TM 2021: A normal roguelike

[Ydrasse]

i feel Good tm about deas right now, like she poked and prodded around at adorable for a while and then backed off of her when she felt the time was right and didn't like... idk, keep harping on adorable for it? she feels like she's being reasonable where like... if she was scum and adorable was town she knows she could probably push through an elim on adorable given how the spotlight's been there so far and she just says nah, maybe i'm wrong

similarly this goes for peta too since they reached the same conclusion at the same time, like, unless this is some 4d coordinated move by them both as a team LMAO

[Ydrasse]

VOTE: sirius

i'm down to clown w this for now

[Ydrasse]

the point though is that you have perhaps the most like... stally, convenient claim you could have tho

maybe it is really bad luck for you but i really just dont think thats the case, my gut went 'nope'

[Ydrasse]

it's the real hectic

sorry you had to find out this way

i can fix you......

[Ydrasse]

VOTE: deasvail

let us ride bravely onto this wagon brothers

[Ydrasse]

IM FREE TO POST HERE NOW BTW ill add a 2 person iso to my acc for team mafia <3 sorry for being annoying but ithis is literally like a mental block being removed by being able to post on here and not on my account and now i am going to do so many cool good things for this game it's going to be un fucking believable are you guys READY?

[Ydrasse]

actually idk if i can do that but tbh im here now, im newer and cooler than ever before and ready to fucking solve this game !!!!!!!!!!!

[Ydrasse]

for real hate that girl. truly hate her. disgusted.

who do u think is scum?

[Ydrasse]

You woulnt lie to me would you

[Ydrasse]

I trust you so much....... pleas tell me its real

[Ydrasse]

Will you keep me safe and protect me

[Ydrasse]

you told me the truth <3 im so happy

you know i would pocket you relentlessly all game and drag you into lylo jus to turn you against someone else, right?

but i'm town ~ nya ~

[Ydrasse]

I dont know if i can do that, im a seflish lover

dont want to be without you......

[Ydrasse]

(im crumbing lovers)

[Ydrasse]

do you expect anything else from me my sweet augustus? my darling?

*twirls hair*

[Ydrasse]

would that be such an awful fate? it's just a classic ydrasse maneuver

clockwise, like it?

[Ydrasse]

HELLO?

when did you change... gus,,,? is that really still you in there? they didnt get you did they?

[Ydrasse]

it's been a long time, but i'm here, i'm here! i found a new host!

[Ydrasse]

im washed up, didnt you ehar? but thats why im here now, town, trying to live a new life... anew purpose

they gave me a healing kit

[Ydrasse]

i'm divine spirit mage

[Ydrasse]

Kinda scummy of you to point that out imo :/ little sus

[Ydrasse]

What if im an important pr and you just outed me? you sicko..

[Ydrasse]

youre a fabled warlord trampling over me, thel ittle mage with 2 health, youre sick, just using me to farm up mana

absolutely DISGUSTED

[Ydrasse]

your fabled trait is when im ion the field you instantly try to kill me because you HATE ME

[Ydrasse]

s m h

[Ydrasse]

Im a legendary unit top tier in all the best comps and what are you? weak and item dependent, tch

[Ydrasse]

Comrade infinity misses pichu

[Ydrasse]

idk why i called you that your avatar just made me feel it

[Ydrasse]

ok so Highkey i think youre suppoesd to run teemo over tristana because like, spirit buff with yuumi and then samira goes pew pew but also at the same time this teemo had on the little devil teemo skin and i have flashbacks to that awful game mode so HMPH and hi pichu... <3 my widdle baby pokemon....

I need teammates to buff right now i doublecast an ability that attacks if it has already shielded my team

[Ydrasse]

OKay fine ill calm it down for you i guess since you asked so nicely :/ w/e.....

you make yuumi a warlord CLEARLY duh we started in the spatula galaxy so now we're all put together whos our chosen? we should be building around them i think and rallying w them

[Ydrasse]

Hehe

[Ydrasse]

im born this way

[Ydrasse]

actually i dont think we should forget how good lady gaga's music is and thats why i said that but also i just am

[Ydrasse]

ummmm it deends on what kinda comp we wanna run

i think maybe we bought you and it'll also 3 star you right and you can do massive damage?

[Ydrasse]

Hi bulge

i like how ou colorcoded us

[Ydrasse]

Wait your reads list is kinda fire like idk if i agree with the order but the top / bottom havles are mostly very cute i am a fan i think

[Ydrasse]

i like that actually wtf... im ebmracing it

a salmon going upstream this game

[Ydrasse]

can you explain the order ab it of the last 3 like in little spoonfeeding sentences to me?

[Ydrasse]

Welcome

[Ydrasse]

Bulge.... towm

[Ydrasse]

i like the quick turnaround on what is a little nuanced/Compliquated for how they positioned people on their list it felt like a natural thing that didnt need to be made up or thought about for like ~logic~

[Ydrasse]

Oh well can't complain much about Ydrasse because at least something is happening rn

Im giving everyone the extra 50 pages this game to catch up to the other games and this time...... I mean it

[Ydrasse]

literally my shackles are freed i can post without worrying about a silly little alt my thoughts are UNINHIBITED i can READ i can DO THINGS

[Ydrasse]

Me turning this game into a hellhole and asking other teams thoughts about me now that they have to read this

Spoiler:

[Ydrasse]

get his ass

[Ydrasse]

HMMMMMMMM
that face IS rather cute.....

[Ydrasse]

ok fine. fine. you are. youre my locksoulheartread

[Ydrasse]

nya ~

[Ydrasse]

Angleshootings a little toxic imo :/ especially to me :////

[Ydrasse]

idk why there's 5 pages of ydrasse and hectic flirting at each other with what looks like a bulge readlist thrown in but im not reading it right now

i hope somewhere in there someone (see: hectic, or whoever else) can explain why AtE is townie

Why were you treating the lives of people this game like little musical chairs where we can kill willy nilly

and i said what i said these last 5 pages......

[Ydrasse]

ydrasse why dont u alternate accounts between summer/ydrasse
that will be fun

it's winter time

[Ydrasse]

this is a placeholder post since i wont be able to post for like ~2-3 hours and that'll put me outside of prod range but +town to bulge for reads list, will elaborate when i write up my thing in a bit

[Ydrasse]

la dee da

@datisi: the best way to describe my read on you right now is like... rooting this in the present because it's easiest, but i feel like you're trying to push a lot of momentum in this game at times where it'd be most opportune for scum to just... not, you know? this game has been slow and look how slow served us d1, lol. a scramble at the end. your anger that people weren't doing things/irritation feels like it comes from a towny place bc of that. in general uh, i feel like you're taking this game rather Seriously which is a bit of a switch-up or maybe i just haven't played with you for a while but there's an edge almost to how you're approaching everyone.

also bc this is fresh on the mind the fact that you're even asking for my read on you in like, an interrogation-style feels good to me because you're not just... accepting it at face value and letting it slide, bc in reality it's not something you HAVE to question and if oyu're scum most likely you just smile, nod and keep doing other things or don't even do things at all and let the low-energy sort of permeate the town.

uh, so yeah. like... idk, this is like a general just View of how you've been acting and not going into your content which like... i've pointed out a few things here and there that have made me :/ but as a whole i genuinely can't see why you approach the game as you do if you're scum? i guess you could be like, trying to powerwolf and asking things and trying to root up tender little townies to flip over because there's not too much opposition to you atm but also like. why does scum even let that happen, i guess? idk! doesn't feel likely to me atp and i'm fine just like... dealing with u later if you turn out to be scum bc i feel like for someone asking so many things/Posting A Lot it'll become more obvious down the road

[Ydrasse]

my townreads are split between wagons AHHHHH

ari being wagoned pings me w/o reading his iso bc from my experience ari is an easy person to wagon for his lack of activity? like there's no resistance there bc he's just not around to do anything abt it but also like looking at the vc, im... mostly fine w the people on it atm. uhhh

okay let me open up ari's iso. i thought that there was just one post where he didn't talk about rce/beeboy / had them as null but uh. huh. idk if ari just like, doesn't... say anything abt his partner if his partner is getting wagoned. something concrete at least? it's dodgy but it feels a bit ??? to me to avoid doing that unless he jus didn't have time. really wish mr. ari was here now though to like, vote somewhere if he's not content w the wagon that isn't him though, there's like... idk, reading it now im like "why havent you voted reck or bulge if you feel that way or even like, deas just as a survivability thing?" i know he townreads the last one there but like theres no drive to move things away from him or anything which idk how to read LMAO. maybe this is just projecting ig

[Ydrasse]

so like, for the bulge i had this like, inner vibe read where i thought they were town and im happy to announce that the reads list made me feel vindicated, i dont have the same order exactly but it lines up with what im thinking sans like... move sirius and deas down a tier basically and that's what im working with, the former is kinda ? for me to parse but im not intereste din like... killing it, really, okay actually that's more a townlean and deas i need to think about a bit but the read on ari feels like... i guess a little weak for someone who has ari as one of his top trs? i agree w the fact that ari is easy to have a go at but it feels like there's too much faith there to trust him like that. uhhh. ari actually can go in null with a hint of scum instead of at the bottom entirely re: bulge's list.

[Ydrasse]

wow i look deranged okay

i wanna chew on this when im at work tmrw

UNVOTE:

[Ydrasse]

if i had to vote btwn these two wagons right now id probably? go on deas again but looking between them is like... hmmmm

@augustus: i miss u. tell me what u think of deas's recent posting when youre here bc idk what to make of creature vs deas. lowkey i feel like describing deas as flail-y this game is like... idk about that one

[Ydrasse]

also apparently deas actually towncased ari more than i thought so like, scratch off that lil part of whatever i wrote in these last posts

anyone having ari as their top tr despite this though is so weird to me that im like, sitting and nodding at it like ok cool idk how you did this but uh it seems like you believe this so nea

im delirious and i have work in a few hours good night ill be back tomorrow now that im feeling this game

[Ydrasse]

oh in my head it helps me sort things if i have to gauge two players against each other? @deas, i’m not locked into either wagon

you’re both in the lower half of my poe and i implied that but also i think my rambling was sort of incoherent

[Ydrasse]

but my poe is also more like, the result of townhunting than scumhunting

[Ydrasse]

????

not really LMAO

i townread the people i townread w a decent amount of certainty like, maybe it’s shitty to take the game as parts rather than a whole but i trust who i trust rn

[Ydrasse]

i’m not stuck in that poe tho or else i’d just keep voting you and call it a day

[Ydrasse]

i'm not really into the idea of a deas-vote right now. maybe i'm put off about how creature talked about his game; the way he was being represented versus his actual content feels worlds apart which feels pretty fuckin bad when it comes to voting him.

[Ydrasse]

Spoiler:

don't tell anyone this but i would vote sirius because my read on him won't ever be able to come from content just vibes and while i love a good vibe check, i don't wanna deal with it down the road. i love you sirius tho

[Ydrasse]

ydrasse who do you want to vote

i want to say sirius just to get it done and over with but like, it feels like a policy elim despite what i ujst said

how do you feel about creature/ari/reck, in that order of wanting to wagon atm? maybe the bulge, but i also need to read Something first so put a tack in them.

[Ydrasse]

that's vague but also like, half this game could probably flip scum atm and it wouldn't feel surprising

[Ydrasse]

removing the tack from bulge now, not a wagon that's on the table; i hadn't read the reply wrt them talking about how they were maybe gonna be nked which made me go ? because like... why would you when i feel a lot of people have had some degree of suspicion there. answer's good tho

[Ydrasse]

ergh

at some point i'll read this game as a whole instead of chopping it up into isos

[Ydrasse]

VOTE: aristophanes

skimmed for sirius in his iso after he said he was down to kill sirius which like, hypocrite here, but i just don't like ari saying it. LMAO. feels like sirius has always sort of been on the table for him which is... it feels like he's been building up to be able to vote this when it's the easiest thing that someone could do this game, wagon-wise.

[Ydrasse]

meh

the towniest thing i can give you is my d1 until i get more and more into this game post-mental-block that i am melting away, and was the counterwagon to scum. it was literally only me getting that enraged to the point and proving i had fight in me that i wasn't gonna be an easy route for them to go down that i feel i've done anything exceptional

[Ydrasse]

the issue i have w your progression on sirius is that it feels low-effort and over the course of the game, it's like...

i get you've been not here a lot and i'm expecting too much but of all the places to have efforts sirius definitely isn't the one to sort for me and the impression i got when reading your posts about sirius has been that you've wanted to keep him as an option but not one you like... believe in? does that make sense?

[Ydrasse]

like i said it's hypocritical to also want to elim sirius because i'd rather just Not have to deal with it down the line but it feels more like you set up to have it happen, ig

[Ydrasse]

i am, this is true, i own it with pride

[Ydrasse]

i have to kill the other do-nothing slots so i reign supreme

and then i'll have graduated from being a do-nothing slot myself

[Ydrasse]

the issue i have w your progression on sirius is that it feels low-effort and over the course of the game, it's like...

i get you've been not here a lot and i'm expecting too much but of all the places to have efforts sirius definitely isn't the one to sort for me and the impression i got when reading your posts about sirius has been that you've wanted to keep him as an option but not one you like... believe in? does that make sense?

Sure, I can get how you might see that from my posts I suppose. They've always felt to me like a slot that will need an Elim and I don't see a way around it. Eventually they'll have to eat one because their current activity is unreadable to me and will never lead to an NK as town. Literally they just need to eat a yeet at some point and IDGAF when.

*shrugs*

what's the actual chance you think sirius flips scum though?

[Ydrasse]

stop hard lurking and play the game for god's sake , Ydrasse. we're here to play mafia so sort yourself out or I'm reporting you for playing against wincon and then Isis will modkill you

why do yuo hate me... always do this to me in games... bully little ydrasse she's so sad and innocent and crying nw youre suo fucking mean... imgong to vovte you...

[Ydrasse]

sobbbing asnd shakign rn because of u

[Ydrasse]

IM sick of your psychoanalysis imno t giving n fuck yuo... fuck you hate you will maim you

[Ydrasse]

you wont take kindly to the knife im plaicing in yor back soon

[Ydrasse]

absolutely going mental on yuo, so many wounds, little swiss cheese man gets bullied for looking like a pincushion

[Ydrasse]

its nt adorable when its in your BLOOD

[Ydrasse]

ari i do not know which of us here is missing the joke, but one of us certainly is

<3

[Ydrasse]

....

): i'll see myself out

[Ydrasse]

i mean if you can handle knowing that i know now you hate me and want me to die and be dead i GUESS its fine ://

[Ydrasse]

VOTE: creature

let's see what this does?

[Ydrasse]

yeah you better worry

[Ydrasse]

yeahhhh uh. this sucks!

[Ydrasse]

do you think that ari being peeved abt my vote like that means anything though?

[Ydrasse]

also i am Working From Home so like... hi im here today

[Ydrasse]

hewwo ari

[Ydrasse]

you feel sorry for getting mad, really? huh. i had no remorse for getting that peeved LMAO

i'm okay, just doing some paperwork stuff, super super boring but i'm comfortable at least while doing it :> also this fortuitously comes at a moment where i am very into the concept of playing mafia

[Ydrasse]

ari you have posted a LOT in 24 hours but almost none of it is reads or gamesolving or progression hm

what do you think about the things he has posted then?

[Ydrasse]

a-anyone there?

i so alone..

Spoiler:

[Ydrasse]

ari you have posted a LOT in 24 hours but almost none of it is reads or gamesolving or progression hm

what do you think about the things he has posted then?

...that none of it reads as gamesolving or progression

are you like, reading the fucking post you're quoting

“almost none of it”

yes i am reading your post

[Ydrasse]

about to make it 100% fluff at this rate

[Ydrasse]

can i not be scums eod push again lol

[Ydrasse]

am at work rn VOTE: xofelf

xof teetered on me back and forth for the game, defending sometimes sometimes not, their name got floated around and they came around and had suddenly decided i’m scum and now here we are

idk how they reacted around rce but i can read when i’m home, just like. ya

[Ydrasse]

can i not be scums eod push again lol

???

did peta flip scum while i wasn't looking?????
who was scum that pushed you yesterday???????

so many ?????
i remember something i said about a certain vote that i’m mulling on right now???

peta was not the only person that voted me yesterday. and you framing it like that feels like you’re trying to obfuscate that fact which ficking sucks

the reason i’m not voting you right now because yes my townread is tanking is because xof is trying to tie us together and i have no fucking clue how they came to that conclusion

[Ydrasse]

like can someone explain to me how m/why exactly the fluff this game is especially scummy or not good for this game or w/e

[Ydrasse]

it just feels disingenuous to make that a big part of a case and say things like i’m switching accounts as theater or w/e like in what world does that read as scummy

[Ydrasse]

i remember something i said about a certain vote that i’m mulling on right now???

what vote???

like sure peta isn't the only person that voted you yesterday. you're saying "lol i'm being pushed by scum at eod again" and who is the scum that pushed you yesterday then???

also i thought you had a townread on me?? tf you mean the only reason you're not voting me is xof???

did you miss the part where i said my townread on you is tanking or no or when i referenced your vote.

[Ydrasse]

??????

[Ydrasse]

you’re literally not reading my slot if you’re saying i haven’t been doing things in the past few days + trying to figure this game out

[Ydrasse]

WHY is it tanking??? WHY does it feel like every single game relevant thought you put into this thread was pulled out of your ass 3 seconds earlier without any cohesion whatsoever????

because this is the second vote you’ve made on me now and the first one fucking sucked and here you are again back on board datisi that’s why

i’m literally playing on my fucking 15 min break and don’t exactly have time to go back and hard reread and i’ve been trying my best to get back into a game to be helpful

[Ydrasse]

hey ari, i've got a question for you!

why did you describe your case on bulge as scumleany with some townleany posts? i'm reading over it right now and it really just like... reads like a scumread/scumcase? i don't know if there's like a separation in your mind between those terms but it feels like you're misrepresenting what your actual read on bulge is when you phrase it like that. like we're supposed to look at it like you're being fair and impartial but it doesn't translate.

[Ydrasse]

also, @hectic: i love you. marry me.

[Ydrasse]

i've never been on a mafia website that WASN'T also a dating website tbh

[Ydrasse]

(HECTIC CALL ME)

[Ydrasse]

hey ari, i've got a question for you!

why did you describe your case on bulge as scumleany with some townleany posts? i'm reading over it right now and it really just like... reads like a scumread/scumcase? i don't know if there's like a separation in your mind between those terms but it feels like you're misrepresenting what your actual read on bulge is when you phrase it like that. like we're supposed to look at it like you're being fair and impartial but it doesn't translate.

I outlined some of the posts I liked there and some that as I wrote about them my mind changed. Honestly it was intended to be impartial but obviously that's not what transpired.

so did you put scumleany/townleany before or after you wrote the case? or can you like, show me what points you think are the "townleany" ones? i really don't get any of that at all and it looks like you just double down on scumread which like, fair since it doesn't seem like you much liked bulge's replies, but it looks pre-determined.

[Ydrasse]

*looks at VC*
Oof, are we that bad at pronouns here?

Uhm, I'm really sorry I've not been motivated to be here. I'm trying to change that.

I have word from a teammate that RCE is still the best option for Elimination today despite some of the meta for beeboy being imperfect.
I'll mention intent but with basically that means I'll hammer if we get too close to deadline.

Sorry again. I just feel like there is so much to do and so I'm putting it all off, as if that's a good solution

___
That took me like a minute to write how was I ninja'd by literally 5 posts??

also ari, which teammate said this?

[Ydrasse]

do you mean he started at the conclusion that the Bulge was scum and then tried to find reasons to fit that view? that's the vibe it gives me as well

also, you're not picking up your phone

i'm not receiving any calls... did you mix up my number with someone else's again... ):

[Ydrasse]

do you mean he started at the conclusion that the Bulge was scum and then tried to find reasons to fit that view? that's the vibe it gives me as well

also, you're not picking up your phone

yeah, and then tried to garnish it with the illusion of a townlean spiced in there somewhere

[Ydrasse]

and then he goes into replying to bulge which is like... there wasn't much good faith there? a question or two, but it was shady and didn't seem like he cared too much about the results even of what he asked

[Ydrasse]

VOTE: aristophanes

e-1

p-edit: what does impression of fairness mean???

[Ydrasse]

the council is thinking

[Ydrasse]

the council is thinking

me and you out at dinner and i bring a chaperone to preserve my purity

[Ydrasse]

[Ydrasse]

it's 3:15am and i'm giggling in the bathroom listening to this and thinking about this day

i'm glad to make you laugh this time instead ^_^

here are my reads even if they're a bit late

Spoiler:

[Ydrasse]

i knew exactly what was coming and it still made me smile

i love this game

<3

[Ydrasse]

datisi

give me the triangle

NOW

[Ydrasse]

crawls into this thread

please god give me a vc someone anyone listening

[Ydrasse]

[Ydrasse]

[Ydrasse]

i don't townread him enough to try and save him so

VOTE: deas

[Ydrasse]

ill be around for a bit as need be to vote or w/e, irl happening so energy/attention reserves low, sorry

[Ydrasse]

im not voting adorable today

VOTE: sirius

[Ydrasse]

a-alright bulge, we won’t question you...

[Ydrasse]

i actually don't think that the chaos at eod yesterday was like... intentional.

it felt like it was happening because we were all going back and forth on who was scummy and who was a good idea and like... actually trying to consider and just being awfully indecisive which sucked

as siad before though, it's useful at least to see where people were bouncing from/away. but i still don't think that it was manufactured

that being said i feel like shit right now and will be here more tomorrow. also doc-leashing is dumb

[Ydrasse]

i too will be considering my reads tonight

in the meantime why is xof off the table for everyone right now? they still are on it for me

[Ydrasse]

i am very tired and have been lately, sorry about this, but i did wanna say that im like... almost positive im not being pocketed.

its not like the worry hasnt been on my mind bc like, in theory hectic has me right where he wants me if hes scum: hes done the most to defend me where he literally did not have to at all, and for like... what benefit? a long term pocket for endgame? doesnt he stress out about how this looks and appears because hes going hard for me for reasons that people are consistently going ??? at. to me it makes more sense to do that because he is town and like... idk i dont wanna get deep into meta but he knows how i play better than anyone else and he can read me like a book LMAO. i can't really do the same as well in return + have scumread him incorrectly before but this game, it'd be like. if he's playing scum he's playing the "okay let's just play messy as i want" sort of thing for how yesterday's eod went. it was chaotic sure and it looks very apparent after the fact that he was spinning the merry go round but to me he is just trying to find the best person to elim, and is re-evaluating in the places where he isnt as strong to try and figure shit out

uhhh. so yeah, thats that, if im being pocketed im the biggest fool in the world and im going to kill him after this game so this is his one warning but thats not really in the realm of possibility... barring the way that he helped to take down rce when he didnt have to, the way hes been willing to like... not just steamroll through elims on people he sussed (deas comes 2 mind) and gives them room, all that. i get him wanting to not deal w it because if i was in his shoes id be pissed people doubted me lmfao. he's really just town this game and i don't think that's the place to be hunting. i'd say right now but i also just dont think you ever go there... ever, to elim?

so ye

[Ydrasse]

i feel like the poe is small this game which uh... im okay with it, i think...?

everyone's doing the thing where they all slow turn to face down creature basically and i like... hum. hum hum. i don't think the people doing it are scum but it feels like everyone's coming to that conclusion right now and i'm wondering if there was any one thing that's gotten us there, i guess, or just town towning it up?

[Ydrasse]

also i want to wait on Something before i place my vote

that is cagey as fuck but there is method here for once in this game, just once

[Ydrasse]

also tomorrow i'll read creature but i have a feeling that i'm going to do the same thing i always do when i try to read him: end up with not a whole lot to show

[Ydrasse]

okay good night thread

[Ydrasse]

okay holy fuck ari words.

i just skimmed it bc i was at work earlier and was like "damn that's a lot of =" but also without even going in depth on it yet my vote was gonna be on ari because i was workign with the assumption he was gonna show up and vote hectic for the weird like... way he was trying to insinuate deep wolves could be a thing this game?

like fmpov, barring no wrong townreads there's a very limited pool of people to elim, and ari is in that pool and knows it. so like, what can he do to give himself breathing room? it feels like he doesnt have a lot of options but that is definitely oen of them: try to make people paranoid about the towniest voices in the game and suggest oh guys, maybe we should look there! there's just limited options for him if he's scum and reading the room the best he can

this is without going in depth into his posting more but like... it felt so out of place i guess? like, there are a few other people in the pool with you but i guess its not Enough for ari to survive longterm through, esp if his partner is also in the poe? which in case the game really is That Simple (and im leaning towards it being that simple at this point)

[Ydrasse]

VOTE: aristophanes

this is e-1

[Ydrasse]

yet again the lonely hectic posts to an empty room.....

[Ydrasse]

its ok, im here now, you dont have to be on your own anymore...

[Ydrasse]

have you found any scum buddy?

[Ydrasse]

yes, it was a diversion tactic to get you to forget that

gg ez win

[Ydrasse]

ariiiiiiii please god come post Soon AHHHHH

how do you feel about the bulge now? because uh, i'm looking back over that case and it feels even worse in retrospect, 1726 and 1729, and i know i already asked you about these but i can't get over how you like... presented them?

it feels like you really had decided from the start that you were just going to scumread bulge, like. there's nothing in there at all that suggests i guess that you made a natural effort to read him accepting the fact that he might be town. and then like... is it really just the claim that made you think that he's that towny in your most recent reads list? even despite the fact that it might be a fakeclaim given scum know the roles of the setup?

like, i guess i just want to understand... is it really just that that made you roll over on it? this is a setup where mafia are inherently going to have (or should ...) better fakeclaims i think so like... was there no paranoia there at all? what went through your head when you saw what bulge claimed?

[Ydrasse]

Coool not Limming Bulge then. Sorry we made you out.

I might have been confbiased when I wrote my case but honestly as scum I'd have probably just LOLhammered there.

I can address direct things if anyone wants but I mean, apparently I was wrong despite what I thought was a lot of evidence for Scum!Bulge.

I saw both my reason for finding a lot of scummy points and my timing for making the posts both come into question here and well, for the former I really don't see how that would help me as scum. Make a big series of posts calling him scum just to have him flip town? Why!?
Timing was because of motivation and general busyness. I knew the deadline was approaching so I sat down and did what I had to do. I don't see why there would be an issue with that.

^ like you just hard scumcased bulge and then this is your next post when you return towards the bulge and you're super nonchalant about the bulge being town and accept it at face value from what i see

[Ydrasse]

ari, can you ask dann: why didn't he keep up with this game over the others, even if it's boring? it's the easiest to keep up with because of how slow it is, so shouldn't it have been more... manageable? compared to the other ones going on.

[Ydrasse]

Who else do you think is scum?

I am not sure. I had my scum pool as Ari/Hectic/Creature, and it's probably still there. Hectic and I kinda briefly engaged over my scumread of him and then just left it. I just feel and have felt so fucking strongly about Ari for so much of this game that if we go somewhere else and Ari squeaks by again I'm going to lose my mind.

have any of hectic's recent posts had an impact on your read on him? the other two in the pool line up with what i think but i feel like he sticks out like a sore thumb

you probably think i'm pocketed by him but ya know

[Ydrasse]

this is definitely a prod dodge, i’m not... really moved by creature skimming over his posts but i’ll look back later if he’s not hammered? idk how to read him well but it doesn’t seem like he’s really had a lot of growth this game wrt his reads (will double check this if he’s still alive in like ~8hrs)

[Ydrasse]

i said i was gonna reread but im tired and thats a lie

yall good if i hammer?

[Ydrasse]

VOTE: creature

[Ydrasse]

my city now

[Ydrasse]

been busy this weekend, but.

Spoiler:

whoever did this, know that i will find you, and you shall die. this is a threat, and a promise.

i'll be around more tomorrow, will chew on this overnight. leaning towards xofelf right now i think? xofelf and...??? i'll go from there but i'll start here.
@xofelf: 2588: did nothing at all clear up for you after these two flips? i don't think that either of the wagons were quick (unless you mean like, that they happened at the end of the day? for me it feels like everything is dragged out until we're almost out of time so like... i don't think personally despite them happening at end of day that they're super quick imo?) but mainly i just wanna know what is clear for you when you're around.

i'll be around more tomorrow too thoooo

[Ydrasse]

sorry, irl happening. need to v/la for a while. depending on what happens i might be more active than i think i can be.

at this point everyone feels like a possibility to be scum so i’ll go down what i think are at least unlikely teams when i’m next around and work from that. it feels most accessible with what i can actually give to this game right now at a bare minimum.

[Ydrasse]

mod: v/la for 3 days

[Ydrasse]

everyone in this game: no energy, heads empty.

[Ydrasse]

(i am mentally drained too)

@adorable: can you explain your progression on me? i don't... remember you taking much of a stance on me ever and like, nothing that low for sure/mentions that would place me there?

[Ydrasse]

i am vt, ari, where did you think i claimed at?

[Ydrasse]

sorry btw for my absence, irl has been something, but, where would i have claimed?

[Ydrasse]

i am vt, ari, where did you think i claimed at?

Honestly I don't know. I just thought you had claimed VT already.

The following I had redacted earlier:
"Honestly I wasn't expecting the mason claim from you xof, I was wrong. But this is good shit and takes one more slot out of consideration. It makes a lot of sense with your play

It's Adorable/Ydrasse but we need the final claim."

I'll chat with the team here but the claims make Bulge's seem legit and I really thought Reck was the mason but he's town regardless. DV is strongly town and Xof is obvtown. For me it has to be Adorable/Ydrasse.

okay, so, there was no post at all that made you think i had claimed vt? you just assumed somewhere along the line that i did?

[Ydrasse]

the thing about you thinking that i had already claimed, and already claimed vt specifically, is that i think you slipped knowing what prs existed.

VOTE: aristophanes

[Ydrasse]

i'm saying that

aristophanes assumed that i had already claimed, and specifically vt, because ari already knew the setup and knew that i was a vt;

this is said before xof claimed but, assuming that they looked back at my interactions w datisi, they could assume i wasn't the other mason so.

basically he knows what the roles are and pre-emptively was like, "yep vt" to me before anything indicated that in the game itself

[Ydrasse]

it's basically a scumslip LMFAO

[Ydrasse]

also him saying it is exactly these two people, where barring a save from bulge scum wins in 2 elims, is scum is esp since i think that the table could be pushed to elim both me and adorable

[Ydrasse]

i also don't like the fact that it was ari who drove the massclaim, even if it was ~initiative~ to do things like... its just to find the mason and to figure out who he needs to work with the most tomorrow LMAO

bc like, assuming bulge isn't scum (im not living in that world rn) and is doc, he always dies tonight to avoid the save scenario if town is elimmed today

[Ydrasse]

youre acting like this is the first time this game i've sussed you when i've pointed out prior to this that youve done scummy things?

it's not nai in a setup where scum know all the roles, and i DO think you slipped. you saying "you really think i do that??" means.. nothing to me lmfao

[Ydrasse]

also no, i dont think this is protown; it just means now bulge will die tonight bc the save is always on the mason.

we didn't need to claim there; we should have wagoned as normal and if we didnt hit the mason, cool, they're safe another night and the mafia gets to choose btwn hitting bulge or hitting for power roles (which clearly they have been happy to do this game??)

like what good did this do for us?

[Ydrasse]

Yeah uh Ydrasse, I don't follow your reasoning for this either. You were in danger of elimination a few times, I actually thought you had claimed already too. I forgot that pushes melted off of you where you hadn't before either. I don't think this is a slip by Ari, but it sure sounds a little like desperation from you to suddenly jump all over that fact.

BUT that being said, I did look through your ISO just to see if maybe you had said something, and there was a post early on when you switched to this where in what looks to be a typo, could actually be a crumb about being vt instead because it was after Hectic said he needed something from you to sort you, and it's your post responding. This could also just be purely coincidental and actual typo.

i'm saying that ari already knows what i am going to claim and jumped the gun assuming it bc in his head he already knows me being vt as true, and was projecting that onto everyone else; it's not desperate bc like, in what world do i jump to that of all things instead of just... you know... pointing out the stuff from ari i've already done, on top of the fact that he outted the mason, on top of the fact he's lining up his solve now btwn me and adorable which like, wow, i get flipped today, he was wrong, and then tomorrow bulge dies and he gives it another go on adorable and then the game's over

i have not once crumbed in this setup nor would i ever want to given that scum knows exactly what's going on

[Ydrasse]

it's another thing on the pile for me to elim him at this point

i don't think i'm wrong on him, i was ready to elim you though so like, i guess that's the one thing that ari did right w forcing this massclaim LOL

[Ydrasse]

i already explained why i was upset about the mass claim?? it wasn’t necessary to do it then when we could have like... if xof didn’t get ran up today, and didn’t have to claim, then tonight the mafia would’ve had to decide whether to try and hit for the mason (which they have been fine to leave bulge alone all game!!!) or not and would’ve given us a potential save

like yeah cool i get to reset on a wrong read earlier but... also if xof got ran up and claimed then at least we would’ve gotten something out of them getting wagoned and seeing who was going where/with it, that’s what’s the irritating me about this whole thing

also wrt confidence: i’m confident at this point on ari being scum and i’m not going to back down on that at this point, i’ve gotten bit too many times when i feel sure on a read and then start speculating and wondering, there are too many things atp for me to ignore from him that are scummy. what i AM unsure about is who he’s partnered with but right now i’m just... not thinking about that and taking it one step at a time because i know he’s scum and that’s the most important thing to deal w fmpov

[Ydrasse]

like yeah cool i get to reset on a wrong read earlier but... also if xof got ran up and claimed then at least we would’ve gotten something out of them getting wagoned and seeing who was going where/with it, that’s what’s the irritating me about this whole thing

Did you get much from the other wagons in town that have happened in this game?

*on town

i skimmed the vcs last night but admittedly i wasn’t feeling it when i did so i ended up focusing on ari and saw that... he doesn’t vote too much which was like. ok.

i’m taking a peek now at the wagons but i don’t have a lot of time so this is going to be quickshot, what i consider objectively the “”worst”” votes without any posting context is just adorable, but ive consistently thought the way shes played doesn’t have agenda to it at all. at this point though, i’ll read her for content but meh, don’t think it’ll sway me

i’ll fact check her votes to her reads later but it’s hard for me to see her as scum

[Ydrasse]

VOTE: Ydrasse

[Ydrasse]

gg everyone!!

[Ydrasse]

i don’t want to talk about how angry that fake crumb made me

my psych hasn’t been the same since then