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Post Post #11 (isolation #0) » Fri Jan 15, 2021 3:08 pm

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Ooo a wagon already?
I'm in!

VOTE: Sirius
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Post Post #15 (isolation #1) » Fri Jan 15, 2021 4:43 pm

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Seems legit, definitely the biggest scumtell of them all!

I mean, them not being bolded fully is basically Isis telling us they are scum, right?
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Post Post #19 (isolation #2) » Fri Jan 15, 2021 4:46 pm

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I read that "I am high like that" and it was extremely on brand haha
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Post Post #20 (isolation #3) » Fri Jan 15, 2021 4:46 pm

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In post 18, Creature wrote:Wished I could wait for Monday
Just V/LA :)
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In post 18, Creature wrote:Wished I could wait for Monday
Just V/LA :)
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Post Post #23 (isolation #5) » Fri Jan 15, 2021 4:47 pm

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Oops, the coveted first doublepost of the game!
Creature wrote:I have rolled town
Ohey me too!
Who is the scums?
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Post Post #28 (isolation #6) » Fri Jan 15, 2021 4:54 pm

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Oof!

Well good luck on the exam! I'm sure you can slay it <3
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Post Post #65 (isolation #7) » Sat Jan 16, 2021 2:29 am

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In post 58, Adorable wrote:
In post 57, DeasVail wrote:Why did you make the vote then? Have you read Augustus’ posts?
This was my rvs vote and yes I read them. I also saw that he gave a town read so fast and how is he able to have a town read so fast when it hasn't been longer than 24 hours.
Hey Adorable!

How many games have you played since the Backrooms game?
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Post Post #71 (isolation #8) » Sat Jan 16, 2021 2:50 am

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In post 60, Datisi wrote:
In post 23, Aristophanes wrote:
Creature wrote:I have rolled town
Ohey me too!
Who is the scums?
i don't like this. it feels like a weird mixture of rvs joking and early-game conversation-starting, except it doesn't exactly read as joking and ari obviously doesn't care about the answer.
You are absolutely correct, I obviously don't care about the answer on pg 1 from someone who has said they are busy and whatnot lol

What reads wrong about it to you?

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Ya it took me 20 mins to write this. Darn work!
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Post Post #73 (isolation #9) » Sat Jan 16, 2021 2:55 am

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In post 67, Augustus Caesar wrote:Ari did you know this cat was in CATS for Backroom mafia?

I'm not the same bright cat I once was... age and experience has weathered me down and made me grumpy

Also losing my partner in crime to the flavour mines also hurt. That's more backstory though and we leave that to HBB (the guy who's in black and white and always smiling. It's off putting tbh but don't tell him I told you this)

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Hahaha this is fun!

I don't recall if I knew you were in Cats or that you are who you're a representative (read: alt) of tbh.

And don't worry, I won't tell mr b&w he scares you ;)
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Post Post #75 (isolation #10) » Sat Jan 16, 2021 2:57 am

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In post 70, Augustus Caesar wrote:I think this might be the least active game

Augustus's pal Hectic was dealt the same treatment last year. I was looking forward to the hyperposting this time round tbh

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I, for one, welcome the slower paced game and hope it continues.

Though your hyperposting is fun and thus is allowed :)
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Post Post #76 (isolation #11) » Sat Jan 16, 2021 2:58 am

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In post 74, Datisi wrote:the fact that it was asked on page 1, and a decently uneventful page 1. like, i dunno. what were you expecting? why did you only ask creature that?
Isn't asking someone who claims town that early who the scum are basically a meme at this point? XD
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Post Post #79 (isolation #12) » Sat Jan 16, 2021 3:06 am

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In post 66, Augustus Caesar wrote:
In post 64, Datisi wrote:oh, silly me. apologies, grumpy. *pat*

why do you get the impression that ari doesn't like standing out as scum?
AHHHHHH

Thanks

That classic scum PT where Vegeta (Nacho) is HYPING Ari up to post and Ari is scared over every little thing and how it'll look

That was 2 ot 3 years ago and I
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I checked more recent meta at some point in a previous game that still lines up with it but I can't remember

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Unfortunately Ive only had 6 scumgames in the past 2 years so that meta is definitely still accurate.

https://wiki.mafiascum.net/index.php?ti ... Games#2019

Linked in case you want to read up on more recent meta. There is one good scumgame there in Chain if Command but it was mostly due to mechanics.

That Scum PT with Vegeta/Nacho is still something I think back on as scum, it was that difinitive. I believe it was Buttersnap Shitfuckery by Bicephelous Bob haha
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Post Post #80 (isolation #13) » Sat Jan 16, 2021 3:18 am

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In post 77, Datisi wrote:is it? i've certainly never heard of it.
Maybe I'm wrong. I feel like Ive seen it a lot tho.
In post 78, Datisi wrote:do you have any feels yet, ari?
I think the Hectic/Augustus representatives are towny thus far. I like that you are prodding me on this but I'm also worried you're latching onto this as an easy way to make early content look good.

I don't think anyone else is active enough for a real early read yet
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In post 81, petapan wrote:oh sirius actually drew scum this game

VOTE: sirius
you have my attention
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Post Post #92 (isolation #15) » Sat Jan 16, 2021 8:45 am

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In post 85, Adorable wrote:@Aristophanes Did you mean how many games I played after the backrooms? I played 2 games.
Sorry if I wrote that badly, but yes, this is what I meant. Thanks!

I might have to look at your Isos in those games. I misread you badly in Backrooms and I don't want to make that mistake again
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Post Post #103 (isolation #16) » Sat Jan 16, 2021 9:02 am

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I found then NAI thus far tbh

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I mean Adorable.

I do agree Reck is off tho
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I could evolve my Mûmakil??

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VOTE: Reck
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Post Post #113 (isolation #18) » Sat Jan 16, 2021 9:59 am

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In post 106, xRECKONERx wrote:
In post 103, Aristophanes wrote:I found then NAI thus far tbh

Ninja'd
I mean Adorable.

I do agree Reck is off tho
why am i 'off' ari
Maybe "off" is bad wording, but I'm going to keep an eye on you this game.
In post 94, xRECKONERx wrote:I've made the executive decision not to read any of Hectic's posts this game because I fucking hate stupid posting gimmicks
I know this is probably based in genuine displeasure but the posts are legit not hard to read and if you take out the obvious flourishes there's good content there.

Why are you disregarding a slot that is active and will generate a lot ov activity and reads so early in the game?
In post 99, xRECKONERx wrote:oh wow adorable straight up dipped on DV's line of questioning

VOTE: Adorable
Adorable is strange and easy to vote and I think this shows exactly what I mean. It looks like it could be an opportunistic jump onto them.
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In post 121, The Bulge wrote:@ari, thoughts on ? I'm not a big fan of the answer you gave
I'm not sure I understand the question. I think his response to my response probably showed that the raging is genuine, but I hope he's done more since then and isn't just raging for the sake of it so he looks like he's contributing without giving any content and having an easy slot to tunnel.

I was busy yesterday and work 12h today but if I get a lunch break I'll be back to catch up! Otherwise it will be mostly tomorrow, for which I apologize.
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Post Post #365 (isolation #20) » Tue Jan 19, 2021 7:22 am

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I'm being wagoned and from my quick skims as the game has progressed it looks like a pretty bad wagon tbh. I'm reading up now and must say that I appreciate the pace at which the game has been going.

Uh, yeah I'll have some stuff for you in a bit.
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Post Post #367 (isolation #21) » Tue Jan 19, 2021 8:56 am

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Okay, so let's do a reread from pg 1 since starting at page 6 of the game just seems lazy and I have the time.

The earlywagon on Sirius seems NAI entirely as it happened far too quickly to mean anything. I think the staying power of the votes might say something though. The Hectic intro was obviously a prewrite and the gimmick in the first few posts is to establish it. I'm not putting weight into them and will be disregarding the gimmick for the most part, as I have been when reading their posts.

Overall the xof votes are meh but I don't like Ydrass' vote. It feels just kind of shoehorned into the thread. No mention of the other votes on xof like Hectic had, no thoughts to the other wagon that was there, just a basically blank vote hopping onto a trend and then asking to be ignored. Like I get that the sig not being active is noteworthy and I appreciate them pointing out who they are (I missed the alt thing in the OP and was confused at first as to why there were alts at all) but it feels wrong.

Oh dear lord I'd actually not read Ydrasse/Hectic doing whatever it was they did with their alt storytelling interactions on pg 2 and I guess I actually owe Reck an apology. I still have my worries about him but yeah, I can see why the alt thing rubbed him the wrong way. Literally didn't read that and only saw the more toned down Hectic posts which was why I was so dismissive there. That said pg 3 Hectic is towny and I think he has a good handle on the earlygame here. Switching abruptly from the blatant altposting to the actual game content posts is +town and I think it says a lot. Scum Hectic could easily have kept up the games and not said anything helpful there.

Adorable/DV questions make Adorable look bad but as I said I think that's more because of their style than anything else and thus I don't think Adorable looks that bad for it.
DV, why was this the vote you asked about at this point in the game when there were like 9 votes floating around?

I don't like that Datisi reacted to Bulge's vote:
In post 60, Datisi wrote:
In post 13, The Bulge wrote:VOTE: sirius

the coveted 4th vote
a great player once told me that a 4th vote on a wagon is always town. i don't know if that's true, but i'll pretend to believe it anyway. +town.
without acknowledging the post directly after it which holds the opposing virepoint:
In post 14, petapan wrote:lots of scumtells from bulge, 4th vote on a wagon
This interaction, or lack thereof, gives me partner vibes on Datisi and Bulge, though we all know how reliable preflip associatives are especially this early in the game. I'll be keeping an eye on them regardless.

Yeah, Hectic is engaging the game and not hiding behind the alts. I like it a lot.
In post 72, Augustus Caesar wrote:Pedit: FINE last question: why'd you ask Creature then? What was the purpose?
I think I missed this question earlier. I also think I answered a similar question from Datisi tho. It's just a joking question that I thought was a site meta meme at this point. I didn't expect an answer in any way.
In post 82, Aristophanes wrote:
In post 81, petapan wrote:oh sirius actually drew scum this game

VOTE: sirius
you have my attention
I'm annoyed that I was ignored here. We were edging out of RVS at this point and I would like an answer to this. In fact, it was done within the context of serious posts. Was it a joke or
siruis
serious and why?
In post 84, The Bulge wrote:sirius what were you doing Saturday afternoon from ~2:30 to 3:30?
This is weird and I don't like it or the implications of using out of game influence. If it's some joke then fine but it has big nope vibes.
In post 90, Augustus Caesar wrote:i like puff so far
her being difficult and arguing about this stuff is town-indicative
our records show she's floaty and less antagonistic as scum
not a fan of the limelight

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I'm not sure that this is true of them, but it may be. Do you have PuffScum meta to compare this to?
Like in Backrooms they were explaining how mafia worked to people who clearly know that and they were town so maybe it's not some legs to it but I'm pretty sure it's literally just a personality/playstyle thing. Also why wouldn't Grumpy Cat have posted this? They were in Backrooms with Puff and it would make sense from them! At least keep your alt-knowledge straight bro :P
In post 94, xRECKONERx wrote:I've made the executive decision not to read any of Hectic's posts this game because I fucking hate stupid posting gimmicks
I still don't like this post but I guess I get it.
I know I'm questioned later on my wording in response to my response to this response, but what I meant by Reck using this to tunnel them, as I believe I put it, is that if Reck sticks to the rage or commentary about this slot and thefact that Alts shouldn't be in this game and gimmicks are dumb rather than providing content I think that is scum indicative and a way to look busy without actually contributing. I haven't read what they've said after that response but I'm hoping they're *doing things* because otherwise this could indicate scum!Reck. I hope that makes things clearer here.
In post 99, xRECKONERx wrote:oh wow adorable straight up dipped on DV's line of questioning

VOTE: Adorable
I retain that this is standard for them.

Also Petapan dipped on my question above, was that not something you thought was noteworthy? What is the difference between the two in your opinion? (aka why is one worth voting and the other not worth commenting on?)

k that's the end of Page 4 so new post since this was a lot more than I expected to write here.
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Post Post #371 (isolation #22) » Tue Jan 19, 2021 9:46 am

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In post 100, Datisi wrote:
In post 90, Augustus Caesar wrote:her being difficult and arguing about this stuff is town-indicative
our records show she's floaty and less antagonistic as scum
can you talk how exactly was she being difficult here? like, she's started "arguing" about it only after i asked?
Do you expect someone to argue with themselves? Of course they didn't argue about it until they were prodded to :roll:
In post 108, xofelf wrote:Gotta say the multiposting thing is going to kill me. It just feels like noise for the sake of noise and my eyes kinda glaze over as I read it. I also can't keep track of which is which, and who they're supposed to be underneath the alt, which is making that slot so much harder to read.(I also don't remember if it was just one of the public alts hyperposting or both, so that's a bad sign)
I am liking DV so far. The questions do feel like they're coming from a genuine place. I guess the term is solving? But it just feels like good reaction poking and I'm here for it.
Ari my love, why do you feel funny to me? There's this tone underneath your posts that don't quite feel genuine and more performative. Idk if it's AI, I just know unlike usual, reading your posts made my nose wrinkle up.
That's what I got for now.
I hope my wallposting helps ;)
Wait! Xof why are your eyes glazing over at my long form posts!? I Thought I was Helping!!! :P
Yeah, Iunno why I would feel off to you here. Though I get told my forumposting feels fake all the time. Heck, I recall years of Reck holding this view :P I don't know if it persists tbh and I've heard it a lot less frequently in recent years, but it's always kinda there. It could have to do with the nature of our personal conversations being so different from the context of a Mafia game? Spitballing here entirely though.
I like your DV read as well, though I don't really read them either way from it. It's good to see where you're coming from on it!
In post 114, xRECKONERx wrote:i'm starting a new job next week.
Congrats btw! I hope you had a great start to the new job! <3 :)
In post 114, xRECKONERx wrote:
as for your point about adorable, taken a diff way, it's "well adorable's meta is to be strange and an easy vote".
i know nothing about adorable. i've never seen them before. and meta is trash anyway. i voted adorable bc of their exchange with DV, which i already said. that's not "strange". that's a straight up lie. adorable claimed to vote on nothing just pure RVS... then upon being questioned explained they did ACTUALLY vote for a reason... and then upon being pushed further by DV, completely ignored DV and jumped onto other things. that's scummy. idgaf about their meta.
About the underlined, yes. That was the intent of my post. This is twice I've been reworded so people could parse me now. Obviously I need to get better at expressing my points!
Adorable did a contradiction in RVS and followed it up with a flimsy reason based on their personal abilities and expectations within the game. I think that's fine tbh. I didn't read malice or intention to lie within the stream of posting. Is this a case of LAL? Because that's super weak, especially at such an early point in the game.
In post 115, xRECKONERx wrote:if you're interested in talking about my adorable read or xof read or dv read let me know ari. i think your jump onto me looks gross rn
I'll drop the Alt thing and hope we can move on from it. With that said,
UNVOTE: Reck
I think you vibing with xof is fine but I hope to see that develop as the game goes on because it's really baseline stuff at this point.
I think your read of DV is directly effected by your read on Adorable and I don't know that it is the best metric to base it upon.
In post 120, The Bulge wrote:@reck when you play scum and feel like a certain level of ~rage~ would be appropriate, do you find you are more likely to fake the emotion to fit the play, or do you prefer to allow real emotions to dictate your posting for a more natural effect?
You're asking Reck, the most staunch denouncer of meta, to self-meta? Yeah that'll end well :roll:
In post 121, The Bulge wrote:@ari, thoughts on ? I'm not a big fan of the answer you gave
In post 107, xRECKONERx wrote:i only had 4 posts prior to you saying this so it should be EXTREMELY ez for you to point out where i feel 'off'
I don't remember if I answered you, Bulge. 107 was really combative but Reck obviously came into this game annoyed so I'm trying to give them some slack now.
In post 122, Adorable wrote:Was this Hopkirk's meta read on Reck? I have had bad experience on meta reads because the players who town read a player for meta turned out to be scum in the end.
Not a fan of this response. Adorable, what are your reads on Reck and Hectic? Do you scumread Hectic for presenting a meta read? What about Reck for the vote on you? I see you dislike the vote, but is it scummy? What do you think of my using meta to defend you and what does that mean in regards to a read on me?
In post 129, Summer Nights wrote:is there anything that you do like so far, adorable?
What a weird question.
In post 133, Datisi wrote:
In post 129, Summer Nights wrote:is there anything that you do like so far, adorable?
is there anything *you* like so far?
Oh ew, what a weird question to UnoReverso.
Wtf is this??
In post 134, Adorable wrote:Reck's reasoning to their vote looked suspicious to me. It was the way how they worded it because I went to sleep and they said I dipped.
In his defense there's no way he could know you went to bed there.
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In post 122, Adorable wrote:I didn't like the way how you just straight up voted me saying I dipped and without even engaging with me. I went to bed after I responded to DV and don't expect me to respond right away because I'm not active.
you literally posted replying to other people and not DV

you're *still* ignoring DV after being called out on it???
Reck, like, what do you expect as an answer here? "Yep, I guess I did have a reason. Oops" is about all I can see them saying in response to that and like, who cares at this point? There's a lot more to comment on and question and being hung up on an omitted answer that can only really be one thing and was done during the RVS stages of the game is just too much man.
In post 141, The Bulge wrote:@adorable, ...yea what reck said
Piggybacking on this is a bad look for you.
In post 144, Augustus Caesar wrote:Oh, so part of my reasoning for townreading Puff earlier is because if she had a scumteam as well as Team Mafia teammates, I'd expect some level of coaching to be happening behind the scenes. And if that's the case, I don't see them letting her enter with a "early townreads are suspicious, how can you even have a townread so early" theory line of attack which is obviously flawed, and could easily attract attention/suspicion.
I asked her how much she'd conversed with her team though and apparently she only did after the fact. Still think there's validity in it though, because her team or scumteam would probably proactively try and help her out considering the occasion and all.
Uh, I think your conclusion might be right but this line of thought confuses me. Unless they asked for help with an OP it's unlikely their scumteam would jump into coaching them. And you discredit your read within this post? I just don't get the point of this.
In post 147, Augustus Caesar wrote:I've played a lot with her. Reference being drawn from:

viewtopic.php?f=3&t=84709 - town
viewtopic.php?f=84&t=84055 - town
viewtopic.php?f=51&t=83352 - town
viewtopic.php?f=2&t=82679 - scum

I thought Bulge was saying they don't disagree with the T/T take but we both ping as unwarranted/performative. Guess we'll find out when he clarifies.

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Noted. I'll be taking a look at these at some point. Thanks Hectic! This answered my earlier question about whether you had scum meta with them.
In post 148, Summer Nights wrote:
In post 133, Datisi wrote:
In post 129, Summer Nights wrote:is there anything that you do like so far, adorable?
is there anything *you* like so far?
yes! hectic + bulge + xof so far have given me good vibes.
Could you elaborate on these reads?


Oops big post from 2 pages maybe I should ease up...
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Post Post #372 (isolation #23) » Tue Jan 19, 2021 9:54 am

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In post 369, petapan wrote:you didn't phrase to me like a question so i saw no need to answer, and if even if you'd asked for an explanation i was just as likely not to give one
I gigured it was implied. Was it not implied? Do I need to be that explicit? Noted for later.
In post 368, petapan wrote:
In post 367, Aristophanes wrote:This interaction, or lack thereof, gives me partner vibes on Datisi and Bulge, though we all know how reliable preflip associatives are especially this early in the game. I'll be keeping an eye on them regardless.
dude are you kidding me with this
In post 370, Datisi wrote:was i supposed to acknowledge peta's non-serious (correct me if i'm wrong) read on bulge's positioning on the wagon because it contradicted my very-super-serious read on the same thing? and that gives you partner-y vibes because...? you think i'm so desperate to townread my buddy?
Sure, both jump at me for this one earlyread. That really helps your case :P

Yes I was serious here. It's something I thought was a weird interaction to not have happen. I don't think you were that desperate to townread a buddy, but I don't see why you would make a directly opposite joke without acknowledging the previous mention of it? Like usually that would be the kind of joke made in the next post, not on a different page. It just has weird vibes all over it.

It's really earlygame stuff though, so it's not like I'm giving it a lot of weight. The reaction to it is really interesting though.
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Post Post #374 (isolation #24) » Tue Jan 19, 2021 10:08 am

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In post 373, petapan wrote:no offense but it feels like you're forcing analysis here

but as promised

VOTE: beeboy

because let's face it, this is what he does as scum, promising to read later and not post, anyone who knows him knows it, the game is so slow it shouldn't be a problem at all
That's fine, you're allowed to read into it.

I think a beeboy vote here is meh.

I mean, beeboy could and should be getting help from their team, meaning a lack of posts implied a lack of time/presence. I don't think we should let them off the hook with more proddodges, but Limming an inactive player is a cop out when we have a decent amount of content to base a Lim on here.
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Post Post #378 (isolation #25) » Tue Jan 19, 2021 10:40 am

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Oh good, nothing to say from page 8. Just past game meta arguments that Idgaf about from Datisi/Bulge, Adorable saying whatever, and the weird conclusion of the Sirius/Bulge thing that again makes Bulge look bad. Might have to case Bulge after this tbh. Seems I keep coming back to them.

Also, Sirius, something AI would be really nice from you.
Thx.
In post 208, xRECKONERx wrote:you
still
haven't
responded
to
dv's
post
Lol I can hear the Clap Emotes and they aren't even here XD
Uh, this is kind of the hyperfocusing on one thing that I was worried about with Reck WRT Hectic. I think he's found a new target and honestly this is a pretty big red flag imo. FoS on you my friend.
In post 209, petapan wrote:bulge townie


adorable in you said the vote wasn't based on anything, but in you said it was because of how augustus gave a fast town read. that's what people are getting on your case about. can you address this?
You didn't want to elaborate on Sirius. Can you elaborate on The Bulge here?
And as I asked Reck, what honestly do you expect their answer to be here? Everyone being stuck on this shit is legitimately stupid.

DV is probably town though. I'll give them that.
In post 220, petapan wrote:okay.

maybe im overthinking it but dont think scum acts so blatantly self-contradictory early game and the responses seem to come from some sort of headspace where this all makes sense
This. Scum also wouldn't have avoided the question like they did. This is why the pages of uproar about it are so fucking ridiculous and likely have scum hiding within the uproarious bunch imo.
In post 224, xRECKONERx wrote:
In post 220, petapan wrote:okay.

maybe im overthinking it but dont think scum acts so blatantly self-contradictory early game and the responses seem to come from some sort of headspace where this all makes sense
this is bad though bc adorable is acting self-contradictory and i think that's town or scum indicative! i think scum, especially those unfamiliar or newer, will have a harder time staying logically consistent
they'll blurt out whatever
adorable just seems to act in a weird manner and has now stumbled over herself to re-explain why she's so contradictory
like, the idea is... "i voted someone, said it was based on nothing when asked, then retroactively gave a justification for it... then got called out on giving a retroactive justification for it, and took 100 posts to get coached by my scumteam on how to respond to it"

idk man i feel like i see people in the current site meta trying to trip over themselves to explain how scum dumbfuckery is actually
too dumbfuck
to be scum and the fact of the matter is uh it gets caught like that for a reason
Oh look, Reck is still sticking on this after it's been resolved. Just like I figured they would.

Fuckit
VOTE: Reck

That was short lived.

End of pg 10.
We're getting there. Sorry everyone (:
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Post Post #381 (isolation #26) » Tue Jan 19, 2021 10:50 am

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In post 375, petapan wrote:nah if it were any other username i'd agree with you but this is a special case and i wanna get it out of the way now
I suppose this is a reasonable point. I don't think I have recent enough beeboy!scum meta to say anything either way here. People say the same about me when I can't produce and it's definitely something worth looking at, but I'd expect it to happen after at least a second proddodge.
In post 376, DeasVail wrote:Ari, in response to your question to me, I chose Adorable's vote because it came at a time when there had been some vaguely interesting posts made, it was a vote on Augustus who had been a relatively loud player, Adorable had only just made the vote so chances of real-time interaction were high, I didn't have any familiarity with Adorable so it would have been good to get some insight, and I just happened to be looking at the thread at the time and thought it would be fun to subvert RVS expectations and meta for a bit of wtf!

But now I have some questions for you!
In post 371, Aristophanes wrote:I think your read of DV is directly effected by your read on Adorable and I don't know that it is the best metric to base it upon.
But what is YOUR read of me?

There is a lot of commenting on other people's reads and criticising the reasoning, but this is actually very easy to do as scum! What is more difficult is coming up with thoughts of your own which I notice you haven't actually done very much of despite saying a lot of words.

Similarly, you say the beeboy vote is meh, but I want to know what vote you think is not meh.
Thank you DV, I appreciate the answer. It makes good sense for the timing of things.

I think I just answered this in my most recent post, but I think you are strongly on the town side of things. Your followups were reasonable, the explanation here as to why you asked them things specifically is good, and I like the say you reacted to and rethought your trajectory in that slot in particular.
In post 377, Adorable wrote:Aristophanes are you all caught up? Some of the stuff you have asked me have already been answered. The part when you asked me about what do I think of you using meta to defend me mean to me about my read on you is making me lean town on you. I don't believe in scum white knighting me and why should scum defend me when I could have been a really good push for scum to eliminate. In a world if I am ever being defended by scum, then this would mean that scum knows what my weakness is in my town games.
No, I'm almost there. I do see that some of this is already long passed now and I would have spun it all into one post if that wouldn't have made an impossible quotewall. As it is this is probably over the top.

Thanks also for the response, Adorable! I think scum would have an alright time hiding in a white knoght role here without actually posting with enough force to convince anyone to unvote you, but I also see what you are saying here. I'm tempted to read into this that scum may have less experience with you if they are not defending you here but I don't think you are saying that, nor is it really something I expect would actually lead to fruitful reads.

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Post Post #382 (isolation #27) » Tue Jan 19, 2021 10:58 am

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In post 379, Datisi wrote:
In post 372, Aristophanes wrote:
In post 368, petapan wrote:
In post 367, Aristophanes wrote:This interaction, or lack thereof, gives me partner vibes on Datisi and Bulge, though we all know how reliable preflip associatives are especially this early in the game. I'll be keeping an eye on them regardless.
dude are you kidding me with this
In post 370, Datisi wrote:was i supposed to acknowledge peta's non-serious (correct me if i'm wrong) read on bulge's positioning on the wagon because it contradicted my very-super-serious read on the same thing? and that gives you partner-y vibes because...? you think i'm so desperate to townread my buddy?
Sure, both jump at me for this one earlyread. That really helps your case :P

Yes I was serious here. It's something I thought was a weird interaction to not have happen. I don't think you were that desperate to townread a buddy, but I don't see why you would make a directly opposite joke without acknowledging the previous mention of it? Like usually that would be the kind of joke made in the next post, not on a different page. It just has weird vibes all over it.

It's really earlygame stuff though, so it's not like I'm giving it a lot of weight. The reaction to it is really interesting though.
there's a case of mine here?

well you see, soon-ish after making my first post, i went to bed because the game started at 2am central european time. when i woke up the next morning, the game was already on page three. i saw the talk about bulge being the 4th vote, and that being a scum!position on a wagon, and i thought "hold on, didn't bob make a comment in a scum pt that he found out that the 4th vote on an rvs wagon is almost always town?" so i went to check, and sure enough, he did. and for the injustice that was done to him in that game, i thought it would be nice and/or funny to reference a post of his that i just so happened to remember in that moment.

maybe it's my fault because i should've quoted peta's post there too. maybe you're reaching because it's just these nitpicky details that you can use against me.

the word "interesting" doesn't actually *mean* anything. is it nai? is it ai? in which direction? why?
Thanks, having this tangible post makes this a lot less *interesting* to me :P

Like, it looked like a weird post without this context and I've never heard of this Bob person. So as a fun reference to a totally different game that has no bearing on anything here I'll happily drop it entirely and move on.

"Interesting" here really didn't have a direct link to alignments. It meant that it piqued my interest as weird and therefore I was going to look at you more. It raised my eyebrow and therefore was of interest to me leading me to want to sort you. It no longer has that intrigue. Thank you for the explanation :)
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Post Post #384 (isolation #28) » Tue Jan 19, 2021 11:06 am

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In post 380, petapan wrote:
In post 378, Aristophanes wrote:You didn't want to elaborate on Sirius. Can you elaborate on The Bulge here?
And as I asked Reck, what honestly do you expect their answer to be here? Everyone being stuck on this shit is legitimately stupid.
for the adorable question, i mainly wanted to state it to her in as clerar tearms as possible so she'd answer it and we'd get some sort of resolution. i was looking for some sort of consistency in her reasoning, that she hadn't just decided to justify her vote post hoc after being asked about it by DV. i thought the response made sense but then she seemed to get contradictory again so i just threw my hands up in the air. my problem currently is i can see her using the reasoning she's had this game as town or scum


bulge, at the time, seemed to be asking questions i liked and getting on sirius about the particular time interval felt townie to care about that sort of specificity. on looking back at his iso, i'm not sure i like it much at all actually
Re: Adorable
That's valid enough. Landing on Null/NAI for that after everything that went into prying the answer out of them is probably not where scum would end up so that helps me read you better :)

Re: The Bulge
I suppose I can see where you were coming through there despite disagreeing at that point in the game and also thinking the post about timing is totally within the scope of scum!Bulge. As mentioned I think they have a lot of scum equity and need to do an Iso (or just reread my own posts) after this catchup is completed because they pinged me multiple times in the first 2/3 of this game so far.

Ninja'd
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In post 381, Aristophanes wrote:I suppose this is a reasonable point. I don't think I have recent enough beeboy!scum meta to say anything either way here. People say the same about me when I can't produce and it's definitely something worth looking at, but I'd expect it to happen after at least a second proddodge.
if it's necessary to convince people i will explain but i have basically no intention of letting this slide
No problem. I mean I wouldn't say no to that but also your conviction here combined with a decently budded townread on you leaves me willing to believe you on this. I don't think it will be my vote at the moment, but I may join you later.
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Post Post #385 (isolation #29) » Tue Jan 19, 2021 12:23 pm

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In post 262, xofelf wrote:Checking back in with the following:

Datisi, I was waiting for Ari to actually respond to my question before I explained more on how he feels off, and he's still not done so which is rather annoying. I have liked what you've been giving, but you do feel like you're a little overanxious here bud. Idk if that's your usual gig or not, but I don't really think it's anything AI.

Summer Nights/Ydrasse just rubs me in all the wrong ways. Early start was all endless fluff for the sake of posting, but once she you know stopped all of that, she is not consistent whatsoever. Like in one post she's talking about how she really likes how one person is doing, and then the very next about them is talking about how she doesn't feel good about them. And that's hella sus. I don't think I've ever played with her so I have no idea if this is out of character or not. It also feels very noncommital in a way that gives off "don't look at me, I'm harmless" vibes that don't feel genuine but fairly faked. It also seems like her opinions on people were dependant on how they were interacting with adorable. Which brings me to my next person.
Adorable. Something just feels off. Early on she spent an awful lot of time in establishing just what her meta is or isn't, and some very specific expectations she has of scumplay. Which to me felt like a way to be like "look, I'm not doing *these* things, I can't possibly be scum." and "as long as my behaviour is following these rules I've established about my gameplay, then i *must* be town" and I ain't about that kind of stuff. I agree she took a while to answer DV, but as a person who posts very infrequently and often misses stuff directed at me, I didn't mind that. But then her later pointing out how someone else didn't answer a question she asked them wasn't great. A lot of her content being what her team thinks rather than her, also feels funny to me. But I've also never played a Team Mafia before so this may just be par for the course. I just don't like what she's bringing to the table. But also, Summer did an awful lot of defending or explaining for adorable(ctrl-f has adorable show up 20 times in that iso, some of which are quotes, but most are Summer herself), and yet adorable has only talked to or about Summer once, and it was just a direct question that Summer asked her about what she liked in the game. It felt like a softball you'd throw to a scumpartner to set them up for a read or misdirection. I just don't think that a town player would just completely ignore someone who is talking for them that much. Even just a thank you or acknowledgement post, but there's nothing.

So with all of the above in mind, I think Summer Nights and adorable are together in some capacity, and I think it's because they're scum together. But of the two, I am going to VOTE: Adorable
This is really good and says a lot of things I've been thinking. I townread them for it. I also have now responded to the weird feels they had on me so xof, since you apparently have a reason behind it, would you care to elaborate? :)
In post 264, Adorable wrote:Everything Hectic has said about Reckoner so far I agree with and I have been scum reading Reck.

I also don't like how xof said Summer and I are together and xof said Summer did an awful alot of defending me. From what I remember, scum would never defend each other because that just makes the other scum look bad when one of them flips. I'm scum reading both Reckoner and xof and I am suspicious that scum are trying to push an elimination on me day 1.

VOTE: xRECKONERx
I like the vote but the xof stuff is off. Scumplay isn't black and white like this and many scum have defended theirpartners at many points in many games. Do you dislike it because it implicates you as scum or because of theory only?
Also what is your read of Ydrasse?
In post 266, Adorable wrote:
In post 239, xRECKONERx wrote:b/c i don't see any universe where
a) two scum white knight the same townie off of such little pressure early d1
b) two buddies go hard to get pressure off of adorable d1 when it's so early

so at most, one of them is scum IMO
On b) you said two buddies go hard to get pressure off scum so what you're saying here is 2 scum in Hectic, Ari, petapan are scum.

I'm curious to hear from Hectic, Ari, and petapan what they have to say about this post.
You've read way too much into this post, Adorable. I don't think he's saying that at all.
In post 269, xRECKONERx wrote:cheet and shea have told me to stop being an asshole and read hectic's posts bc they're not that bad. fine. coming later. ive got zoomthings happening right now.
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<3 these guys!
(And <3 you too Reck. Geez :P)
(I had to look up your 4th since AGar hasn't been mentioned but yeah I can give them a <3 too :) )
(But that's it! I mean sheehs, what am I? Made of <3's??)

...I think I see why people see my posts as fake now.
In post 271, Creature wrote:
In post 24, Creature wrote:
In post 20, Aristophanes wrote:
In post 18, Creature wrote:Wished I could wait for Monday
Just V/LA :)
I don't think that's necessary. It's just that I have an important exam on Sunday and I'm afraid this game may distract me from my studies.
Just finished the first part of this shit exam and my reaction is:

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Oof, sending my love my friend! I hope part 2 goes well <3

Shit! I said that was it on the hearts! GDI!
In post 288, petapan wrote:VOTE: aristophanes
I see why DV voted me but what was your reason?
In post 292, Datisi wrote:one two seven three
VOTE: aristophanes
You claimed I dipped on the thread and on answering things but then when I tell you I'll be back, that is when you decide to vote me? Why??
I will say though, nice little rhyme there :P

Oh no my eyes are glazing over now. This isn't even a long or hard read.
Fuck man.

This deadpool alt is fun at least.
In post 300, Augustus Caesar wrote:Ari is Ari so far. the takes he's given on Reck are okay, not too sure otherwise
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In post 121, The Bulge wrote:@ari, thoughts on ? I'm not a big fan of the answer you gave
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I was busy yesterday and work 12h today but if I get a lunch break I'll be back to catch up! Otherwise it will be mostly tomorrow, for which I apologize.
however, Reck never expressed a scumread on me, in fact, he's only had me as a varying level of ~town~
what gave you the impression he is or plans to tunnel me?

btw did you like the cute red highlight i used? i thought it'd be on-brand

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Sorry, I knew I'd seen this asked but I couldn't remember where/when. I mentioned in one of my catchup posts that my thoughts were badly stated. I didn't mean tunnel on this like a scumread, but rather hyperfocusing in lieu of other content.

Also yes, the red you used was very cute/cheeky :) <3
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Pay them lots of money, usually.

Also, awesome. I had light Creature townvibes early on but pg 13-14 solidify it :)
In post 338, The Bulge wrote:lmao 4th again :nerd:
Okay, now it's a meme I guess lol
Any thoughts on the more recent comeback posts?
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*waves to Ydrasse*
Hello my friend! I have returned! Thanks for believing in me :) :) <3

Can I join the "Wtf is Sirius doing" fangroup or nah? :P

Oh, and this catches me up to my catchups.

Finally! :)
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Fuck that was a long one.

Imma give my eyes a break now. Be back in a bit.
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Post Post #390 (isolation #31) » Tue Jan 19, 2021 1:11 pm

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In post 387, Datisi wrote:
In post 385, Aristophanes wrote:
In post 292, Datisi wrote:one two seven three
VOTE: aristophanes
You claimed I dipped on the thread and on answering things but then when I tell you I'll be back, that is when you decide to vote me? Why??
at the time of typing , i already decided my next vote was going to be you. it was just a matter of time. originally was gonna vote you in that one, but something distracted me with adorable idk. i couldn't resist hopping onto a shiny new wagon.

also i don't really care about posts saying "i'll be back" or "i'll do it later". ok we'll talk later then.
In post 385, Aristophanes wrote:I will say though, nice little rhyme there :P
life is marchin' on, do you feel that~? ♫ ♩

can you make some sorta readslist or something when you're back?
Oh right, I saw that post and that I was the intended vote but the sparkly vibes of the Adorable wagon grabbed your attention. And that's fine. I had to ask.

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In post 388, petapan wrote:
In post 385, Aristophanes wrote:I see why DV voted me but what was your reason?
it was part me starting to think reck wasn't responding to being voted the way i feel scum would, and part dv saying you should be getting more attention combined with your popin. it was not a strong feel. one of my teammates did read the game and said they didn't like your approach to reck but this was after i made the vote
I kinda figured it would come down to a supporting pressure vote tbh. Again, makes sense with thread trajectory. Thanks!
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Post Post #393 (isolation #33) » Tue Jan 19, 2021 1:26 pm

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In post 392, Datisi wrote:
In post 390, Aristophanes wrote:Townread: Hectic, Creature
Townlean: xofelf, DV, Petapan
Null: Datisi, Adorable
Scumlean: The Bulge, Ydrasse
Scumread: Reck
i wanna hear more about me, creature, and ydrasse, please. c:
Sure thing!

Creature is an easy one. They came in hard after their required time away and posted so many of my own thoughts I was really surprised how similarly we lined up. As well there's no agenda or badfeels from their posting leading me to townread them quite heavily. I look forward to more from them :)

Ydrasse has a bunch of moments (which I think I pointed out) that just ring as potentially scummy to me. The early alt-story interaction was an easy way to fluff their way into the game and avoid RVS. The weird "what do you like" question to Adorable was another of these moments and I feel like, as has been mentioned (by xof iirc) that it was an extremely lowball question that could either be aimed at getting a scummate to provide content or to pose as town that is asking questions to help lead us to a solve without actually doing anything. Those are the 2 from the top of my head.

Datisi, well, I want to scumread you for tone but I also am fairly certain I'm wrong. I think we're going to be at odds for a lot of this game but I also don't think being at odds is necessarily scummy. Like, you're not null because I don't have a read on you but because my read is entirely conflicted.
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Post Post #412 (isolation #34) » Tue Jan 19, 2021 3:35 pm

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In post 395, Datisi wrote:frankly by now i forgot about the early alt thing or the fact you mentioned it. the reaction to "what do you like" i did remember, but mostly because i better remembered your reaction to my reaction to that.
In post 393, Aristophanes wrote:Datisi, well, I want to scumread you for tone but I also am fairly certain I'm wrong. I think we're going to be at odds for a lot of this game but I also don't think being at odds is necessarily scummy. Like, you're not null because I don't have a read on you but because my read is entirely conflicted.
ok this is what i wanna talk about. and by talk about for now i guess i mean just throwing these same questions back at you, but come on you can't write something spicy like this and not elaborate. why is my tone scummy to you, and why are you at the same time certain you're wrong? why are you conflicted and how can i help you here?
I'll be honest, this is the most work I've put into a mafia game in a long time and I'm drained. I'll see what I can do to sort this better tomorrow.

As a short answer right now, I think we are approaching the game very differently and it is obvious if you look at how we are reading and interacting with it. You have a serious jokey tone that in itself leads to a conflict in my mind but I think your approach to the game probably rings genuine despite it being so different.

I'll come back with a proper conversation, as I say, but yeah.
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Post Post #414 (isolation #35) » Tue Jan 19, 2021 4:48 pm

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In post 413, Sirius9121 wrote:
In post 378, Aristophanes wrote: Also, Sirius, something AI would be really nice from you.
Thx.
hi I'll post later after 30mins feel free to ask me questions
Oh wow you have 22 posts??

Uhm, you seem to be most familiar with Datisi , what is your read there? It might help me anyway.
In post 163, Sirius9121 wrote:
In post 159, Summer Nights wrote:my other delusional theory this game so far has to do with an early sirius wagon trying to get him flustered and pushed on
I'm easily the worst

player here

so they're trying

to make a wagon on me

NO U
What is your read on Ydrasse as well?

And do you still think you're the worst player here? If that's the case, why would we be pressuring you for content?
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Post Post #415 (isolation #36) » Tue Jan 19, 2021 4:49 pm

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And inb4 Reck says I'm ignoring them. I'm not. I'm just going to respond tomorrow.

Asking Sirius Qs is easy. Responding to you takes brainpower i do not have atm.
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Post Post #416 (isolation #37) » Tue Jan 19, 2021 4:51 pm

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You should have some experience with at least Ydrasse, Creature, and Hectic. Any thoughts on the three?
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Post Post #459 (isolation #38) » Wed Jan 20, 2021 3:57 am

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Fyi Adorable, if you pur the post numbers in "post" tags they'll link us to the posts making it easier to reference what you're talking about. Posts like and (see what I did there) would be a lot easier to follow if you did that :)

Code: Select all

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Post Post #460 (isolation #39) » Wed Jan 20, 2021 4:04 am

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Also I fund all of the attention on beeboy funny because xof hasn't been here in the same amount of time and nobody cares? There was a 3 hour difference between their last posts.

Like I get that beebs is a meta point but still, the fact that nobody cares if a slot that has only 3 posts has been silent the same amount of time be has is funny to me.
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Post Post #461 (isolation #40) » Wed Jan 20, 2021 4:09 am

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In post 453, Sirius9121 wrote:inactivity, or activity otherwise, is really non-indicative of scum or town.

As an example,
in my only scum game on MS
, notscience, who was
the second highest poster
, was scum.
Yeah but some people have certain tendancies. My town gane ans scumgame are vastly different in both actuvity and engagement, as noted before. Some people just perform in a certain way as a certain alignment most og the time.

Using a reference to Notty in defense of beeboy is odd. Did you think that one up or did your team tell you to mention activity not being AI?
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Post Post #462 (isolation #41) » Wed Jan 20, 2021 4:12 am

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In post 456, Datisi wrote:pedit: doot
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Post Post #464 (isolation #42) » Wed Jan 20, 2021 4:44 am

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That's true, petapan. They are on the Mish Mash side of things far more often and their posts were alright so far if nothing that stands out.

I just wanted to point out that doubke standard. And Inmean rolling scum as someone who doesn't play a lot would possibly scare them away so Iunno, it's something to address with them/their replacement I guess.
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Post Post #468 (isolation #43) » Wed Jan 20, 2021 5:39 am

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Eyy its beeboy!! <3

We missed you!

No, I'd say read fresh and give us your thoughts without our interference. It's a short enough game so far with decent content.
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Haha yeah, Imma wait for content tho. We have time.
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Absolutely!

I am going to Iso them and do a Datisi thing later today. Right now I'm here in a mostly reactionary capacity.
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In post 466, beeboy wrote:Is anyone here is there something I should know before I read back?
My team has been yelling at me while I do other things and I am starting to feel bad.
So, uh, beeboy...any luck yet or...?
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Noted, Isis.

I will do better.

Thanks!
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Wait am I artistic boi or is that Datisi?
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(I am not artistic but I get called "Art" on the forums sometimes and my standard avatar is artistic and part of the reason I am shortened to that)
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XD Well said!

I hate to pry but also I'm going to.

That's a really short half a readslist and I don't get why you didn't respond to like, anything but did respond to the gallows thing.

Have you read the game? Is that really all you have for us?
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I haven't said anything for 5 pages but also feel like the game is mostly on autopilot right now and there's not much to say?

I mean, for starters this is long overdue...
UNVOTE: Reck
I can backburner this and rethink things as we go. I mean, my team had answers for your alignment as both towny and scummy and it's obviously not something I can make happen today so whatever.

Pretty sure we're set on beeboy and while my stance that it's mostly NAI remains, I'm not actually against it.
I do find it interesting that Reck voting there while saying "meta is trash, but lets yeet this guy" is mostly accepted while my saying "screw meta and let him have a chance" is mostly not accepted but I think that's also probably not as telling as I'd like it to be.

Uhm...I still have to do the Bulge and Datisi things and will get to that. Also I'd address xof but I don't exactly know how to here.
Like my mentioning of you and beeboy in the same framework was strictly activity levels and not content levels and the answers people gave were quite reasonable.
Also I don't see the put on persona you do (probably because I really don't feel I'm putting one on here) and I mean, that's w/e anyway.

Uh, mostly okay with day ending whenever so we don't stall out and will vote beebs is I need to despite them being as null as one can be.

Oh, also I wanted to address Reck, one sec I'll get the quote!
It's obv from his readslist.
In post 577, xRECKONERx wrote:Aristophanes: boy, this is just a weird, gross kinda slot. overeager is ari's brand, but something ab the early RVS joke play here feels hollow and nongenuine. the hop onto me with hectic was awful. "reck is off" isn't anything. i asked for an elaboration and he couldn't give one, he just backpedaled on using the word "off". p much my entire adorable townread epiphany came from looking at how far ari was bending over backwards to defend her. the hop off and hop BACK onto me is gross, and it's all wrapped up in this defense of adorable's contradictory behavior. i don't believe town would have such a boner for shutting down someone calling out contradictions. he also has this entire narrative he's putting out there that i was ever attacking or tunneling on hectic when i literally haven't the entire game, he's just trying to use my loud personality to poison the well. it's all scummy as fuck.
I don't know that it's actually scummy, but I feel like Reck is obviously either misrepping or misunderstanding me in a lot of thins here.

The hop onto you with hectic had a lot to do with a #fuckit attitude. When you asked about me saying you were off I did not just backpedal and I thought my recognizing that the statement was flawed was fine. I did say other things there yaknow. I stand by my defense of Adorable and I really don't see why town wouldn't do what I did there. Defending someone you know to be odd when they are odd makes really good sense to me. And I did not create a narrative of you tunneling on hectic. That was another falter in phrasing which I addressed. I was saying that as scum I would expect you ho stick on something that you could easily make outrage posts about. I thought it would be Hectic's posts. It ended up being Adorable's. I know you have a loud personality, and I am literally not "poisoning the well" with that fact. Nice try tho.

Like the more I think about it while writing this the more it looks to me like a blatant misrep of me in order to discredit me and this read I have on you, and I'm not cool with it.
I would legit Eliminate you if it were my choice. Alas it's not and I must therefore drop it for now. But this is not going away. I am already regretting the unvote I've made in this post and it hasn't even been posted yet.

Oh,I missed the hop off and back onto you. Can you explain why that's "gross"? Because looking at this, "gross" tells me just about as much as "interesting" told you and I'd like a fuller explanation.
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I guess there was more to say than I thought.
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In post 613, xRECKONERx wrote:1. Do you think scum would refuse to defend Adorable? how do you think scum would play around Adorable, if town, and she was being pushed by town? Would they pile on? or would they defend? Or ignore?

2. You implied I was going after Hectic, I was not. Walking it back because both me and Hectic himself called you out on it after the fact doesn't really do much for me. Like... testing the waters by slightly misrepping what was happening is kinda what scum would do, and if called out on it, I would expect them to backpedal not double down. Because like, what's the other option? "Oops, you got me, I was lying for no reason"? No, you've got to try to talk it down somehow or recontextualize it.

3. You say "nice try tho". What does this mean? You're implying you think I'm "trying" something nefarious. That is clearly implying that I'm scum, yet in the very same post, you've unvoted me and said I'm on the "back burner". This looks very much like you trying to throw shade my way to keep the door open for jumping on me again when it becomes politically convenient for you to do so, while backing off of a wagon that is no longer popular.
1. I meam, as scum I dould jump on or shade it until I could. My response would likely have been that Adorable is odd and that I think that's scummy but want to give them a chance to change that. Then as long as the wagon stays viable I'd jump on it. I'm really sure that would have been my plat play there as scum. I mean, a person on the scumteam defending them would be possible too but it probably wouldn't be me.

2. I did not fucking walk that back. Here I'll quote what I said:
In post 287, Aristophanes wrote:
In post 121, The Bulge wrote:@ari, thoughts on ? I'm not a big fan of the answer you gave
I'm not sure I understand the question. I think his response to my response probably showed that the raging is genuine, but I hope he's done more since then and isn't just raging for the sake of it so he looks like he's contributing without giving any content and having an easy slot to tunnel.

I was busy yesterday and work 12h today but if I get a lunch break I'll be back to catch up! Otherwise it will be mostly tomorrow, for which I apologize.
In that post I said I hope you're not raging for the sake of raging giving you an easy slot to tunnel.
Not said: "Reck is tunneling Hectic"
Wow. Tough reading. Definitely some backpedaling needed there. I clarified already that my intent was not to imply you were scumreading Hectic. I never said you were! This isn't a backpedal because it's literally fabricated in your mind!

3. Yes, I was implying you're scum. I noted regretting the unvote. I noted that I would literally eliminate you now if I could. Like basically if I had a vig shot I'd rather aim it at you than anyone else atm.
I realize, however, that a tunnel like that could hurt both our reads and the gamestate. I have enough awareness to say to myself "wow, Reck obviously isnt the Elim today. Maybe I should put that aside since it looks like beeboy is the Elim and I don't want to clutter the game at a point when the day is winding to a natural close. Maybe I even said all that in that very post! :O

I literally backed off because it's not going to happen today. I'm not shading you, I'm scumreading youm but I have enough sense not to drag us into a 1v1 right now.

I have no response to 614. I was catching up and recalibrating as I went. Simple.
I don't think I've run into "sitrep" before, should I know what it means?
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I apologize but timing is not on my side again. I'll be back tomorrow.

Reck, I didn't Iso Dive because I was making a quick response on the go. I'll get there. It seems I missed a lot too so this should be fun when I get there! :)
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Post Post #719 (isolation #55) » Sun Jan 24, 2021 7:51 am

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If you get caught up and present thoughts I'm happy, whatever style works best!
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Though xof and Reck will both vote for summarized blocks I'm sure.
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Post Post #874 (isolation #57) » Tue Jan 26, 2021 10:37 am

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In post 770, Creature wrote:Should we ever do Aristophanes?
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Also Happy Scumday!

Also also I need to do this game today/tomorrow. I feel like I've neglected it and am way behind again.
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Post Post #1034 (isolation #58) » Wed Jan 27, 2021 4:46 pm

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*looks at VC*
Oof, are we that bad at pronouns here?

Uhm, I'm really sorry I've not been motivated to be here. I'm trying to change that.

I have word from a teammate that RCE is still the best option for Elimination today despite some of the meta for beeboy being imperfect.
I'll mention intent but with basically that means I'll hammer if we get too close to deadline.

Sorry again. I just feel like there is so much to do and so I'm putting it all off, as if that's a good solution :roll:

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Post Post #1127 (isolation #59) » Tue Feb 02, 2021 3:24 am

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Hey all, I have class for the next few hours and then this game is my priority. I've let it slip.

I did see the beeboy flip and I guess I should have listened. I'll look at interactions around the slot at soms point because, well, they're probably going to be helpful.

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Post Post #1157 (isolation #60) » Thu Feb 04, 2021 6:31 am

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Hi, yeah that's fine. Vote me if you like. I am in training sessions all day today and tomorrow but I'm in a good mindset to get back into this today so I should have a few actual posts tonight. I was just really not in the mental place to be here the past few days.
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Post Post #1401 (isolation #61) » Sun Feb 07, 2021 5:10 pm

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Oh yay I'm ckmpeting for lead wagon with DV who I happen to townread. That said I like the wagoners on me far less than those on DV for town.

Also, @Isis the VC lists Bulge under woting me and not voting, just fyj.

Reck's apparent murderboner for me is meh. I'll have to reread it but I guess I don't see that coming as hard from scum as it is here.

I'll reread the Bulge but honestly they're the best I have as a scumread atm. I need to reread and make sure that hilds up tho.
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Post Post #1420 (isolation #62) » Mon Feb 08, 2021 1:29 am

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In post 1404, DeasVail wrote:What about Ydrasse?
I'll take a look at her today/tomorrow. I see she replaced in on her main which might make her easier to read tbh
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Post Post #1450 (isolation #63) » Tue Feb 09, 2021 5:23 am

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In post 1437, Augustus Caesar wrote:
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Has Dannflor been reading this game and does he have thoughts?
Actually this game has been voted the "most neglected" by my team lol

I have a few thoughts from Jingle but that's mostly it.
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Post Post #1451 (isolation #64) » Tue Feb 09, 2021 5:26 am

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In post 1442, The Bulge wrote:
@Aristophanes

In post 1439, The Bulge wrote:
In post 1402, Datisi wrote:also i find it funny that the above post said the word "reread" 3 times
I also find it funny considering it has been 3 weeks since ari last talked about his read of me, and since then he has only given his word several times to isodive me. did that ever happen, ari?

why are you clinging to an ancient scumlean you never really even substantiated in the first place instead of just saying you have nothing and need to reset? how caught up are you, and when did that reading happen?
Has it been that long O.o

I'm bullocks at making time for this atm and I'm really sorry.
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Reading should happen today.
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Post Post #1470 (isolation #65) » Tue Feb 09, 2021 3:56 pm

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In post 1464, The Bulge wrote:
In post 1451, Aristophanes wrote:Like I've read bits and I have a readslist I could post but some of the reads, like yours, have mostly stayed consistent because there simply hasn't been movement in what I've read that has given me reason to change them.
what makes you say my reads have stayed consistent? I had 2 scumreads Day 1. one flipped VT and the other is now a top townread of mine. I really don't like the inclusion of "like yours" here and I want an explanation.
No no, I mean my read on some slots, like yours, has stayed consistent lol
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In post 1459, Datisi wrote:does anyone wanna lolflashwagon and policy sirius
Honestly, the slot is more useless than mine from what I've seen and I'd be down.
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Post Post #1473 (isolation #67) » Tue Feb 09, 2021 3:58 pm

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In post 1457, Augustus Caesar wrote:
In post 1451, Aristophanes wrote:Reading should happen today.
Don't forget this!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!1
Yes Imperator, I am on it now.

I just have no drive to be here but w/e
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Post Post #1474 (isolation #68) » Tue Feb 09, 2021 3:58 pm

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In post 1472, Datisi wrote:
In post 1469, The Bulge wrote:what are your thoughts on the current wagons?
ari could use 3 more votes. deas could use 4 more.
Lol thx.
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Post Post #1476 (isolation #69) » Tue Feb 09, 2021 4:00 pm

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In post 1475, Datisi wrote:most others could use however many, math is difficult. i just want something to happen and my standards for a Good Wagon are getting low.
Yeah, I get this.

I'll do Isis I guess and see what I can come up with to help us out here.
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Post Post #1479 (isolation #70) » Tue Feb 09, 2021 4:03 pm

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In post 1477, The Bulge wrote:hahaha I was hoping you had an actual reason for that that I wasn't seeing. like come on man you're better than that lol. ok yes gotcha
I am. You're right!

What a good hype man :)

Okay, I'll get to this.
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Post Post #1483 (isolation #71) » Tue Feb 09, 2021 4:13 pm

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In post 1480, The Bulge wrote:
In post 1476, Aristophanes wrote:
In post 1475, Datisi wrote:most others could use however many, math is difficult. i just want something to happen and my standards for a Good Wagon are getting low.
Yeah, I get this.

I'll do Isis I guess and see what I can come up with to help us out here.
we can do literally anyone except Isis!!!!!!
O.o

I can't even blame autocorrect because I'm at my computer.
Uh....

Ya Iunno what to say here tbh XD
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Post Post #1484 (isolation #72) » Tue Feb 09, 2021 4:14 pm

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Isos*

I definitely meant Isos XD
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Post Post #1496 (isolation #73) » Tue Feb 09, 2021 4:35 pm

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In post 1488, Ydrasse wrote:but i also need to read Something first so put a tack in them.
I had to do a doublecheck that Something_Smart hadn't replaced into this game XD
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Post Post #1499 (isolation #74) » Tue Feb 09, 2021 4:43 pm

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In post 1494, Ydrasse wrote:VOTE: aristophanes

skimmed for sirius in his iso after he said he was down to kill sirius which like, hypocrite here, but i just don't like ari saying it. LMAO. feels like sirius has always sort of been on the table for him which is... it feels like he's been building up to be able to vote this when it's the easiest thing that someone could do this game, wagon-wise.
What a weak as fuck vote.
I have sirius on the table because they're literally a nothing slot that doesn't look like it's going to change and I'd rather just nuke it now than have to deal with this in an ELo situation.

Also, "Ari's kinda always said they'd vote Sirius so I don't like them saying they'll do it if it is an option" is fucking dumb.

Sure, it would be easy. Maybe that's part of the appeal for a slot with as much engagement in the game as I have. Maybe I also want to nuke a slot that could totally be scumbut nodoby would ever know because they're purposefully useless?

This is dumb.
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Post Post #1500 (isolation #75) » Tue Feb 09, 2021 4:44 pm

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In post 1497, Datisi wrote:considering he's on my team, that would be a bit problematic :shifty:
Hey you, toll him I miss him and we need to hydra again sometime :)
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Post Post #1507 (isolation #76) » Tue Feb 09, 2021 4:47 pm

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In post 1501, Ydrasse wrote:the issue i have w your progression on sirius is that it feels low-effort and over the course of the game, it's like...

i get you've been not here a lot and i'm expecting too much but of all the places to have efforts sirius definitely isn't the one to sort for me and the impression i got when reading your posts about sirius has been that you've wanted to keep him as an option but not one you like... believe in? does that make sense?
Sure, I can get how you might see that from my posts I suppose. They've always felt to me like a slot that will need an Elim and I don't see a way around it. Eventually they'll have to eat one because their current activity is unreadable to me and will never lead to an NK as town. Literally they just need to eat a yeet at some point and IDGAF when.

*shrugs*
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Post Post #1524 (isolation #77) » Tue Feb 09, 2021 4:56 pm

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In post 1510, Ydrasse wrote:
In post 1507, Aristophanes wrote:
In post 1501, Ydrasse wrote:the issue i have w your progression on sirius is that it feels low-effort and over the course of the game, it's like...

i get you've been not here a lot and i'm expecting too much but of all the places to have efforts sirius definitely isn't the one to sort for me and the impression i got when reading your posts about sirius has been that you've wanted to keep him as an option but not one you like... believe in? does that make sense?
Sure, I can get how you might see that from my posts I suppose. They've always felt to me like a slot that will need an Elim and I don't see a way around it. Eventually they'll have to eat one because their current activity is unreadable to me and will never lead to an NK as town. Literally they just need to eat a yeet at some point and IDGAF when.

*shrugs*
what's the actual chance you think sirius flips scum though?
Like I can't read a slot like his. I just skimmed an Iso and it's like, why am I doing this?

I'd say 50/50 but that has caveats.
Like I expect town to care less, which Sirius is showing.
But I expect scum to fluff like this to reduce content.

Their main content is that of their team and I think that's scummy.
I also like have no clue how else to read them and would be happy to not need to put in that effort.

50/50 is better than the average atm so meh.

Ninja'd like 7 fucking times GDI
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Post Post #1530 (isolation #78) » Tue Feb 09, 2021 4:59 pm

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In post 1513, Datisi wrote:
In post 1500, Aristophanes wrote:
In post 1497, Datisi wrote:considering he's on my team, that would be a bit problematic :shifty:
Hey you, toll him I miss him and we need to hydra again sometime :)
he says thank you for making him catch up on this game lol
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Post Post #1532 (isolation #79) » Tue Feb 09, 2021 5:04 pm

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In post 1527, Datisi wrote:@ari, s_s says he loves your typos
Haha my man! =D

He knows what is up when Ari tries to do a Mafia :P <3
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Post Post #1534 (isolation #80) » Tue Feb 09, 2021 5:05 pm

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In post 1529, Augustus Caesar wrote:you think there's a 50% chance Sirius flips scum, Ari? are you taking into account that any given slot has a 20% chance of flipping scum from a town perspective?
No, I'm saying I can't read the slot so it's 50/50 and making the stats up from there tbh :P

Tho I agree with you about the Ydrasse AtE on the last page so that's probably a better trajectory.
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Post Post #1535 (isolation #81) » Tue Feb 09, 2021 5:06 pm

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Although I should also say that Ydrasse, I hope you're okay... <3
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Post Post #1541 (isolation #82) » Tue Feb 09, 2021 5:10 pm

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In post 1536, Ydrasse wrote:ari i do not know which of us here is missing the joke, but one of us certainly is

<3
Uhmmmm Imma guess that's me?
This all looked very serious to me and I was legit worried about you.
In post 1537, Augustus Caesar wrote:Do you think it's fake or scum-indicative, Ari?
I mean, I thought it was fakes and scum indicative? Like it was a show put on for AtE's sake?
But now Iunno what to think.
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In post 1536, Ydrasse wrote:ari i do not know which of us here is missing the joke, but one of us certainly is

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goddamnit, prime read material missed there
I'kk still answer truthfully to my thoughts. I don;t even know whatto thinkhere.
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Post Post #1542 (isolation #83) » Tue Feb 09, 2021 5:11 pm

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In post 1539, Ydrasse wrote:....

): i'll see myself out
Ysrasse no don't go you're lots of fun! :(
In post 1540, Augustus Caesar wrote:it's okay, game throwing is quirky nowadays
See, I don't even know what this means now. WTF did I miss here!?!?

Uggh.
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Post Post #1544 (isolation #84) » Tue Feb 09, 2021 5:12 pm

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Where the hell is Xof?

I wanna play with Xof!

I saw them lamenting my lack of activity a while ago but now I'm here and they are not :(
I was really excited to play with them!
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Post Post #1545 (isolation #85) » Tue Feb 09, 2021 5:15 pm

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In post 1543, Augustus Caesar wrote:wait, what? you thought it was fake and scum-indicative but it also looked very serious to you and you were worried?

it was all in jest btw
That's good to know!

Yes, I thought it was clearly going too far to be real but also I assume things are somewhat based in reality so I was somewhat worried and the potential of it being exaggerated in order to be AtE as scum was a legit factor that seemed reasonable here so I thought it was scum indicative.

I'm empathetic, anxious, and skeptical. It made sense to me in many ways.
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Post Post #1546 (isolation #86) » Tue Feb 09, 2021 5:16 pm

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In post 1543, Augustus Caesar wrote:it was all in jest btw
Good, because legit I would have PM'd Ydrasse to see if they were okay here if it weren't for the fact that this is a Mafia game and I can't.
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Post Post #1556 (isolation #87) » Tue Feb 09, 2021 5:51 pm

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In post 1555, Augustus Caesar wrote:
In post 1509, Augustus Caesar wrote:
In post 1450, Aristophanes wrote:I have a few thoughts from Jingle but that's mostly it.
Could you spew these while you're here for me now?
This is much more useful if you say these now rather than later, Ari
Sorry, I forgot.

K if I go back far enough both Pine and Jingle said ti get rid of beeboy which is fun.
Jingle stuck by it with RCE.

Jingle thinks you have a good towncase for xof.

Lol that's literally it actually.
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Post Post #1557 (isolation #88) » Tue Feb 09, 2021 5:52 pm

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Also I didn't get to Isis because if real time interactions so, my apologies.

Bedtime tho I think
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Post Post #1569 (isolation #89) » Wed Feb 10, 2021 3:50 am

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In post 1557, Aristophanes wrote:Also I didn't get to Isis because if real time interactions so, my apologies.

Bedtime tho I think
Isos*

I'm really sorry that was honestly not on purpose.
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Post Post #1570 (isolation #90) » Wed Feb 10, 2021 3:52 am

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In post 1562, xofelf wrote:
In post 1544, Aristophanes wrote:Where the hell is Xof?

I wanna play with Xof!

I saw them lamenting my lack of activity a while ago but now I'm here and they are not :(
I was really excited to play with them!
xof is being very busy and running out of spoons before they can get to things. I'll try to put this at the top of my effort list tomorrow, okay? But you'd better be here and doing things, or I'mma be mad >:(
Ill be here :) <3

And hey if your spoons are low then dw about it. I care more about out of game interactions with you than ingame ones <3

Take care my friend!
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Post Post #1572 (isolation #91) » Wed Feb 10, 2021 3:57 am

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In post 1564, DeasVail wrote:Ari this post seems very different from your other posts
Sorry. I try not to get annoyed in games but I got annoyed by the vote and like, I know I'm approaching Elim and I know the day is winding down so the extra vote just made me feel the pressure of my team cheering me on.

I shouldn't have reacted as I did.
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Post Post #1573 (isolation #92) » Wed Feb 10, 2021 3:58 am

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In post 1571, Ydrasse wrote:hewwo ari
Hwya Ydrasse! How are you? :)

I too am home all day and tho I have a lot of other shit to get done I can check in often!

For now I need to like, shower and whatnot but yeah I'll be around intermittently :)
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Post Post #1578 (isolation #93) » Wed Feb 10, 2021 4:33 am

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In post 1575, xRECKONERx wrote:ari you have posted a LOT in 24 hours but almost none of it is reads or gamesolving or progression hm
That's true. As noted it was mostly reacting to the present and not doing Isodives as I'd hoped.

I think realtime interactions are very important so I took the chance to have them last night.
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Post Post #1579 (isolation #94) » Wed Feb 10, 2021 4:35 am

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In post 1574, Ydrasse wrote:you feel sorry for getting mad, really? huh. i had no remorse for getting that peeved LMAO

i'm okay, just doing some paperwork stuff, super super boring but i'm comfortable at least while doing it :> also this fortuitously comes at a moment where i am very into the concept of playing mafia
Quite fortuitous indeed! :)

And yeah I don't like getting worked up like that for dumb shot like Mafia haha
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Post Post #1592 (isolation #95) » Wed Feb 10, 2021 10:46 am

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In post 1585, xRECKONERx wrote:yes, my read on it is that most of what ari said is fluff/irrelevant/useless. it does not solve for the PRIMARY PROBLEM i have with ari this game and the case i laid out what feels like weeks ago at this point. like none of the points i made here have been addressed

- ari has still done nothing to address his read on me or case on me other than soft backpedaling and promising a re-read
- he still hasn't explained anything around his hard defense of beeboy from the meta push and overall weird play around that wagon
- a lot of my entire thrust was that ari spends his posts joking and trying to be part of the "in crowd" instead of trying to play the game and he has now actually admitted to just blatantly doing that by trying to get "real time reactions"...but STILL HAS NO READS/REACTIONS/INSIGHTS from it

it's just filler content for the sake of filler content. i'm happy to leave my vote where it is. your absolutely empty reasonless push on creature, btw, is noticed and tagged as distracting from the aristophanes wagon :)
Alright looking at that post you linked here.

I can address points 2 and 3 of this post though without looking back.

re: beeboy wagon
I thought I already responded to this but if not, here we go. Jingle did think that the meta argument for beeboy was good despite Datisi's linked example being not the greatest. He also told me they'd like to see RCE go as RCE did nothing towny with the slot.
My own defense of it, however, was that while we could compromise on the slot, I was more inclined to let beeboy either get replaced or get content. I don't have the same experience with his meta and thus was not as on board for a non-stot Elim.

re: "real time reactions"
I'm trying to get back into this game after whet feels like months of neglect. I find it easier to do so via talking to people when they're around and going through Isos. I am therefore prioritizing the two methods here. I agree that I've had a lot of surface play and have lacked depth. I'll change that in time.

The post in question:
In post 1354, xRECKONERx wrote:<snip>
In post 1352, DeasVail wrote:
In post 1242, xRECKONERx wrote:The xof wagon still feels mmmmmm bad. So does DV.

Might I entice you all on some juicy ARISTOPHANES?
Might some of you answer my questions re: Summer Nights?
I posted why I think Ari is town on Day 1, and given that he hasn’t posted much at all since then, I think it remains relevant.
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- RVS bullshit [feat. weak feigned serious push when: peta votes sirius]
- votes me for feeling "off" after Hectic invites him onto my wagon
- white knights Adorable while completely dodging me asking him to explain why i'm "off"
- DISAPPEARS FOR A LONG BIT
- comes back to back off of me and continue to defend Adorable while still not calling anyone suspicious or scummy
- doubles back down on defending Adorable to come all the way back around to just tunneling on me again
- peppers his next "catch up" with hearts and smiley faces and jokes and memes but doesn't actually deliver game relevant content
- defended beeboy from the meta push on him in 460 ("well xof hasn't been here either!")
- when beeboy pipes back in, Ari is a fan of giving him time to catch up and produce content
- unvotes me while still calling me scum and saying he's gonna focus on other things but spends the majority of his post still shading me?
- very supportive of RCE catching up and giving thoughts. idk. just read his posts around beeboy/RCE, they're "off" to use ari's own word
- uses teammates (anonymous teammate, not a named one, mind you) as a reason to setup a jump back onto RCE.
- NEVER votes back on RCE, never does anything about the wagon actually. shows up d2 to be like "well i guess i shoulda listened huh" and that's IT

I implore you to ISO ari. it's VERY short because there's almost nothing there. what is there is i would easily say half joking cutesy posts that don't add anything to the gamestate or put himself at risk in any way. ari has spent the game defending people or calling people town. outside of his tunneling on me, he hasn't pushed any scumreads.

actually, it's funny. there's this little neat concept called projection and whoopsie daisy what do we have here?
In post 367, Aristophanes wrote:snip

I know I'm questioned later on my wording in response to my response to this response, but what I meant by
Reck using this to tunnel them
, as I believe I put it, is that if
Reck sticks to the rage or commentary about this slot and thefact that Alts shouldn't be in this game and gimmicks are dumb rather than providing content I think that is scum indicative and a way to look busy without actually contributing
. I haven't read what they've said after that response but I'm hoping they're *doing things* because otherwise this could indicate scum!Reck. I hope that makes things clearer here.

snip
In post 378, Aristophanes wrote:snip

Lol I can hear the Clap Emotes and they aren't even here XD
Uh,
this is kind of the hyperfocusing on one thing that I was worried about with Reck WRT Hectic
. I think he's found a new target and honestly this is a pretty big red flag imo. FoS on you my friend.

snip

Oh look, Reck is still sticking on this after it's been resolved. Just like I figured they would.


Fuckit
VOTE: Reck

That was short lived.

End of pg 10.
We're getting there. Sorry everyone (:

ARISTOPHANES IS LITERALLY DOING THE EXACT THING THIS WHOLE GAME THAT HE PROJECTED ONTO ME DOING

first ari said i was tunneling/focusing on hectic by focusing on one thing the whole game so i wouldn't have to get involved elsewhere

then ari said i was doing the same thing with adorable

but ACTUALLY ari is the one that has been doing it all game. he has leaned on his scumread on ME in order to avoid doing useful shit elsewhere. like, he literally projected onto me his own guilty subconscious/anxiety lmfao. couple that with gross positioning around the RCE/beeboy wagon and i fail to see how more people aren't chomping at the bit for ari to die.
- Okay I forgot about the xof thing but I thought it was analogous at the time so meh, I don't know what you want me to say there.
- I know you said my catchup was peppered with hearts and smilies but that's also kind of my thing so ???
- I defended beeboy hoping they would create content. Why is it weird that I gave them the space to do so?
- I explained the unvote on you as well so *shrugs*
- I gave RCE the same treatment as beeboy because I wanted content from the slot. I would do that with any slot. Why is that, to use my words, "off"?
- Did I not name Jingle? It was Jingle that wanted me back on RCE.
- Yeah, iirc I was busy and disappeared. It's a common theme here. I thought you'd have picked up on that by now.
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re: the quotes and tunnelling/focusing
First I said I was worried that was what you were going to do, not that it was what you were doing, and that I'd keep an eye on it.
Then I responded to you doing what I expected to see you do to one slot on another slot and went "huh, that might be AI and what I was expecting, just in a different direction than I'd though." This after like what 15 pages of being stuck on the same benign point!? Where was I wrong?
And no, I don't think I've tunneled you this game actually. I believe I said I'd reconsider things on you many times and if you look at my posts, I've come around on you a lot. Just because something keeps reemerging doesn't make it a tunnel.
And you keep directly asking me to address the points around you, so obviously I'm giving you my time because of this. You're creating the tunnel you are perceiving which is kind of funny actually.

I guess tho to address the first bullet point of this whole thing where you say I've done nothing to address my read/case on you and have not Iso'd you or addressed my softbackpedal as you called it, all I can say is that I keep coming back to address you but your points are the same thing over and over and I don't know what else I can say on most of them any more. Maybe we should go back to reading each other based on interactions with others because clearly we're not getting anywhere via interactions between each other. That said I'm happy to address whatever you like, I merely feel like it's all just rehashing old things I've already talked about.
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Post Post #1594 (isolation #96) » Wed Feb 10, 2021 11:30 am

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In post 1593, Datisi wrote:ari do you have any actual reads and can you get onto a wagon

it's that time of day where not voting is actively anti-town because scum wants to run the clock down and i'd really love it if i didn't have to beg people to start voting as if we're playing in a newbie game

the above goes @sirius and @xof as well

stop being dead weight and vote someone
Yeah I can do that.

There's 3 days left though and a lot can change. I think you're overplaying that a bit much here.
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Post Post #1596 (isolation #97) » Wed Feb 10, 2021 11:37 am

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In post 1595, Creature wrote:Yawn man. DGB is asking why is xofelf still alive. All their posts so far reek demotivated scum.
Really? My team (Jingle) has told me Hectic's towncase for xof was pretty solid and I think they're just having a hard time engaging here.

I could ass them to my slots to iso but I have a feeling they're going to come out as town.
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Post Post #1599 (isolation #98) » Wed Feb 10, 2021 11:40 am

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Also you're not voting them so ???

Do you scumread DV more strongly? Is xof a backburner read for you?
Like not voting them but complaining about them being here and being scummy is, well, not a good look.

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Post Post #1601 (isolation #99) » Wed Feb 10, 2021 11:43 am

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In post 1598, DeasVail wrote:
In post 1596, Aristophanes wrote:I could ass them to my slots to iso but I have a feeling they're going to come out as town.
Ari I don't know what this means.
add**

Fuck man why can't I type these last couple days!?

I could Iso xof in with Sirius, Bulge, and Reck, all of whom I currently have tabbed and am trying to motivate myself to look into, but I think I'll come out with a townread so I'm not motivated to, especially with the one hoing the "ho hum" on the slot not even voting them.
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Post Post #1603 (isolation #100) » Wed Feb 10, 2021 11:44 am

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In post 1600, Creature wrote:
In post 1596, Aristophanes wrote:
In post 1595, Creature wrote:Yawn man. DGB is asking why is xofelf still alive. All their posts so far reek demotivated scum.
Really? My team (Jingle) has told me Hectic's towncase for xof was pretty solid and I think they're just having a hard time engaging here.

I could ass them to my slots to iso but I have a feeling they're going to come out as town.
Meh. Feels like we're both potato teams trying to read some useless lurky slot. One of us will be right for the wrong reasons probably.
I mean, without 3Ps in this game, having opposite reads means one of us has to be wrong and the other one right?

I don't understand.

(also, potato teams!? That's a new one for me...)
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Post Post #1605 (isolation #101) » Wed Feb 10, 2021 11:47 am

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In post 1602, Creature wrote:
In post 1599, Aristophanes wrote:Also you're not voting them so ???

Do you scumread DV more strongly? Is xof a backburner read for you?
Like not voting them but complaining about them being here and being scummy is, well, not a good look.

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I don't even know what I'm doing. I'm trying to see a world in which both xofelf and DeasVail are town and so far that world would most likely point you as scum.

rn my lynch choices are like either you or one of DV/xofelf and the latter has like my team's total support.
I guess you should vote for them then. I mean, I'm town and I think those two slots probably are soo so, well, Iunno what to tell you here.

Oh, and inb4 Reck coming in to say I'm scum with DV because DV townreads me now and I am telling you to vote somewhere else when your vote is on him even though this is totally reasonable with context considered...
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Post Post #1606 (isolation #102) » Wed Feb 10, 2021 11:48 am

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In post 1604, Creature wrote:
In post 1603, Aristophanes wrote:I mean, without 3Ps in this game, having opposite reads means one of us has to be wrong and the other one right?
Yeah, as I was saying, one of us has to win that one coin toss lottery.
Gotcha lol

Roll a d2 here and one of us has to be right but there's equal chance of either because they're realistically a full null. Understood.
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Post Post #1610 (isolation #103) » Wed Feb 10, 2021 1:48 pm

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Yeah okay I skimmed xof and they're fine. They need more spoons. But their content is good when here, or id at least making a good attempt at the game. I think that's good enough :)

I like that my pop-ins haven't changed their nosewrinkles. That feels genuine and not put on.
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Post Post #1611 (isolation #104) » Wed Feb 10, 2021 1:49 pm

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In post 1609, Adorable wrote:
In post 1596, Aristophanes wrote:
In post 1595, Creature wrote:Yawn man. DGB is asking why is xofelf still alive. All their posts so far reek demotivated scum.
Really? My team (Jingle) has told me Hectic's towncase for xof was pretty solid and I think they're just having a hard time engaging here.

I could ass them to my slots to iso but I have a feeling they're going to come out as town.
I read through RCE where he mentioned xofelf. I still don't know what to make of RCE's iso of xofelf and I see he was asking them questions.

On one of my completed scum games from another site before I got lynched with a wagon leading on me I did an iso of my scum buddy and this was for to make my scum buddy look town.
While this is possible scum usually stay away from their scumbuddies moreso and making an Isodive is less likely to be scum/scum most times.
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Post Post #1612 (isolation #105) » Wed Feb 10, 2021 2:03 pm

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In post 886, Sirius9121 wrote:
In post 828, RCEnigma wrote: Sirius/Xof were just low posters, being time strapped the idea was to get through the shorter isos first.
im not a 'low poster'

my posts are just low quality
I lol'd at this.

Also VOTE: Sirius

I know I'm fluffy at times but I can't get anything from this slot.
Creature, you want to vote a full null? This is the full null. At least xof has content.
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Post Post #1613 (isolation #106) » Wed Feb 10, 2021 2:04 pm

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Also Also yes I still need to read Reck and Bulge I just shut down each time I start.

Iunno what else to say.
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Post Post #1615 (isolation #107) » Wed Feb 10, 2021 2:44 pm

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xof, I'm around if you have the energy to talk about the game here.
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Post Post #1616 (isolation #108) » Wed Feb 10, 2021 2:45 pm

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See reading my post that feels like I needed a ":)" not a period at the end. Sorry :(
I appreciate the p.edit tho I don't think I like the vote tbh
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Post Post #1618 (isolation #109) » Wed Feb 10, 2021 3:06 pm

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In post 1617, xofelf wrote:Sure, what's up?

What don't you like?
I've been talking with the team and well, I tihnk we've landed on an Ydrasse townread. Her posts are just too laid back in a lot of ways to be coming from scum, almost as if she's not worried about how she looks.

I get that she's a lot of filler fluff but there's also a lot there to work with and I don't think this is a game where filler fluff is a good idea for scum. I just don't really see it after looking at it with this in mind.
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Post Post #1619 (isolation #110) » Wed Feb 10, 2021 3:08 pm

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In post 1430, xofelf wrote:Ydrasse switching to her main just feels like theatre, and not fun theatre. That being said, some of her points feel like good ones. I think she's noncommittal in the same sort of way I tend to be, she's just better with words and consistency. I'm not really sure what I think about her, I keep flip-flopping on whether I like her. Ceph says she's scum though, I'm not sure if I agree.
Can you tell me how you went from the above quote to the current read and where you were at vs where you are at?
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Post Post #1623 (isolation #111) » Wed Feb 10, 2021 3:28 pm

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HEY!
You are great! Don't even <3

I feel like the off-topic filler is a way to get grounded here. I do the same thing a lot. If I feel the game slipping away I try to at least be present and sometimes that's not via game-related interactions.

I think I see what you're coming from but it's also not a slot I think flips red for it.

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Post Post #1625 (isolation #112) » Wed Feb 10, 2021 3:34 pm

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In post 1621, DeasVail wrote:
In post 1618, Aristophanes wrote:
In post 1617, xofelf wrote:Sure, what's up?

What don't you like?
I've been talking with the team and well, I tihnk we've landed on an Ydrasse townread. Her posts are just too laid back in a lot of ways to be coming from scum, almost as if she's not worried about how she looks.

I get that she's a lot of filler fluff but there's also a lot there to work with and I don't think this is a game where filler fluff is a good idea for scum. I just don't really see it after looking at it with this in mind.
Ari I would argue that a lot of her posts actually seem very focused on how she looks.

Why don’t you think filler fluff is good for scum?
In a very laid back way maybe but no I don't think it's her focus.
And filler fluff in this game with these players and this gamestate is just scum asking to get limmed and I don't think scum come at it with that trajectory.
In post 1622, DeasVail wrote:Like, that’s the whole point of most of her posts. How many of her posts are about finding scum/town and how many are to look a certain way?
I feel like a lot of her posts are neither?
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Post Post #1626 (isolation #113) » Wed Feb 10, 2021 3:40 pm

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In post 1624, xofelf wrote:Okay, why not? Also, if any of your reasons are meta, that's not going to mean anything to me so, try to keep it this game focused or more mafia theory centered, yeah?
Jingle quoted me the voteon you and honestly, does scum ever go "Vote xof for now but this wagon is shit and I hate it and am gonig to change the vote later but this is a vote for now"?
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Post Post #1629 (isolation #114) » Wed Feb 10, 2021 3:48 pm

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Interesting.

Okay I think that helps me grasp you. Thanks xof <3

Sorry this is, like, the first time we've talked this game :P
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Post Post #1631 (isolation #115) » Wed Feb 10, 2021 3:59 pm

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Fixing it <3

I'm intrigued by the LSG approach to this tbh.

That said I'll have to dwell on it for the evening.
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Post Post #1633 (isolation #116) » Wed Feb 10, 2021 5:33 pm

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In post 1632, DeasVail wrote:Ari, you mentioned that your team had landed on a Ydrasse townread together, yet most of your posts since then refer to your thoughts specifically. Is there anything additional that your team has said about a Ydrasse townread? I ask because your points seem more reactionary against suspicion on Ydrasse rather than reason why Ydrasse is town.
Oh, well that's mostly because of the way I approach teamreads tbh. I think it's way better to use the team's reads an a thing to lean on and use the provided thoughts to bolster one's own in a conversational style rather than just going "x said this" "y said this". I take my teams reads seriously and thus adopt them and use the point they've presented to in proper conversation and cases.

Jingle has helped me a lot here and has some thought I have yet to present but they are things I am considering and will vocalize when the time is right.

In typing this I can see why it might lead to a scumread on me tbh but I also don't think just spewing what the team thinks is a reasonable way to play and that crafting the right read from team interactions is of a huge importance to this event.
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Post Post #1726 (isolation #117) » Thu Feb 11, 2021 6:27 pm

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Alright with time running out and Bulge suddenly being at L-1 I finally hunkered down and did the fabled Iso.

He's got a lot of posts that are townleany and a lot that are scumleany but overall I'm pretty fine with this wagon trajectory despite the votes being, uh, well like 80% naked lol.

I'll spoiler or link posts methinks so this isn't an eyesoar.

Spoiler: Gamestart Shit
In post 120, The Bulge wrote:@reck when you play scum and feel like a certain level of ~rage~ would be appropriate, do you find you are more likely to fake the emotion to fit the play, or do you prefer to allow real emotions to dictate your posting for a more natural effect?
I hated this question from the moment I read it. It's a lowball question about meta from the meta hater and I could totally see it coming form scum to scum. Literally hate this.
In post 84, The Bulge wrote:sirius what were you doing Saturday afternoon from ~2:30 to 3:30?
Did I mention that I hated this too? And like, look where he ends up with it:
In post 191, The Bulge wrote:
In post 188, Sirius9121 wrote:
In post 185, The Bulge wrote:
In post 183, Sirius9121 wrote:
In post 84, The Bulge wrote:sirius what were you doing Saturday afternoon from ~2:30 to 3:30?
sleeping probably
why did you change votes between your first two posts?
it's just RVs

why aren't I allowed to change my RVs
I don't have a problem with that, just was curious about the hour gap
This is the most pointless question.
Like if the progression had been "I think changing your vote in RVS is scummy" or anything like that, fine. But what was the literal point to any of this!?!?
It's just busywork and the fact that Bulge actually harped on Sirius to answer was bonkers.
In post 173, The Bulge wrote:
In post 145, Augustus Caesar wrote:
In post 140, The Bulge wrote:I don't necessarily disagree but they ping me as unwarranted and performative.
I agree regarding Reck, he felt over the top and performative to me, hence my initial vote.

Why do you think my reaction is unwarranted though? A player is telling me they're refusing to read any of my posts due to a picture at the bottom, how would you expect me to react?

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yea, what they said. I meant those lines from datisi feel forced. I can see the "over the top"-ness you're seeing in reck but I don't really agree with that take. I don't have a read on reck at this point.
The original post you wrote made no direction towards Datisi so I don't see how you changed this from "I disagree with the read despite thinking Reck and Hectic are being performative" to "I meant that Datisi's reads felt forced" when it's literally not what you said lol. Also dislike the null on Reck here but meh.
In post 193, The Bulge wrote:wait back up
In post 181, Datisi wrote:
In post 176, The Bulge wrote:for me it's that + calling an interaction tvt completely unsolicited when it isn't even really so much a topic of discussion att. it pinged me like a bad faith clickbait headline, jafeel?
there is a specific reason why this reasoning from you is kinda bothering me right now

i'm p sure i did something similar to that in the last game we played in together so i'm not sure why you're having problems with it here?
similar to what exactly?
I actually quoted this because I liked it and Bulge addressing this head on felt good but as I reread it looks like a way to incite activity without actually doing anything because it's pretty clear Datisi meant the t/t reads here. I don't see how you missed that as someone literally in the conversation.

I kind of disliked the entire section of talking about another game but I'll set that aside.
In post 247, The Bulge wrote:
In post 198, Datisi wrote:eh, i felt it was decently similar enough that i don't see why you'd be suspicious of me here but i don't think we're gonna get anything more out of this
what did you mean when you said it was "bothering" you?
Datisi clearly stopped the convo here so I don't see why you were chasing it. Also asking what they meant by "bothering"? Like that feels extremely obvious to me in its context. This is what I mean by like, forced easy content. Looks good and busy but what did any of it accomplish?


Spoiler: Another spoiler just to break things up tbh
In post 249, The Bulge wrote:I agree re: 0-1 scum in dv/peta
You never circled back to this. When did it change?

Tbh with the push you put on Peta throughout the phase I don't see them being your NK choice but I also think that's not a good reason to give you townpoints as you would have a scumteam that could have made the decision despite you because peta was pretty towny. That's just an Ari ramble but I thought I'd include it.
In post 337, The Bulge wrote:ari's comeback post? not so much

VOTE: Aristophanes
I hated this vote. It didn't address anything. It just, was a vote. No explanation of why the post looked bad to you, just a note that you don't "vibe with it"?? Thanks, I hate it.
In post 516, The Bulge wrote:
In post 402, Creature wrote:
In post 318, Creature wrote:
In post 9, Datisi wrote:woo!

VOTE: sirius
This is probably town
Oh right I did. Just forgot to note it down earlier
lol? I thought of this when i asked you about datisi earlier, I... really didn't think this was meant to be a relevant read of his alignment
I'd have liked to see a lot more prodding on this from town pointing it out. I guess it's fine though.
In post 651, The Bulge wrote:
In post 584, Adorable wrote:Sirius said innocent boy likes peta +town and is that the only town read innocent has? I have 6 players I am town reading and petapan is one of those players I'm still trying to figure out their alignment.
someone on the outside looking into this game is probably not making a huge deal about reading thoroughly/keeping their thoughts in order.
I hate this blatant disregard of team input. Huge scumpoints for the discredit here.
In post 518, The Bulge wrote:
In post 450, xRECKONERx wrote:can you reconcile these two posts? In one, you say you've been paranoid of people defending you bc they might be scum. In the other, you say someone defended you so they must be town for defending you because scum would push you.

this is a contradiction. again.
she said her teammates advised her to be wary of being pocketed and that she disagreed. not a contradiction.
Following it up by acknowledging the team's points was also really weird. I just don't like the juxtaposition of these two posts at all.


I should really be making each of these its own post but we're fucking committed at this point so whatever XD

Spoiler: Iunno where to split this but it's the Datisi reveal
In post 654, petapan wrote:
In post 650, The Bulge wrote:in like an ari-meta way, or like, are you implying only town can type out their thoughts as they come?
it felt stream of consciousness-y in a believable way
In post 650, The Bulge wrote:lmao my guy I mentioned it once. I had to bounce and didn't want to drop a naked vote on someone I have more than a gutread on. you asked about, reck asked about, deas has mentioned it, datisi has mentioned it.

also how much time do you think I need to come up with one fake scumread hahaha. I've been scum more than a handful of times, I know what I'm doing. I haven't even given a name yet, you think scum!me can't find a single shred of justification for literally any townie in the game? that....kinda hurts lol

also you are familiar enough with my play even just from Antechamber alone to know that procrastination is NAI for me. in fact I seriously don't think town!you could throw out some "people tend to procrastinate more as scum" bullshit with a straight face regardless of who you were applying that to. it's just so weak. you were coming up with far better shit to shade me for in Antechamber and we were both town.

yea this post sucks, dude.
i mean, like, i've missed before so i'm hesitant and am generally feeling dispassionate but AtEing me over some past game isn't gonna make me stop doing shit and in fact just makes me want to push harder. i think you've been sideline-y in a scummy way and dont understand the hesitance to name a simple gutread
In post 655, The Bulge wrote:I am working on a case as we speak. as I specifically stated, it is more than a gutread, hence why no, I will not be throwing it away on a whim simply for your satisfaction. the fact that you are trying to rush information out of me when I have already made it abundantly clear that I want to spend time on it, and then calling ME scummy for refusing to cater to some scumfuck's demands? please.
This reaction was waaaaaaaay over the top.
In post 661, The Bulge wrote:drumroll please

I already talked about why initially pinged me with a few earlier posts. Datisi's defense was a weird awkward self-meta attempt that only made me feel stronger about my pings.
In post 181, Datisi wrote:
In post 176, The Bulge wrote:for me it's that + calling an interaction tvt completely unsolicited when it isn't even really so much a topic of discussion att. it pinged me like a bad faith clickbait headline, jafeel?
there is a specific reason why this reasoning from you is kinda bothering me right now

i'm p sure i did something similar to that in the last game we played in together so i'm not sure why you're having problems with it here?
In post 187, Datisi wrote:
In post 182, The Bulge wrote:well now you're assuming I would remember something like that and that I would care if I did
i thought you'd remember how i started a flashwagon on your scumbuddy

/shrug idunno i thought it would be relevant to bring up if you're thinking i'm scum for something that's nai for me at worst but ok iguess
In post 251, Datisi wrote:
In post 247, The Bulge wrote:
In post 198, Datisi wrote:eh, i felt it was decently similar enough that i don't see why you'd be suspicious of me here but i don't think we're gonna get anything more out of this
what did you mean when you said it was "bothering" you?
it's like, you're in my townleans atm, but in my mind you disliking those posts is a point against town!you. it's not a particularly strong point, but it's There, like a tiny pebble in my shoe.
the way he tries to turn it around on me by threatening his townlean on me is hilarious. and I despise how he calls off our discussion because we're not "gonna get anything more out of this", and then immediately proceeds to shade me? and like, if i am slipping out of your townleans, that's when you want to cut me loose of the convo? what scumhunting strategy is that? and now since then, he has done a full 180 on me, which like, on its own sure, other shit has happened since then, but it's still incredibly scummy to me.


then there's this weird nervous jokey self-awareness I have been noticing more the further we get into the game. note the increasing frequency (imagine this as a line graph! game time on x, datisi's fake-sounding overly-self-aware posts on y, would be interesting to compare to how much people are throwing his name around in thread maybe)
In post 451, Datisi wrote: ok wow this the only thing i'm talking about in this post is myself uhhh
In post 535, Datisi wrote:ok i need to actually post something ok let's see.

ok i understand beeboy is doing the scum!beeboy thing but sources tell me that sometimes, just Sometimes beeboy does not play as town in a similar manner to this. (and a lightning quick meta search confirmed this.) so i'd like to ask the good people to not yet yeet. also you are free to now start discussing whether this post makes me a more or less likely partner for beeboy, i'm looking forward to it.

[snip]
jesus this post is saying nothing of value
my teammates are gonna be disappointed
In post 558, Datisi wrote: - no i'm not trying to make a meta argument on why i'm XYZ alignment here, please lower the shotgun reck, i'm just illustrating that i'm usually not stingy with my votes)
In post 559, Datisi wrote:yes i'm aware i'm potentially being unfair going from memory as opposed to like, actually opening iso's and rereading them to see, but i'm gonna be arrogant enough to say that if i don't remember anything worthwhile from the slot, maybe the slot hasn't done anything worthwhile.
In post 618, Datisi wrote:
insert: complaint how right now there is more than one person who is policy-able and that is sapping my will to even try. does that kinda complaint make me +town or +scum? anyway.
[snip]
also i'm an anxious person in general. up to the reader to determine if it's town or scum anxiety, i guess.
In post 620, Datisi wrote:VOTE: bulge
now if i'm the bulge's vanity vote, i can call bulge scum for omgusing, oh my god i'm a genuis.
that last one also suggests to me that Datisi suspects he was my ~secret read~, and is nervous about what I might say, and unwilling to engage me directly on it.
Ah, the long anticipated case on Datisi! Wonderful!

It comes in 2 parts. Part 1 is really weak and I think it misrepresents Datisi's interactions here. He isn't threatening the townlean on you, but presenting a reason the read is troubled. That's reasonable play and I don't see why you'd hate it.
Part 2 is well, bland. I like the jokey self-awareness and I don't see it as AI. I also see no reason you in that post for you to see it as AI. Like you're not presenting it as scummy despite this being a scum case, and that weak push without horns pings me here. Also you pre-shade Datisi's response to the case by saying his preemptive vote for you is a way to get out of responding to you directly?? Wtf is that?
In post 677, The Bulge wrote:
In post 668, petapan wrote:really took you that long to put that shit together?
????????

yes peta, for 30 hours I toiled over my case. I didnt sleep last night, or go to work today or yesterday, nor did I just spend the time right when I got home responding to other parts of the game.

this is the shit I was talking about. you don't believe this push because you know that is not how the game works.
petapan was calling your case weak and thrown together, not actually saying they thought it took you 30 hours. Your response as if it is the latter is bad and I don't like the over the top reply to him.
In post 963, The Bulge wrote:I'm not gonna go through all the effort of fully catching up or rejigging my reads if there is an impending flip. but i agree with hectic/datisi here about the claim. granted i was extremely wrong about not believing the Day 4 IC claim in a recent mini normal so I am feeling very paranoid about taking that stance but eh I don't like it.
A built in safety net to the post. Nice!
In post 964, The Bulge wrote:also @peta/datisi, ive seen your most recent responses to me. looking over my iso this game there's a lot I don't feel good about anymore but idk
Ooo and a pre-backpedal to your earlier posts. And (I believe via what I assume to be a day split but am not checking) a way to change your petapan pushes without taking any accountability once they flip. Wonderful!


Spoiler: Mandela effect? And I think we're on D2 now but Isos are a funny thing.
In post 1090, The Bulge wrote:I started reading from the top yesterdsy and taking notes (!) which I've never really done before. I don't think Datisi is plausibly scum anymore, but I did think I had found something re:peta!scum that turns out was nothing at all. I'll check in again once I get more reading done.
In post 1142, The Bulge wrote:okokok taking notes is actually proving very fruitful

idk what im gonna do with it all (ie presentation-wise) once im done and im only thru the first 20 pages but my reads are coming together nicely and my head is feeling clear, and I'm done with making "catching up brb" posts for the time being.

any questions for now, datisi and hectic?
Okay Imma be honest, I like that they took notes. Though with this event that could be a team effort and I'm not really sure that it's towny because of that. But I like it anyway.
In post 1173, The Bulge wrote:uh last time I mentioned that I was gonna Do a Thing everyone blew it out of proportion and somehow really Mandela Effect-ed how much I hyped it up (I mentioned it once as a little note-to-self without ever intending to set any expectations) so I just want to be super super clear right now that 1. that was some unfair bullshit and 2. I have no idea what I'm going to do with all my notes once I've caught up. maybe there'll be a readslist, maybe a neatly formatted wall, maybe straight copy+pasted scratch from my .txt file. maybe I'll jump right back into real-time shit without a hassle. who knows! don't box me in! the world is my oyster!


that being said, Datisi, lets call it "later today probably", although I seriously doubt the whole game is waiting on just me right now.
That said, I haaaaaaaate this post! It's some revisionist history shit!

The original post in question:
In post 522, The Bulge wrote:I have a big vanity vote I wanna throw down but it might require some work and I have to get ready now. hang tight
Was this really Mandela Effected!? You told us it was going to be big. You told us to hang tight. You told us it would take work. This is all like BIG HYPE stuff! I got really excited about the idea when I read this little post! So 1. the expectations were not unfair. Your framing of it as our problem feels like a way to blame us for the flop of a case that ended up being when it was posted. That's probably a mean way of me to say it but I can't think of another way to and this has been a lot of words all at once so I apologize for that.

Post I'm not linking because nestled spoilers either break the spoilers or break the site so Imma stay away.
I like that you followed through. That's huge! I appreciate it so much and think it's a thing you should do in your future games!
I'm not a fan of the commentary or the conclusions, but it's too much to get into directly at this point. The reactions feel like a surface engagement with the posts and sometimes are merely descriptions thereof. It's good effort and I love the colours and honestly the effort in this post is my best reason to townread you right now. Also blue was a nice choice for me :)


Spoiler: closing statements and some fun
In post 1328, The Bulge wrote:I saw it. I like it.
I was waiting for dv to respond to it some more

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ftfy :P
(Yes, that's the only reason I quoted this post iirc)
In post 1439, The Bulge wrote:
In post 1402, Datisi wrote:also i find it funny that the above post said the word "reread" 3 times
I also find it funny considering it has been 3 weeks since ari last talked about his read of me, and since then he has only given his word several times to isodive me. did that ever happen, ari?

why are you clinging to an ancient scumlean you never really even substantiated in the first place instead of just saying you have nothing and need to reset? how caught up are you, and when did that reading happen?
The Isodive finally happened. Asking me if it happened when it clearly hadn't was meh. Very rhetorical. Do you know the history behind Rhetorical argumentation and questioning? It's not flattering.
In post 1447, The Bulge wrote:hmmmmm reactions to my readslist/notespost make me nervous I'll be the nk target.
Thisis an attempt to townspew and I hate it lol
In post 1713, The Bulge wrote:lmao what the fuck

all the votes are bad except hectic's which is just wrong. I've got some time slotted for this tonight, hope some of you will be around.
I kinda wish you'd have come back. Alas.
I think the wagon sucks because it's basically naked votes but I am also not against it at all. I suppose this is intent, but I should do that in a different post entirely and would rather wait for you to at least get a chance to read all of this before we think about doing anything here so I guess it's not really intent lol



Oooooo! I got ninja'd by Bulge!
Honestly, I am probably going to bed so I may not be able to engage actively tn but I hope this incites some interactive thought.
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Post Post #1728 (isolation #118) » Thu Feb 11, 2021 6:34 pm

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In post 1727, The Bulge wrote:ok I was gonna quickly reply to a few things I saw at the start but the more I read you're uh misrepping me in almost every single quote there, at least in the first two spoilers I've read so far. I have to run for now, but I'm definitely tackling this later.
Coolio, sorry if it's misrepresenting you but this was how I saw the interactions from a mostly Isolated place.
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Post Post #1729 (isolation #119) » Fri Feb 12, 2021 1:40 am

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In post 1720, The Bulge wrote:
In post 1564, DeasVail wrote:
In post 1499, Aristophanes wrote:
In post 1494, Ydrasse wrote:VOTE: aristophanes

skimmed for sirius in his iso after he said he was down to kill sirius which like, hypocrite here, but i just don't like ari saying it. LMAO. feels like sirius has always sort of been on the table for him which is... it feels like he's been building up to be able to vote this when it's the easiest thing that someone could do this game, wagon-wise.
What a weak as fuck vote.
I have sirius on the table because they're literally a nothing slot that doesn't look like it's going to change and I'd rather just nuke it now than have to deal with this in an ELo situation.

Also, "Ari's kinda always said they'd vote Sirius so I don't like them saying they'll do it if it is an option" is fucking dumb.

Sure, it would be easy. Maybe that's part of the appeal for a slot with as much engagement in the game as I have. Maybe I also want to nuke a slot that could totally be scumbut nodoby would ever know because they're purposefully useless?

This is dumb.
Ari this post seems very different from your other posts
I had this exact thought
Okay...so what does that mean to you? Or is this just "lol same fam plzdontkillme"??
In post 1583, Ydrasse wrote:
In post 1580, xRECKONERx wrote:
In post 1576, Ydrasse wrote:
In post 1575, xRECKONERx wrote:ari you have posted a LOT in 24 hours but almost none of it is reads or gamesolving or progression hm
what do you think about the things he has posted then?
...that none of it reads as gamesolving or progression

are you like, reading the fucking post you're quoting
“almost none of it”

yes i am reading your post
this interaction in particular moves reck up on my list a couple spots and brings ydrasse down a few. individually their recent posting has me leaning this way as well.
I thought the opposite when reading it. Ydrasse is pushinfg for the details Reck is omitting. Why is that scummy?
In post 1638, Datisi wrote:the only "towny" thing i recall from ydrasse in this entire game is her throwing a fit at eod1. that's it. do i think she's scummy? eh, not quite. but not sure anyone in this game fits "scummy" right now. i don't mind voting her. i do think her townread or whatever on me is like... not good.
this made me realize I have the same read of ydrasse.
So an ease compromise slot you don't have to mean. Cool.
In post 1647, Ydrasse wrote:can i not be scums eod push again lol
datisi called this as well, but this looks almost like a slip to me. I'm not talking tmi, I mean like how scum under pressure might be prone to throwing shade wherever it might stick, and ydrasse momentarily forgot what she was implying with peta already being flipped. I'm not satsified with the followup to this either.
This just reads as frustration to me. I mean, your point is possible but it seems unlikely.
In post 1664, Augustus Caesar wrote:Regarding Ydrasse:

read her town ISO here
and then compare that ISO to any of her scumgames

the reason I don't hold as much water in this reason is that it's actually the reason I used to townlock her in that very linked game, which means she's very aware of it.

But even still, excessive shitposting/flavour is town-indicatve OR NAI for Ydrasse, but not scum-indicative
pulling a page from reck's book here

I don't blanket-hate on meta to the extent he does, but meta townreads like this are indeed trash. I've said before, the more you talk about someone's meta, the less reliable a meta read becomes. the more meta-driven players there are in any given playerlist, the less reliable meta becomes. ESPECIALLY for townreads. especially for a slot that has been blatantly buddying you all game. are you not at all concerned you're being pocketed?
"Town meta is trash guys"
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In post 1654, Augustus Caesar wrote:VOTE: The Bulge

my case is

the reaction to peta's prodding feels over the top and like The Bulge is trying to appear strong/looking for a fight

the case on Datisi also feels over the top for the reasons given - "incredibly scummy to me"

My one read that resembles a scumread is a toneread. these are dark days
here is a snapshot of peta's deathtunnel on me in Smoke Filled Antechamber. we were both town.
In post 3267, petapan wrote:
In post 3262, The Bulge wrote:
In post 3121, petapan wrote:
In post 3027, Nahdia wrote:
In post 2989, SirCakez wrote:Well for starters I'd argue that both only becoming active when all of the conftown came out is scum indicative in itself
Both have been essentially attacking and trying to discredit the other people in the not-conftown pool who suspect them when it should be pretty obvious to both of them why they are suspected
uh, why is that first thing scum indicative? all the conftown coming out narrowed the pool significantly, making it easier to get a footing in this game. if anything, i would say disappearing when all the conftown appear is scummier, since you would imagine scum could get discouraged when that happens.
what

no that's like the exact opposite of reality and should be especially clear from your POV

look at it this way: we are in a reality where, unless you or bell are scum, virtually the entire groupscum faction went largely under the radar on day 1 and faced no serious pressure. sure, the traitor died, but up until now, whoever it is has done a very good job of keeping out of the spotlight. they have been successfully flying under the radar. suddenly half the game is claiming masons and the pool of potential votes just got very, very narrow. whoever it is can no longer afford to simply hide away, they have to suddenly appear the most town, they have to show WIM and effort, a sudden burst is likely to get viewed favorably.
why didn't you just fucking vote me in this post lmao
blow me fuckboy
you can feel free to joint iso us, if you scroll back earlier you get the real meat of our debate when it's a little more civilized. this might be actually a useful or pertinent read for you if that's your thing. my point is there is a precedent for the tone I took against peta.

over the top? I had two points lol. but I already renounced that post and the read along with it, so have at it I guess.
"btw here's some on my town meta guys!"
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Post Post #1770 (isolation #120) » Fri Feb 12, 2021 2:40 pm

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Coool not Limming Bulge then. Sorry we made you out.

I might have been confbiased when I wrote my case but honestly as scum I'd have probably just LOLhammered there.

I can address direct things if anyone wants but I mean, apparently I was wrong despite what I thought was a lot of evidence for Scum!Bulge.

I saw both my reason for finding a lot of scummy points and my timing for making the posts both come into question here and well, for the former I really don't see how that would help me as scum. Make a big series of posts calling him scum just to have him flip town? Why!?
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Post Post #1771 (isolation #121) » Fri Feb 12, 2021 2:40 pm

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In post 1769, Augustus Caesar wrote:VOTE: Ari L-2

grumble grumble

Would appreciate if people actually came on and answered questions
I'm literally right here man. What's up
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Post Post #1773 (isolation #122) » Fri Feb 12, 2021 2:43 pm

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In post 1772, Augustus Caesar wrote:
In post 1770, Aristophanes wrote:I might have been confbiased when I wrote my case but honestly as scum I'd have probably just LOLhammered there.
...why?

You don't think you would've been immediately flipped the next day? Also, you only had 2 votes at the time.
Because it would have been low-effort and even town!me was tempted :P

I'm glad I have the sense not to do that though.
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Post Post #1776 (isolation #123) » Fri Feb 12, 2021 2:46 pm

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In post 1774, Ydrasse wrote:hey ari, i've got a question for you!

why did you describe your case on bulge as scumleany with some townleany posts? i'm reading over it right now and it really just like... reads like a scumread/scumcase? i don't know if there's like a separation in your mind between those terms but it feels like you're misrepresenting what your actual read on bulge is when you phrase it like that. like we're supposed to look at it like you're being fair and impartial but it doesn't translate.
I outlined some of the posts I liked there and some that as I wrote about them my mind changed. Honestly it was intended to be impartial but obviously that's not what transpired.
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Post Post #1787 (isolation #124) » Fri Feb 12, 2021 2:53 pm

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In post 1780, Ydrasse wrote:
In post 1776, Aristophanes wrote:
In post 1774, Ydrasse wrote:hey ari, i've got a question for you!

why did you describe your case on bulge as scumleany with some townleany posts? i'm reading over it right now and it really just like... reads like a scumread/scumcase? i don't know if there's like a separation in your mind between those terms but it feels like you're misrepresenting what your actual read on bulge is when you phrase it like that. like we're supposed to look at it like you're being fair and impartial but it doesn't translate.
I outlined some of the posts I liked there and some that as I wrote about them my mind changed. Honestly it was intended to be impartial but obviously that's not what transpired.
so did you put scumleany/townleany before or after you wrote the case? or can you like, show me what points you think are the "townleany" ones? i really don't get any of that at all and it looks like you just double down on scumread which like, fair since it doesn't seem like you much liked bulge's replies, but it looks pre-determined.
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Post Post #1789 (isolation #125) » Fri Feb 12, 2021 2:57 pm

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In post 1782, Augustus Caesar wrote:Ari, can you link me your
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I can do you that very easily! :)

Mafia Cafe
Here I replaced Radiant Cowbells and IIRC won it singlehandedly for my team.

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I mean, I had Pine as a coach but this sticks out as one of my finest!

Those are 100% the two I would point to any time :)
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Post Post #1790 (isolation #126) » Fri Feb 12, 2021 2:58 pm

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In post 1781, Augustus Caesar wrote:do you mean he started at the conclusion that the Bulge was scum and then tried to find reasons to fit that view? that's the vibe it gives me as well

also, you're not picking up your phone
My phone? Hmm??

I had my predisposition towards Bulge but I tried to be fair but it ended up a scum case. Wtf do you want me to say here? lol
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Post Post #1791 (isolation #127) » Fri Feb 12, 2021 2:59 pm

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In post 1783, Ydrasse wrote:
In post 1034, Aristophanes wrote:*looks at VC*
Oof, are we that bad at pronouns here?

Uhm, I'm really sorry I've not been motivated to be here. I'm trying to change that.

I have word from a teammate that RCE is still the best option for Elimination today despite some of the meta for beeboy being imperfect.
I'll mention intent but with basically that means I'll hammer if we get too close to deadline.

Sorry again. I just feel like there is so much to do and so I'm putting it all off, as if that's a good solution :roll:

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That took me like a minute to write how was I ninja'd by literally 5 posts??
also ari, which teammate said this?
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Post Post #1792 (isolation #128) » Fri Feb 12, 2021 3:00 pm

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In post 1786, Ydrasse wrote:and then he goes into replying to bulge which is like... there wasn't much good faith there? a question or two, but it was shady and didn't seem like he cared too much about the results even of what he asked
He was being shady and cagey! I was trying to highlight this and get interactions out of him.
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Post Post #1793 (isolation #129) » Fri Feb 12, 2021 3:01 pm

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In post 1788, Ydrasse wrote:VOTE: aristophanes

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p-edit: what does impression of fairness mean???
I mean I did not go in with the intention of scumcasing him despite my scumread on the slot but as I went through that is what it became. That's it. That's what I've said like 3 times now.
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Post Post #1798 (isolation #130) » Fri Feb 12, 2021 3:11 pm

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In post 1795, Augustus Caesar wrote:Ari, do you ever fake anger or frustration as scum? Just explain your scumrange for me and whether you're out of it in this game
I try not to fake things as scum and it's part of why I have a bad scumgame. I get afraid of positng becasue I'll sound disingenuous and it cripples me. The games I've done well in as scum had reasons I was good.

Mafia Cafe was because of the slot I replaced in to. Pine was a coach in Camn's Revenge, as noted. I could also link Matrix No Reveal which just popped into my head as one of few good scum games, but the lack of reveals is why I did well. Just like in the recent Chain of Command game where I knew and could control more so I could supplement my lack of ability to case people and sound genuine with mechanical crutches.

I think my activity at the start of the game and the fact that I could even attempt this series of posts towards bulge is out of my scumrange.
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Post Post #1810 (isolation #131) » Fri Feb 12, 2021 3:17 pm

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All of this said I really need to improve my scumgame haha

Thanks, I feel like I can at least breathe again here.

I think the most reasonable pivot is onto Sirius here but also it sucks to have such a null slot be the best Lim after this helluva day for the game.
Do you have a better idea of where scum might be?

I've been recently told Reck is probably town so that takes the air out of all my interesting leads this game so far.

Ninja'd a lot lol I'll read up.
This was written in response to the Unvote post.
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Post Post #1970 (isolation #132) » Sat Feb 13, 2021 4:08 pm

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In post 1963, xRECKONERx wrote:I was literally checking in to see if I need to hammer and Creature unvotes. Are you fucking serious.
I though you were refusing to hammer DV or xof?
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In post 1958, Augustus Caesar wrote:How you doing, Ari?
Meh, really tired tbh. But also tried to sleep early and couldn't?

I know that's not actually your question and it was merely an acknowledgement that I have indeed checked the site but I thought I'd answer.

I have no clue what the best course of action here is but I don't like the idea that DV is the Lim.

Ih, I read stuff from Reck amd Bulhe but I don't see where a response will change anything there and I'll probably just be snarky and/ir start a fight and we really don't need that distraction rn. Especially from our claimed tpr and a vocal probably-town-accirding-to-team-reads player.

Fucking mega ninja'd geez
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Post Post #1980 (isolation #134) » Sat Feb 13, 2021 4:15 pm

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In post 1975, xRECKONERx wrote:
In post 1970, Aristophanes wrote:
In post 1963, xRECKONERx wrote:I was literally checking in to see if I need to hammer and Creature unvotes. Are you fucking serious.
I though you were refusing to hammer DV or xof?
I don't want to but literally a town lim is better than no lim since it at least PROGRESSES the game

We don't lim anybody, we're stuck in these same circual fucking stagnant arguments tomorrow just with a dead PR if Bulge isn't lying
I agree, we need a lim to move the game forward. Seems reasonable entirely tbh
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Post Post #1982 (isolation #135) » Sat Feb 13, 2021 4:16 pm

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In post 1981, Creature wrote:Deas is town. What can we do now with a tight time?
VOTE: Ydrasse?
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Post Post #2050 (isolation #136) » Sat Feb 13, 2021 6:18 pm

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Oh we're back on Sirius for like the 3rd time today?

Neat. I feel like hes far more difficult to lim than he should be tbh
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Post Post #2063 (isolation #137) » Sat Feb 13, 2021 6:27 pm

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I'm here and can hammer but I don't wamt to cut ppl off, especially Bulge
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Post Post #2065 (isolation #138) » Sat Feb 13, 2021 6:28 pm

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Reck I'm town okay, just bad.

We need to work through this eventually
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Post Post #2066 (isolation #139) » Sat Feb 13, 2021 6:29 pm

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In post 2064, The Bulge wrote:I've said my piece but we should get a claim.
Sure, not holding my breath tho
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Post Post #2067 (isolation #140) » Sat Feb 13, 2021 6:42 pm

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Updated from Augustus'
Votecount.Ari


[1] DeasVail:
The Bulge
[2] Ydrasse:
xofelf, Ari
[5] Sirius9121:
Augustus, Ydrasse, DV, Adorable, Reck
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Creature, Datisi

[1] Not Voting:
Sirius9121

With 11 alive, it takes 6 to exterminate
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Post Post #2069 (isolation #141) » Sat Feb 13, 2021 6:52 pm

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Thanks Isis!

@Sirius
Claim now plz
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Post Post #2072 (isolation #142) » Sat Feb 13, 2021 6:56 pm

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As in VT right?

Cool beans

Final thoughts?
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Post Post #2077 (isolation #143) » Sat Feb 13, 2021 7:00 pm

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I mean, I hold intent to hammer in a short time and I don't think IV's promise here nor your claim are enough to change that.

So like, final tidbits to contribute would be great if you have them.
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Post Post #2079 (isolation #144) » Sat Feb 13, 2021 7:01 pm

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In post 2076, Sirius9121 wrote:
In post 568, Sirius9121 wrote:
In post 535, Datisi wrote:have your teammates weighed in on this game at all?
iconeum has given up on me and has told me that he's treating this game as schrodinger's cat.
I want to know what you have to say, not IV and Ico.

And what, the game is both won and lost until we flip everyone? Lol

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Post Post #2081 (isolation #145) » Sat Feb 13, 2021 7:04 pm

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In post 2078, Sirius9121 wrote:my teammates didn't even feed me fake content

like ico and IV are both good at scum

what is the world where i and beeboy are scum, two super inactive slots, and teammates (gypyx, iconeum, iv) just let me shitpost and give little content
is the world thats quite stupid where this was a strategy which is ducking stupid
I feel that. I don't know that you flip scum but yku will need to flip eventually because I don't think yku should be anywhere near ELo tbh.

Is it unlikely you and beeboy were partners? I mean RNG is the king so it's entirely possible. I do see the points about shitposting but still.
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Post Post #2082 (isolation #146) » Sat Feb 13, 2021 7:05 pm

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In post 2080, Sirius9121 wrote:this is a team mafia game and that we are esssentially a hydra so what is the insistence on me being the only content producer?
Well you said Ico gave up on the game and IV hasn't given you anything to go on so I don't think it matters and they aren't here to give thoughts now, you are. Thus that's what I want wtm.

Do you have a readslist?
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Post Post #2084 (isolation #147) » Sat Feb 13, 2021 7:09 pm

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Deal XD
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Post Post #2086 (isolation #148) » Sat Feb 13, 2021 7:19 pm

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I wouldn't be that hard on yourself tbh

But I take it that's a no on the readslist?
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Post Post #2092 (isolation #149) » Sat Feb 13, 2021 7:24 pm

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Sirius9121 wrote:
In post 2086, Aristophanes wrote:I wouldn't be that hard on yourself tbh

But I take it that's a no on the readslist?
I have a giant mess of ideas instead of an organized list


I also am kinda sick and have a headache because of limits and derivatives
Sorry to hear that. I know you mentioned it earlier and I hope it goes away.

I appreciate what you have there! Its something to help us post-flip at least :)
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Post Post #2095 (isolation #150) » Sat Feb 13, 2021 7:26 pm

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In post 2089, Sirius9121 wrote:I mean I'm down to vote ador/dv/ydra in order
In post 2090, Sirius9121 wrote:which are coincidentally all on my wagon

starting to think there a traitor somewhere in those three
Do you scumread the 3?

Ninja'd
Gonna look at that!
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Post Post #2096 (isolation #151) » Sat Feb 13, 2021 7:29 pm

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In post 2094, Sirius9121 wrote:aristo probtown for engaging me idk
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So Iike that chart, its a cool way to lay things out
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Post Post #2103 (isolation #152) » Sat Feb 13, 2021 7:34 pm

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Hectic I swear to god if I see you change your vote here...
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Post Post #2109 (isolation #153) » Sat Feb 13, 2021 7:37 pm

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Augustus Caesar wrote:
In post 2103, Aristophanes wrote:Hectic I swear to god if I see you change your vote here...
lol
if you're scared you should hammer
Ya I considered it in that post.

Just don't blow our chances for a Lim today lol
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Post Post #2116 (isolation #154) » Sat Feb 13, 2021 7:44 pm

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I gotta end the AtE (and also sleep soon)

Hectic, we good or did you want more time?
Sirius9121 wrote:if I can get 5 votes in 2 hours, ydrasse, and puff, or DV, can get their 3 to 4 votes in 4 hours eh
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Post Post #2117 (isolation #155) » Sat Feb 13, 2021 7:45 pm

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In post 2115, Sirius9121 wrote:
In post 2113, Augustus Caesar wrote:lol I don't think you've been reading the game if you think I'd vote Ydrasse
...
He has a soulread there lol
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Post Post #2120 (isolation #156) » Sat Feb 13, 2021 7:51 pm

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Aye aye!

With that,
VOTE: Sirius

It was fun, I look forward to seeing you around the site more :)
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Post Post #2158 (isolation #157) » Tue Feb 16, 2021 3:48 am

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I was absolutely expecting a Bulge death but I think scum were probably looking to nk the Mason pair so if they found one, I really hope the associative tells aren't there with the other for them to root out.

Bulge, we get that you're obvtown! XD
That's 2/9 slots conftowned now, even if one is a mystery atm. That's awesome!

Reck, Creature, why oh why are you voting me?
Reck, we need to get over this. My team thinks you're likely town last I checked in. I'm also town. Please try to consider things.
Like look at the EoD last phase. Does scum prod Sirius for info? Would I not have hammered Bulge?
I get that we've been at each other since the start but I mean, it feels like you've gone full tunnel and I feel helpless to stop it.
Also I like your Avatar, it's amazing! But I haven't commented yet in case you think I'm pandering or trying to suck up. But honestly, I think it's hilarious and clever :)

Creature, is this a blind sheep or are you voting me for a good reason?

Hectic, why did I drop off of your town reads overnight?
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Post Post #2193 (isolation #158) » Tue Feb 16, 2021 10:58 am

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In post 2187, xofelf wrote:And it sure felt like trying to get as many claims out in one shot as possible, and I hate that shit.
I felt this very hard and tbh I felt like it was Hectic driving a lot of the chaos.

Jingle put me on to a possible deepwolf there and iirc both Bulge and Sirius mentioned it in passing too.
I may make a case for that finally this phase now that I'm saying something about it because I've felt unease on the slot for a while now but have been letting it ruminate for fear I was totally offbase.
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Post Post #2194 (isolation #159) » Tue Feb 16, 2021 10:59 am

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(I know there's more posts I'll get to it)
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Post Post #2204 (isolation #160) » Tue Feb 16, 2021 1:49 pm

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I think that limits your ability and I don't think it is proper in this case.

Leashing a vig is reasonable. Leashing a doc? No.
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Post Post #2219 (isolation #161) » Wed Feb 17, 2021 2:01 pm

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Wow did we actually just agree on something unanimously?
That's impressive!
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Post Post #2274 (isolation #162) » Fri Feb 19, 2021 2:09 am

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Ya so yesterday I was just tired af and went to bed right when I got home. Hopefully I'll have the energy today after work for this game.
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Post Post #2302 (isolation #163) » Fri Feb 19, 2021 1:50 pm

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It's really not
that simple
and its annoying that we're at this point.

I haven't gone into Hectic yet because like, after work yesterday I literally went straight to bed and today was work again. If I have a chance I'll do it but if I eat the hammer so be it.

I like Hectic's dive on me there which is fucking problematic for my reads this game and I honestly don't know who the deepwolf is but there is one because the game PoE of Ari/Creature/Reck might have 1 scum but I'm honestly doubting my Reck read and like, I just think we're wrong and scum are going to have a cakewalk to victory even with an obvtown pr and a mason hiding still.

Lile, did bulge make that as a fakeclaim knowing the setup? Prolly not but it's possible. I don't think that's the direction we want to go but its bugging me that its a possibility.

I'm VT ftr. Tho I assume y'all expected that from me atp.

I'm not scum.

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Town: Bulge, DV, Adorable
Towny: Ydrasse, Creature
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Scum:
Goddamned conflicted: Reck, Hectic

Like it's not helpful but there you go.
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Post Post #2303 (isolation #164) » Fri Feb 19, 2021 1:51 pm

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I have stuff to address i believe but whoever asked if Dannflor gave me things to write or reads for the game or whatever, no. He has not. My game is the one nobody but Jingle is reading, and even that is not recent anymore.
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Post Post #2304 (isolation #165) » Fri Feb 19, 2021 1:53 pm

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Fromy drafts in case I eat a hammer:
Okay with my last breaths I'll mention that Jingle scumreads Hectic and the case is based on the following posts:
, (especially the part to peta and with a pivot point to get off of beeboy if needed), in response to RCE, , - , .

He's trying to get towncredfor the bus.

Also he thinks Reck is locktown partially for
I wrote that last time I was on E-1 and when it abated I saved it for when I'd get a chance to dive intk it but that hasn't happened yet.
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Post Post #2312 (isolation #166) » Fri Feb 19, 2021 3:07 pm

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All I ask atm is that we ensure we don't hammer me yet. I have mobilized the team so Jingle and Dann have offered to read the thread and write some things.

Dann was just not reading the game, Hectic. Iunno what to say. We've got the slow paced one of the lot so I guess we're the boring group :P

I'll probably be in bed before I have stuff here so like, just hang on for a little while and I'll get to transcribing whatever comes from them.

Also, Hectic, Jingle mentioned a parallel b/w your read/case on me here and his case/read on me in Gertatric Grey Flag Nightless if that helps you at all. (yeah yeah, meta whatever. It's a parallel they noted so I am noting it, k.)
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Post Post #2334 (isolation #167) » Sat Feb 20, 2021 9:43 am

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In post 2319, Augustus Caesar wrote:
In post 2302, Aristophanes wrote:
It's really not
that simple
and its annoying that we're at this point.


I haven't gone into Hectic yet because like, after work yesterday I literally went straight to bed and today was work again. If I have a chance I'll do it but if I eat the hammer so be it.

I like Hectic's dive on me there which is fucking problematic for my reads this game and I honestly don't know who the deepwolf is but there is one because the game PoE of Ari/Creature/Reck might have 1 scum but I'm honestly doubting my Reck read and like, I just think we're wrong and scum are going to have a cakewalk to victory even with an obvtown pr and a mason hiding still.

Lile, did bulge make that as a fakeclaim knowing the setup? Prolly not but it's possible. I don't think that's the direction we want to go but its bugging me that its a possibility.

I'm VT ftr. Tho I assume y'all expected that from me atp.

I'm not scum.


Readslist off the top of my head is:
Town: Bulge, DV, Adorable
Towny: Ydrasse, Creature
Null: xof
Scummy:
Scum:
Goddamned conflicted: Reck, Hectic

Like it's not helpful but there you go.
These parts of this post rubbed me the wrong way because it feels
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, if you know what I mean. less so for the second statement, but especially the first. like is it natural for that to be how ari starts his first post in response to my massive case/dive on him? it feels like unnatural to me. it was on my mind and i wasn't sure whether i could articulate it, but this was my best attempt at it

Image
That was a direct response to a post 2 above mine where Ydrasse said the game looked "THAT SIMPLE"

Come on.
In post 2300, Ydrasse wrote:this is without going in depth into his posting more but like... it felt so out of place i guess? like, there are a few other people in the pool with you but i guess its not Enough for ari to survive longterm through, esp if his partner is also in the poe?
which in case the game really is That Simple (and im leaning towards it being that simple at this point)
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Post Post #2335 (isolation #168) » Sat Feb 20, 2021 9:51 am

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In post 2325, Augustus Caesar wrote:Ruminating about what Ari is keeps me up at night. I've extensively gone over all of his scumgames in the last 2 years, aaaand... I have a question:

Do you fake annoyance or anger as scum, Ari?
I really don't think so tbh, no. I try to be genuine in all games.

Didn't I already get asked that? :P
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Post Post #2338 (isolation #169) » Sat Feb 20, 2021 10:27 am

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In post 2336, Augustus Caesar wrote:: ah, okay

: do you think you'd make an exception for team mafia?
Nah. I sound fake enough when I am genuine. If I were to fake it I'd be eliminated like, immediately. It's just not in the cards for me sadly/luckily
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Post Post #2340 (isolation #170) » Sat Feb 20, 2021 12:54 pm

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In post 2314, xRECKONERx wrote:
In post 2302, Aristophanes wrote:I'm honestly doubting my Reck read
which Reck read is that
The scumread I keep going back to. Iunno. I'm conflicted on you as noted in my readslist but team says town and thus I guess you're town.

I have posts from them now and will get them here but apparently I have a surprise dnd sesh myself so it may be tomorrow now
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Post Post #2366 (isolation #171) » Sun Feb 21, 2021 10:55 am

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K I'm doing the writeups now sorry guys.

I saw this tho so Imma help Hoctac out:
In post 2357, Augustus Caesar wrote:lol what, Reck hasn't been scum in 4 years
He was scum in MafiaSunny
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Post Post #2374 (isolation #172) » Sun Feb 21, 2021 1:24 pm

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Jingle's Setup SpecStarting off, Jingle had some setup spec for me. Basically it boils down to the scum knowing the setup being op at neutering town, especially the masons, and lets them craft exactly the right fakeclaim for any situation and have it ready from even pregame. Beeboy-slot having that role let him do nothing since his job was complete. It probably also means a mostly vanilla scumteam otherwise, which flips and Isis mod-meta support. It also means setup spec is probably useless and the mechanic might be unbalanced but who is to say.

Treating Bulge as conftown and as just a Doc which I guess makes sense. Then there's some setup spec I can present but meh and a note that we should massclaim the day prior to XLo because of scum knowing the setup and being prepared for it.

DV is locktown for Jingle and he notes that scum probably bussed beeboy-slot because of the aforementioned fulfillment of their duty. I'll mention that the theory that scum bussed beeboy should probably clear me as well as DV or at least be a hard town point but I mean, of course Jingle will say that so take it as you will.


Jingle's current gamestate commentaryI mean, it's stagnant, as we all know, and it swings hard from 1 vote to E-1. Apparently that happened on me within 4 hours, I wasn't counting, but yeah.

Bulge and Reck get townpoints for their way of presenting cases.
Hectic's Isodive/case on me comes at what I gather he thinks is opportunistic timing and is on well, the designated Lim. He also dislikes the total 180 from a townread to a scumread on me.

That all said, Jingle actually agrees that I'm probably the best Lim for the gamestate as it frees up Reck to pursue other things and to clear my name and interactions here.

Also Hectic pushing a solve based on the locktown reads of his townreads is really bad and doesn't give much room for error. a single town in the wrong bin, or a town defending someone in the wrong bin, is game over in this case. And it's highly suspected that this is the case, especially with myself heavily scum in that solve and not actually scum here.

Ending this section with strong townreads on Bulge, DV, and Reck in that order.


Jingle IsodivesBulge: C'mon man, you didn't protect Datisi after finding him town?
There is probably a scum within the flashwagon on Bulge
& are solid posts.

Reck: Willing to throw his weight around. Probably didn't bus beeboy based on cred and interactions.
Bloodlusting for me seems fine to Jingle as well. Mostly because this isn't the crux of everything for him within the game and thus not the hyperfocus thing I was worried about. It's different and I guess I see why.
Reck is making content and , , , seem like a good progression.

DV: Town based off of RCE interactions and optics therearound.

Ydrasse: Very different from Hectic vs FL. Trying to solve while distant here, but in that game they were distant without the same solving.
This is just a really light townlean though.

Creature: Nullscum that is doing nothing but bask in the staleness of the game.

Adorable: ???
Apparently this posting is beyond Jingle's ability to parse :P

xofelf: This ISO is top tier for xof and like, admittedly there's a team behind them but also it's an easy townread.


This is followed by discussion from Dann and Jingle about Ydrasse from the aforementioned game and how Dann is scumreading Ydrasse here, which I'll get to.
He wrote a shit tonne so Imma see what I can do here.

Dannflor's preambleApparently he's not read the game much previous to this simply because it's just not the one he's focused on, but being dead now has more time. Something about being in Masters in TFT as well, whatever that means, which was what he was working on instead of reading here lol

It's mostly been read in bits here and there but he'd probably got a good handle on things anyway.


Ah, the Ydrasse readHe gets the townreads from Jingle and Hectic but disagrees. The ability to look solvy if scum is possibly because its team mafia and there is easy help at hand. Also it's a different dynamic from a VS game and that means she can't rely on the same style she used there, so more is needed and thus the posts and moments that look solvy emerge. Generally the solvy posts feel put on and the posting resembles Dann's own posts when scum. and the posts around the potential pocketing by Hectic of Ydrasse feel like, really faked worry to him and I can totally see it. He's basically thinking these posts are crafted to get a reciprocal townread out of Hectic as scum. He also notes a performative nature from and and makes another comparison with his own posting in Hectic vs Flavour Leaf. 1414 in particular, with the treatment of my slot, pings him as coming from scum.


On HecticDann disagrees with Jingle here and thinks Hectic is town, Ydrasse scum, which is an opposite read from one another. In fact, I haven't mentioned it yet but Jingle might case Hectic at some point. I mean, I haven't yet, but maybe my team will pick up my slack, right? lol

Anyway, compared to Your Nightmare Dann thinks this is outside of Hectic's scum range.

In particular, Dann really likes that Hectic is both solving, or trying to, when basically talking to himself in the thread with no outside stimulus, and that Hectic has these little windows of depth and genuine thought process that show up time and time again in the posts this game and not in the scumgame. Things he thinks would be really hard to fake consistently. and are the presented examples. Also he thinks is too out there to be scum.

Also using the Nightmare game as a baseline Dann thinks I'm the same town!Ari here as I was there and Hectic
should
see that, but not seeing ti isn't really a scummy thing here.


Reck ReadMan, you know that feeling when your team thinks the main person scumreading you, the one who has been all game, is totally reasonable in doing so? Well yeah.
Dann totally gets where Reck is coming from and thinks a lot of the scumread is probably playstyle difference and/or a difference in expectations from players. As in I break the mould of what Reck expects and therefore am a scumread here. Reck's push is consistent, reasonable, it doesn't feel like a performance, it's basically like, a genuine push and therefore towny. It's just on a town slot.


Misc and Readslists is probably all town as Hectic suspects.
RCE/Adorable would make the most sense via RCE associatives.
Also Adorable having chats with her team are possible from either alignment and like, it makes sense as scum here, especially in TM and shouldn't really be townpoints for the slot.

Dann:
Townreads - Bulge, Hectic, Reck, DV, xof
Scumreads - Ydrasse, Adorable
Scum within them and Creature (who is null).

Jingle:
Townreads - Bulge, DV, Reck, xof
Townleans - Ydrasse
Scumreads - Creature
No read on Adorable as they are incomprehensible :P


Dann's Closing statements@Hectic: Your solve is exactly 2 of {Reck, Creature, Ari}
You are wrong on Ari and probably wrong on Reck.
Reconsider this shit.

You're leading the town and you're a good player, so scum are going to be playing with that in mind. Be more critical plz.

Like Dann knows I'm probably cooked today, but that doesn't mean you get to autopilot for the next 2 Elims.

Definite slots to reconsider after we townflip here: Adorable, Ydrasse.
Recommended reconsiderations in order to round things out and make sure you're not pocketed: xof, DV.


Sorry that took so long.
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Post Post #2388 (isolation #173) » Sun Feb 21, 2021 4:02 pm

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In post 2387, Adorable wrote:Aristophanes I want to know what associatives is Dannflor talking about when he mentioned me because he didn't even say much about me and he only says that I am having chats with my team.
Yeah I think my team has a hard time with you directly tbh.

Dann was meaning moreso that you're prevalent in RCE's Iso but there's not much like, actual interaction with him there. It mostly comes from RCE's treatment of your slot.
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Post Post #2390 (isolation #174) » Sun Feb 21, 2021 6:53 pm

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Ydrasse wrote:ari, can you ask dann: why didn't he keep up with this game over the others, even if it's boring? it's the easiest to keep up with because of how slow it is, so shouldn't it have been more... manageable? compared to the other ones going on.
In post 2374, Aristophanes wrote:Apparently he's not read the game much previous to this simply because it's just not the one he's focused on, but being dead now has more time. Something about being in Masters in TFT as well, whatever that means, which was what he was working on instead of reading here lol

It's mostly been read in bits here and there but he's probably got a good handle on things anyway.
I mean, that was the shortened version but essentially that plus like, because the game is what it is the team gravitated towards the more active and nutso games going on.
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Post Post #2425 (isolation #175) » Mon Feb 22, 2021 4:09 pm

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In post 2423, xRECKONERx wrote:
In post 2421, DeasVail wrote:Who else do you think is scum?
I am not sure. I had my scum pool as Ari/Hectic/Creature, and it's probably still there. Hectic and I kinda briefly engaged over my scumread of him and then just left it. I just feel and have felt so fucking strongly about Ari for so much of this game that if we go somewhere else and Ari squeaks by again I'm going to lose my mind.
Literally, this is why I know I need to die here. I don't want to. But it'll un-tubnel Teck and hopefully let town win this.

I will be strung along until an ELo situation when scum will get Reck on me for game over. It's transparently obvious unfortunately.

I have personal and team responses to a couple things but also studying for a driving test tomorrow (ya, 30 and just getting my license. Imma be all Olivia Rodrigo soon :P) so stuff will happen here another time. Sorry about that.
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Post Post #2432 (isolation #176) » Tue Feb 23, 2021 2:17 am

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In post 2429, xRECKONERx wrote:a;slkdjf;laksjdf;lkasjdf

is ari actually fucking town right now. i swear to absolute unholy christ on a goddamn pornographic cracker i am going to lose my mind

am i being set up to just turn on ari in lylo. is that my role? my purpose
I'm sorry Reck <3
I feel you man!

But like, look at the game. You are going to get this elim eventually. They keep toying with you, bringing me to almost an Elim and then switching elsewhere. Just needling and preparing for the easiest Lim ever. Like if the thread suddenly decided to agree with you in 2 phases when, assuming worst case and we MisLim today and tomorrow with no saves, is 2:3 ELo. You would jump on that shit so fast and it's game over.

Even if it happens tomorrow, then you get shade in ELo and a towny would be likely to misplace a vote leading to game over.

Our 1v1 status continues and it's the best thing scum could have hoped for this game imo.

Either we resolve it by Elim or we resolve it in reads atp ikc which in all honesty. But it has to be resolved.
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Post Post #2450 (isolation #177) » Tue Feb 23, 2021 9:32 am

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Yeah.....this throwing up hands in defeat feels like its piggy backing off of my willingness to self sacrifice and the request for a massclaim feels like it's mason hunting.

I'm still busy but I'll have more later and Reck, I've not actually looked at the implications of this 1v1 string along I've proposed so bear with me. I've got to dive into VCs and momentum and see where these pushes are coming from and who is manipulating the game like this.
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Post Post #2560 (isolation #178) » Thu Feb 25, 2021 1:21 pm

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Fuck I gotta do something here.

I'll try for a summary of what else the team has said and go on to answers to what's been asked since.

Sorry guys.
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Post Post #2561 (isolation #179) » Thu Feb 25, 2021 2:19 pm

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In post 2409, Augustus Caesar wrote:
In post 2374, Aristophanes wrote:Jingle:
Townreads - Bulge, DV, Reck, xof
Townleans - Ydrasse
Scumreads - Creature
No read on Adorable as they are incomprehensible :P
Why aren't I in this Jingle readslist, Ari?
Honestly, I didn't even realize you weren't in it until you mentioned it.
Jingle has answered, however. He mentioned losing WIM and said that since he hadn't thought critically about your slot and positions since finishing ISOing you it wouldn't have made sense to put you in the list.
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In post 2374, Aristophanes wrote:Starting off, Jingle had some setup spec for me. Basically it boils down to the scum knowing the setup being op at neutering town, especially the masons, and lets them craft exactly the right fakeclaim for any situation and have it ready from even pregame.
Beeboy-slot having that role let him do nothing since his job was complete.
It probably also means a mostly vanilla scumteam otherwise, which flips and Isis mod-meta support. It also means setup spec is probably useless and the mechanic might be unbalanced but who is to say.

Treating Bulge as conftown and as just a Doc which I guess makes sense. Then there's some setup spec I can present but meh and a note that we should massclaim the day prior to XLo because of scum knowing the setup and being prepared for it.

DV is locktown for Jingle and he notes that scum probably bussed beeboy-slot because of the aforementioned fulfillment of their duty.
I'll mention that the theory that scum bussed beeboy should probably clear me as well as DV or at least be a hard town point but I mean, of course Jingle will say that so take it as you will.
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This baffles me. Like sure, beeboy's slot had already given scum the info they needed from being Informed, but a scum member going down means scum need 2 extra mislaunches to win. It's as bad as a regular mafia goon going down. Fulfilling your duty as scum is sticking around and achieving parity with your team, not just dying simply because you're informed lol

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Further from this point, this also confuses me. Deas did not push on beeboy much explicitly, but he really did push on RCE and scumcased him up until his claim. How closely has Jingle been reading? I also think it's a little extreme to say Deas would be "locktown" simply because he didn't bus beeboy - there's other slots too who were reluctant to vote him.

Can you get Jingle to expand on what he means here?
Absolutely!
Beeboy/RCE was never going to get to endgame with the way they started, so taking them out early would be good for scum as it reduces associative tells with their scummates.
DV calling off the wagon and saying we should let them live the night because of the claim is +town for the slot. It doesn't make sense for scum to do that with the game where it was at.
In post 2431, xRECKONERx wrote:
In post 2424, Ydrasse wrote:
In post 2423, xRECKONERx wrote:
In post 2421, DeasVail wrote:Who else do you think is scum?
I am not sure. I had my scum pool as Ari/Hectic/Creature, and it's probably still there. Hectic and I kinda briefly engaged over my scumread of him and then just left it. I just feel and have felt so fucking strongly about Ari for so much of this game that if we go somewhere else and Ari squeaks by again I'm going to lose my mind.
have any of hectic's recent posts had an impact on your read on him? the other two in the pool line up with what i think but i feel like he sticks out like a sore thumb

you probably think i'm pocketed by him but ya know :dead:
no if anything I think you're pocketing Hectic not the other way around

I don't buy your AtE bullshit flirty shit like Hectic does but maybe it's because I'm gay and immune to your horseshit
Dann said this is basically a perfect summary of his own read on the Ydrasse-slot.
In post 2551, Ydrasse wrote:this is definitely a prod dodge, i’m not... really moved by creature skimming over his posts but i’ll look back later if he’s not hammered? idk how to read him well but it doesn’t seem like he’s really had a lot of growth this game wrt his reads (will double check this if he’s still alive in like ~8hrs)
I really don't like this post btw.
It feels really fence-sitty and gives Ydrasse the chance to do nothing on the wagon while reaping the rewards no matter what happens.
And I don't really see Ydrasse/Creature scumteam?
Ydrasse-scum would be a better elim for the day. Imma catch up better before doing anything there but I think it's a better trajectory for us today.
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Post Post #2563 (isolation #180) » Thu Feb 25, 2021 2:51 pm

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In post 2562, DeasVail wrote:Ari, who do you see Ydrasse as scum with if not Creature?

Why do you not like a Ydrasse/Creature scumteam?
Honestly, Iunno. I don't see the two of them vibing as a scumteam, though I haven't really been considering associatives until recently so I'll have to get back to you on it.

If I do a PoE off the top of my head taking out townreads and those that don't make sense I get...xof or adorable I guess? Scumteam is probably within the four of them.
The four being {Adorable, xof, Ydrasse, Creature} and I know that's too many people but I don't see scum outside of it other than the possibility of Hectic. I really liked Dann's input there though.
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Post Post #2565 (isolation #181) » Thu Feb 25, 2021 4:38 pm

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Would you believe me if I told you I disconnected a bit and forgot Creature is at E-1?

I'm fine with the lim. I'm just dumb.
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Post Post #2567 (isolation #182) » Thu Feb 25, 2021 4:45 pm

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I can hammer too

But if you'd prefer Ydrasse do it I'm fine with that
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Post Post #2572 (isolation #183) » Thu Feb 25, 2021 4:48 pm

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Aww man I wanted those soul hearts!
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Post Post #2575 (isolation #184) » Thu Feb 25, 2021 4:49 pm

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In post 2574, Augustus Caesar wrote:
In post 2572, Aristophanes wrote:Aww man I wanted those soul hearts!
I'll give you eternal hearts instead <3
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Post Post #2582 (isolation #185) » Sat Feb 27, 2021 7:14 pm

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Well that's a flip I didn't see coming.

Uhmm...what does it say about Bulge, both having Psychs?

Hectic was an outside scumread but still.
The recent deaths lwave {adorable, xof, ydrasse} which isna weird trio.
Ydrasse seems both likely and unlikely, the latter due to Hectic's flip.

Imma think on this.
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Post Post #2589 (isolation #186) » Sun Feb 28, 2021 11:08 am

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In post 2587, DeasVail wrote:Also should we massclaim y/n?
I was discussing this with the team when the day started and we decided that it's a necessity at this point.

so yes.
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Post Post #2612 (isolation #187) » Wed Mar 03, 2021 3:39 am

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I was just coming in to prodge. I'm sorry, should be at this tn
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Post Post #2617 (isolation #188) » Wed Mar 03, 2021 1:41 pm

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K I'm here to do stuff. Really sorry about my absences and shit.
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Post Post #2618 (isolation #189) » Wed Mar 03, 2021 1:45 pm

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I don't think I saw a claim of it but did anyone get a mailman message from Hectic?

I haven't looked back to see if they crumbed targets or results yet but I think we should.
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Post Post #2619 (isolation #190) » Wed Mar 03, 2021 1:52 pm

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In post 2595, The Bulge wrote:
In post 2589, Aristophanes wrote:
In post 2587, DeasVail wrote:Also should we massclaim y/n?
I was discussing this with the team when the day started and we decided that it's a necessity at this point.

so yes.
can you go into more detail here? why is it a necessity? who was saying what?
Dann and Jingle seem to be in agreement but again this is mostly Jingle.

Points in favour of massclaiming today:
- we're not in XLo yet, meaning a 1v1 via roles/claims/setup restrictions won't end the game immediately and thus scum are locked into their claim limiting the potential damage it can do.
- Since the scumteam already know Bulge's role and claim they already know where to target and whether it's safe to do so or not. They are informed of the setup and we are not, with so many claims we'll get wiped without massclaim at this point.
- Mason is soooooo ease for scum to PoE at this point. We're pretty sure we know who it is, and if that's the case then we're pretty sure scum also know where it is, and they have the advantage of knowing their own roles and thus can limit the PoE even more than we can.
- It will sort out the issues with the claim Bulge made with relation to the other roles and therefore the likeliest setup allowing us to either lim him or not depending on the way things shake out.

All 4 of us think Hectic was a crazy flip to happen here so scum must have had a reason. Massclaim might help sort that.
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Post Post #2620 (isolation #191) » Wed Mar 03, 2021 2:04 pm

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In post 2584, xRECKONERx wrote:I guess that's a good point.

I've been clearing Bulge on the claim mostly because the petapan crumb theory makes 100,000 levels of sense. If scum actually killed peta because they thought he was crumbing the JOAT that would point to Bulge having setup information knowing he could safely claim Psychologist and have a sweet kill crumb to go along w/ it.

Hrmmmmmm. I need to probably reset my entire game at this point. I still want to think Ari has high % chance being scum here because I don't think my three person scum pool was completely wrong (Ari/Creature/Hectic). But two town flips out of that pool with back-to-back power roles being killed gives me pause.
I hate to tell you this, Reck, but you're 0 for 3 in that pool.
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been busy this weekend, but.

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whoever did this, know that i will find you, and you shall die. this is a threat, and a promise.


i'll be around more tomorrow, will chew on this overnight. leaning towards xofelf right now i think? xofelf and...??? i'll go from there but i'll start here.
@xofelf: : did nothing at all clear up for you after these two flips? i don't think that either of the wagons were quick (unless you mean like, that they happened at the end of the day? for me it feels like everything is dragged out until we're almost out of time so like... i don't think personally despite them happening at end of day that they're super quick imo?) but mainly i just wanna know what is clear for you when you're around.

i'll be around more tomorrow too thoooo
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Today over tomorrow makes it so we don't biff in a 1v1 and ensures we know where to protect. Scum already know the roadmap to the game, I'm pretty sure they've figured it all out. So why let them have all the info we are not privy to?
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Post Post #2621 (isolation #192) » Wed Mar 03, 2021 2:17 pm

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In post 2601, Adorable wrote:Creature flipping town puts my suspicion back on xofelf. xofelf's approach in this game does look like they are playing careful and cautious and Creature also brought this up last day phase. I also read through RCEnigma's iso where he was asking xofelf questions and I still wonder if that was busywork on what RCEnigma was doing to make his scum buddy look town before he gets eliminated.
Can you expand upon this xof read plz?
Which posts in RCE's ISO make you think this and why? Are there other reasons or just careful play? Because there ca be a lot of reasons for careful play in a game.


DV is obvtown and I love that he keeps reassessing my slot and others in a very transparent manner. is a townpost.
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In post 2601, Adorable wrote:Creature flipping town puts my suspicion back on xofelf. xofelf's approach in this game does look like they are playing careful and cautious and Creature also brought this up last day phase. I also read through RCEnigma's iso where he was asking xofelf questions and I still wonder if that was busywork on what RCEnigma was doing to make his scum buddy look town before he gets eliminated.
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DV
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Goodpost!
Also I think we need to ask the same thing of Ydrasse.
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in case she misses this.
In post 2607, xRECKONERx wrote:
In post 2582, Aristophanes wrote:Well that's a flip I didn't see coming.

Uhmm...what does it say about Bulge, both having Psychs?

Hectic was an outside scumread but still.
The recent deaths lwave {adorable, xof, ydrasse} which isna weird trio.
Ydrasse seems both likely and unlikely, the latter due to Hectic's flip.

Imma think on this.
This is just screaming at me that it's scum without even rereading anybody else yet.

1. Awkward commentary on the flip because scum feel compelled to say *something* about it
2. Lightly throwing shade at Bulge's claim without committing to ACTUALLY throwing shade at Bulge's claim (I happen to think the shade is warranted for the record)
3. I don't even know what "The recent deaths lwave {adorable, xof, ydrasse} which isna weird trio." means so I can't really comment on that.
4. Fence sitting on Ydrasse by calling her both likely and unlikely scum -- this is nothing, this is bet hedging.
5. Promise to think more on it rather than any questions or engagement.
1. Nah, I was just surprised
2. I don't want to rush things and honestly I think a massclaim is going to be the best way to resolve Bulge's claim.
3. "The recent deaths leave {adorable, xof, ydrasse} which is a weird trio." <-- edited to be in english.
Basically I'm at a PoE of those three and my team has a strong enough townread on xof that it looks like a scumteam of Aborable and Ydrasse which, like I say, is a weird way for things to work out but so be it. The reason I mention it being a weird result is that I'm not actually confident in it but it's the way things seem to be with the current claims in place. I don't see why a scumteam with Ydrasse on it kills Hectic when he was the one protecting her and therefore it makes the 1v1 of them that people were coming to really easy and Ydrasse really easy to scumread. But I really don't want to WIFOM myself into overthinking this. It's possible Bulge subs into this PoE with massclaim or with a mislim within it but I'm still uncertain.
4. I'm really not hegding, I was giving initial thoughts and I think the above gives a glimpse into why I said that.
5. I was busy and even now should be spending my time elsewhere but alas. Plus, promising to do things gives me both a motivation and a reminder to do so later, as not writing it down makes it so much more likely that I simply forget and thus never get back to what I need to address.
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Post Post #2622 (isolation #193) » Wed Mar 03, 2021 2:22 pm

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In post 2608, Adorable wrote:
In post 2604, xRECKONERx wrote:
In post 2601, Adorable wrote:Creature flipping town puts my suspicion back on xofelf. xofelf's approach in this game does look like they are playing careful and cautious and Creature also brought this up last day phase. I also read through RCEnigma's iso where he was asking xofelf questions and I still wonder if that was busywork on what RCEnigma was doing to make his scum buddy look town before he gets eliminated.
What are your reads on the rest of the game outside of xofelf? For convenience:

DV
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YDrasse
Removing xofelf from the list it would look like this.

Reckoner
DV
Ydrasse/The Bulge
Aristophanes

I was town reading Ari earlier but what I noticed is that he keeps changing his reads list which is suspicious. Like for example he put xofelf as a town lean on day 1, on day 3 he put me as town, xofelf null, later on in day 3 his team mate Dannflor puts xofelf as a town read, me as a scum read, and then later during the same day Ari puts xofelf as scum and says he likes Dannflor's input and am I supposed to believe Dannflor magically puts xofelf as scum when he put xofelf as town earlier? I don't like it when players keep changing their reads on players because it confuses me and it looks like scum flip flopping. The one thing that gives me a pause on Ari is his defeatism.
WTF is this poppycock!?
I've been reevaluating my reads as the game progressed and things were revealed. I have a team behind me that is both supporting me and allowing behind the scenes conversation which is helping shape and change my reads as we go. Why in the hell is staying fluid scum indicative when scum are entirely more likely to stick with a stale read so they look consistent? Also, this is based solely off my xof reads evolving? What is it with your infatuation with that slot? What are your reads on the other slots in that list and why?
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In post 2615, The Bulge wrote:
In post 2608, Adorable wrote:Reckoner
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how the hell am I so low??????
Reckoner talking about your claim is what made me wary of you.
Where did Bulge place before this change?
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Post Post #2625 (isolation #194) » Wed Mar 03, 2021 3:31 pm

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In post 2623, Adorable wrote:@Aristophanes Are you even reading my iso or not? I have talked about xofelf so many times in past days and how many times do I have to keep repeating myself? xofelf's approach has been careful and cautious, they're not interacting much with the players, xofelf was evasive towards me on day 2 which was scummy, I also didn't like it when they said on day 1 their reads are gut reads because that can be an easy way for scum to throw out a read.

I even quoted you back on which was on day 2 I think it was I said I didn't know what to make of RCEnigma's iso of xofelf when he was asking them questions. On one of my completed scum games from another site before I got lynched with a wagon leading on me I did an iso of my scum buddy and this was for to make my scum buddy look town.

I have been consistent for the most part and I don't like it when players keep changing their reads because it confuses me and I have already had to deal with scum players before who change their reads so much.
This is all great and I appreciate the reiteration of the reasons for the read. I was basically asking why and if anything had changed, which it obviously has not. Thanks!

I don't think it's very common for scum to do that Iso strat and it's a lot of Wine which I don't think is worth reading into but I guess it's fine that you stuck with it. I was hoping for something more recent/relevant but so be it.

As for changing reads, I mean, uh...Like honestly I don't know what to tell you here. My reads have been fluid and have been evolving. It's a good sign from most players when that happens. Like , I'm sorry that it confuses you, honestly. And I'm sorry you scumread it due to past experience, just like the Iso thing. But like, I'm not changing reads in order to confuse anyone, and if anything it leaves me more open to scrutiny. If I hadn't changed these reads, I'dstill be null on xof, you and Ydrasse would still be town, Reck would be lockscum, as would Bulge, etc.
Like, is that a healthy gamestate? Is that really what towns should do??

I really don't like this at all tbh and I think you may be the best elim for today, all things considered.
Consider this a vote for you, which is more being placed officially yet such that massclaim can happen when more people finally get here.
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Post Post #2627 (isolation #195) » Wed Mar 03, 2021 3:54 pm

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Understood. Take care of yourself Reck <3
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Post Post #2643 (isolation #196) » Thu Mar 04, 2021 6:03 am

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In post 2591, DeasVail wrote:I can confirm that I am a VT
I can also confirm I an VT as claimed.

Popcorn to adorable

Claim plz.
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Post Post #2645 (isolation #197) » Thu Mar 04, 2021 6:47 am

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Because it's the proper thing to do today and it's stalling so pushing on it.
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Post Post #2646 (isolation #198) » Thu Mar 04, 2021 6:48 am

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So I'm pushing on it*
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Post Post #2648 (isolation #199) » Thu Mar 04, 2021 8:14 am

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In post 2647, Adorable wrote:I don't mind claiming since I said earlier that I think we should mass claim today since we have 1 miselim left and mass claiming today is good to narrow things down. Some players want a mass claim while others don't want a mass claim and we all need to come to an agreement.
ummm 4/7 players have claimed. You, xof, and Reck are all that's left.

Claim.
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