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Post Post #12  (isolation #0)  » Fri Jan 15, 2021 10:38 pm

In post 8, Isis wrote:
  • xofelf (0)
  • DeasVail (0)
  • The Bulge (0)
  • Adorable (0)
  • petapan (0)

I feel disrespected! I'm hurt!

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Post Post #13  (isolation #1)  » Fri Jan 15, 2021 10:38 pm

VOTE: sirius

the coveted 4th vote

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Post Post #17  (isolation #2)  » Fri Jan 15, 2021 10:45 pm

i aim high like that

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Post Post #25  (isolation #3)  » Fri Jan 15, 2021 10:49 pm

In post 19, Aristophanes wrote:I read that "I am high like that" and it was extremely on brand haha

that one's a work in progress atm :twisted:

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Post Post #26  (isolation #4)  » Fri Jan 15, 2021 10:51 pm

if it would help creature we could all agree to shun you from the thread until you've done your exam

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Post Post #84  (isolation #5)  » Sat Jan 16, 2021 1:19 pm

sirius what were you doing Saturday afternoon from ~2:30 to 3:30?

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Post Post #120  (isolation #6)  » Sat Jan 16, 2021 5:09 pm

@reck when you play scum and feel like a certain level of ~rage~ would be appropriate, do you find you are more likely to fake the emotion to fit the play, or do you prefer to allow real emotions to dictate your posting for a more natural effect?

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Post Post #121  (isolation #7)  » Sat Jan 16, 2021 5:11 pm

@ari, thoughts on ? I'm not a big fan of the answer you gave

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Post Post #126  (isolation #8)  » Sat Jan 16, 2021 5:33 pm

ack! my vote! :shifty:

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Post Post #127  (isolation #9)  » Sat Jan 16, 2021 5:35 pm

In post 122, Adorable wrote:I didn't like the way how you just straight up voted me saying I dipped and without even engaging with me. I went to bed after I responded to DV and don't expect me to respond right away because I'm not active.

what is so concerning about voting before engaging this early in the game? he did far far more to engage you than what you did before you voted, for example.

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Post Post #131  (isolation #10)  » Sat Jan 16, 2021 5:52 pm

In post 128, Adorable wrote:-Said Bulge asking Sirius about personal life seemed abit intrusive and he put lol in the end.

classic obtusebear

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Post Post #137  (isolation #11)  » Sat Jan 16, 2021 6:09 pm

In post 133, Datisi wrote:
In post 129, Summer Nights wrote:is there anything that you do like so far, adorable?

is there anything *you* like so far?

hm I don't like that

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Post Post #138  (isolation #12)  » Sat Jan 16, 2021 6:10 pm

In post 132, Datisi wrote:hot take: hectic/reck are t/t

nor this

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Post Post #140  (isolation #13)  » Sat Jan 16, 2021 6:13 pm

I don't necessarily disagree but they ping me as unwarranted and performative.

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Post Post #141  (isolation #14)  » Sat Jan 16, 2021 6:13 pm

@adorable, ...yea what reck said

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Post Post #173  (isolation #15)  » Sat Jan 16, 2021 8:01 pm

In post 145, Augustus Caesar wrote:
In post 140, The Bulge wrote:I don't necessarily disagree but they ping me as unwarranted and performative.

I agree regarding Reck, he felt over the top and performative to me, hence my initial vote.

Why do you think my reaction is unwarranted though? A player is telling me they're refusing to read any of my posts due to a picture at the bottom, how would you expect me to react?

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yea, what they said. I meant those lines from datisi feel forced. I can see the "over the top"-ness you're seeing in reck but I don't really agree with that take. I don't have a read on reck at this point.

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Post Post #174  (isolation #16)  » Sat Jan 16, 2021 8:02 pm

In post 146, Datisi wrote:
In post 140, The Bulge wrote:I don't necessarily disagree but they ping me as unwarranted and performative.

hmm, is there any elaboration to this?

@hectic, links to adorable town/scum meta you're using here?

pedit: i think bulge was calling my hot take unwarranted and performative, not you/reck.

I'll leave it at that for now

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Post Post #176  (isolation #17)  » Sat Jan 16, 2021 8:03 pm

lol woops thought I posted this when I typed it

In post 149, Summer Nights wrote:also, i think that bulge meant that datisi's takes were feeling performative which i did get pinged by too

like framing it as a hot take when i don't think? it's really one was a bit ? to me so i wanna understand

for me it's that + calling an interaction tvt completely unsolicited when it isn't even really so much a topic of discussion att. it pinged me like a bad faith clickbait headline, jafeel?

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Post Post #178  (isolation #18)  » Sat Jan 16, 2021 8:04 pm

In post 175, DeasVail wrote:
In post 119, Adorable wrote:I did not like the way how you voted me saying I look fake.

I can confirm that you looked fake though (regardless of your alignment) so I don't think disliking this from Datisi is valid.

how does that invalidate that line of thinking from her pov?

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Post Post #179  (isolation #19)  » Sat Jan 16, 2021 8:06 pm

In post 154, Sirius9121 wrote:I love this game it's so slow

siriussssss did you miss my question?

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Post Post #182  (isolation #20)  » Sat Jan 16, 2021 8:07 pm

well now you're assuming I would remember something like that and that I would care if I did

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Post Post #185  (isolation #21)  » Sat Jan 16, 2021 8:11 pm

In post 183, Sirius9121 wrote:
In post 84, The Bulge wrote:sirius what were you doing Saturday afternoon from ~2:30 to 3:30?

sleeping probably

why did you change votes between your first two posts?

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Post Post #190  (isolation #22)  » Sat Jan 16, 2021 8:16 pm

are you talking about calling titus/klyne tvt?? that is really not a relevant situation to even be comparing this to. the context within their own games of titus v klyne and that of reck v hectics are wildly different.

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Post Post #191  (isolation #23)  » Sat Jan 16, 2021 8:17 pm

In post 188, Sirius9121 wrote:
In post 185, The Bulge wrote:
In post 183, Sirius9121 wrote:
In post 84, The Bulge wrote:sirius what were you doing Saturday afternoon from ~2:30 to 3:30?

sleeping probably

why did you change votes between your first two posts?

it's just RVs

why aren't I allowed to change my RVs

I don't have a problem with that, just was curious about the hour gap

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Post Post #193  (isolation #24)  » Sat Jan 16, 2021 8:23 pm

wait back up
In post 181, Datisi wrote:
In post 176, The Bulge wrote:for me it's that + calling an interaction tvt completely unsolicited when it isn't even really so much a topic of discussion att. it pinged me like a bad faith clickbait headline, jafeel?

there is a specific reason why this reasoning from you is kinda bothering me right now

i'm p sure i did something similar to that in the last game we played in together so i'm not sure why you're having problems with it here?

similar to what exactly?

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Post Post #196  (isolation #25)  » Sat Jan 16, 2021 8:34 pm

ok so same situation I'm talking about because flashwagoning galaxii implies you weren't happy with the leading wagons of titus and klyne. except insisting on looking at it from that angle makes it an even less apt comparison because stating a scumread will almost always be more relevant than stating you think a pair is t/t. and I am really not super concerned with your choice of words, maybe ydra cares more about that, idk.

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Post Post #247  (isolation #26)  » Sun Jan 17, 2021 4:29 pm

In post 198, Datisi wrote:eh, i felt it was decently similar enough that i don't see why you'd be suspicious of me here but i don't think we're gonna get anything more out of this

what did you mean when you said it was "bothering" you?

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Post Post #248  (isolation #27)  » Sun Jan 17, 2021 4:30 pm

In post 240, Datisi wrote:
In post 235, Ydrasse wrote:if she was scum and adorable was town she knows she could probably push through an elim on adorable given how the spotlight's been there so far

correct me if i'm wrong, but so far, only 2 people have actually said they suspect adorable while even before peta/deas, hectic was defending her. like, this kinda read seems... very premature? because two (2) people have said they're sus of (assume town) adorable, you'd think scum would immediately go trying get that execution, less than 10 pages in?

which 2 people are you talking about here?

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Post Post #249  (isolation #28)  » Sun Jan 17, 2021 4:31 pm

I agree re: 0-1 scum in dv/peta

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Post Post #252  (isolation #29)  » Sun Jan 17, 2021 4:39 pm

ok my first thought was peta/dv for prodding at adorable in the first place and wasn't sure which pair you weren't mentioning

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Post Post #336  (isolation #30)  » Mon Jan 18, 2021 11:25 pm

In post 327, Creature wrote:I don't think this is fake, but it feels like something scum are more likely to post.

I vibe with this post a lot

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Post Post #337  (isolation #31)  » Mon Jan 18, 2021 11:25 pm

ari's comeback post? not so much

VOTE: Aristophanes

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Post Post #338  (isolation #32)  » Mon Jan 18, 2021 11:27 pm

lmao 4th again :nerd:

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Post Post #339  (isolation #33)  » Mon Jan 18, 2021 11:28 pm

Creature do you have any further thoughts on Datisi?

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Post Post #504  (isolation #34)  » Thu Jan 21, 2021 10:03 am

I was prodded late in the night

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Post Post #514  (isolation #35)  » Thu Jan 21, 2021 11:02 am

In post 354, Sirius9121 wrote:@cactus hair

He says Bulge Guy is pingy.
he thinks 'why did you switch votes' is a scummy question to be asked in RVS and its looking for a way to murder me

mm maybe if I didn't switch off of you after that

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Post Post #515  (isolation #36)  » Thu Jan 21, 2021 11:02 am

In post 367, Aristophanes wrote:
In post 84, The Bulge wrote:sirius what were you doing Saturday afternoon from ~2:30 to 3:30?
This is weird and I don't like it or the implications of using out of game influence. If it's some joke then fine but it has big nope vibes.

lmao. look at sirius' timezone, then look at his first two posts (look at them with thread context, not in iso). i think someone else was confused/concerned about this as well

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Post Post #516  (isolation #37)  » Thu Jan 21, 2021 11:02 am

In post 402, Creature wrote:
In post 318, Creature wrote:
In post 9, Datisi wrote:woo!

VOTE: sirius

This is probably town

Oh right I did. Just forgot to note it down earlier

lol? I thought of this when i asked you about datisi earlier, I... really didn't think this was meant to be a relevant read of his alignment

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Post Post #517  (isolation #38)  » Thu Jan 21, 2021 11:03 am

In post 410, xRECKONERx wrote:@Bulge: has Gamma Emerald read this game?

I don't think so, there's hasn't been a lot of discussion between games for us

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Post Post #518  (isolation #39)  » Thu Jan 21, 2021 11:03 am

In post 450, xRECKONERx wrote:can you reconcile these two posts? In one, you say you've been paranoid of people defending you bc they might be scum. In the other, you say someone defended you so they must be town for defending you because scum would push you.

this is a contradiction. again.

she said her teammates advised her to be wary of being pocketed and that she disagreed. not a contradiction.

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Post Post #519  (isolation #40)  » Thu Jan 21, 2021 11:03 am

In post 466, beeboy wrote:Is anyone here is there something I should know before I read back?
My team has been yelling at me while I do other things and I am starting to feel bad.

this is not good

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Post Post #520  (isolation #41)  » Thu Jan 21, 2021 11:03 am

In post 491, Sirius9121 wrote:very simple half read list:

artistic boi: very stressed as scum. more prone to theatre. so far so quiet. +town
pink fluff: giant sheep? was some extent to a read BUT only mentions dats/hect/xof/ari/creature? to some extent is always sheeping hect/summer? +scum
bulge boi: really asking other ppl many questions but no... readlists themselves?
heccticc: uh... assuming they are starrling seems very different from starrling from 2175? many reads which im not like 100% sure is a good thing due to town mafia

what is odd to you about Adorable only presenting reads on a select few players?

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Post Post #521  (isolation #42)  » Thu Jan 21, 2021 11:05 am

UNVOTE: Aristophanes

those walls look quite townie despite a few instances of badlogic.

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Post Post #522  (isolation #43)  » Thu Jan 21, 2021 11:06 am

I have a big vanity vote I wanna throw down but it might require some work and I have to get ready now. hang tight

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Post Post #600  (isolation #44)  » Thu Jan 21, 2021 9:31 pm

sorry

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Post Post #602  (isolation #45)  » Thu Jan 21, 2021 9:32 pm

i actually do feel kinda bad for striking while you were probably changing accounts when i dont think ive ever done a pagetop like that as a player in my life

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Post Post #603  (isolation #46)  » Thu Jan 21, 2021 9:35 pm

anyway I nearly froze my ass off at work today. feeling both mentally and physically exhausted so we'll see if I get around to doing as much as I had hoped tonight.

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Post Post #605  (isolation #47)  » Thu Jan 21, 2021 9:43 pm

first tell me you're town.

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Post Post #649  (isolation #48)  » Fri Jan 22, 2021 8:00 pm

In post 527, Augustus Caesar wrote:
In post 478, Adorable wrote:
In post 477, xRECKONERx wrote:
In post 470, Adorable wrote:I never said I have been paranoid of scum defending me. I was talking about Summer who said she was paranoid of Hectic defending her. midwaybear said earlier he thinks there is scum defending me and I disagreed with him.

ah i see -- so your TEAMMATES are paranoid about scum defending you.

if you disagree with midwaybear, then why do you read me as town now?


midwaybear said 3 days ago he is worried scum are defending me but I disagreed with him. I really liked your post you made on #404 where you were talking about agar's thoughts on the game and this looked like to me your team are helping you solve the game. From what I saw from agar is he said he thinks Hectic's post #256 read like tmi to him which would point to me being town. You said you disagreed with him with the read on me and Hectic. The fact that we have been disagreeing with our team mates is what made me started town reading you.

I'll be heading off to work now.

I like this post a lot. It's one thing to fake you're disagreeing with your teammates, but it's another to see that happen to another person and recognise them as town due to the familiar circumstances
I think Puff!scum is a lot less likely to fake a read like this

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this is a really good catch. vibin with this big time

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Post Post #650  (isolation #49)  » Fri Jan 22, 2021 8:00 pm

In post 546, petapan wrote:i think his original vote was timed as there was momentum on ari and the reasoning was only "didn't vibe with his comeback post" but now momentum is dying s it's just "walls look townie despite badlogic" like...that's all?

the momentum rising and then falling just shows that other people were seeing what I was seeing lmao

but I mean I kinda see what you're saying. if I had more specific things I cared to say about those walls I would have said them att, or like if I had been asked, but like now, I super don't care to explain myself further if that is what you are asking

In post 611, petapan wrote:i like that response from ari

big disagree. I don't like/agree the way he is describing the gamestate and don't understand the rush to end things. unvoting again and then continuing to throw shit at reck is also super bad. what do you like about it, besides the flow?

In post 612, petapan wrote:very free flowing

in like an ari-meta way, or like, are you implying only town can type out their thoughts as they come?

In post 619, petapan wrote:that being said i think i could shift my vote to the bulge here. that's probably underwhelming as well but when ari said he suspected bulge, i did go back and look and see he was doing a lot of questioning without pushing anywhere, and the fact that he keeps talking about making a vanity vote rather than actually doing it is scummy to me. i think because coming up with a lie is a little more difficult/unpleasant, people tend to procrastinate more as scum. i feel like if he had some super secret read he'd have just said it by now but he's holding back because he feels a need to justify it and hasn't been able to yet. that's my theory at least

lmao my guy I mentioned it once. I had to bounce and didn't want to drop a naked vote on someone I have more than a gutread on. you asked about, reck asked about, deas has mentioned it, datisi has mentioned it.

also how much time do you think I need to come up with one fake scumread hahaha. I've been scum more than a handful of times, I know what I'm doing. I haven't even given a name yet, you think scum!me can't find a single shred of justification for literally any townie in the game? that....kinda hurts lol

also you are familiar enough with my play even just from Antechamber alone to know that procrastination is NAI for me. in fact I seriously don't think town!you could throw out some "people tend to procrastinate more as scum" bullshit with a straight face regardless of who you were applying that to. it's just so weak. you were coming up with far better shit to shade me for in Antechamber and we were both town.

yea this post sucks, dude.

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Post Post #651  (isolation #50)  » Fri Jan 22, 2021 8:01 pm

In post 584, Adorable wrote:Sirius said innocent boy likes peta +town and is that the only town read innocent has? I have 6 players I am town reading and petapan is one of those players I'm still trying to figure out their alignment.

someone on the outside looking into this game is probably not making a huge deal about reading thoroughly/keeping their thoughts in order.

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Post Post #652  (isolation #51)  » Fri Jan 22, 2021 8:01 pm

In post 616, Aristophanes wrote:3. Yes, I was implying you're scum. I noted regretting the unvote. I noted that I would literally eliminate you now if I could. Like basically if I had a vig shot I'd rather aim it at you than anyone else atm.
I realize, however, that a tunnel like that could hurt both our reads and the gamestate. I have enough awareness to say to myself "wow, Reck obviously isnt the Elim today. Maybe I should put that aside since it looks like beeboy is the Elim and I don't want to clutter the game at a point when the day is winding to a natural close. Maybe I even said all that in that very post! :O

huhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm..............

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Post Post #655  (isolation #52)  » Fri Jan 22, 2021 8:26 pm

I am working on a case as we speak. as I specifically stated, it is more than a gutread, hence why no, I will not be throwing it away on a whim simply for your satisfaction. the fact that you are trying to rush information out of me when I have already made it abundantly clear that I want to spend time on it, and then calling ME scummy for refusing to cater to some scumfuck's demands? please.

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Post Post #656  (isolation #53)  » Fri Jan 22, 2021 8:27 pm

also, please point out where I appealed to your emotion. "that hurts" was a joke. if you misinterpreted that part, fine, but if there is something else then please share.

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Post Post #657  (isolation #54)  » Fri Jan 22, 2021 8:28 pm

at this point I am probably actually going to finish doing my case and then just vote you instead for now.

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Post Post #661  (isolation #55)  » Fri Jan 22, 2021 8:42 pm

drumroll please

I already talked about why initially pinged me with a few earlier posts. Datisi's defense was a weird awkward self-meta attempt that only made me feel stronger about my pings.
In post 181, Datisi wrote:
In post 176, The Bulge wrote:for me it's that + calling an interaction tvt completely unsolicited when it isn't even really so much a topic of discussion att. it pinged me like a bad faith clickbait headline, jafeel?

there is a specific reason why this reasoning from you is kinda bothering me right now

i'm p sure i did something similar to that in the last game we played in together so i'm not sure why you're having problems with it here?
In post 187, Datisi wrote:
In post 182, The Bulge wrote:well now you're assuming I would remember something like that and that I would care if I did

i thought you'd remember how i started a flashwagon on your scumbuddy

/shrug idunno i thought it would be relevant to bring up if you're thinking i'm scum for something that's nai for me at worst but ok iguess
In post 251, Datisi wrote:
In post 247, The Bulge wrote:
In post 198, Datisi wrote:eh, i felt it was decently similar enough that i don't see why you'd be suspicious of me here but i don't think we're gonna get anything more out of this

what did you mean when you said it was "bothering" you?

it's like, you're in my townleans atm, but in my mind you disliking those posts is a point against town!you. it's not a particularly strong point, but it's There, like a tiny pebble in my shoe.

the way he tries to turn it around on me by threatening his townlean on me is hilarious. and I despise how he calls off our discussion because we're not "gonna get anything more out of this", and then immediately proceeds to shade me? and like, if i am slipping out of your townleans, that's when you want to cut me loose of the convo? what scumhunting strategy is that? and now since then, he has done a full 180 on me, which like, on its own sure, other shit has happened since then, but it's still incredibly scummy to me.


then there's this weird nervous jokey self-awareness I have been noticing more the further we get into the game. note the increasing frequency (imagine this as a line graph! game time on x, datisi's fake-sounding overly-self-aware posts on y, would be interesting to compare to how much people are throwing his name around in thread maybe)

In post 451, Datisi wrote:ok wow this the only thing i'm talking about in this post is myself uhhh
In post 535, Datisi wrote:ok i need to actually post something ok let's see.

ok i understand beeboy is doing the scum!beeboy thing but sources tell me that sometimes, just Sometimes beeboy does not play as town in a similar manner to this. (and a lightning quick meta search confirmed this.) so i'd like to ask the good people to not yet yeet. also you are free to now start discussing whether this post makes me a more or less likely partner for beeboy, i'm looking forward to it.

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jesus this post is saying nothing of value
my teammates are gonna be disappointed
In post 558, Datisi wrote: - no i'm not trying to make a meta argument on why i'm XYZ alignment here, please lower the shotgun reck, i'm just illustrating that i'm usually not stingy with my votes)
In post 559, Datisi wrote:yes i'm aware i'm potentially being unfair going from memory as opposed to like, actually opening iso's and rereading them to see, but i'm gonna be arrogant enough to say that if i don't remember anything worthwhile from the slot, maybe the slot hasn't done anything worthwhile.
In post 618, Datisi wrote:
insert: complaint how right now there is more than one person who is policy-able and that is sapping my will to even try. does that kinda complaint make me +town or +scum? anyway.
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also i'm an anxious person in general. up to the reader to determine if it's town or scum anxiety, i guess.
In post 620, Datisi wrote:VOTE: bulge
now if i'm the bulge's vanity vote, i can call bulge scum for omgusing, oh my god i'm a genuis.


that last one also suggests to me that Datisi suspects he was my ~secret read~, and is nervous about what I might say, and unwilling to engage me directly on it.

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Post Post #662  (isolation #56)  » Fri Jan 22, 2021 8:43 pm

In post 658, DeasVail wrote:Oh the case is not on peta? Aw :( I got excited there!

next I will probably look at how likely or unlikely they are as partners, atm I can't think of any reasons why or why not.

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Post Post #663  (isolation #57)  » Fri Jan 22, 2021 8:43 pm

I almost forgot

VOTE: peta

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Post Post #666  (isolation #58)  » Fri Jan 22, 2021 8:45 pm

In post 660, petapan wrote:
In post 655, The Bulge wrote:I am working on a case as we speak. as I specifically stated, it is more than a gutread, hence why no, I will not be throwing it away on a whim simply for your satisfaction. the fact that you are trying to rush information out of me when I have already made it abundantly clear that I want to spend time on it, and then calling ME scummy for refusing to cater to some scumfuck's demands? please.
lol what the fuck is this

my big scum agenda: rush bulge to out his secret read in a stagnant game
In post 656, The Bulge wrote:also, please point out where I appealed to your emotion. "that hurts" was a joke. if you misinterpreted that part, fine, but if there is something else then please share.

specifically bringing up my past misread of you is a form of emotional appeal that's trying to intimidate me into backing down. you remind me of a mistake, the effect is to make me think i might be wrong again even though it's entirely different circumstances so i don't really care

is what I said false? did you not prompt me to share my thoughts before they were ready, and then suggest that made me scummy?

sure, ok, but my point was never that you were wrong about me that game, it's that your reasons actually made sense and were extremely believable from my pov to be coming from town. here I see you spouting bullshit I don't think you even believe yourself.

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Post Post #667  (isolation #59)  » Fri Jan 22, 2021 8:47 pm

In post 666, The Bulge wrote:and then suggest that made me scummy?

*and then suggest that my refusal made me scummy

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Post Post #674  (isolation #60)  » Fri Jan 22, 2021 9:05 pm

lol gottem

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Post Post #677  (isolation #61)  » Fri Jan 22, 2021 9:10 pm

In post 668, petapan wrote:really took you that long to put that shit together?

????????

yes peta, for 30 hours I toiled over my case. I didnt sleep last night, or go to work today or yesterday, nor did I just spend the time right when I got home responding to other parts of the game.

this is the shit I was talking about. you don't believe this push because you know that is not how the game works.

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Post Post #697  (isolation #62)  » Sat Jan 23, 2021 6:14 pm

In post 678, Datisi wrote:i mean, were we gonna get anything more out of that convo? i thought your suspicion on me was weird because i had recently done something similar in a towngame with you and i thought you should know better than to suspect me for *checks notes* calling an interaction tvt unprompted and using language such as "hot take", which i'm p sure someone in the thread said in the meantime is just my way of speaking. you thought the situations were not similar enough for my comparison to hold water.

once again, I didn't have a problem with your word choice, stop trying to make it that. there were several lines of yours that looked to me as performative and unnecessary for town to make. I agree we weren't getting anywhere talking about Jungle Oligarchy, but shutting down the conversation entirely instead of pursuing your own line of questioning when you said your read on me had flipped is scummy.
like, if you're town, i'm not gonna be able to convince you otherwise. if you're scum, i'm not gonna be able to convince you otherwise. i don't have too much need for wasting time trying to convince someone why my action shouldn't be scumleaned if they already disagreed with my explanation. just note it is a slight +scum thing for them and move on.

you shut down the conversation because the pressure was focused on you. if your read of me had really gone from town->scum in the span of that exchange then why would you not want me to keep talking?
re: the jokey awareness

this is scummy because ... ? like ok here's the thing. i play town by just spewing thoughts as they come because that way, at some point, it's gonna be obvious i'm town. a lot of my thoughts this game have been "wow this game is fuckin' boring. wow i don't feel like doing anything and i have nothing to talk about. oh, that is often scum indicative. hah."

you seem confident and nervous all at once in a way that suggests to me that you might possibly be playing outside of your usual scumrange, which is something you have certainly not hesitated to mention or imply.
i suspected i was your secret read, yes, i always suspect i'm the secret read when people say "oh i have a super secret scumread i'll sit on it for a bit". yeah i'm nervous if you're about to drop a bomb ass case that will just murder me on the spot. (this ain't it, though.) you're free to explain how these things make me scum, though. last time i checked, getting executed hurts my win condition as town too.

don't try to act like it isn't perfectly reasonable to assume that execution anxiety comes from scum more often than town.
unwilling to engage you directly about it? i mean, when someone asked who your super secret read is, you were like "no no wait i will make a case i cannot utter the name without the case ready", how was i supposed to directly engage with that, without even knowing? and i'm directly engaging you now, am i not?

obviously you're forced to engage with me now, why are you bringing this up? I was talking about before I said who my vanity vote would be. like you didn't want to risk adding fuel to the fire before knowing what to avoid doing to stop tipping me off.
In post 679, Datisi wrote:oh, forgot to add this part: going from "eh i'm slightly townleaning bulge for early day posting" to "yeah time has passed and bulge hasn't really done anything, i can drop a vote on him" is like, not quite a full 180 i think.

on its own, sure, but it's not a good look with the potential omgus and with how awkward your hop onto me was.

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Post Post #698  (isolation #63)  » Sat Jan 23, 2021 6:14 pm

In post 680, petapan wrote:
DeasVail wrote:I could be wrong. I was just surprised to see bulge’s case inspire so much passion.

The big lead-up to an ultimately underwhelming case seems like a weird move from scum.
i guess you could say i am agitated which started with his response to me and then continued with him dropping a post whose reasoning i felt to be especially weak

i don't see it being "weird" makes it less likely, not like people can always fabricate strong cases or anticipate how they'll be received, but if someone is hoping to give the appearance of ~genuine solving~ or whatever the kids call it these days it helps to look like you have ~original thinking~. but reasoning based on someone sounding "off" is rvs-ish stuff, it's underdeveloped and seemingly brushes by actual content. i don't like it!

your insistence on using meta for so many people this game, yourself included, but not mentioning my meta at all and instead speaking in vague general terms is continuing to weird me out.

ftr I very much agree with dv that your reaction to my Datisi post is weirdly combative.

In post 681, petapan wrote:
In post 677, The Bulge wrote:
In post 668, petapan wrote:really took you that long to put that shit together?

????????

yes peta, for 30 hours I toiled over my case. I didnt sleep last night, or go to work today or yesterday, nor did I just spend the time right when I got home responding to other parts of the game.

this is the shit I was talking about. you don't believe this push because you know that is not how the game works.

yeah okay man this was definitely not you struggling to force a bad case

how long do you actually think it took me? what was your point in saying that? what is your basis? what does coming for my timing accomplish except to discredit me?

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Post Post #699  (isolation #64)  » Sat Jan 23, 2021 6:15 pm

In post 682, Datisi wrote:ok only now i actually read through all the quotes you included as jokey self-awareness, and only now i noticed there's also a quote of me knowing reck doesn't like self-meta and me knowing that my own memory is fallible and that going from memory often isn't ideal for analyzing isos. eh, i can kinda? sorta? see that second one as "yeah if i'm wrong on these people, it's because i was just going from memory, okay, i wasn't purposefully misrepping them or anything" but like... i dunno. i feel like if that were your train of thought, you'd maybe have written it out there?

what is the point of this?

how sure are you that i'm scum in this game, bulge?

atm you are my second from the bottom

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Post Post #823  (isolation #65)  » Mon Jan 25, 2021 11:40 pm

thought I'd have more time tonight but I feel like peta and datisi both being scum is unlikely. and I super don't have the energy to push or argue with both, so i want to reset myself to an extent tomorrow

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Post Post #963  (isolation #66)  » Wed Jan 27, 2021 8:34 pm

I'm not gonna go through all the effort of fully catching up or rejigging my reads if there is an impending flip. but i agree with hectic/datisi here about the claim. granted i was extremely wrong about not believing the Day 4 IC claim in a recent mini normal so I am feeling very paranoid about taking that stance but eh I don't like it.

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Post Post #964  (isolation #67)  » Wed Jan 27, 2021 8:36 pm

also @peta/datisi, ive seen your most recent responses to me. looking over my iso this game there's a lot I don't feel good about anymore but idk

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Post Post #973  (isolation #68)  » Wed Jan 27, 2021 8:46 pm

In post 969, Datisi wrote:
In post 964, The Bulge wrote:also @peta/datisi, ive seen your most recent responses to me. looking over my iso this game there's a lot I don't feel good about anymore but idk

i'm not sure what this means.

I looked and thought to respond earlier this afternoon, but I wasnt feeling good about my push or just where my head was at in retrospect, so couldnt really say much that I really felt. I'm not gonna just leave them hanging but once I'm better re-established here I'll try to put a nice little ribbon on them for you.

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Post Post #976  (isolation #69)  » Wed Jan 27, 2021 8:52 pm

like a "nice try, tiger, you'll get 'em next time" headpat??

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Post Post #1090  (isolation #70)  » Sun Jan 31, 2021 7:49 pm

I started reading from the top yesterdsy and taking notes (!) which I've never really done before. I don't think Datisi is plausibly scum anymore, but I did think I had found something re:peta!scum that turns out was nothing at all. I'll check in again once I get more reading done.

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Post Post #1142  (isolation #71)  » Tue Feb 02, 2021 6:08 pm

okokok taking notes is actually proving very fruitful

idk what im gonna do with it all (ie presentation-wise) once im done and im only thru the first 20 pages but my reads are coming together nicely and my head is feeling clear, and I'm done with making "catching up brb" posts for the time being.

any questions for now, datisi and hectic?

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Post Post #1173  (isolation #72)  » Thu Feb 04, 2021 4:33 pm

uh last time I mentioned that I was gonna Do a Thing everyone blew it out of proportion and somehow really Mandela Effect-ed how much I hyped it up (I mentioned it once as a little note-to-self without ever intending to set any expectations) so I just want to be super super clear right now that 1. that was some unfair bullshit and 2. I have no idea what I'm going to do with all my notes once I've caught up. maybe there'll be a readslist, maybe a neatly formatted wall, maybe straight copy+pasted scratch from my .txt file. maybe I'll jump right back into real-time shit without a hassle. who knows! don't box me in! the world is my oyster!


that being said, Datisi, lets call it "later today probably", although I seriously doubt the whole game is waiting on just me right now.

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Post Post #1174  (isolation #73)  » Thu Feb 04, 2021 4:36 pm

if you like super cannot wait til then I guess I'm open to answering any questions people have about my reads as they stand right now (up to page 25)

this was my week off but also my birthday week so when I could have been dedicating spare time to playing mafia I made blanket forts and ate a bunch of mushrooms instead. I'm not a slow reader, just a distracted one.

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Post Post #1175  (isolation #74)  » Thu Feb 04, 2021 4:39 pm

Creature I'm feeling like you are my strongest NULL from where I'm at rn, and I don't see that changing with just more of what I'm already doing. in your opinion, how should I be reading you? what's a good way of discerning your alignment normally?

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Post Post #1239  (isolation #75)  » Fri Feb 05, 2021 8:46 pm

In post 772, Augustus Caesar wrote:Bulge: Did you write and right after one another?

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yea when I multipost like that it's usually when I've composed a bunch of posts sort of concurrently. sometimes I leave them in tabs and come back to them, if I have to, but I usually submit all at once when I'm done.

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Post Post #1240  (isolation #76)  » Fri Feb 05, 2021 8:50 pm

pressure, whether it's votes or questions, works only if the subject's reasons for not posting are due to gamestate. I'm just bad at rationing my time between equally unimportant leisure activities. for me personally, at a certain point, too much undue pressure makes the game unfun and lowers it on my list of priorities (not something that's happening this game, to be clear).

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Post Post #1241  (isolation #77)  » Fri Feb 05, 2021 8:50 pm

I am caught up tho! let me do some compiling, but I'm here for the next little while.

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Post Post #1300  (isolation #78)  » Fri Feb 05, 2021 10:06 pm

Spoiler: posts that inspired thought
reck -
like the hop onto adorable, feels natural

xofelf -
complaining about gimmick accounts to find content
different for reck due to his meta + venting about TM rules

ari -
originally misinterpreted this post. this is fine, not dodgey

hectic -
feels like hopkirk. hard to fake these team inputs

*Probably at least 2? scum sharing team input

sirius -
probably real team thoughts

deasvail -
why is that invalid?

datisi -
maybe calling off discussion is actually townie

adorable -
i like this reaction to deasvail questioning her team reads

--PAGE TEN--

datisi -
effort to be understood by adorable

reck -
backpedaling the self-meta before it's called?

xofelf -
doesn't say anything bad or scummy about adorable's content, lots of words to critique playstyle

datisi -
town mindset to catch this wagon/adorable dodging questions

deasvail -
post says nothing, leaves all doors open

ari -
makes the question about reck when i'm clearly prodding about ari

reck -
partnery

summer -
kinda noncommittal readslist

*Creature/dv/summer setting up swing from beeboy to sirius? hectic calls out in

ari -
weird read on hectic, why would scum just hide behind alts and not be helpful
pointless question to dv ("why not question literally anything else instead?")
extremely weak associatives with me/datisi

ari -
repeat of 287

ari -
soft defense of beeboy ignores his meta

deasvail -
not a big fan of straight answering such a weird question. ari partner?

ari -
or appealing to dv?

reck -
these agarthoughts are showy

summer -
awkward hop off sirius/onto beeboy

sirius -
big town vibes

reck -
jumped the gun on this point, slow roll from reck vs adorable is strange

datisi -
too self conscious

ari -
weird awkward repeat of 374, shades xofelf

summer -
WHO KILLED PETA?

--PAGE TWENTY--

creature -
beeboy partnery

hectic -
willing to double back on reason when peta engaged, towny

datisi -
too self conscious while planting seeds of a beeboy defense

datisi -
not a scum explanation

reck -
sets up a move back onto adorable
shades me for asking him selfmeta question, but why now and not then?

xofelf -
unnecessary defense of reck

xofelf -
mentions ari's content without any specifics, weirdly holistic read but not being presented as so

ari -
rushed, and "nice try tho" in same post as unvoting reck is weird

deasvail -
good lines of questioning, really trying to squeeze content out of creature

ari(bulge) -
indirect, nervous, too many words (why not just "I would shoot you")

deasvail -
would scum say that about town? ("i have a feeling my read will be town")

datisi - ,,
good response to a bad case

xofelf -
first time bringing up team input, odd timing re:my datisi post

creature -
convenient

--PAGE THIRTY--

deasvail -
not pressuring RCE as a partner

creature -
distancey

creature -
what? dv feels me

*LOOK AT RCE ISOs, ONE OR MORE DON'T BELONG*

summer -
team input feels somewhat faked

reck -
halfassed unvote (bus?) after being called by peta

datisi -
not partnery

creature -
disagree with assessment of deasvail

creature -
is this all in defense of RCE?

datisi -
partner never digs for a reason to not believe a claim like this

petapan -
inclined to trust this read

hectic -
gets no points for not believing the claim

rce -
no stance against summer, could be unwilling to bus lurking partner when he is doomed d2 either way

summer -
too hypothetical

creature -
why a liability and not just scum?

--PAGE FORTY--

summer -
like this reaction, urgency in ensuing posts feels real

ari -
no stance at all on RCE claim, defers to his team

sirius -
good catch re:finding a better fakeclaim, not scum

summer -
genuinely wants to be able to read sirius properly

xofelf -
bad hammer, defers stance to teammates like ari did

hectic -
odd pivot, what was hectic thinking overnight?

datisi -
good response

hectic -
I had a similar thought re:Datisi+Reck

xofelf -
good post, last line especially feels townie

xofelf -
pretty good take on my play, feels genuine

reck -
is this trying to cast doubt on the possibility of svs wagons?

ari -
not a fan of the first two sentences

datisi -
too weak a push for scum to go there


leaves me feeling something like

hectic
datisi
adorable
sirius
summer

deasvail
xofelf

reck
creature
ari


additional notes for now:
-reck vs ari could very easily be theatre, neither is very sticky about it
-deasvail has done some things that seem extremely unlikely for scum to have done (most notably his pressure of rce, although Datisi is the least likely beeboy partner imo), but I know he is a very skilled player
-if deasvail is scum then I think that heavily points to creature as a partner
-summer is sketchy/null overall to me, but her reaction to being counterwagoned was super town, although less so if creature scum.
-xofelf reads as scummy to me but recent posting is much better, and their stance on my slot feels so real I can't shake it.

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Post Post #1305  (isolation #79)  » Fri Feb 05, 2021 10:10 pm

thanks! I felt pretty good about my colour choices :) and yours is my favourite! I didn't know salmon was "default"-y enough to work with [color] tags

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Post Post #1312  (isolation #80)  » Fri Feb 05, 2021 10:20 pm

hmmm individually I find ari's posts more likely to be scum, where a lot of the scummy things I might see in reck are probably playstyle. When I finished the list and thought about what teams did/did not make sense out of it, it occurred to me that reck and ari could very well both be scum, but that didn't really affect my order.

creature, like I said already, was smackdab null at like the midway point of my read, but things got worse, mainly with his positioning around beeboy/rce. I put him between the others because ari's posting is scummier imo than creature's positioning, which in turn is scummier than reck's positioning and his posting. sorry if that only confuses you more I know that's a super not-straightforward answer to a very straightforward request

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Post Post #1318  (isolation #81)  » Fri Feb 05, 2021 10:24 pm

@augustus tbh I couldn't decide between you and datisi for the top spot, but felt a little Image about it after what my day 1 focus was. I've heavy vibed with a lot of your posts, and have seen obvious gamesolving motivation from the start.

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Post Post #1328  (isolation #82)  » Fri Feb 05, 2021 10:30 pm

I saw it. I like it. I was waiting for dv to respond to it some more

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Post Post #1330  (isolation #83)  » Fri Feb 05, 2021 10:31 pm

pichu what the hell man

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Post Post #1348  (isolation #84)  » Fri Feb 05, 2021 11:28 pm

I have no idea what that means, but I think it gets townpoints?!?

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Post Post #1355  (isolation #85)  » Sat Feb 06, 2021 1:51 pm

In post 1353, DeasVail wrote:Bulge, how much is your read of me influenced by the recent pressure on me?

not at all. my read of you is the kind of nullread that's like "town, or scum playing exactly how they should be". nothing that makes me go "scum would never do that!" but rather "weak scum could never pull that off", jafeel?

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Post Post #1356  (isolation #86)  » Sat Feb 06, 2021 1:55 pm

that said

I've taken a closer look, Hectic, and some of your points imo don't hold water because of this
In post 902, petapan wrote:UNVOTE:

ok 0 reason to ever vote out that role

smells of buying time but is 100% provable so he gets a chance to prove it

have thoughts on where i want to go but need time to compose them
In post 903, DeasVail wrote:UNVOTE:


i think it would be weird and unnatural for dv to get into a full explanation of why to keep rce alive when peta is here doing exactly that. I see what you're saying is missing if you're looking at his iso, but with the context of the thread, I don't think the onus was on dv at the time to explain his unvote.

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Post Post #1357  (isolation #87)  » Sat Feb 06, 2021 2:02 pm

reck, out of curiosity, did you see/make note of ari's before I pointed it out?

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Post Post #1359  (isolation #88)  » Sat Feb 06, 2021 2:09 pm

oh hey I found the vc

now I kinda just want to wait for spot #4 :nerd:

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Post Post #1389  (isolation #89)  » Sun Feb 07, 2021 2:52 pm

In post 1387, DeasVail wrote:Bulge, the reason I asked you the question I did is because it kind of feels like you're holding yourself back from townreading me, with all these qualifiers of "DV is a very skilled player" etc. that stop something that would otherwise be town about me from being a reason to townread me. What is your basis for being particularly concerned about my ability as scum, compared to other people?

disagree. there have been more posts from you that pinged me in some way than from any of my townreads. there are 3 main reasons why you are not a scumread. the way you pressured RCE is one of them, and would be the most impressive part of your play if you do flip red. but a doomed slot is a doomed slot, and I think we both come from an era of mafia where there are no holds barred when it comes to bussing a partner replacing in like that (daytalk made all the scum on this site soft!). I also really liked the way you tried to squeeze content out of creature, but with him in my top scumreads I have to consider the possibility of his buddies coming in to bail him out of a content hole. finally, painting yourself into a corner saying you will likely end up townreading me upon review was a good look for you, but these are only words. So yea, there are things holding me back, but I don't know where you get the impression that I should have you higher on my list?

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Post Post #1390  (isolation #90)  » Sun Feb 07, 2021 2:53 pm

we also have polar opposite readslists so that is definitely not helping

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Post Post #1391  (isolation #91)  » Sun Feb 07, 2021 3:06 pm

In post 1064, DeasVail wrote:tbh my reason for suddenly townreading peta was because he wouldn't have unvoted RCE as scum

ehhhhhhh this is a really weird day opener for someone who just killed peta

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Post Post #1392  (isolation #92)  » Sun Feb 07, 2021 3:31 pm

In post 1128, xRECKONERx wrote:
In post 1121, DeasVail wrote:
In post 1101, Datisi wrote:what's the point of saying "oh i expect i'll be moving on"?? like it feels more ~for show~ rather than like. a towny thought process of solving another slot.

It was partly me thinking that I was probably wrong in my sudden paranoia of xofelf and partly me wanting to see how xofelf responded to that. I think it can be interesting seeing how people respond to different approaches to their slot. For example day 1 I gave petapan a lot of "shade" without ever really pushing him directly, while I was more aggressive at Adorable. I don't have a specific "I expect scum-X to respond a certain way to a certain approach" but I'm using this game as an opportunity to explore different approaches and see what works for me I guess.

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Hmmmm
You think the dueling wagons y/day were SvS?

I noted this as trying to cast doubt on that possibility, but looking again it's actually clearly the opposite, and reck is trying to open this dialogue after briefly hopping onto the Summer counterwagon yesterday, and has been lazily floating it as an alternative to ari all day now.

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Post Post #1395  (isolation #93)  » Sun Feb 07, 2021 4:31 pm

idk how you can call a nullread dissonance, but ok. Hectic has been pushing you, imo a little overzealously, so in my position to get to the truth it's more productive to push against. please don't call it "devil's advocate" but that's the spirit of it.

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Post Post #1396  (isolation #94)  » Sun Feb 07, 2021 4:58 pm

VOTE: Aristophanes

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Post Post #1439  (isolation #95)  » Mon Feb 08, 2021 9:14 pm

In post 1402, Datisi wrote:also i find it funny that the above post said the word "reread" 3 times

I also find it funny considering it has been 3 weeks since ari last talked about his read of me, and since then he has only given his word several times to isodive me. did that ever happen, ari?

why are you clinging to an ancient scumlean you never really even substantiated in the first place instead of just saying you have nothing and need to reset? how caught up are you, and when did that reading happen?

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Post Post #1440  (isolation #96)  » Mon Feb 08, 2021 9:14 pm

In post 1423, xRECKONERx wrote:
In post 1392, The Bulge wrote:
In post 1128, xRECKONERx wrote:Hmmmm
You think the dueling wagons y/day were SvS?

I noted this as trying to cast doubt on that possibility, but looking again it's actually clearly the opposite, and reck is trying to open this dialogue after briefly hopping onto the Summer counterwagon yesterday, and has been lazily floating it as an alternative to ari all day now.

i have no idea what you are trying to say about me here

at first i thought you were ridiculing the idea, but I realized you were in fact entertaining it

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Post Post #1442  (isolation #97)  » Mon Feb 08, 2021 9:15 pm

@Aristophanes

In post 1439, The Bulge wrote:
In post 1402, Datisi wrote:also i find it funny that the above post said the word "reread" 3 times

I also find it funny considering it has been 3 weeks since ari last talked about his read of me, and since then he has only given his word several times to isodive me. did that ever happen, ari?

why are you clinging to an ancient scumlean you never really even substantiated in the first place instead of just saying you have nothing and need to reset? how caught up are you, and when did that reading happen?

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Post Post #1444  (isolation #98)  » Mon Feb 08, 2021 10:51 pm

it doesn't do much for my read aside from reversing possible associatives between you/ydrasse

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Post Post #1445  (isolation #99)  » Mon Feb 08, 2021 10:54 pm

still vibing with hectic. we're thinking the same thing about summer's wagon reaction in particular

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Post Post #1446  (isolation #100)  » Mon Feb 08, 2021 10:55 pm

dv too. I like that he checked ari's ydrasse read because I was thinking the same thing when I looked into Ari's read of me

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Post Post #1447  (isolation #101)  » Mon Feb 08, 2021 10:58 pm

hmmmmm reactions to my readslist/notespost make me nervous I'll be the nk target.

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Post Post #1448  (isolation #102)  » Mon Feb 08, 2021 11:00 pm

the overall reaction, I should say

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Post Post #1461  (isolation #103)  » Tue Feb 09, 2021 9:45 pm

In post 1449, xRECKONERx wrote:what do you mean by 'overall reaction'

I originally said "reactions" which would imply that there are specific reactions that set me off, but it's more like the overall impact on the gamestate. and I guess lack of some reactions. you yourself said at one point that you were basically just waiting for my reevaluation post, but all I can gather from our interactions since then is that you looked at my readslist (and I know you looked in the spoiler, yet no direct responses). in fact none of my scumreads interacted more than a scratch with it, and those who did interact directly with me I very much expected and would absolutely have been pinged if they hadn't (datisi sort of has to say something about it regardless of alignment, ydrasse was present in the thread at the time, hectic imo has been casting a wider net than any other player this game). if my reads are trash then idk what to think of it all, but surely more people of either alignment would be disagreeing/picking them apart/pushing me. but if I'm right, then I'd still expect some kind of shoveback? or push? idk I put out more content in that post than I have all game, I'm sure it's not airtight. the fact that it kinda came and went without any of that feels weird to me, like nobody is going to bother and I'm just going to be picked off at night.

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Post Post #1462  (isolation #104)  » Tue Feb 09, 2021 9:45 pm

In post 1456, Augustus Caesar wrote:
In post 1447, The Bulge wrote:hmmmmm reactions to my readslist/notespost make me nervous I'll be the nk target.

This is so contrasting to my current read on the gamestate that I'm wondering if this is scum-indicative. Can you expand on this?

contrasting how?

pedit dv can answer as well

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Post Post #1463  (isolation #105)  » Tue Feb 09, 2021 9:46 pm

(please do)

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Post Post #1464  (isolation #106)  » Tue Feb 09, 2021 9:46 pm

In post 1451, Aristophanes wrote:Like I've read bits and I have a readslist I could post but some of the reads, like yours, have mostly stayed consistent because there simply hasn't been movement in what I've read that has given me reason to change them.

what makes you say my reads have stayed consistent? I had 2 scumreads Day 1. one flipped VT and the other is now a top townread of mine. I really don't like the inclusion of "like yours" here and I want an explanation.

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Post Post #1465  (isolation #107)  » Tue Feb 09, 2021 9:47 pm

In post 1459, Datisi wrote:does anyone wanna lolflashwagon and policy sirius

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Post Post #1467  (isolation #108)  » Tue Feb 09, 2021 9:52 pm

not unclear, just why?

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Post Post #1469  (isolation #109)  » Tue Feb 09, 2021 9:56 pm

what are your thoughts on the current wagons?

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Post Post #1477  (isolation #110)  » Tue Feb 09, 2021 10:01 pm

In post 1470, Aristophanes wrote:
In post 1464, The Bulge wrote:
In post 1451, Aristophanes wrote:Like I've read bits and I have a readslist I could post but some of the reads, like yours, have mostly stayed consistent because there simply hasn't been movement in what I've read that has given me reason to change them.

what makes you say my reads have stayed consistent? I had 2 scumreads Day 1. one flipped VT and the other is now a top townread of mine. I really don't like the inclusion of "like yours" here and I want an explanation.
No no, I mean my read on some slots, like yours, has stayed consistent lol

hahaha I was hoping you had an actual reason for that that I wasn't seeing. like come on man you're better than that lol. ok yes gotcha

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Post Post #1478  (isolation #111)  » Tue Feb 09, 2021 10:01 pm

In post 1472, Datisi wrote:
In post 1469, The Bulge wrote:what are your thoughts on the current wagons?

ari could use 3 more votes. deas could use 4 more.

yea, so, like

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Post Post #1480  (isolation #112)  » Tue Feb 09, 2021 10:05 pm

In post 1476, Aristophanes wrote:
In post 1475, Datisi wrote:most others could use however many, math is difficult. i just want something to happen and my standards for a Good Wagon are getting low.
Yeah, I get this.

I'll do Isis I guess and see what I can come up with to help us out here.

we can do literally anyone except Isis!!!!!!

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Post Post #1713  (isolation #113)  » Thu Feb 11, 2021 9:06 pm

lmao what the fuck

all the votes are bad except hectic's which is just wrong. I've got some time slotted for this tonight, hope some of you will be around.

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Post Post #1714  (isolation #114)  » Thu Feb 11, 2021 9:07 pm

or feel free to like drop in and leave a reason or like anything else associated with the vote, @literally everyone but hectic

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Post Post #1718  (isolation #115)  » Fri Feb 12, 2021 12:25 am

can someone take a vote off please? I doubt I will be able to interact in real-time with anyone I want to (hectic, dv come to mind atm, but I'm also anxiously waiting to hear from my wagoneers) until Saturday due to timzones and my work schedule.

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Post Post #1719  (isolation #116)  » Fri Feb 12, 2021 12:25 am

I am at E-1 because the vc is not clearly showing that

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Post Post #1720  (isolation #117)  » Fri Feb 12, 2021 12:25 am

In post 1564, DeasVail wrote:
In post 1499, Aristophanes wrote:
In post 1494, Ydrasse wrote:VOTE: aristophanes

skimmed for sirius in his iso after he said he was down to kill sirius which like, hypocrite here, but i just don't like ari saying it. LMAO. feels like sirius has always sort of been on the table for him which is... it feels like he's been building up to be able to vote this when it's the easiest thing that someone could do this game, wagon-wise.
What a weak as fuck vote.
I have sirius on the table because they're literally a nothing slot that doesn't look like it's going to change and I'd rather just nuke it now than have to deal with this in an ELo situation.

Also, "Ari's kinda always said they'd vote Sirius so I don't like them saying they'll do it if it is an option" is fucking dumb.

Sure, it would be easy. Maybe that's part of the appeal for a slot with as much engagement in the game as I have. Maybe I also want to nuke a slot that could totally be scumbut nodoby would ever know because they're purposefully useless?

This is dumb.

Ari this post seems very different from your other posts

I had this exact thought


In post 1583, Ydrasse wrote:
In post 1580, xRECKONERx wrote:
In post 1576, Ydrasse wrote:
In post 1575, xRECKONERx wrote:ari you have posted a LOT in 24 hours but almost none of it is reads or gamesolving or progression hm


what do you think about the things he has posted then?

...that none of it reads as gamesolving or progression

are you like, reading the fucking post you're quoting


“almost none of it”

yes i am reading your post

this interaction in particular moves reck up on my list a couple spots and brings ydrasse down a few. individually their recent posting has me leaning this way as well.


In post 1638, Datisi wrote:the only "towny" thing i recall from ydrasse in this entire game is her throwing a fit at eod1. that's it. do i think she's scummy? eh, not quite. but not sure anyone in this game fits "scummy" right now. i don't mind voting her. i do think her townread or whatever on me is like... not good.

this made me realize I have the same read of ydrasse.


In post 1647, Ydrasse wrote:can i not be scums eod push again lol

datisi called this as well, but this looks almost like a slip to me. I'm not talking tmi, I mean like how scum under pressure might be prone to throwing shade wherever it might stick, and ydrasse momentarily forgot what she was implying with peta already being flipped. I'm not satsified with the followup to this either.


In post 1664, Augustus Caesar wrote:Regarding Ydrasse:

read her town ISO here
and then compare that ISO to any of her scumgames

the reason I don't hold as much water in this reason is that it's actually the reason I used to townlock her in that very linked game, which means she's very aware of it.

But even still, excessive shitposting/flavour is town-indicatve OR NAI for Ydrasse, but not scum-indicative

pulling a page from reck's book here

I don't blanket-hate on meta to the extent he does, but meta townreads like this are indeed trash. I've said before, the more you talk about someone's meta, the less reliable a meta read becomes. the more meta-driven players there are in any given playerlist, the less reliable meta becomes. ESPECIALLY for townreads. especially for a slot that has been blatantly buddying you all game. are you not at all concerned you're being pocketed?

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Post Post #1721  (isolation #118)  » Fri Feb 12, 2021 12:26 am

In post 1640, Augustus Caesar wrote:Deas states RCE is looking a lot like scum straight after RCE posts for the first time. No one else has reacted to RCE's initial posting and Deas is the first to do so. Scum!him has no way of knowing how people will react to it, unless he didn't have any part in helping RCE in the PT, and just let him post a fairly weak catchup. I think scum!Deas doesn't just put forth this RCE-catchup-bad narrative right from the getgo, but would at least allow others to react to it first. Like, this was RCE's first posts, it's close to a clean slate on a lurker-slot rep-in, Deas doesn't need to do this to his partner as scum.

did you consider the angle of the cutthroat scumpartner ridding himself of a liability? my first impression was that scum would never treat a partner slot like that, especially with such force and aggressive timing. but that got me worrying it was for cred. this hypothetical reminds me of a marathon I played where everyone was separated into neighbourhoods who had 50/50 control over a vigshot. petapan was my hoodpartner and when n1 started, he immediately suggested we shoot pooky. I agreed, and he flipped scum. peta and I townread each other so outwardly that nobody could touch us. I was calling him conftown from hood interactions, who could disprove me? I believed it until literally his last post when he pulled a fake "not hammering in lylo so not scum" bit before engaming me. turns out his partner pooky had no idea what was coming. now I know that's a marathon, and this is team mafia, but the situations are more similar than they seem. would peta have shot his partner that early with no warning if it were a serious game of mafia, not to mention team mafia? probably not, because that would objectively be a dick move and a waste of your partner's time. but how much time did RCE sink into this game? would dv feel any remorse for cutting the cord the second he smells an inevitable sinking ship? the beeboy slot had already been a big pain in the ass for the scumteam all game. especially if dv was feeling at all paranoid about the replacement, I don't think it is out of the realm of possibility for that to have been a slightly trigger-happy but extremely high-reward bus.

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Post Post #1722  (isolation #119)  » Fri Feb 12, 2021 12:26 am

In post 1654, Augustus Caesar wrote:VOTE: The Bulge

my case is

the reaction to peta's prodding feels over the top and like The Bulge is trying to appear strong/looking for a fight

the case on Datisi also feels over the top for the reasons given - "incredibly scummy to me"

My one read that resembles a scumread is a toneread. these are dark days

here is a snapshot of peta's deathtunnel on me in Smoke Filled Antechamber. we were both town.

In post 3267, petapan wrote:
In post 3262, The Bulge wrote:
In post 3121, petapan wrote:
In post 3027, Nahdia wrote:
In post 2989, SirCakez wrote:Well for starters I'd argue that both only becoming active when all of the conftown came out is scum indicative in itself
Both have been essentially attacking and trying to discredit the other people in the not-conftown pool who suspect them when it should be pretty obvious to both of them why they are suspected
uh, why is that first thing scum indicative? all the conftown coming out narrowed the pool significantly, making it easier to get a footing in this game. if anything, i would say disappearing when all the conftown appear is scummier, since you would imagine scum could get discouraged when that happens.

what

no that's like the exact opposite of reality and should be especially clear from your POV

look at it this way: we are in a reality where, unless you or bell are scum, virtually the entire groupscum faction went largely under the radar on day 1 and faced no serious pressure. sure, the traitor died, but up until now, whoever it is has done a very good job of keeping out of the spotlight. they have been successfully flying under the radar. suddenly half the game is claiming masons and the pool of potential votes just got very, very narrow. whoever it is can no longer afford to simply hide away, they have to suddenly appear the most town, they have to show WIM and effort, a sudden burst is likely to get viewed favorably.

why didn't you just fucking vote me in this post lmao

blow me fuckboy


you can feel free to joint iso us, if you scroll back earlier you get the real meat of our debate when it's a little more civilized. this might be actually a useful or pertinent read for you if that's your thing. my point is there is a precedent for the tone I took against peta.

over the top? I had two points lol. but I already renounced that post and the read along with it, so have at it I guess.

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Post Post #1723  (isolation #120)  » Fri Feb 12, 2021 12:26 am

In post 1656, Datisi wrote:
In post 519, The Bulge wrote:
In post 466, beeboy wrote:Is anyone here is there something I should know before I read back?
My team has been yelling at me while I do other things and I am starting to feel bad.

this is not good

i can sorta see bulge scum i guess. this is quite literally his only mention of the rce slot while it was alive.

iirc I wasn't around maybe at all while rce was in the game? if I was I certainly wasn't active or fully caught up at the time. as for beeboy... like what do you want me to say? lol

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Post Post #1724  (isolation #121)  » Fri Feb 12, 2021 12:26 am

In post 1657, Augustus Caesar wrote:
In post 1389, The Bulge wrote:
In post 1387, DeasVail wrote:Bulge, the reason I asked you the question I did is because it kind of feels like you're holding yourself back from townreading me, with all these qualifiers of "DV is a very skilled player" etc. that stop something that would otherwise be town about me from being a reason to townread me. What is your basis for being particularly concerned about my ability as scum, compared to other people?

disagree. there have been more posts from you that pinged me in some way than from any of my townreads. there are 3 main reasons why you are not a scumread. the way you pressured RCE is one of them, and would be the most impressive part of your play if you do flip red. but a doomed slot is a doomed slot, and I think we both come from an era of mafia where there are no holds barred when it comes to bussing a partner replacing in like that (daytalk made all the scum on this site soft!). I also really liked the way you tried to squeeze content out of creature, but with him in my top scumreads I have to consider the possibility of his buddies coming in to bail him out of a content hole. finally, painting yourself into a corner saying you will likely end up townreading me upon review was a good look for you, but these are only words. So yea, there are things holding me back, but I don't know where you get the impression that I should have you higher on my list?

= I don't like these takes actually. the Deas/Creature partners scenario is so unlikely that it feels more like a filler thought process, rather than something that should be more than very negligible in Bulge's head

= bussing is one thing, but it's about the manner in which you bus and reasons given

= is it? why can't he just review you and then say he changed his mind or came to a different conclusion? town could easily think they'll do one thing after review but land on another. feels like another fabricated read. POSSIBLY

I cannot begin to describe to you how much I despise reads like your yellow one. "something that should be ____ in _____'s head..." is awful and very frustrating to be on the receiving end of.

I think I already talked about the green point some

sure, it looks good. doesn't have to be town, but I do think it's a town move. and then yea, see above, etc.

In post 1671, Augustus Caesar wrote:
In post 1440, The Bulge wrote:
In post 1423, xRECKONERx wrote:
In post 1392, The Bulge wrote:
In post 1128, xRECKONERx wrote:Hmmmm
You think the dueling wagons y/day were SvS?

I noted this as trying to cast doubt on that possibility, but looking again it's actually clearly the opposite, and reck is trying to open this dialogue after briefly hopping onto the Summer counterwagon yesterday, and has been lazily floating it as an alternative to ari all day now.

i have no idea what you are trying to say about me here

at first i thought you were ridiculing the idea, but I realized you were in fact entertaining it

How does Reck's post there appear like he's ridiculing it rather than opening up discussion about it? I don't understand how you came to the first conclusion before you realised

ridiculing is perhaps too strong a word, but my first impression was like "huh you really think the dueling wagons yesterday were SvS? seriously?", which obviously is not what it says, but was how I interpreted it in passing. yea ridicule kinda implies that he was shutting it down entirely which was never my impression

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Post Post #1725  (isolation #122)  » Fri Feb 12, 2021 12:27 am

In post 1691, Creature wrote:Damn, we won't be so good if we mislynch today.

elaborate

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Post Post #1727  (isolation #123)  » Fri Feb 12, 2021 12:30 am

ok I was gonna quickly reply to a few things I saw at the start but the more I read you're uh misrepping me in almost every single quote there, at least in the first two spoilers I've read so far. I have to run for now, but I'm definitely tackling this later.

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Post Post #1738  (isolation #124)  » Fri Feb 12, 2021 10:57 am

I'm a combined doctor/psychologist. Datisi has no ability to kill, or killed peta. hop the fuck off of this trash push and kill ari or creature

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Post Post #1739  (isolation #125)  » Fri Feb 12, 2021 10:58 am

love getting nightkilled before being useful

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Post Post #1741  (isolation #126)  » Fri Feb 12, 2021 11:00 am

here are my crumbs
In post 12, The Bulge wrote:
In post 8, Isis wrote:
  • xofelf (0)
  • DeasVail (0)
  • The Bulge (0)
  • Adorable (0)
  • petapan (0)

I feel disrespected! I'm hurt!

"feel" (psych) + "hurt" (doc), and I included two degrees (2 PhDs) of separation when I quoted the vc
In post 603, The Bulge wrote:anyway I nearly froze my ass off at work today. feeling both mentally and physically exhausted so we'll see if I get around to doing as much as I had hoped tonight.

here it is again. "nearly froze" (2 degrees Celsius), "both mentally and physically" etc

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Post Post #1742  (isolation #127)  » Fri Feb 12, 2021 11:01 am

I didnt flip my read on datisi because of results btw

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Post Post #1744  (isolation #128)  » Fri Feb 12, 2021 11:03 am

In post 10, petapan wrote:Image

VOTE: sirius

I thought peta faked a crumb here because of the scum informed goon. I have a theory this may have factored into why he was killed first, if scum thought this was the psych/doc crumb

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Post Post #1746  (isolation #129)  » Fri Feb 12, 2021 11:04 am

I'm still gonna respond to shit after work

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Post Post #1751  (isolation #130)  » Fri Feb 12, 2021 11:12 am

it was you or peta, I wanted to focus on the psych aspect of the role earlygame when its far more useful (especially where they know I exist and can evenly distribute who is performing the kill. that part of my role is useless after n3). I figured I could catch peta eventually with my far superior crumbs and shouldnt waste an investigation. I had already flipped my read on you but wanted to check my work, so to speak.

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Post Post #1753  (isolation #131)  » Fri Feb 12, 2021 11:14 am

do not end the day before I'm home.

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Post Post #1754  (isolation #132)  » Fri Feb 12, 2021 11:18 am

I'm going to respond to ari's posts from last night in detail because my work is essentially cut out for me. but while it's on my mind, how does he go from "sorry if I'm misrepresenting you, that's just what I'm interpreting", to reducing entire posts of mine down to mocking oneliners? how is an apology straight into mockery not agenda-driven??? and seriously ari finally does his big bulge read when I'm at E-1?????? as the counterwagon to his wagon????? and you're all not voting him yet??????????

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Post Post #1813  (isolation #133)  » Fri Feb 12, 2021 9:19 pm

In post 1757, Augustus Caesar wrote:
In post 1447, The Bulge wrote:hmmmmm reactions to my readslist/notespost make me nervous I'll be the nk target.

Why did you make this post, Bulge? You weren't afraid it would make you look like a PR?

I said it because it's how I felt, I gave my reasoning already. that thought didn't [consciously] have anything to do with being a pr, I didnt expect anyone to find my crumbs. I didn't stop myself from saying it because of wifom potential. but like, i said it because I was speaking my mind, not because I specifically wanted to throw scum off the scent with wifom, but that crossed my mind too when I typed it up.

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Post Post #1814  (isolation #134)  » Fri Feb 12, 2021 9:19 pm

In post 1758, Datisi wrote:bulge did you soft your n1 result anywhere?

I did not. I was worried about doing a readflip along with a soft, didnt want to be obvious, and I figured the readflip alone would be enough of a "crumb" (even though like I said it didn't have anything to do with the results)

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Post Post #1815  (isolation #135)  » Fri Feb 12, 2021 9:19 pm

In post 1766, Creature wrote:What do you all think about Sirius?

big tone townread from whichever posts I linked in my catchup. Hectic I believe highlighted some of sirius's posts recently which I had touched on as well, but that he probably explained better, cant be bothered to look rn

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Post Post #1816  (isolation #136)  » Fri Feb 12, 2021 9:19 pm

In post 1767, Adorable wrote:
In post 1744, The Bulge wrote:
In post 10, petapan wrote:Image

VOTE: sirius

I thought peta faked a crumb here because of the scum informed goon. I have a theory this may have factored into why he was killed first, if scum thought this was the psych/doc crumb


I see. So that's why you voted petapan on day 1 since you must have thought petapan was an informed scum who knew there was a psychologist when they posted get psyched.

UNVOTE:

I was scumreading his play and his interactions with me, but that could have been plagued by the bias of noticing what I thought was a fake crumb before I had even posted in the game.

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Post Post #1818  (isolation #137)  » Fri Feb 12, 2021 9:20 pm

i'll be Here later, in an hour or two

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Post Post #1820  (isolation #138)  » Fri Feb 12, 2021 9:21 pm

oh uhh someone said something about summer being my 5th highest townread but i mentioned her slipping and reck rising. I'll post a new one when I'm back

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Post Post #1821  (isolation #139)  » Fri Feb 12, 2021 9:21 pm

a new readslist, that is.

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Post Post #1829  (isolation #140)  » Fri Feb 12, 2021 11:39 pm

In post 1770, Aristophanes wrote:I might have been confbiased when I wrote my case but honestly as scum I'd have probably just LOLhammered there.

doubt

I saw both my reason for finding a lot of scummy points and my timing for making the posts both come into question here and well, for the former I really don't see how that would help me as scum. Make a big series of posts calling him scum just to have him flip town? Why!?
Timing was because of motivation and general busyness. I knew the deadline was approaching so I sat down and did what I had to do. I don't see why there would be an issue with that.

this is fine

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Post Post #1830  (isolation #141)  » Sat Feb 13, 2021 12:15 am

clipped the pointless parts, mostly ari "hating" this or that.

In post 1726, Aristophanes wrote:He's got a lot of posts that are townleany and a lot that are scumleany but overall I'm pretty fine with this wagon trajectory despite the votes being, uh, well like 80% naked lol.

what about the trajectory do you like? hectic was asking for votes, and everyone who complied said nothing. it all happened in 3 hours, all while I was at work. what makes the wagon notably good enough to comment like this?

This is the most pointless question.
Like if the progression had been "I think changing your vote in RVS is scummy" or anything like that, fine. But what was the literal point to any of this!?!?
It's just busywork and the fact that Bulge actually harped on Sirius to answer was bonkers.

I mean that progression is pretty obviously implied lol. his answer was fine, and it was nothing big in the first place, just weird.

The original post you wrote made no direction towards Datisi so I don't see how you changed this from "I disagree with the read despite thinking Reck and Hectic are being performative" to "I meant that Datisi's reads felt forced" when it's literally not what you said lol. Also dislike the null on Reck here but meh.

I (and iirc at least two other people) already explained this. I never said Reck and Hectic are being performative. I said Datisi's posts were unnecessary and performative. I hate the "literally you said this lol" tone here with a fiery passion, and frankly no longer give a fuck about what you said re:the timing of this post.

I actually quoted this because I liked it and Bulge addressing this head on felt good but as I reread it looks like a way to incite activity without actually doing anything because it's pretty clear Datisi meant the t/t reads here. I don't see how you missed that as someone literally in the conversation.


Datisi clearly stopped the convo here so I don't see why you were chasing it. Also asking what they meant by "bothering"? Like that feels extremely obvious to me in its context. This is what I mean by like, forced easy content. Looks good and busy but what did any of it accomplish?

surely you've played enough mafia to know you don't only prod and ask questions when you can't understand what someone is saying. come on.

In post 249, The Bulge wrote:I agree re: 0-1 scum in dv/peta
You never circled back to this. When did it change?

uh right back at you I guess, when did it change??

In post 651, The Bulge wrote:
In post 584, Adorable wrote:Sirius said innocent boy likes peta +town and is that the only town read innocent has? I have 6 players I am town reading and petapan is one of those players I'm still trying to figure out their alignment.

someone on the outside looking into this game is probably not making a huge deal about reading thoroughly/keeping their thoughts in order.
I hate this blatant disregard of team input. Huge scumpoints for the discredit here.

did you even read this? Adorable was questioning why iv only had one town read, comparing it to her 6 townreads, and I chimed in to explain that's not a fair comparison since iv isn't actually a player in this game. do you disagree? do you think teammates should be held to the same standards of content and attention as the actual players in their own respective games?

In post 518, The Bulge wrote:
In post 450, xRECKONERx wrote:can you reconcile these two posts? In one, you say you've been paranoid of people defending you bc they might be scum. In the other, you say someone defended you so they must be town for defending you because scum would push you.

this is a contradiction. again.

she said her teammates advised her to be wary of being pocketed and that she disagreed. not a contradiction.
Following it up by acknowledging the team's points was also really weird. I just don't like the juxtaposition of these two posts at all.

this is an absolute non-point. what the hell? this is only trying to throw as much shit at me in this post as possible. what is scummy about this? are you implying an associative tell between me and adorable?

This reaction was waaaaaaaay over the top.

I already explained why I jumped the gun on the aggressive tone with peta. we don't have any bad blood, I do really enjoy playing with the guy, but it seems we're bound to beef when we meet. I also thought his push on me felt completely different from how he pushed me in SFA, which felt honest and vanity-driven.

Ooo and a pre-backpedal to your earlier posts. And (I believe via what I assume to be a day split but am not checking) a way to change your petapan pushes without taking any accountability once they flip. Wonderful!

this doesn't make any sense if I killed peta

Okay Imma be honest, I like that they took notes. Though with this event that could be a team effort and I'm not really sure that it's towny because of that. But I like it anyway.

I can assure you that nobody on my team is following each others' games lol

Was this really Mandela Effected!? You told us it was going to be big. You told us to hang tight. You told us it would take work. This is all like BIG HYPE stuff! I got really excited about the idea when I read this little post! So 1. the expectations were not unfair. Your framing of it as our problem feels like a way to blame us for the flop of a case that ended up being when it was posted. That's probably a mean way of me to say it but I can't think of another way to and this has been a lot of words all at once so I apologize for that.

you know what? I get it now. thank you. I will concede that I did amp it up in that post more than I've been saying I did.

Post I'm not linking because nestled spoilers either break the spoilers or break the site so Imma stay away.
I like that you followed through. That's huge! I appreciate it so much and think it's a thing you should do in your future games!
I'm not a fan of the commentary or the conclusions, but it's too much to get into directly at this point. The reactions feel like a surface engagement with the posts and sometimes are merely descriptions thereof. It's good effort and I love the colours and honestly the effort in this post is my best reason to townread you right now. Also blue was a nice choice for me :)

this was quite literally a copy+paste of my .txt with colours and links thrown in and PR-incriminating notes edited out. there was never an attempt to engage, so 'mere descriptions' is a fair assessment of some parts, as was intended.

I don't like that you chose to ignore the rawest portion of my iso simply due to formatting, it makes this whole investigation just that much harder to believe as genuine.

In post 1439, The Bulge wrote:
In post 1402, Datisi wrote:also i find it funny that the above post said the word "reread" 3 times

I also find it funny considering it has been 3 weeks since ari last talked about his read of me, and since then he has only given his word several times to isodive me. did that ever happen, ari?

why are you clinging to an ancient scumlean you never really even substantiated in the first place instead of just saying you have nothing and need to reset? how caught up are you, and when did that reading happen?
The Isodive finally happened. Asking me if it happened when it clearly hadn't was meh. Very rhetorical. Do you know the history behind Rhetorical argumentation and questioning? It's not flattering.

"Reread" implies you have already done it once. Try again.

I think the wagon sucks because it's basically naked votes but I am also not against it at all.

whoa whoa, rewind to the first couple lines of this post and read this again. what are your thoughts on my wagon comp? go into as much detail as you can.


I suppose this is intent, but I should do that in a different post entirely and would rather wait for you to at least get a chance to read all of this before we think about doing anything here so I guess it's not really intent lol

were you trying to scare a claim out of me? lol

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Post Post #1831  (isolation #142)  » Sat Feb 13, 2021 12:16 am

In post 1726, Aristophanes wrote:The original post you wrote made no direction towards Datisi

what does this mean??

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Post Post #1832  (isolation #143)  » Sat Feb 13, 2021 12:25 am

oh right updated stack


datisi
sirius
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xofelf
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Post Post #1833  (isolation #144)  » Sat Feb 13, 2021 12:25 am

hectic

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Post Post #1834  (isolation #145)  » Sat Feb 13, 2021 12:27 am

(hectic is in reads jail because that push was so fucking weak and I'm pissed that I'm dead for it.)

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Post Post #1835  (isolation #146)  » Sat Feb 13, 2021 12:29 am

and the hop off ari was meh too . I'm wondering if our game's stagnance is being toyed with.

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Post Post #1836  (isolation #147)  » Sat Feb 13, 2021 12:29 am

where are xof and reck?

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Post Post #1892  (isolation #148)  » Sat Feb 13, 2021 5:29 pm

In post 1837, Augustus Caesar wrote:eh, sorry

aware the push wasn't strong but there was literally nowhere else I could find to go and don't want to just launch someone random

literally nowhere else? what happened to your creature vote in the first place? when did you flip on deas?

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Post Post #1893  (isolation #149)  » Sat Feb 13, 2021 5:29 pm

In post 1839, Adorable wrote:This question is for both Bulge and Hectic since Bulge has Creature low on the their readlist and Hectic is voting Creature.

After RCEnigma claimed, the votes got switched to Ydrasse and I saw Creature did not believe RCEnigma's claim and he voted RCEnigma and RCEnigma was the counter wagon to Ydrasse. Does scum actually vote their scum buddy after the fake claim while other players vote another wagon? I wasn't expecting scum to do that and that's what made me lean town on Creature.

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Post Post #1894  (isolation #150)  » Sat Feb 13, 2021 5:30 pm

I'd be fine with dv or ari. I could go creature as well but I think dv is the better flip. gotta run for now but I'll be around to move my vote around as needed and to reply to the last couple pages

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Post Post #1895  (isolation #151)  » Sat Feb 13, 2021 5:32 pm

tbh

VOTE: deas

for now. let's make sure the game doesnt take its usual evening nosedive in activity and stall to a nolim.

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Post Post #1900  (isolation #152)  » Sat Feb 13, 2021 5:34 pm

if ari wagon becomes viable I'm there. that's where my heart is.

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Post Post #1902  (isolation #153)  » Sat Feb 13, 2021 5:42 pm

it's about momentum

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Post Post #1906  (isolation #154)  » Sat Feb 13, 2021 5:44 pm

didn't you want me to be the hammer anyway? what gives

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Post Post #2043  (isolation #155)  » Sun Feb 14, 2021 12:10 am

In post 2010, DeasVail wrote:Okay I know that eliminating me at this point seems like a foregone conclusion for some but I will prove myself as town somehow in the coming days. I don’t know how that’ll be but I want to be a slot that is widely townread and an easy exclusion from poe. Not whatever this is.

Hectic I think the main difference between my scum and towngames is that scum is more of a PERFORMANCE for me. Some scum games I don’t have much motivation and struggle with activity (which I also do as town sometimes) but in a game like this I would be trying to BLEED TOWN in every post I make.

I don’t know if I have a scumrange really because my town game is generally more understated and I can come up with content pretty easily as scum imo

(I think from an outside perspective someone might have an idea of my scumrange but it’s honestly been so long since I’ve played a proper game as scum)

what about bussing rce? can you talk about where that fits into your scumrange

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Post Post #2044  (isolation #156)  » Sun Feb 14, 2021 12:11 am

sirius is fine but I want to go out elimming scum

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Post Post #2045  (isolation #157)  » Sun Feb 14, 2021 12:12 am

ftr I do think it's notable that you didn't jump to that example right away when hectic asked

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Post Post #2046  (isolation #158)  » Sun Feb 14, 2021 12:12 am

above is @dv relating to 2043

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Post Post #2047  (isolation #159)  » Sun Feb 14, 2021 12:15 am

if the game comes down to digging up deepwolves, look at hectic. if I had more motivation to put in work and less premonition of my imminent death, I'd be looking into a hectic/creature back pocket apocalypse solve.

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Post Post #2048  (isolation #160)  » Sun Feb 14, 2021 12:17 am

I'll support ari/deas/creature/ydrasse///sirius with my vote at this point, in that order of preference.

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Post Post #2053  (isolation #161)  » Sun Feb 14, 2021 12:21 am

In post 2048, The Bulge wrote:ari/deas/creature/ydrasse///sirius

that's

most likely scum/informative flip/widenull and likely scum/informative flip///day 2 compromise

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Post Post #2054  (isolation #162)  » Sun Feb 14, 2021 12:21 am

obviously I am also not townreading those informative flips

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Post Post #2057  (isolation #163)  » Sun Feb 14, 2021 12:24 am

no no no I don't plan on doing any of the work parsing that information, y'all already killed me.

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Post Post #2060  (isolation #164)  » Sun Feb 14, 2021 12:25 am

I'm here but like ugh

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Post Post #2062  (isolation #165)  » Sun Feb 14, 2021 12:27 am

i mean regardless of alignment, barring PR, sirius lives until lylo if he doesn't go right now.

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Post Post #2064  (isolation #166)  » Sun Feb 14, 2021 12:28 am

I've said my piece but we should get a claim.

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Post Post #2136  (isolation #167)  » Tue Feb 16, 2021 3:15 am

HAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHHAHHAHHSHDAHSDHASHDHAHDASHDHASH HOLY FUCK I AM SO READY FOR THIS

WHO's IT GONNA BE??

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Post Post #2137  (isolation #168)  » Tue Feb 16, 2021 3:15 am

IF YOU ARE TOWN AND YOU PUSH ME RIGHT NOW YOU ARE LITERALLY THROWING

let em come out of the shadows

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Post Post #2139  (isolation #169)  » Tue Feb 16, 2021 3:16 am

the fucking adrenaline rush i've been feeling since the flip posyted my fucking word have i been violently shaking

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Post Post #2141  (isolation #170)  » Tue Feb 16, 2021 3:17 am

was getting to that. negative on augustus

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Post Post #2143  (isolation #171)  » Tue Feb 16, 2021 3:20 am

I didn't want to live with paranoia until endgame, or rather I'd love to have gotten a guilty to make following along more interesting, but HERE WE ARE BABY

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Post Post #2144  (isolation #172)  » Tue Feb 16, 2021 3:20 am

sorry im trying to explain to my girlfriend why my arms wont stop trembling

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Post Post #2145  (isolation #173)  » Tue Feb 16, 2021 3:23 am

ok im gonna watch an episode of bob's burgers and when I come back the designated scumfuck better have made their first move. once again I cannot stress enough how much of a god fucking awful town player you are if you think it is a good idea to vouch for my elimination right now.

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Post Post #2153  (isolation #174)  » Tue Feb 16, 2021 4:10 am

I get a negative if they've already killed, including kills that happen the same night as my investigation.

i'm about to head to bed but I am very excited to see what's in store for today. see yall after work tomorrow. to my secret admirer, I eagerly await our first dance.

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Post Post #2203  (isolation #175)  » Tue Feb 16, 2021 7:36 pm

who all is in favour of having me leashed? I'll share my thoughts after I get some responses.

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Post Post #2209  (isolation #176)  » Wed Feb 17, 2021 6:18 pm

thanks yall. Adorable? Creature? Hectic?

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Post Post #2220  (isolation #177)  » Wed Feb 17, 2021 8:14 pm

what a day eh

In post 2177, Augustus Caesar wrote:Also, my floating theory for why Datisi is dead and The Bulge isn't, is because scum rolecopped Datisi night 1, and so killed him night 2 over the doc claim. The fact everyone believed The Bulge's claim lends to this, since normally it'd be far more optimal to just kill the claimed doc everyone trusts rather try and snipe for another PR. I think it's far more likely they knew was a mason from a night 1 check.

I feel like design-wise, the informed goon and a rolecop accomplish the same thing. sure they work in tandem but I feel like they are both a solution to the same problem just at different power levels. it's like training wheels on a tricycle. would they both be shoehorned into the same 3-person team? I doubt it, but if anyone knows of site meta precedence or anything feel free to prove me wrong.

I have a couple theories. my first is a little egocentric, but basically in 2170 as town loyal jailkeeper I overthought things, was way too paranoid in my play (I fervently pushed for the elim of a claimed d4 ic on d3 who turned out not to be bullshitting and then still didn't protect him n4, among other things) and my night action choices, and ended up with 1) a false inno on a traitor and 2) a false guilty on town-Shea due to wagonomics not taking the possibility of a traitor into account. yea that game was a mess. anyway I wonder if scum did their research and actually thinks I'm more of a liability than an asset to town at this point lmao.

my psych is useless now, but obviously having a doc alive is not ideal for scum...unless they have a strongman or roleblocker. roleblocker honestly feels a little heavy if it hits me on one of the first nights when my psych has a chance at working, and with masons and idk something else probably? idk, I feel better about there being a strongman. if that's the case, I wonder if they have the strongman performing all kills now that my psych is burnt out (keep in mind too they know if there is another tracking-type role they need to worry about or not) and are going to keep me alive for another night for the double-whammy "why is bulge still alive?" + "why did you let X die?" push. leashing my protection would obviously be playing right into this frame, which is why besides all the other reasons you all know it's terrible, I especially hate Creature's earlier suggestion of directing my action.

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Post Post #2221  (isolation #178)  » Thu Feb 18, 2021 12:01 am

we're solving this game today people, we're in a fantastic position for it. keep an eye out for thread momentum crashers. I need to read read read this weekend but I'm gonna try to be here as often as I can promoting workflow but at this pace apathy will be our undoing almost certainly

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Post Post #2251  (isolation #179)  » Thu Feb 18, 2021 12:17 pm

Reck's town stock is soaring. Hectic I don't think anything is being forced your way. I do like the idea of Creature + someone else, but I disagree with townbinning xof and ydrasse (although I doubt I can sway you on that one).

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Post Post #2252  (isolation #180)  » Thu Feb 18, 2021 12:18 pm

In post 2233, Augustus Caesar wrote:Oh, my insane tinfoil read:

In post 721, RCEnigma wrote:Probably, through 7 pages my shortlist poe is datisi/Deasveil/Reck

RCE's been around for a while, and is aware of the "rule of three" - where if a scum player states a scumpool of three players, they usually have exactly 1 scum. He wouldn't make a novice mistake like that for TEAM MAFIA now, would he??!"??R£?$Geg

The tinfoil theory is that all 3 of those players are town.

this seems reasonable actually

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Post Post #2391  (isolation #181)  » Mon Feb 22, 2021 2:34 am

holy shit sorry this weekend was nutso busy. I need to get in the habit of calling v/la. I'm here tomorrow, bed now.

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Post Post #2496  (isolation #182)  » Tue Feb 23, 2021 8:30 pm

I'm pretty good at hunting partners.

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Post Post #2497  (isolation #183)  » Tue Feb 23, 2021 8:36 pm

Haven't read everything but I'll be on later tonight. sorry for the disappearance, the last few days were unexpectedly very busy and I didn't prioritize this. pretty unfortunate timing given my gusto on daystart but tbh i hate playing conftown and I was really hoping someone would be pushing me today lol. not throwing in the towel because I dont want this to be a repeat of Illicit Substances' endphases for me, but like, yea, still here, still wanna win, love that we're doing Creature, pce for now

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Post Post #2498  (isolation #184)  » Tue Feb 23, 2021 11:14 pm

Ydrasse!scum feels like too much of a stretch at this point idk

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Post Post #2499  (isolation #185)  » Tue Feb 23, 2021 11:16 pm

maybe I'll read that ari isodive some day

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Post Post #2500  (isolation #186)  » Tue Feb 23, 2021 11:17 pm

I can't recall a single thing this game that has made me think xofelf is town.

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Post Post #2502  (isolation #187)  » Tue Feb 23, 2021 11:19 pm

for a sec I thought you were doing the selfhydra thing again

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Post Post #2504  (isolation #188)  » Tue Feb 23, 2021 11:20 pm

have you done team mafia before? how happy are you to be here? how much do you care about this game compared to most?

pedit - i like this avi, very crisp

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Post Post #2506  (isolation #189)  » Tue Feb 23, 2021 11:36 pm

In post 2500, The Bulge wrote:I can't recall a single thing this game that has made me think xofelf is town.

and none of the towncases are moving me in the slightest

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Post Post #2507  (isolation #190)  » Tue Feb 23, 2021 11:37 pm

In post 2368, xRECKONERx wrote:
In post 2366, Aristophanes wrote:K I'm doing the writeups now sorry guys.

I saw this tho so Imma help Hoctac out:
In post 2357, Augustus Caesar wrote:lol what, Reck hasn't been scum in 4 years
He was scum in MafiaSunny

lol holy shit I already forgot about this

God I got robbed by luckshit night actions

lol, reck was also scum in the geriatric game ari hosted last summer.

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Post Post #2508  (isolation #191)  » Tue Feb 23, 2021 11:38 pm

with dastisti

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Post Post #2509  (isolation #192)  » Tue Feb 23, 2021 11:41 pm

In post 2370, Augustus Caesar wrote:The town points were minor compared to the scummy stuff I found. I'll summarise why I think he's scum for you, Reck:

-Felt like he was faking analysis, for example, why he was talking about Datisi/peta having partnery stuff based on 4th vote rvs memes
-His reaction to Ydrasse when she voted him felt over the top and out of character for him
-The times he speaks about the beeboy slot sounds partnery <- this is the biggest reason by far
-Him wanting to back out of a 1v1 with you apparently, but that clearly not being his true intention in that post

big big big agree on all fronts especially the beeboy partner stuff. although his posting around the last time he was at e-1 was alright

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Post Post #2510  (isolation #193)  » Tue Feb 23, 2021 11:41 pm

In post 2339, xRECKONERx wrote:D&D ran long today, sorry -- I will have time tomorrow to review Hectic's posts on Ari. And everything else.
Also Ari please answer my last question if you haven't yet

In post 2340, Aristophanes wrote:
In post 2314, xRECKONERx wrote:
In post 2302, Aristophanes wrote:I'm honestly doubting my Reck read

which Reck read is that
The scumread I keep going back to. Iunno. I'm conflicted on you as noted in my readslist but team says town and thus I guess you're town.

I have posts from them now and will get them here but apparently I have a surprise dnd sesh myself so it may be tomorrow now

In post 2371, Augustus Caesar wrote:Oh, and:

-Bad faith scumcase on The Bulge

this too

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Post Post #2511  (isolation #194)  » Tue Feb 23, 2021 11:43 pm

those quotes are along for the ride I guess

I tagged them because I was also playing d&d saturday! I rolled a bugbear paly that's pretty dope and reliable so far.

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Post Post #2512  (isolation #195)  » Wed Feb 24, 2021 12:00 am

Jingle, I didn't target Datisi last night because at the time I submitted my action I didn't realize the psych was already completely useless, for some reason I was thinking that there was a single scenario where I could still get a guilty, and I thought the likelihood of the kill not hitting me was low enough to not really care about who I was protecting. obviously a regrettable choice, yes, though if I didn't think I was going to be the kill, hectic would probably have been an ok target all the same.

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Post Post #2513  (isolation #196)  » Wed Feb 24, 2021 12:05 am

In post 2379, Creature wrote:I only remember Adorable, Aristophanes and I mentionining our teammate's reads.

I had a line in my rainbownotespost [that I'm pretty certain I didn't cut before posting??] listing everyone in order who had shared teamthoughts, and theorized that 1-2 of them are scum, the later the more likely. I seriously doubt any scum team outside of the Newbie queue would allow themselves to be singled out so easily.

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Post Post #2514  (isolation #197)  » Wed Feb 24, 2021 12:07 am

Oh I guess I took out the list and only kept the theory. meh, that's something to look at with another scumflip on the table.

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Post Post #2515  (isolation #198)  » Wed Feb 24, 2021 12:09 am

In post 2385, xRECKONERx wrote:Ari's 2374 is the most town looking thing he's posted and it's giving me pause.

why? I agree it looks good but, like, to me that says absolutely zero about his alignment in team mafia.

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Post Post #2516  (isolation #199)  » Wed Feb 24, 2021 12:11 am

is it just me, or is Adorable seeming slightly defensive here and there lately? has she been like that all game?

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