TM 2021: A normal roguelike

[The Bulge]

cool and 2 conftowns

[Aristophanes]

i am vt, ari, where did you think i claimed at?

Honestly I don't know. I just thought you had claimed VT already.

The following I had redacted earlier:
"Honestly I wasn't expecting the mason claim from you xof, I was wrong. But this is good shit and takes one more slot out of consideration. It makes a lot of sense with your play

It's Adorable/Ydrasse but we need the final claim."

I'll chat with the team here but the claims make Bulge's seem legit and I really thought Reck was the mason but he's town regardless. DV is strongly town and Xof is obvtown. For me it has to be Adorable/Ydrasse.

[xRECKONERx]

cool and 2 conftowns

Yeah this is p much where I'm at, obvs xof is clear, and uh, I know it's maybe outguessing the mod but I feel like we NEED at least another PR on top of that to make this balanced? So like, cool

I guess there's a scum PR hiding in the VT claims somewhere but we can figure that out. That narrows things down significantly

[Ydrasse]

i am vt, ari, where did you think i claimed at?

Honestly I don't know. I just thought you had claimed VT already.

The following I had redacted earlier:
"Honestly I wasn't expecting the mason claim from you xof, I was wrong. But this is good shit and takes one more slot out of consideration. It makes a lot of sense with your play

It's Adorable/Ydrasse but we need the final claim."

I'll chat with the team here but the claims make Bulge's seem legit and I really thought Reck was the mason but he's town regardless. DV is strongly town and Xof is obvtown. For me it has to be Adorable/Ydrasse.

okay, so, there was no post at all that made you think i had claimed vt? you just assumed somewhere along the line that i did?

[Ydrasse]

the thing about you thinking that i had already claimed, and already claimed vt specifically, is that i think you slipped knowing what prs existed.

VOTE: aristophanes

[xRECKONERx]

the thing about you thinking that i had already claimed, and already claimed vt specifically, is that i think you slipped knowing what prs existed.

VOTE: aristophanes

Wait I don't follow this, what?

[Ydrasse]

i'm saying that

aristophanes assumed that i had already claimed, and specifically vt, because ari already knew the setup and knew that i was a vt;

this is said before xof claimed but, assuming that they looked back at my interactions w datisi, they could assume i wasn't the other mason so.

basically he knows what the roles are and pre-emptively was like, "yep vt" to me before anything indicated that in the game itself

[Ydrasse]

it's basically a scumslip LMFAO

[Ydrasse]

also him saying it is exactly these two people, where barring a save from bulge scum wins in 2 elims, is scum is esp since i think that the table could be pushed to elim both me and adorable

[Ydrasse]

i also don't like the fact that it was ari who drove the massclaim, even if it was ~initiative~ to do things like... its just to find the mason and to figure out who he needs to work with the most tomorrow LMAO

bc like, assuming bulge isn't scum (im not living in that world rn) and is doc, he always dies tonight to avoid the save scenario if town is elimmed today

[Aristophanes]

Lol okay this is easy then.

VOTE: Ydrasse
I'm down to 1v1.

Ydrasse, my thinking you had claimed was honestly nai. You really think as scum I slip the setup here? That is such a weak argument. But I get it. Who else do you push here?

Can't be your scumbuddy, obvtown, or a PR, leaving pretty much just me.
This push is so weak and so omgus. My pushing the massclaim theough was protown and got us here. And now you're scumposting.

[Ydrasse]

youre acting like this is the first time this game i've sussed you when i've pointed out prior to this that youve done scummy things?

it's not nai in a setup where scum know all the roles, and i DO think you slipped. you saying "you really think i do that??" means.. nothing to me lmfao

[Ydrasse]

also no, i dont think this is protown; it just means now bulge will die tonight bc the save is always on the mason.

we didn't need to claim there; we should have wagoned as normal and if we didnt hit the mason, cool, they're safe another night and the mafia gets to choose btwn hitting bulge or hitting for power roles (which clearly they have been happy to do this game??)

like what good did this do for us?

[xofelf]

Yeah uh Ydrasse, I don't follow your reasoning for this either. You were in danger of elimination a few times, I actually thought you had claimed already too. I forgot that pushes melted off of you where you hadn't before either. I don't think this is a slip by Ari, but it sure sounds a little like desperation from you to suddenly jump all over that fact.

BUT that being said, I did look through your ISO just to see if maybe you had said something, and there was a post early on when you switched to this where in what looks to be a typo, could actually be a crumb about being vt instead because it was after Hectic said he needed something from you to sort you, and it's your post responding. This could also just be purely coincidental and actual typo.

[Ydrasse]

Yeah uh Ydrasse, I don't follow your reasoning for this either. You were in danger of elimination a few times, I actually thought you had claimed already too. I forgot that pushes melted off of you where you hadn't before either. I don't think this is a slip by Ari, but it sure sounds a little like desperation from you to suddenly jump all over that fact.

BUT that being said, I did look through your ISO just to see if maybe you had said something, and there was a post early on when you switched to this where in what looks to be a typo, could actually be a crumb about being vt instead because it was after Hectic said he needed something from you to sort you, and it's your post responding. This could also just be purely coincidental and actual typo.

i'm saying that ari already knows what i am going to claim and jumped the gun assuming it bc in his head he already knows me being vt as true, and was projecting that onto everyone else; it's not desperate bc like, in what world do i jump to that of all things instead of just... you know... pointing out the stuff from ari i've already done, on top of the fact that he outted the mason, on top of the fact he's lining up his solve now btwn me and adorable which like, wow, i get flipped today, he was wrong, and then tomorrow bulge dies and he gives it another go on adorable and then the game's over

i have not once crumbed in this setup nor would i ever want to given that scum knows exactly what's going on

[xofelf]

Okay fair, thanks for clearing that bit up for me then.

Idk though, like, I don't think it's so THIS IS SCUM KILL IT WITH FIRE from Ari. But I at least understand a bit more where you're coming from, thank you.

[Ydrasse]

it's another thing on the pile for me to elim him at this point

i don't think i'm wrong on him, i was ready to elim you though so like, i guess that's the one thing that ari did right w forcing this massclaim LOL

[xRECKONERx]

I'm uh. Hmmm.

I don't think it's thinking Ydrasse had already claimed, it's specifically that Ari

already thought Ydrasse had claimed VT

that is sticking out to me here. That would imply some sort of setup knowledge.

Ari, why is this a 1v1, exactly? Are you that confident in your read on me and DV?

[xRECKONERx]

XOF SURVIVOR IS OVER THAT'S WHY I KNEW WHY YOU WERE BEING AFK SO NO MORE EXCUSES

[xofelf]

YUP NO MORE EXCUSES, I CAN EFFORT HERE NOW.

Look, I didn't realize Team Mafia was starting the same exact time as Barely Survivor. I've been freaking out trying to figure out how the fuck do I juggle playing this AND constantly checking in on the game. And the answer is *poorly* SO my spoons are free, they can now be zeroed in here. But like, tomorrow.

[DeasVail]

I’ll be here to work through things later tonight

[DeasVail]

DV, Reck, I'm guessing you missed that error of mine?

I did! I forgot whether Ydrasse had claimed or not and sort of had assumed that she would be a VT claim

[DeasVail]

i am vt, ari, where did you think i claimed at?

Honestly I don't know. I just thought you had claimed VT already.

The following I had redacted earlier:
"Honestly I wasn't expecting the mason claim from you xof, I was wrong. But this is good shit and takes one more slot out of consideration. It makes a lot of sense with your play

It's Adorable/Ydrasse but we need the final claim."

I'll chat with the team here but the claims make Bulge's seem legit and I really thought Reck was the mason but he's town regardless. DV is strongly town and Xof is obvtown. For me it has to be Adorable/Ydrasse.

When I was looking for mason I had also narrowed it down to reck or xof and thought it was reck because of the early "gut-town" read from Datisi.

What makes you sure Reck is town though? I was wondering if it could be Ydrasse/Reck

[DeasVail]

Ydrasse > Reck > Adorable > Ari

is my order of most likely scum

[DeasVail]

In my world where Reck was mason I was actually kind of confused because I had Ydrasse/Bulge as the most likely scumteam (yep it was that bad), so in some ways xof being mason opening up Ydrasse/Reck sort of makes me feel much better? I don't think anyone will appreciate the difference it makes for me but I feel clearer now