TM 2021: A normal roguelike

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Also Adorable's vote on RCE D1 looks the most likely a bus considering it was done after the selfvote and never unvoted.

Ah yikes, is this a townslip

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There's an error in your VC in 455. beeboy's shown as self-voting when he never did.

Creature is assuming beeboy's self-voting rather than realising there's an error in the VC... I think scum would be more conscious of what their buddy is doing. Then again, beeboy only had two posts at the time. Creature, were you not ISOing him and seeing his content given he was the majority wagon for most of the day? You didn't notice the lack of a self-vote, but let it influence your reads? I mean that in this post, you're clearly looking back over votes, like Puff's to make sense of the wagon/who was bussing, but didn't notice beeboy never voted for anyone in the two posts he made... hm

I don't see it, all I get from this is that he's grasping at straws. I don't think them being partners would affect the likelihood of creature remembering if the self-vote actually happened if all he's doing is looking at VCs trying to find a townslot that might stick as an alt wagon. this might actually support a creature/ari world which is exciting

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wait creature suggested massclaim at E-2[/1?] and isn't dead yet? lmao

this is like, scum death throes 101, no? with a hidden mason in play??

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not even checking votes rn idc

VOTE: Creature

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this might actually support a creature/ari world which is exciting

they've both pivoted this phase pretty dramatically. Ari going all-in in his Team PT, and now a self-sacrificial gambit plus smooth-talking his loudest and most consistent adversary, while Creature searches for another possible out and tries to instigate a massclaim. if this is the team, they've been feeling the heat for a long fucking time now, and this all does look like a last-ditch effort to salvage their chances at winning.

ehhh although ari calling out creature for piggybacking in 2450 probably nixes that possibility. hm hm hm hm hmm

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I don't think them being partners would affect the likelihood of creature remembering if the self-vote actually happened

ok, I see this was dgb, not creature

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Tgough, just realised beeboy was my error. I should've used RCE instead.

lol ok nvm

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adorable
reck
ydrasse

augustus
deasvail

aristophanes

xofelf
creature

??

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DGB had Adorable + xofelf with Reck as alternative.

saving this for ro3 if we get a red flip

ok im super high and leaving now sorry for the vomit

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Creature is probably at E-1?

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hm

I'm pretty sure I found the right target (for clarity, Hectic was not my target, so we don't know if they've used a strongman/rb), and I just checked and the wiki does say a masonry legal under Normal guidelines requires at least 2 members [so we can rule out the possibility of single mason+finder/mailman combo]. I didnt bother with a full reread last night but that's where I'm gonna start today. at least Hectic's flip erases a huge amount of paranoia for me lol. that should clear things up in my head a bit. double psychs is interesting, and also hilarious that peta could have actually crumbed in his first post if the rand happened differently and I would have been locked in on the other tpr.

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I mean I see why we'd want to mass claim today over yesterday, with a PR dead and it being unlikely we accidentally force another to reveal since it's probably just me and the mason at this point. but why today over tomorrow? massclaiming today tells scum exactly who to kill (me, because they know who I'll protect) whereas withholding that information allows for more possible outcomes, maybe to our benefit.

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Also should we massclaim y/n?

I was discussing this with the team when the day started and we decided that it's a necessity at this point.

so yes.

can you go into more detail here? why is it a necessity? who was saying what?

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I'm advocating to not massclaim today, to be clear.

obviously the longer I'm alive the less I can blame someone for being suspicious of my claim. I get it. but why go with such a bizarre ass claim that looks so unlikely next to that flip? actually, forget how mine and hectic's roles look next to each other, where do I even come up with that shit??? You know from my crumbs that my claim is either legit, or a fakeclaim planned since pre-game. please explain to me what kind of galaxy brain plotting it would take to come up with such a claim, and where the hell I'm going with it.

nothing in particular makes me think that's the setup, but it doesn't sound unreasonable, does it?

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DV what do you think of Ari promising to ISO me all game and then finally dropping a massive biased scumcase on me when I was at E-1? 1726 for reference

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Reckoner
DV
Ydrasse/The Bulge
Aristophanes

how the hell am I so low??????

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yea this'll get a solid evening of attention from me tonight or tomorrow. in the mean time, can someone explain why xofelf is town in as much detail as possible? like give me the entire case. It is insane to me that anyone is townreading them, and a lot of those reads seem very strong, and I just don't see it at all.

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I did a quick ctrl+f of xof in ari's iso and hm

he mentions them in passing or like in relation to other players' reads quite a lot, but very rarely as the subject of discussion. the few interactions they have with each other are awkward. Jingle gave xof a very sure-sounding townread without explaining at all, and Dann didn't mention xof. ari hasn't made his opinion of xof's slot known this day phase yet.

I know I'm looking at a pre-flip but I think it's fine at this stage to start looking for solves that way. also im just lying in bed rn on my phone and haven't put any effort into this theory aside from skimming the ctrl+f results, but it's something I want to pin up for later.

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ok actually I'm seeing xof posts addressed to/about ari that seem unpartnery.

but I don't see what your saying wrt RCE? xof engaged him calmly and unaggressively, didn't put any pressure on him, and then hammered, saying they didnt believe the claim. casting doubt on the claim is obv not something a buddy wants to do here, but when it's in the same post as the hammer, it doesn't matter.

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thanks

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hm I do see what you mean about 829. the first paragraph almost feels like tmi, but obv not in a scummy way with rce's flip, like accidental town tmi from leaning too hard on a bias jafeel

that hammer is not great, tho

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if xofelf rolled scum in team mafia into this playerlist, who would they fear the most?

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what I'm getting at is you could have been specifically targetted for a pocket. I don't really buy the mindmelding/whiteknighting points personally

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huh I had it down to either reck or xof, and I went with my stronger townread. oh well.

so I guess that massclaim happened huh

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oh wait ydrasse still

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cool and 2 conftowns

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I'm glad everyone else thought it was reck as well haha whew

but yea I'm definitely willing to reconsider my reck townread. I was suspicious of his early play and I haven't really thoroughly read through it now with context of the rest of the game. plus xoftown narrows my PoE significantly enough that I'm fine reopening other avenues. that's probably the best slot to have claimed mason tbh, I would have probably been stuck on them for a while today if not.

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sorry I kept prioritizing other stuff these last few nights, conftown is lame etc etc.

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sorry I kept prioritizing other stuff these last few nights, conftown is lame etc etc.

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I'm wondering if I should bother finishing my readthrough or if I should just focus potential pairings in iso and try to eliminate some possibilities.

orrrr I just go with my gut and say we elim Ari/Ydrasse/DV any order and win the game?

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ugh i hate this

alright today after work. sorry I've all but forgotten about this all week. I think at this point im almost definitely not going to finish reading, but I need to figure out where I want to go so this game stops being a big foggy mess to think about.

reck what are your current thoughts on the whole "yeet ari before xylo" thing from the other day?

ari, I'd like to hear why you think Ari/Ydrasse is an impossible team fmpov? is it just the events of this day phase?

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i'm saying that ari already knows what i am going to claim and jumped the gun assuming it bc in his head he already knows me being vt as true, and was projecting that onto everyone else; it's not desperate bc like, in what world do i jump to that of all things instead of just... you know... pointing out the stuff from ari i've already done, on top of the fact that he outted the mason, on top of the fact he's lining up his solve now btwn me and adorable which like, wow, i get flipped today, he was wrong, and then tomorrow bulge dies and

he gives it another go on adorable and then the game's over

i have not once crumbed in this setup nor would i ever want to given that scum knows exactly what's going on

is this....................tmi?

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ari, I'd like to hear why you think Ari/Ydrasse is an impossible team fmpov? is it just the events of this day phase?

are you asking ari why he's not scum with ydrasse or is this a typo

from my point of view. in 2739 he says: "I don't think Ari/Ydrasse would be viable in any context". I want him to go into specific detail about why that is.

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ugh i hate this

alright today after work. sorry I've all but forgotten about this all week. I think at this point im almost definitely not going to finish reading, but I need to figure out where I want to go so this game stops being a big foggy mess to think about.

reck what are your current thoughts on the whole "yeet ari before xylo" thing from the other day?

ari, I'd like to hear why you think Ari/Ydrasse is an impossible team fmpov? is it just the events of this day phase?

Also like if the claims are true then you're just dead tonight right? Which leaves town without an active town leader

Fucking hell I am so scared this is going to go off the rails

yes that is a big reason why I'm finding it so hard to commit any brainpower to this lol. the same thing happened when I was conftown at the end of illicit substances and kept thinking I was gonna be the NK so I was putting off any serious catchup or solving, except the difference is ghosting for an evening in that game meant missing 100 pages of new posts. I know it's Team Mafia and I should be extra motivated, I know my role puts me in a town leader position, but it's... not my forte, unfortunately.

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I should stop saying stuff like that I guess if I want to stop being left alive well past my attention span expires in games

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DV is no longer in my PoE for today btw

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hmmm good question, I think a couple townie sounding posts must have gotten to me earlier this evening, or my train of thought slipped the tracks at some point, because looking back now on the last 8 pages I read before posting earlier, I don't know what to tell you lol. DV's energy around Ari this phase reads to me like town with a confident townread, but I can't find whatever it is that prompted me to remove him from my PoE. I don't think he's scum with Ari, though, with the way they ran the massclaim. I didn't make it clear before but I'm down for an Ydrasse elim, and I haven't done any recent ISOdives or anything but from the events of toDay and what I can remember of earlier in the game, DV/Ydrasse doesn't sound all that improbable.

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cool cool cool

pleasure playing with y'all

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yea I'm still comfortable with reck and adorable town. yall have another scumflip to work with so I have faith we pull this win off.

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good night!

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ftr I do not think the 1v1 clears ari, especially not with that self hammer

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ari, I'd like to hear why you think Ari/Ydrasse is an impossible team fmpov? is it just the events of this day phase?

are you asking ari why he's not scum with ydrasse or is this a typo

from my point of view. in 2739 he says: "I don't think Ari/Ydrasse would be viable in any context". I want him to go into specific detail about why that is.