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[Hoopla]

who gave all these kids guns??

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VOTE: menalque

lets get him before he can dump his life story.

[Hoopla]

an interesting thing about this setup is the goon is a pseudo-godfather à la vengeful 5p.

if we elim the goon first, it essentially vanilla-ises the suicide bomber.

we should find the goon first.

[Hoopla]

@mod

can the suicide bomber bomb anyone after its death? (like a vengeful shot)

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if not, we may be able to goad the bomber into suiciding by leaving our top suspects dangling deliciously on E-1 for a while. if the tension is especially palpable, the bomber will surely crumble.
scum would HATE to miss out on a bombing by being hammered first.

[Hoopla]

actually, that strategy may be playing with fire, as the setup is symmetrical with the inclusion of an IC. we don't want the innocent babby ripping the cord prematurely.

[Hoopla]

Why would we want to let the bomber bomb instead of just hammering them?

by pushing through a quick-elim (or hammering out of nowhere) we risk eliminating an unclaimed IC.

to wait to check if a player is the IC is to also give the bomber a chance to bomb.

[Hoopla]

Yon didn't say anything about the ic you were talking about giving the bomber a chance to bomb before being quickhammered.

literally one post after #16 i realised the symmetrical dilemmas of the IC & bomber.

i was thinking out loud.

[Hoopla]

anywayz

UNVOTE:
VOTE: mare

[Hoopla]

I know but like I think it's an odd thing to think out loud that we should make sure the scum bomber gets a chance to bomb.

no, you see. it was a sneaky ploy to leave suspects on E-1 for a while, perhaps even taunting and threatening hammers. we don't

necessarily

elim them. merely sit with the tension of E-1 for a while. perhaps we unvote and move onto the next suspect. perhaps we hammer. or perhaps they crack and suicide, meaning we don't have to waste an elimination.

scum suiciding D1 would be a good thing imo.

[Hoopla]

but yah, like i said, this strategy potentially puts the IC in the hotseat too so it's less viable. we don't want an early IC claim.

[Hoopla]

Why is mare scum?

worst post on page 1 imo.

she may have won me back on page 2, however.

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mena, feel free to blow up the thread and get this game going.

this is the one and only time i'll allow it!

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UNVOTE:
VOTE: infinity

[Hoopla]

i'm trying to razz you up.

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is it working?

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Do you think you can articulate the mare thing any more? I felt like her opening post was awkward, but not necessarily scummy, and it could be an easy thing for scum to latch on to

i suppose it was a gut thing, and not a particularly strong gut thing. but i'll try and put words to those feelings.

her post stood out to me not because it was awkward per se, more that riffing on something someone else has said is a relatively safe entry to the game. for whatever reason - and it certainly isn't scientific - i associate early game novelty with more risk-taking behaviour. scum being more likely to blend in/pursue safe entrances.

[Hoopla]

So now I'm committing to being Flea's doublevote today for better or worse.

brazen move.

flea seems like a wildcard.

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UNVOTE:
VOTE: mena

back to E-1 you go.

[Hoopla]

Then convince me!
Do things and stuff!
Why am I wrong? How am I wrong? What's your thoughts on Mena at the moment?

seems kinda absurd to request refutation to a mystery vote.

[Hoopla]

can we keep vander around for a while? i like it when people agree with my plans.

we can elim him if everyone promises to placate me & let me make more plans tomorrow.

[Hoopla]

lets just say if i let this elim slide, i want to be nominated town captain on D2.

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That being said this is a weird question. I myself missed that the bomber is an any time bomber but I don't know how you'd get the idea it's vengeful.

i was pretty sure it couldn't. but if it could, it would invalidate the entire purpose of the idea i proposed on page 1.

[Hoopla]

Hoopla revolting me is also pingy but I’m kinda waiting on the explanation before I hardcall it

consider my vote like rubbing two damp sticks together trying to create a spark.

[Hoopla]

Hoopla revolting me is also pingy but I’m kinda waiting on the explanation before I hardcall it

consider my vote like rubbing two damp sticks together trying to create a spark.

I think this more or less falls within the remit of acceptable reasoning

What do you think of infinity so far hoopla?

i'm underwhelmed. i'm waiting for him to step up and dazzle me. where's the energy? where's the passion?

maybe he needs a spell at E-1 for a while.

UNVOTE:
VOTE: infinity

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UNVOTE:

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Intent to lol hammer any/all E1 wagons

solid play. this is exactly the kind of posturing i was envisaging.

if only infinity was the bomber. i swear it would have worked.

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i'm underwhelmed. i'm waiting for him to step up and dazzle me. where's the energy? where's the passion?

Not gonna happen, sorry

are you mopey because you have to shoot someone? usually the excitement of picking off your top suspect translates into in game enthusiasm.

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i have observed something in mena which makes me suspect he is town.

need to check a couple of his scumgames to make sure tho.

[Hoopla]

i have observed something in mena which makes me suspect he is town.

need to check a couple of his scumgames to make sure tho.

this is exciting.

the fabled hoopla/mena/infinity town-bloc could be back in action.

[Hoopla]

well, i was scum last time. but

this

time it is very likely a town-bloc.

[Hoopla]

la-de-da

VOTE: ythan

[Hoopla]

well, i was scum last time. but

this

time it is very likely a town-bloc.

Am I insane for seeing this as a possible scumslip? Lol

VOTE: hoopla

such was the synergy & harmony of our cooperation in pyp, i had somehow filed that game away in my brain as us all (me included) being town heros bravely building a game-winning alliance.

time flies.

[Hoopla]

that's a shame. i was just working my way around to asking you to sheep me if you're still feeling lost.

in any case, thoughts on ythan?

[Hoopla]

infinity slot is solved. he's either town that dies N1 or scum that dies N1. i'm 90% sure he is town because it's probably optimal to roll the dice as scum in his spot and hope that your E-1 wagon dissipates rather than guaranteeing your N1 death by claiming vig.

i like mena for town at the moment. small sample size, but i see similar defensiveness to people voting him as his last town game. perhaps he's just that sort of character in general regardless of alignment, but it's enough to go off for now. in any case, it seems obvious to me that the scum team isn't mena/flea. they're the first pairing i'm ruling out due to overly nuanced/unnecessary interactions at a stage of the game where it isn't necessary to interact like this with your buddy.

given this is a small game, ruling players out of possible pairings is actually a big boost to their town EV from a purely combinatorial perspective, ie; mena/flea can be scum with 4 players {ythan, mom, vander, mare}, whereas someone like an ythan can be scum with 5 players {mom, vander, mare, mena, flea}, thus are in more possible scumteams.

so, my current pool is {ythan, mom, vander, mare}.

am working on a reread to see if i can rule out more pairings, or at least start sifting within my pool with more clarity.

more to come...

[Hoopla]

or trying to pocket infinity

disgusting tactic if true

[Hoopla]

Hoopla can you tell me why I think your posting is Good but your presence unnerves me? (I’m vetoing the answer where you call me scum.)

are you diabetic?

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Intent to self hammer

Eliminations are better than no elims, someone do the job for me. Menalque has pulled some BS to place me in a corner that only my flip will release me from. No matter what happens at this point, I can't not be eliminated.

if you're town can you spare us the emotional flailing?

we've seen three E-1's already. your elimination isn't a foregone conclusion, so like, chill.

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i am still in your corner flea. you're more likely scum than mena, but i'd still rather not elim from a pairing that is highly unlikely to be scum/scum. at least on D1.

for those on flea's wagon: tell me if its possible for flea/mena's interactions to be scum/scum.
if not, then that is 20% less possible scumteams that flea can exist within.
ask yourself: is your confidence in scum-flea 20% better than random?

[Hoopla]

- Hoopla/infinity not aligned, and hoopla down if infinity!town
- vanders/flea not aligned, if flea not scum then vanders equity up

explain these conclusions please.

[Hoopla]

time is a factor, but your mena vote ain't going anywhere.

how about you join forces with me and give an ythan vote a go. he's barely received attention all game.

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Lil close to deadline to try and get that wagon formed. As it is, my wagon stalled (because both scum are on it already) and I've been twisted into a position where frankly I need to be flipped for information at this point.

it's an 8 player game. 36 hours is plenty of time when the majority required is small. the town is active enough for things to change.

if we get down to the last 6-12 hours i'll hammer you if need be. why not try something else in the mean time?

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Ythan is pretty obviously town imo, I don't see why he antagonizes vig!me as scum

i think that antagonisation could go either way.

his main bone of contention with you was that you're not confirmed town. which is technically true. you're close enough to confirmed town to not worry about it, but in my experiences it's a +scum trait when someone attempts to ensure psuedo-confirmed town aren't treated as completely confirmed.

scum like keeping the PoE as wide as possible.

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I think I could actually vote FLEA here. I wasnt fond of that hammer goading. It seems uncharacteristic

i'm not familiar with flea's body of work, but usually i find the "woe-is-me" act when under E-1 pressure a town trait. how is it uncharacteristic for flea? from my limited observation, flea seems to be the wildcard.

i'm not usually surprised when wildcards implode for no reason. it is part of their repertoire.

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my D1 PoE solve is ythan/mom.

maybe mare is in there, but need to reread her.

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I still think I'm the best elimination option today just because of Menalque essentially ripping the carpet from under me and barbed wiring me into a corner through their crappy context manipulation.

listen up, wildcard.

if you're town, signing off on your own elim is 100% a town elim. the "information" your elim supposedly yields is not worth passing up an opportunity to actually hit scum on D1.

you & mena could easily both be town. then what? you've played the martyr for no reason, tanking town's chances at hitting scum D1. in a game this small we don't have many mis-elims. each decision counts.

how about you see where an ythan vote might lead?

[Hoopla]

alright, i'm going to claim IC.

in an ideal world i'd prefer to claim D2, but i feel there's a very real chance infinity vigs me tonight if i stay silent which would be a disaster.

also, since the vig is out, me claiming now (as opposed to tomorrow) is immaterial as we end up with one conf-town D2 anyhow:

by claiming now, either scum shoot me or infinity (the other is IC tomorrow).
if i stayed silent, infinity is NK'ed if town and i am confirmed tomrorow.
if infinity is scum, the vig kills him and is conf-town tomorrow (or whenever they want to claim).

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i'm also claiming now to rule out me/flea as a scumteam.
infinity isn't scum with flea.
mena isn't scum with flea from early interactions.
i doubt mom is scum with flea who puts flea to E-1 this close to deadline when a counterwagon in ythan was building & available.

mare, vander, ythan are flea's only viable partners imo.

judging by flea's erratic and self-indulgent play, i suspect flea's not the bomber either. how does the wildcard not pull the trigger on a suicide bombing after being at E-1 all this time? flea's myopic doom about their own survival is convincing enough to me. think about it. if flea was really the bomber, could fae really resist the impulse to suicide in this spot if it was an available option?

so, for flea to scum, it has to be with one of mare/vander/ythan. and flea has to be the goon. that's a very narrow set of viable teams.

it's more likely (and bleeding obvious from my perspective) that flea is town.

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also, ythan has been lurky in recent times. if an opportunity to quickhammer him materialises in the next couple of hours it should be taken.

there's a chance we can nail the bomber without him taking a shot. given all the town power is out, this is a no risk play.

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VOTE: vanderscamp

what's your logic buddy?

[Hoopla]

can't you trust me on ythan?

you can shoot vander if i'm wrong.

[Hoopla]

how do you feel about mena?

[Hoopla]

i'm less sure about him now tbh.

[Hoopla]

if ythan doesn't go through, i'd rather a mom elim over vander.

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I want clarification from ythan that he isn’t the vig before we hammer anything

I had the thought that it was possible that infinity was IC and fakeclaiming vig for some reason and that’s why ythan was acting weird about the claim but if it’s hoopla then I’m not sure what the implication is

the implication is maybe the claims are what they seem.

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do it
do it

do it

[Hoopla]

GG scumbags

it felt as if generating reads from this D1 was like drawing blood from a stone. not enough movement and activity to create interesting interactions. perhaps that's a consequence of a micro game? not sure, don't really play that many of them. when a mini gets down to 7-8p, you have three days worth of history to help the PoE. this game felt like throwing darts a little bit - or at least relying heavily on intuition.

perhaps the gamestate being so stagnant was a good indicator that mena could be scum - as i suspect him as town wouldn't have been happy with letting the gamestate drift as it did. in any case, well played to him for closing out the deal. and a good shot from infinity to give us a chance.