumreading us despite my words here

go right ahead and flip us

i do not currently have the strength to combat multiple of you

i've said what i wanted to say in my (our) defense, i strongly believe it should be rather easy to come to a town!read on us *despite* what you call scummy posting

at least i'll be able to smack pooky in the dead thread

-seCret

[seCret hYdra]

gut is telling me that BB slot is actively looking for justification in their push on me

i'm not quite sure about peta - I wanna hang on to my earlier townread of him which is still based on meta experience with scum!him and this just doesn't sound like scum!him

-seCret

[seCret hYdra]

so peta and BB having been at each others throats = not partnered?

but shirou and my slot, who were at each others throats = sure why not?

i don't get this read

-seCret

[seCret hYdra]

person pretending to be iconeum if i am wrong on you tell me where i am going wrong

i still don't even see where the scumread is coming from honestly

like, in my head, i came into this day with absolute 100% confidence we will be just harcore townread so i'm actually really confused by the current gamestate

-seCret

[seCret hYdra]

Daaaaaaaaaats i need help with ico

this just keeps screaming at me and I don't get it

what were you actually trying to achieve with this?

Datisi is either going to continue his townread of us, which you will then probably keep ignoring as you scumread us despite datisi's townread

or he is going to scumread us, and then you are going to… keep scumreading us?

-seCret

[seCret hYdra]

Spoiler:

VOTE: bridgeburners

would love to try and get done with trying to see what's bridge tbh

and off to sleep, sorry y'all

- hYdra

Uh hi .....

Why are you voting me exactly?

sup'

numerous gutpings from both heads

and i'm not seeing towniness from you today, although no pingy stuff so far

- hYdra

to start, this isn't totally inconsistent, iconeum expressed suspicion on bridgeburners day 1 at least a couple times, so it's not a bad progression, but "numerous gutpings" is a pretty weak reason to be voting someone day 2, there's no elaboration on what these are exactly, there's no responding at all to anything skitter has posted today, and there is a lot of content, "no pingy stuff so far" just feels like an excuse to not actually try to say anything is scummy. i would expect someone scumreading bridgeburners to have

something

to say about their argument with me, but, nada. like, does he even care about what they're saying?

I don't understand why I'm not getting ss3 vibes from skitt, but she might still be scum. Idk

Skitt I specifically asked people's opinion on the shirou stuff

why are u looking at ss3 specifically? like, it's not even a "real" scumgame imo

this is attempting to discredit infinity's metaread, i think th reasoning is tenuous, even if scum had to play to a very particular win condition so that their strategy wouldn't necessarily be the same as a normal game, it's still informed vs uninformed, it's not a good reason to write off his read and the attempted dismissal here is too blithe

[snip]

i know i just said that shirou has good associatives but i think this whole thing is anti-partner-y for ss

~ skitter

well, i though 'bout that, and like, the read on s_s is *pretty* far fetched tbh, so like, it could totally be intended i think?

doesn't mean he's scum, but there's a world where he is, and it probably is similar to ours

- hYdra

speaking of trying to expand the poe, this is an example of that: trying to undermine the townreads on s_s off shirou's push of him.

now, the thing is: i considered the possibility that was a bus, it's not too far out there, a teammate makes a fakeclaim that you know will out them eventually, , in most cases you want to make yourself look good after they flip, not too crazy to attack them there. but i think the simpler explanation that shirou wanted to go for the big balls play and get a town tracker yeeted day 1 is more likely, and i think on his own merits s_s has been towny. it's also not worth worrying about because with 1 scum dead, a fakeclaim is likely to run out of room to manuever, and a town tracker probably just gets nk'ed at some point. but the way he expresses this sketchy, like, he wants to plant the possibility there

I just look at Gypyx's posts on the last page and they're all just so lackluster and I really wish I could feel good about that slot being scum :\. I kind of hate specifically-SK hunting as a matter of principal just because I don't think my reads are on average sufficiently good enough for it to be worth it unless SK is the only scum alive and I just do not see the "I thought I would be considered confirmed town" comments + the interactions with Shirou coming from the slot as scum.

need to think about this post tbh, can't decide if it's LAMIST or good stuff

nothing implosion said could be construed as LAMIST, and also it says literally nothing, doesn't really respond to implosion calling his posts lackluster, really just fencesits

how does that vote follow 2655

it doesn't

- hYdra

dude what

wanted to vote brigeboi, but i saw what i pointed out too

it ain't impossible for you both to be scum ya know

i mean this is just absurd to even suggest (unless you want to claim groupscum vs sk, but also: hahahahaha no), but the way he does it is lazy, and like what i was mentioning earlier, he somehow calls off our argument calling me overly emotional (not an unfair assessment tbh), but then somehow votes bridgeburners without mentioning anthing they've said. like, if someone sees their scumread arguing with someone, is this how they respond to it?

If someone could engage me on something specific, that would be great. I need a way to get my head back into the game, and with all the fluff it's been hard.

this post is litterally me tbh

- hYdra

and this is just bad filler

if this is the peta case i'm not answering then maybe that is because

literally every single point in there is about hYdra, and not about seCret

i'll give you wha

[seCret hYdra]

crap

ok so

i'll give you what i can from my perspective

we were discussing the BB slot in hydra pt during day 1
hYdra had scumpings on them, I not so much and I definitely didn't wanna push them at that time.

the way hYdra words it is extremely fence-sitty, and I get that that pings you

next, i really can't comment on meta between other players that i have nothing to do with, about a game that i know nothing about, and it's SS3 which is a meme setup anyway.

I strongly disagree with hYdra's SS read. I said this before, SS is near locktown or better put near not-groupscum

fencesit read on implosion, sure. All of these posts from hYdra aren't great, but I also don't think they are terrible. They are coming from a lost/currently occupied hYdra who tried to post during my absence. That is just the truth.

In my head, wheighed with D1 events and flips, we should still be BY FAR townie enough to not be stacked right now.

i'll reply to direct questions about this, but contentual questions about peta's case are probably better answered by hYdra

-seCret

[seCret hYdra]

gut is telling me that BB slot is actively looking for justification in their push on me

i'm not quite sure about peta - I wanna hang on to my earlier townread of him which is still based on meta experience with scum!him and this just doesn't sound like scum!him

-seCret

can you elaborate on this? i felt like 1 game shouldn't give you that confidence but i wanted someone else to ask about it because i felt asking about it woud be too ego-driven, and i've screwed up before thinking people shouldn't be townreading me when they did. however, since no one has asked i will do it: what led you to that conclusion, because that's a strong read to have off of a single game worth of experience

i'd prefer having *more* then 1 game, but I don't. All i have with you is that 1 game. I'm a very gut/feelings kind of player, and I just don't see the scum!you in this game. Your push on us feels off, but i've properly read your case on hYdra now and I can see where you coming from even if it's mistaken.

-seCret

[seCret hYdra]

if this is the peta case i'm not answering then maybe that is because literally every single point in there is about hYdra, and not about seCret

i'll give you wha

okay but like

what were the "numerous gutpings" you apparently had against bridgeburners, that you have apparently discussed together

'numerous gutpings' is a dramatic overstatement

hYdra had those yeah, ask him about his gutpings
i had a small thingy, but i actively went against my other head in the pt and stopped him from pushing BB on day 1

-seCret

[seCret hYdra]

@peta

another argument (use it as u will)

you have seen how i treat scumpartners first hand
you have seen how i am someone who, as scum, will try to divert attention away from scumpartners

you can't honestly believe i was pulling that shit with shirou as s/s
which means you can only conclude we are the SK
without actual proof of there being a SK

datisi already properly explained why it's also highly unlikely we are a SK

which is why I thought your conclusion was lackluster and off

i get you being pinged by gypyx posting, but take it into the full picture and I think you'll come to the right conclusion here

-seCret

[seCret hYdra]

Datisi
Bridgeburners (skitter30 and Menalque)
PenguinPower*
Petapan Scipio1
Schiavetto**
Something_Smart ben dover123
implosion
Isis
seCret hYdra* (anonymous hydra)
Not_Mafia***
Infinity 324

this is a rough PoE
not yeeting today: datisi/PP/Peta/Schiavetto/SS/Isis/infinity

that only leaves NM/BB/implo and i'm even very very very tempted to just take implo out of this as well because I like his latest posting

my not yeeting pool is too large

-seCret

[seCret hYdra]

Oh cool, you’re here

I haven’t read ico since yesterday but gypyx’s posting was god awful enough that I think the slot could be scum

-QB

cherry picking again

schiavetti vote be terrible mkay

-seCret

[seCret hYdra]

actually i don't care enough about this game even for that

VOTE: schiavetto

datisi no

please

i thought you were town

y u do dis

-seCret

[seCret hYdra]

We're not doing Schiavetto, pick literally anything else. All three of you realized you are viable probably maybe and the scum of the three of you are extra skewed about that and the town of the three of you please stop.

Schi's d1 was too good.

And it's dorky but she's getting disinterested and triggering her prods with the timing that syncs for town disengagement. Like when shit could get pushed through if she gimli'd her axe onto it but the arguments did not actually appeal to her enough for her to post.

You're all naked voting it's disgusting

i'm so glad someone is being the voice of reason here

-seCret

[seCret hYdra]

ok but like i'm talking about ico's posting, not shirou's

like even if you assume daytalk and assume shirou literally told ico to attack him there, i still don't think the posts would've looked organic/townie as they did

unless shirou was feeding him line for line but i don't think he has that kinda skill wrt ico, y'know,,,

Basically— maybe? I would, i think, have reread by that point

But like the dragon has a decent scumrange, no? Do you not think if they were discussing it he could have faked it? What was it that seemed unfakeable about it? (If you already explained then just tell me to stop being lazy and to look in ur iso)

-QB

i challenge you to go find out just how that play with me v shirou fits my scumrange *ever*

not saying it's impossible, but it's such a huge stretch...

-seCret

[seCret hYdra]

Lim in my poe with me

No

I have no interest in working with you this game as a result of your own actions and behaviour

*shrug*

-QB

that's fine, i actually understand this i think

Isis has you locked and pinned down, ofcourse you don't wanna work with her

-seCret

[seCret hYdra]

i think so

it's happening OH GOD IT'S HAPPENING

I'M STARTING TO GET SCUMMYTISI VIBES SEND HELP

-seCret

[seCret hYdra]

Why is Schiavetto scum? Are you just running a brutish omgus algorithm all day?
I don't think schi's reasons to sus BB are particularly good but it's very believable he believes them

No, it’s because schiavetto has been a non-slot lurker since middle of D1, has done nothing, taken no stances, has had no interest in solving the game, avoided and produced for most of D2, and upon finally turning up has a convenient pile of words on why the top wagon is scum but FOR SOME REASON decides to keep voting the other top wagon in spite of that

it is a trajectory that screams scum, and a pattern of behaviour that does the same

-QB

i think schiavetti actually obvtowned a bit this game, but i'd have to relook where exactly

-seCret

[seCret hYdra]

how is "mena told me to" not a real reason

like idk i don't care about this game and i'm willing to help out someone i think is town as opposed to not doing anything

what do you want from me

schia is probably town tho

ur vote is bad

your townread on mena is also bad i think

-seCret

[seCret hYdra]

(5) skitter is literally one of the best scum players on site, I'm not terrible, and shirou is too. are you seriously suggesting that we go, collectively, with a fencesitty read on our partner? why would we do that KNOWING it looks bad, and when shirou is strong enough as scum that it would make much more sense to just TR him and trust him to avoid being at risk of elim. if you think we knowingly decided to fencesit on our partner, come up with a plausible sounding explanation for why we would do that. how does that benefit our wincon in any way?

none of this mattered because you were probably all working from the assumption shirou wasn't flipping anyway - so it didn't matter

-seCret

[seCret hYdra]

Yesterday was long.

I don't especially feel compelled to jump off from the claim. If there's some other good wagon then it'd be fine to but the claim isn't convincing.

I'd like Hydra to explain why

exactly

he says it'd be "easily disproven if fake". That post feels like scum hastily trying to be one of the first people to give judgment on a claim and get credit for that but not actually thinking about what they're saying because I don't think that's how tracker claims play out in practice.

Implo objectively posting good things again

I need to look at the setup, I don't know how this looks, but even if the hydra is right, from Implo PoV here, which I assume he wouldn't have looked too much in the setup, this feels like an fairly original take in the current climate of the game.

It's not really original because although less popular, the Hydra does have some suspicious on them by the consensus, but the way Implo approachs this makes me nod again.

Unhappily the amount of town points I can give for something which is objectively/logical good is limited though²

However, still a good post to mull over I suppose.

implo is/was in my limpool for today, but rereading shirou and posts like these just don't seem partnery to me.

shirou goes out of their way to keep calling implo posts as 'good' and 'makes me nod', setting up a townread which I could understand. But to then fencesit the read and say 'i can only give limited townpoints for these posts' don't feel right for buddies.

it's counterproductive, it's fencesitting, it's keeping options open

i don't think implo is scum with shirou here

-seCret

[seCret hYdra]

Spoiler:

hi shirou!!

hello datisi, sorry I forgot to say we also had some experience

@shirou, i know you're not a fan of putting slots in a list, but i still gotta ask, why am i so low? like the only thing you said about me so far is that i'm in the "too many townreads", which... eeeh.

This is precisely why I don't like doing read lists, again, although I guess I'm repeating myself.

The illusion that you're "so low" is merely because of how in a read list you need to have top/bottom tiers that are essentially artificial confidence and don't speak much about how you actually feel towards these slots.

You're a more "intelectual" read rather than say, a gut suspicious I've about Ben/Scipio/Hydra. I feel your posts are "better" than them, but my vision on the gamestate at the moment thinks it makes sense to put you under "may have scum slots", even if I think your actual posts are mostly(?) fine.

It's a similar enough case to implosion, I do like some of implosion posts, but I also think it would make sense for him to be scum at the moment.

I don't think it would be unrealistic if in that read list I did put you above null and below implosion, but in that universe I would only have Aaron in the bottom (which I genuinely dislike their posting and can talk about later), even when I initially said there was a reasonable chance of scum in Aaron/Implosion/Datisi.

Those placements are completely imaginary and give the wrong impression of what my reads actually are which is why I prefer the long-winded method of talking about my reads when specifically asked and doing brackets.

If I had to point something to you ISO that did make me raise the eyebrow, it would be your town read on Hydra/Ico.

I know you/mena/ico seems to have history together but I couldn't understand why you had him as that town back then, neither I do understand why implo did town read some people too early.

For what it's worth, Isis had raised those posts and I feel comfortable with Isis slot in a sense, but for example her case on skitter V/LA thingy still makes me "???" because regardless of skitter actual alignment here I don't think it's relevant (most likely? I don't know, maybe Isis could be on something and only in post-game we'll discover).

I've seen Skitter do the V/LA thing as town more than once, even if Isis didn't know that, I don't know how natural it's to me for you to latch on that sort of thing as a genuine reason to scum read what I think Isis perceives as a good scum player, because I think scum!skitter reputation is known around the entire site although I didn't ask Isis yet what she especifically thinks of skitter scum game.

I also feel that you/ico are asking lots of questions but there's not a lot of, I don't know, substance to those questions?

I just showed why Ico's #809 is a fluff question when it's already in Ben's ISO. I think your questions are better than Ico's for what it's worth, but I guess I would be more surprised on Aaron/You/Implosion being all town rather than Ico flipping town?

Does that make sense to you?

If I had to vote someone right now it would probably be Aaron rather than you or Implo, maybe even Ben or Hydra actually, but yeah.

I'll talk about Aaron later.

this doesn't exactly feel like scum partners talking to each other either

and i'll sleep a lot better thinking dats is just town here anyway

-seCret

[seCret hYdra]

by revealed roles and s_s's claim of being blocked we know either there's 3 or 5 PRs left (prob 3) or s_s is lying scum who can't win

i think he should out his report then people should claim?

Shirou v SS on day 1 wasn't partnery *at all*

-seCret

[seCret hYdra]

something_smart - very likely town both by mechanics and play, has actual reads, isn't playing like a dead man walking because of his claim
penguinpower - feels real, can't point to a particular moment but when he makes content posts it looks serious and scumhunt-y
bridgeburners - honestly, at this point, no one seems that likely to be partnered with them. just doesn't seem that likely to be a hit imo
schiavetto - has faded but was all right early, still reasonably not partnered with notscience. starting to angle toawrd bridgeburners yesterday wasnt great though
not_mafia - showing flashes of actually giving a shit which is town for him
datisi - idk, still not feeling his withdrawal from the game, but reaction to me yesterday was okay, no obvious opportunism. might have been saved by infinity but maybe not if there's a jk
isis - down here mainly because i don't have a strong reason to townread her
secret hydra - don't think the shirou interactions are clearing and both heads are kind of playing like i'd expect from them as scum, has a feeling of inauthenticness to some of their posts

i honestly don't know how you can say that the shirou interaction isn't clearing AND that this is my scum meta. You know my scum meta. This is MILES from that game even if i say so myself.

-seCret

[seCret hYdra]

pfff that peta post bothers me so much

he literally KNOWS i play protect the buddy as scum

i went hard against the 'buddy' this game if i'm scum

says that this is what he expects from me as scum????

no comprende

-seCret

[seCret hYdra]

I think it’s not unlikely that it’s just N_M and sechyd

-QB

well ofcourse you'd think that

going after both slots that want you dead lol



-seCret

[seCret hYdra]

@mena, i assume you haven't yet (re)read ico d1 interactions w shirou?

-QB

what

ur kidding right

-seCret

[seCret hYdra]

Eh maybe

But first we can lim N_M anyway and go from there

This is like the perfect time to policy lim NM, and the most useful time to do so

-QB

this is such an agenda-based lynchpool it's amazing

you literally wanna yeet both slots that are thinking you are scum here
why is NM scum?
why is my slot scum?

-seCret

[seCret hYdra]

Fwiw i still dont think that shirou's interactions with sechyd should expnorate the slot - kinda need to sync with mena here

why not


-seCret

[seCret hYdra]

even if you take out the shirou interaction, i still think i didn't play *that* scummily here

you accused me of not scumhunting, i think i could make a perfect self-defense case on that as well

-seCret

[seCret hYdra]

VOTE: BB

peta is probably town, despite me wanting to scumread them REALLLLYYYYY BADDLLLYYYY
i liked the slot he repped into, and I do agree with quite a few of his other reads

gonna put this as wrongfully reading me as town


-seCret

[seCret hYdra]

hi ico's impostor
do we have anything to talk about from yesterday?

hello

you tell me? you were (are) the one who was disliking our posting so shoot

-seCret

[seCret hYdra]

i think BB is scum and is playing towards an agenda while attempting to discredit us while also not really making a case that goes beyond

-shirou interaction means nothing
-not solving

-seCret

[seCret hYdra]

schiavetto is fairly obvtown (in case what wasn't obvious), 1085 is what's prompting this thought

i wanna say i lightly townread shirou's opening but like it's nearly entirely gut and it's not strong at all

i'm still reading but i wanna ask: is it known if this game has daytalk? i think my willingness to flip ben's slot (ss?) is dependant on that

~ skitter

@skitt, implo: is there anything you actually actively scumread about sechyd?

not really, no, it was more of a: don't townread them yet vibe

and i'm actually really liking ico's back and forth with shirou here, so i maybe want to retract the above

~ skitter

i actually maybe don't tr shirou

between shirou and sec-hyd i think sec-hyd is always townier

~ skitteR

so

how did you go exactly from liking me v shirou, to then seeing a shirou scumflip, to THEN thinking it's *not clearing*?

-seCret

[seCret hYdra]

you tell me? you were (are) the one who was disliking our posting so shoot

no, i think that was you first? i left you some inquiries shortly before eod2

i posted 1 (one) mild remark about some paranoia, which i retracted within like 3 or something posts?

have no recollection of outstanding questions

-seCret

[seCret hYdra]

just did a quick reread, i don't see outstanding questions, datisi?

lots of talk about how we are never partner with shirou, but mostly paranoia about us potentially being the SK

now that's off the table, i don't think you scumread us

wanna talk about BB slot?

-seCret

[seCret hYdra]

bad as in wrong

-seCret

[seCret hYdra]

ok let's assume ur town

why are you scumreading me?

-seCret

[seCret hYdra]

why do you townread peta exactly?

i've got my reasons, but what are yours? Last I remember you guys thought that peta read kinda partnery with shirou. What changed there?

-seCret

[seCret hYdra]

and if you could also reply to that progression in your slot that i posted earlier, thanks

-seCret

[seCret hYdra]

Gypyx’s posting yesterday combined with him basically just nope-img out of the game

how is my other head that is impersonating gypyx scum, while it's clearly a person who's posting for the sake of it and is just not into this game? since when is that scum!indicative?

not gonna lie, the posts weren't pretty

but if you think you are gonna downplay me here to a 'ur doing nothing except just enough so ur not lurking' i'm gonna fight tooth and nail

-shirou v me is NEVER partnery. Declaring otherwise is neglect/gamethrowing as town/scum. Take your pick
-i've been PoE'ing in this game, i have townreads, i have scumreads, i've pushed FLIPPED scum around

literally all you have here is 'yeah but gypyx head made a couple of really bad posts, lemme just ignore all the other stuff and push this'

nope

-seCret

*pedit LEMME POST THIS OKAY

[seCret hYdra]

Your behaviour pattern here strongly reminds me of Autumn (your TR on me being conditional on my TRing you and you attempting to aggressively pursue me when it’s not there)

and my behaviour here is also the complete opposite of the last scumgame i played

so at the very best your meta read is NAI

-seCret

[seCret hYdra]

I think shirou interactions are v probably not clearing

did you read them :3

No but i don’t need to to say “they’re probably not clearing” I just need to know what I do about shirou

-QB

YOU DIDN'T EVEN READ IT AND YOU ARE USING IT AS A POINT AGAINST ME?

YEEEEET THIS NOWWWWWW

-seCret

[seCret hYdra]

while it's clearly a person who's posting for the sake of it and is just not into this game?

Hm, what might be causing that I wonder?

-QB

irl stuff

-seCret

[seCret hYdra]

why aren't you going back and read shirou v me?

it's clearly it's a MAJOR item in sorting me, and even datisi wants you to read it

it's not a lot of work

the only reason i can imagine is that you can't outright admit to reading it and STILL holding on to 'it's not clearing'

also i want an explanation how your slot went from townreading my interactions with shirou to now being 'not clearing'


-seCret

[seCret hYdra]

Stop misreppin, my point is that shirou is exceptionally competent at theatre and one reason why we won (shirou and I) C9++ way back was because we had theatre that people thought was outside my range

i am exceptionally INcompetent at theatre and you know this

-seCret

[seCret hYdra]

irl stuff

Funnily enough my irl also seems to take up more time when I’m scum in a game as well!


-QB

i've had plenty of examples where i'm just not into the game, mostly as town
but sure, keep hammering on those few bad posts from gypyx and ignore everything else and make shady ass posts like this one

if ur town here, you are doing a very poor job of trying to convince me otherwise

-seCret

[seCret hYdra]

ur acting in bad faith here, QB

how are you not intentionally ignoring every single point that disproves your scumcase on me, while focusing on the only bad thing you can find?

-seCret

[seCret hYdra]

datisi surely you can see this wrt QB?

-seCret

[seCret hYdra]

how are you not intentionally ignoring every single point that disproves your scumcase on me, while focusing on the only bad thing you can find?

(1) I didn’t scumcase you and you’d know if I did

(2) you have offered exactly nothing that disproves the thesis that you’re scum

-QB

1) yes you fucking did lol

2) yes i fucking did lol

-seCret

[seCret hYdra]

you don’t really have any compelling reasons for why you’re town other than crying about “Wahhh shirou interactions make me town!!!” is very uhhh

yes i did, i've posted them in response to your slot's scumcase on me

and yes, in fact, shirou's interaction with me does in fact make me in fact town

claiming otherwise is, depending on your allignment, gamethrowing or your only option to misyeet me

-seCret

[seCret hYdra]

pedit: ico have you not read the past page or so and what i'm arguing?

ur arguing about *their* read on us

i wanna know *your* read on them now

-seCret

[seCret hYdra]

how are you not intentionally ignoring every single point that disproves your scumcase on me, while focusing on the only bad thing you can find?

(1) I didn’t scumcase you and you’d know if I did

(2) you have offered exactly nothing that disproves the thesis that you’re scum

-QB

1) yes you fucking did lol

2) yes i fucking did lol

-seCret

(1) no, i really really didnt but if you wanna keep on insisting it maybe I will and ur odds of living past the EoD go down significantly, so simmer down buzzy little bee

(2) no, u *reallly* didn’t, as there’s no reason to accept ur “BUT SHIROU” arguments as clearing and they’re all u have

-QB

threatening me is a very nice play, and it's gonna yield you amazing result, trust me

i'll start making a larger post then to completely destroy your statement here

or are you gonna use the 'oh but that doesn't say anything, SKITTER made those posts not me' as an argument?

-seCret

[seCret hYdra]

you don’t really have any compelling reasons for why you’re town other than crying about “Wahhh shirou interactions make me town!!!” is very uhhh

yes i did, i've posted them in response to your slot's scumcase on me

and yes, in fact, shirou's interaction with me does in fact make me in fact town

claiming otherwise is, depending on your allignment, gamethrowing or your only option to misyeet me

-seCret

>ur not town
>am so!
>okay, what makes u town other than shirou interactions
>SHIROU INTERACTIONS
>okay but like is there anything else?
>ofc there is
>okay, like what?
>BUT SHIROU

-QB

there's a bunch of other reasons, some which i VERY recently posted

but sure, just keep ignoring everything i say and keep your little tunnel going

let's see where that gets you

-seCret

[seCret hYdra]

does this help

-seCret

[seCret hYdra]

threatening me is a very nice play, and it's gonna yield you amazing result, trust me

i'll start making a larger post then to completely destroy your statement here

lol icon have you ever 1v1’d me and won? Like even just me and not me and skitter?

-QB

has town!me ever cared about that? scum!me is perfectly aware of which wagons i can push and get away with, and you know that

your scumread on me is made up of wet paper and ur doing everything to keep it together

-seCret

[seCret hYdra]

there's a bunch of other reasons, some which i VERY recently posted

but sure, just keep ignoring everything i say and keep your little tunnel going

Literally all of your reasons are BUT SHIROU WAAH and NO U

If there’s something else feel free to point it out. But all I see is you crying about how you should be cleared bc shirou and when accused of not doing anything going “NUH UH, AM TOO”

-QB

it's not, and i've pointed it out several times already

it's just clear you don't wanna read it because it doesn't fit your theory

otherwise you'd just see it

-seCret

[seCret hYdra]

if you wanna keep this convsation going, mena, you read shirou v me first.

We'll talk afterwards. This is pointless otherwise.

-seCret

[seCret hYdra]

the point of this post is...?

mainly poking fun at ico’s “I will destroy u!!” rhetoric

-QB

-seCret

[seCret hYdra]

I bet scum’s wet dream is lylo with any 2 of (datisi, N_M, sechyd) in it

-QB

-seCret

[seCret hYdra]

What, you’ll lose the game real quick or is that like a low-key scumclaim with ico that u couldn’t quite resist making?

-QB

-seCret

[seCret hYdra]

clearly N_M or sechyd

-QB

you gonna reply to the questions or?

what is the argument against limping NM today

does anyone have one?

-QB

NM probably town is a good enough reason for me

-seCret

[seCret hYdra]

NM has a (ehm, relative? :d) good reads progression here, mostly related to SS

also that time where he was afk and came and was like 'oh yeah ehm look at me i'm doing stuff haha' actually read fairly townie to me

i love his push on bb

there, insta noodle towncase. At the bare miminum a not-yeet-today case.

-seCret

[seCret hYdra]

elaborate?

i'd also love to see this

peta has had very recent experience alongside the player i'm emulating, as scum partners

he knows iconeum plays heavily into protect the buddy and not attack the buddy

so stating this is what he *expects* of scum!me is... interesting

-seCret

[seCret hYdra]

also: gypyx has been around. i see he's literally on site *right now*
why hasn't he posted in like a week again?

~ skitter

who cares? he isn't even talking to me in pt nor discord
i'm here and you are not even answering my questions so what do you need gypyx for?

-seCret

[seCret hYdra]

VOTE: secret hydra

talk to me? why are we scum?

why is my case on BB bad? Why is theirs good?

-seCret

[seCret hYdra]

most of shirou's interactions are so messy that i gave up on trying to read into them, not that i want to discourage you from trying, i just have no idea what to make of most of them

this reads partner-y with shirou and like infinity is on the right track lol

~ skitteR

just noting that peta is trying really, really hard to negate people's partner reads off of shirou's iso

also: daaaaaaaaattttttttttttssssssssssss i see you've been around today. do u have thoughts on things?

~ skitteR

tl;dr

i think peta is scum and his reasons for scumreading my slot are scummy, as were his reasons for scumreading aaron

~ skitteR

i haven't heard from mena since overnight :/ i'll let him know tho

implo i still never really ~liked~ but i've played against scum-him like three times and i always townread scum-him so i'm wondering if i'm not townrading him atm if that means he's town? i don't know. i don't have a good read on him. ithink he had some anti-partner-y vibes with ben as his wagon formed, so if ben (ss) was scum i think it would point to town-implo but i think ss is town anyways now so this is probably moot
i like still don't twonread him per se but i also don't know if i want him flipped, as he seems like everyone's favorite cw rn

peta is by far my biggest scumread, and i'm not sure where scum is otherwise, which is why i decided to start working on some of the other slots i don't have great reads on (i.e. at this moment i'm sorting you, etc)

~ skitteR

Also, i townread peta fairly strongly now as well, sorry for the earlier tunnel

what made you change your mind on the peta slot?

can you also reply to your progression on my slot? I posted it earlier. You went from townreading my interactions with shirou, to seeing shirou flip scum and deducting from that, that i'm scum with shirou.

-seCret

[seCret hYdra]

you never actually voted him and the whole thing concluded with "hm, you may be town after all" so, no, for me it's not particularly clearing

it's not the conclusion, it's the interaction itself which is allignment indicative

or in this case, the evidence that i'm not partners with shirou

you know that

you've literally seen it in action from the first row

i don't attack buddies like that, i try to protect them

so how is that exactly pointing towards what you'd expect from scum!me?

-seCret

[seCret hYdra]

Heya i'm kinda back, and will catch up more fully tonight

But i just want to say: ico is not solving. He's coming in every morning, making a flurry of posts, and then leaving. He is utterly lacking the drive/motivation to solve that i associate with town-him, and he, to put it quite bluntly, is not trying to solve the game. He's doing the bare minimum to 'be present' but isnt looking for scum

Whenever people criticize his slot he falls back on 'but i cant bw partnered with shirou!!!!1!', while ignoring the part where this game can be multiball and that associative should not be fully clearing - but he's acting like it is, and like he is absolved from all other scumhunting and cannot be considered scummy in any other context because of it

Now, imagine you're scum and have a great looking associative with your flipped partner- what would you be doing differently than ico is doung here? I imagine that your play would have many of the same elements of ico's, namely: coasting off of the associatve (check) and using it to absolve your slot of anything scummy it may have done otherwise (check)

And gypyx is awol, and when he is here his posting ia gross

(Working out the dissonance + need to actually catch up before i move our vote etc)

~ skitter

i have been pushing slots around all game
i've got townreads
i made poe's

accusing me of making flurry posts is like saying i'm tall or whatever. It's what I do. How is that AI? Accusing me of leaving after making my catchup? What more do you want? There's LITERALLY NOBODY ONLINE AND POSTING DURING MY ONLINE HOURS. I'd be interacting live with them otherwise.

Am I using my interaction with shirou as a main line of defence? Sure. But for good reason.

Literally the only thing that holds up here is that gypyx posting was bad. You got me there. Bad posting from a head. Must be scum. Good job.

-seCret

[seCret hYdra]

i've only went like 30% thru page one of our iso

how can you seriously tell we haven't been trying to solve this game

there's way to many posts

-a main push on isis
-a main push on shirou
-a main push on both implo and SS
-a main push on BB

-solving datisi/schiavetti/infinity/PP/Isis into the townblock (just from the top of my head i'm probably forgetting names here even

BB, do you disagree that any of this happened? Because I can just go look it up on our ISO for you.

Are you going to start admitting that your entire scumread on us is just the 'but look gypyx head made a few bad posts there', or what?

-seCret

[seCret hYdra]

weekend vla

i'll be back on Monday, don't know if my other head will be around

-seCret

[seCret hYdra]

oh sure now the kids come to the playground

-seCret

[seCret hYdra]

VOTE: secret hydra

talk to me? why are we scum?

why is my case on BB bad? Why is theirs good?

-seCret

What case on BB?

let's say it's mainly their crap progression on a number of slots (sechyd, peta), reluctance to explain said progression, and their reluctance to even read extremely relevant parts of the game because it seemingly doesn't fit their agenda

i've countered basicly every argument they had to scumread me, barring the gypyx posts, yet they are still lockscum on us

they wanna yeet NM because??

-seChyd

[seCret hYdra]

it would go a long way if they'd bother explaining the progressions i've been asking about

-drunk seCrettttttttt

[seCret hYdra]

no matter what i love all of you

even pooky

-seCrettttttt

[seCret hYdra]

holy fuck y'all

SeCret has a paranoia SR on Datisi btw, given how perfectly shirou interacted with him

sorry for inactivity

- hYdra

[seCret hYdra]

still think schavetto is town off of what i followed

idk for the rest

- hYdra

[seCret hYdra]

holy fuck y'all

SeCret has a paranoia SR on Datisi btw, given how perfectly shirou interacted with him

sorry for inactivity

- hYdra

reasoning on that as thread appears to not be locked yet is that datisi is the player in this game who would be the most proficient at actually interacting

also no reads triangle

- hYdra

[seCret hYdra]

also yes let it be remembered that activity levels are just a sign of me having fun or not

- hYdra

[seCret hYdra]

Imagine thinking this came from scum me lol

Datisi peta scum finale shotgun read

Secret

[seCret hYdra]

Peta knows this isn't my scultmeta

Dats probably coached shirou interactions witj me

Secret

[seCret hYdra]

No reads triangle from dats is a sculclaim at this Point

Secret

[seCret hYdra]

Pagetop

[seCret hYdra]

Bottom rawr! Out

[seCret hYdra]

boop beep

fuck you

Had to go out witj something here

Secret

[seCret hYdra]

i shall get the last word !

- hYdra

[seCret hYdra]

because i can post in all locked threads.

#stopmodabuse

seCret

[seCret hYdra]

brb asking cakez for thread perms

- hYdra

[seCret hYdra]

(also, we found a scumtell on datisi that was half-triggered but not really, so idk, keep that in mind if it's worth anything for u

- hYdra