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[Luca Blight]

Think you missed this

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Unvote

I'm second guessing myself now.

[Luca Blight]

See ya... I would expect several players here to do it but Salsa also is a newer player so it isn't a for sure thing.

No, NPOM isn't scum and I don't see how NPOM would ever push the people he pushes as scum.

If he is scum, then hot damn good work and maybe we will catch him in lylo lol

. I just don't see a reason to vote that slot right now

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I get the feeling this is actually a crumb that he doesn't have a clear on him. The way he worded this post makes it sound as though he was hard TR'ing NPOM based on play alone and the players he pushed.

When you compare with the Datisi crumb, he gave no reasoning as to why he believed so strongly that Datisi was town, but with NPOM he gives clear reasoning.

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(2) i think? deathnote actually tracked fire to npom.

I was under the impression Fire had targeted Salsa, because there are players I would have expected to eat the NK before her.

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This makes my head want to explode

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I don't think fire lies about who he targeted?

I think he'd lie if that player had then been NK and flipped Town PR

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Oh wait, Salsa died after Fire

I'm losing it.

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Although it still makes sense that e might lie about that, because if he said he had visited Salsa the previous night and then Salsa then dies, then that condemns him the following day.

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I guess it's possible from the perspective that NPOM hard-bussed both partners, and both Saudade and Fire attempted as much distancing as possible before they were yeeted.

It's probably unlikely but I'm getting paranoid. I just came out of a game where an apparent 'conftown' ended up being the last scum and nearly won off the back of it.

[Luca Blight]

The one you co-modded with George.

Ejj replaced in and lied about their role, confirming Gamma as Town in the process. He was no longer conftown going into ELO but it still messed with my head quite a bit.

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I get the feeling this is actually a crumb that he doesn't have a clear on him.

yeah, i'm going back and forth on that.

The reason I say that is because I've done the same thing as Town PR in the past.

Actually you were in that game. I was Town informed and said 'I'm pretty sure Icon is Town but not 100% sure' so that if I died people wouldn't think I had an inno on him.

[Luca Blight]

when in doubt

sheep luca blight

VOTE: zuko

Wise words indeed.

[Luca Blight]

Look, I’m biased for being in the middle of it, but the push on Zuko was suspicious with zero knowledge. “You want to wagon this inactive slot? How about this OTHER slot that’s only slightly different?” I don’t think it would have succeeded even if I didn’t hold it back.

I know Luca’s going to come back and say I’m shading him, but whatever, I don’t think the strength of your TR on him is justified.

I gave clear reasons why I SR Zuko over Shepherd - he was trying to look good, Shepherd was not.

You said that there was little difference between them, but insisted on sticking on SoS regardless, and yet you try to make out I'm suspicious for pushing who I believed was more likely to be scum, and who actually turned out to be scum?

And yeah, your shading is scummy as f*ck because you don't seem to really believe I'm scum based on what you're generally pushing with regards to Elements, but keep throwing little bits of mud my way at weird intervals. It looks like you're trying to muddy the waters rather than genuinely game solve.

[Luca Blight]

sigh. the urge to just hammer the fuck out of that and hope it's over is immense. still think it's ranny > npom btw. npom's vague dropping of "ranny is scummy for x" while still being adamant in ele being scum makes me think he wants me to hammer ranny, but also wants to make sure we all know he wanted ele and then tomorrow he's gonna vote ele and say how he's town bc he didn't vote ranny while ele did.

Boy oh boy guess what Luca is going to do tomorrow

Anyway, I'll leave it up to Datisi from here. I've said what I needed to say, but I can clarify or expand on anything if need be.

If it were up to me I'd go for Ranny, but I'm probably only 55% v 45% sure on that one. I just hope the game ends today either way.

Meaningless CYA post if I ever saw one.

Are you

still

trying to make out I'm suspicious for allowing Datisi to decide the elim?

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NPOM, I love how you're brave enough to say the things I'm not.

NPOM was right, you are trying to pocket him.

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tbh i feel like exeing elements today always ends in loss because one of you always votes luca tomorrow so like no thanks

This is how I feel as well, although NPOM seems to be a little more open-minded now. I still don't trust him to choose correctly if it comes down to me vs Ranny.

[Luca Blight]

If you read great idea mafia you'll see I don't rush to judgement in elo.

Your stance a little earlier this day disproves that:

Today, we are eliming Elements
Tomorrow, if the game isn't over(which it should be) we are eliming Luca.

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Datisi if you make this me and ranny vs you and luca you are effectively making elements kingmaker.

Not really, as I don't TR Elements over you as of right now?

If it came down to you, me and Elements in ELO I'd have to reevaluate again.

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Stop throwing shade then

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Or at least throw shade that makes a degree of sense

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I'm flabbergasted that flipped town stated they would never vote me yet Datisi still prefers Luca.

Flipped Townies can be wrong.

Datisi knows my Town game very well (and apparently has experienced my scum game as well but idk which one) which explains his confidence.

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There is a big difference between my Town and scum meta. I find it hard to stay engaged/interested as scum. I can make some nice looking posts but I can't keep up the consistency, and my play is more cautious.

[Luca Blight]

Stop throwing shade then

Look, it’s like this.

I’m *pretty sure* the last scum is El.

I’m *very sure* that Datisi is town by mechanics and NPOM is town by play.

That means *if I’m right*, you must be town by POE.

*But* I’m not sure enough to self-hammer and trust you to get El on ELo. Even though that would make everyone’s lives easier. From my perspective, I am confirmed town and you are not. I think we win by voting El, but it’s close to the end and I have to consider all angles. And I’m going to say plainly what I think in case I’m the elim today and people need to look back at my play.

Even if that means shading you.

So you can just stop complaining about it.

So you're allowed to shade me but I'm not allowed to answer back?

If you don't want to have an argument then just drop it. If you have genuine reasons for suspecting me then by all means go right ahead.

I get that you can't fully trust me at this point if you're town, but you are reaching for the most stupid reasons to cast doubt on me and it's irritating.

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55% isn't set it stone. It has gone up and down throughout the day. I'm probably more like 75% on you being scum right now as I don't see your behaviour as being genuine at all.

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Luca, let’s have a civil discussion if you’re capable of that. Don’t cry “STOP SHADING MEEEEEEEEE!” every time I post something you disagree with.

Engage me, then. Don't just manufacture BS reasons to make out I'm suspicious.

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Like fmpov if you're not scum then it's most probably Elements, but you don't see me throwing random digs at them.

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“Not genuine” mean “I don’t like it” in Luca speak. Confbias much?

What did I do that’s not genuine? You don’t think you’re genuinely getting on my nerves, my dude?

I've already explained why your reasons are complete BS.

Fine, what is the other 25%? If it’s changed by now, what is the remainder?

Elements. I think NPOM is probably Town, although I sometimes get paranoid. I don't see me voting him over you or Elements as things stand.

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Elements isn’t posting.

Doesn't really matter. A lot of the things you've shaded me on have been based on stuff from previous days.

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What do you mean?

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I got a big Town ping from NPOM choosing to meta me to discover that my stance towards Datisi wasn't scum-indicative. I've still got mixed feelings on the DeathNote 'crumb', but in general my gut is telling me he's more likely Town. I'd have to reevaluate again in ELO if it came down to it, but right now I think he's Town.

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Can you link that

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I actually don't mind being shaded, but your points made no sense, and the fact you haven't followed up on them means you probably know that yourself.

[Luca Blight]

Finished Phase 1 of my wiki.

Hey Datisi, I saw you were in the game where NPOM rolled scum. Do you have any m*ta insights to share?

NPOM just has one scum game on record, but he was more memey/less solvey in it.

So what was I supposed to give a Town point for exactly?

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I actually don't mind being shaded, but your points made no sense, and the fact you haven't followed up on them means you probably know that yourself.

It means I’m tired of rehashing the same old arguments. I’ve spoken with you about SoS vs Zuko before. I was trying to explain to Datisi how in my POV it doesn’t make you locktown, in the last thing you were complaining about.

If you're Town then I'm not locktown to you because if it's not Elements it must be me, right? That's fair enough. Why not just be honest about that?

Saying I was suspicious for voting Zuko over SoS D1 is complete and utter

BS

and I'll call it out as such each and every time.

[Luca Blight]

Finished Phase 1 of my wiki.

Hey Datisi, I saw you were in the game where NPOM rolled scum. Do you have any m*ta insights to share?

NPOM just has one scum game on record, but he was more memey/less solvey in it.

So what was I supposed to give a Town point for exactly?

Nothing really, but I thought you might want to be consistent. I don’t understand why you want to TR NPOM for meta-diving you. Are you just flattered he would do that to you?

Your 'meta-dive' wasn't comparable at all.

As scum it would have been so easy to sit in the position of 'yeah Luca is scummy for saying that'. He put in effort to actually see for himself if it was scum-indicative, and I don't think he would have done that as scum.

Based on your own meta-read on NPOM you'd surely agree with that conclusion?

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I still think the ranny post where he scumreads two town players is town indicative.

And this is why I'm never voting Elements today. I don't trust you to make the right call in ELO between me and Ranny if Elements flips green.

[Luca Blight]

Ranny seems like a decent player. Why would such a play be beyond him as scum? I don't get it.

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It seemed scummy to me because he was testing the water tentatively, just as he has been towards me today.

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I feel as though I've made solid arguments. If I need to I'll take the time to consolidate it into one post later.

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And you're Ranny vote did not look town at all.

Why?

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I feel as though I've made solid arguments. If I need to I'll take the time to consolidate it into one post later.

If you’re town: how sad, putting in all that effort just to be wrong.

If you’re scum: go get ‘em, pal!

Your attempts at emotional manipulation aren't going to make me change my mind.

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Because it sounded like you didn't really think Ranny was scummy, you just wanted to make sure Datisi had the deciding vote.

I've said why I think Ranny is scum in general though, so you're taking it out of context? It's not like I haven't talked about it.

I've also talked about how an Elements green flip loses the game for Town, based on your earlier stance.

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And as we've established, I am always willing to let the conftown decide in these situations. I'll give my opinion but at the end of the day they are in the best position to make the call.

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I was also less sure between Ranny/Elements at the time - right now I'm more sure of it being Ranny, which is why I'm encouraging Datisi to vote there.

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And as we've established, I am always willing to let the conftown decide in these situations. I'll give my opinion but at the end of the day they are in the best position to make the call.

The only time I wouldn't agree to this is if I didn't trust the conftown's judgement.

In the game NPOM linked Kick was Conftown. In the games I linked Frogster and Joq were conftown. In this game Datisi is conftown. I respect all of these players' opinions and Mafia ability.

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To be honest I'm scared to change my mind at this point, because I think if you are scum and survive this day you'll probably go on to win.

If it is indeed Elements then I don't think they win in ELO anyway.

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I don't think it's town at all to defer an elimination to a conftown. You should be conftown to yourself.

So you still suspect me for that, even though you’ve seen multiple examples of me doing the same thing as Town in previous games?

I’ve also been strongly pushing for the elim of the player I SR since I have become more sure of my read.

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No it’s not, and you’re continuing to exaggerate it and remove it from context.

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Well that's made things a bit easier, as Elements is now confirmed scum fmpov.

VOTE: Elements

I'll start making my case against them soon.

[Luca Blight]

I actually think NPOM was a sub-optimal NK, but I think I can deduce the reasoning behind it

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Although elements posting fast night before the flip leads me to believe he is scum.

In fact I'm going out on a limb and saying that's a scumslip. Town would assume the game is over especially since he voted ranny.

Elements was probably concerned about this and thought they'd have stronger chance WIFOM'ing Datisi in ELO.

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I also thought Elements' stance on NPOM Yesterday was weird generally.

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I still just think it's ranny

why do you think it's ranny, esp if dn doesn't have a clear on npom?

Day one NPOM is very town. NPOM after deciding to work with us this day phase is very town.
Luca is also quite town.

This, in hindsight, seems like ELO prep.

Elements was hard TR'ing me earlier in the day, but then changes their stance here probably after reasling a NPOM elim in ELO was going to be very unlikely.

[Luca Blight]

Elements' view on NPOM really seems agenda-driven the more I look at it.

Spoiler:

VOTE: NPOM

VOTE: NPOM

Is this seriously who you think is scum or is this pressure?

I think it's NPOM

VOTE: Ranny
It's just Ranny then

npom confuses me

does anyone else think npom is spouting random garbage?

I still just think it's ranny

why do you think it's ranny, esp if dn doesn't have a clear on npom?

Day one NPOM is very town. NPOM after deciding to work with us this day phase is very town.
Luca is also quite town.

There are potential mech clears on NPOM and (as I've said a number of times) his day one was very towny. I've been trying to hold on to my town read on NPOM basically the entire game because I'm rlly good at succumbing to recency bias. Like, if someone does one, in my eyes, garbage post, that can often sway my read on them.

At the start of D5 Elements votes NPOM and states with some conviction that he is the last scum, before moving over to Ranny when it came out about the possible DeathNote track. Elements then throws some shade at NPOM as the day progresses and people became a little paranoid of him, then nearing the end of the day Elements laid down his cards and decided to hard-TR NPOM.

Yes, Elements townread NPOM earlier in the game, but this seems political rather than organic. Most likely Elements was trying to butter NPOM up a bit, before the twilight posts that got him killed.

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Right now this is where I'm at:

NPOM makes most sense from the perspective of scum bussing hard and committing to that. I'd normally rule this out, but the way Saudade and Firebringer played means this is a possiblilty.

Elements makes most sense in terms of his lack of interest/interactions with the Firebringer slot, and in terms of creating distancing but trying to steer away from the elim before realising it's too far gone.

Rannygazoo makes the most sense in terms of deflecting away from Zuko D1. He looks more Townie than the others in terms of his Saudade stance I'd say. Probably in terms of his Firebringer stance as well.

Gun to head, I'd probably say Elements is most likely, followed by NPOM and then gazoo.

I'm willing to bet that Datisi is Town, and I'd like to hear his opinion on everything before I commit to voting.

This is Luca literally setting himself up to vote whichever way the town choose to lean.

That's one way to twist it.

By the same token Datisi was also setting himself up to vote any of them, as he was also very much torn between the three.

You're also ignoring the context - that was at the start of the day and my views (incorrectly) changed as the day developed.

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i cba to do the other two but if you go through Luca's iso from yesterday he's throwing shade at all three of NPOM, Ranny, and I.

It's called sorting.

If it was that scummy you would have called it out Yesterday instead of saving it up for ELO.

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Elements' view on NPOM really seems agenda-driven the more I look at it.

Spoiler:

VOTE: NPOM

VOTE: NPOM

Is this seriously who you think is scum or is this pressure?

I think it's NPOM

VOTE: Ranny
It's just Ranny then

npom confuses me

does anyone else think npom is spouting random garbage?

I still just think it's ranny

why do you think it's ranny, esp if dn doesn't have a clear on npom?

Day one NPOM is very town. NPOM after deciding to work with us this day phase is very town.
Luca is also quite town.

There are potential mech clears on NPOM and (as I've said a number of times) his day one was very towny. I've been trying to hold on to my town read on NPOM basically the entire game because I'm rlly good at succumbing to recency bias. Like, if someone does one, in my eyes, garbage post, that can often sway my read on them.

At the start of D5 Elements votes NPOM and states with some conviction that he is the last scum, before moving over to Ranny when it came out about the possible DeathNote track. Elements then throws some shade at NPOM as the day progresses and people became a little paranoid of him, then nearing the end of the day Elements laid down his cards and decided to hard-TR NPOM.

Yes, Elements townread NPOM earlier in the game, but this seems political rather than organic. Most likely Elements was trying to butter NPOM up a bit, before the twilight posts that got him killed.

I find this "case" on me absolutely hilarious. You are literally quoting my confusion at who scum could be and calling it an agenda.

Also Luca, you made the wrong kill. I was erring more on the lise of voting NPOM today if you'd killed Datisi

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Right back at ya buddy

I was very unsure of NPOM coming into this day, so was relieved to see him flip.

And it doesn't seem to me like it was real confusion. Easy for me to say knowing you're confscum, of course.

[Luca Blight]

Shade at NPOM

Spoiler:

VOTE: saudale

This, within the surrounding context, seems a probable bus. NPOM was hard-pushing Cook, and when the wagon didn't gain traction and the Saudade wagon was picking up pace again (DeathNote had just voted him) NPOM switches to Saudade and then pushes him with utmost conviction. I played with NPOM is a couple of previous games and I don't remember him ever being so sure in his reads as he has been in this game.

And the general 1v1 dynamic between Saudade and NPOM makes sense from someone who knows he's being bussed and just wants to create as much distance as possible.

This also follows a similar pattern:

Nah. It's hard to scum hunt when your answers can't be taken seriously. We can do this the official way though.

VOTE: firebringer

I want to know your role and what actions you took since you want to be coy about it.

VOTE: firebringer

Sounds like he is setting up to retract his cop claim.

VOTE: NPOM

I fake claimed cop our first game together.

Once again DeathNote votes scum, NPOM follows suit and quickly gets into a 1v1 with said scum. Both Saudade and Firebringer played like they were being bussed, given they're both experienced players. I believe the plan behind this was to sacrifice Firebringer for the sake of outing a PR and giving his partner enough towncred to coast home once the PR's had been killed.

I guess it's possible from the perspective that NPOM hard-bussed both partners, and both Saudade and Fire attempted as much distancing as possible before they were yeeted.

It's probably unlikely but I'm getting paranoid. I just came out of a game where an apparent 'conftown' ended up being the last scum and nearly won off the back of it.

See ya... I would expect several players here to do it but Salsa also is a newer player so it isn't a for sure thing.

No, NPOM isn't scum and I don't see how NPOM would ever push the people he pushes as scum.

If he is scum, then hot damn good work and maybe we will catch him in lylo lol

. I just don't see a reason to vote that slot right now

.

I get the feeling this is actually a crumb that he doesn't have a clear on him. The way he worded this post makes it sound as though he was hard TR'ing NPOM based on play alone and the players he pushed.

When you compare with the Datisi crumb, he gave no reasoning as to why he believed so strongly that Datisi was town, but with NPOM he gives clear reasoning.

Yeah, I suspected NPOM at the start of D5 and became paranoid at certain later stages. What's the issue there?

Whereas you just followed the crowd while throwing bits of shade when it suited you, before committing to a TR when NPOM's elim seemed out of the picture.

There was nothing natural or organic about your NPOM read progression on D5.

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I just realized something

Spoiler:

Town
{Noraa, Npom, Rannygazoo}
{Datisi, SoS}
{Luca}
{Salsabil, Zuko}
{Daisy, cook}
Scum

VOTE: Daisy

Town
{Noraa, Npom, Rannygazoo}
{Datisi, SoS}
{Luca, Shigaraki, Death}
{Salsabil, Zuko}
{Daisy, cook}
Scum

Updated to include all players, for some reason I thought this was an 11 player game.

Again, I just don't forget a scum buddy at the start of the game.

I thought at the time that it was weird to post read lists on the start of page 2, and this now explains the purpose of them.

If you were Town I doubt you would have even remembered this and brought it along with you to ELO.

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Elements' progression on Saudade the day he was ganked was also unnatural

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Keep reaching, Elements.

And your point about interactions with Saudade also applies to yourself.

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How are you getting on, Datisi?

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The desperate shading continues

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If Saudade is scum then he's almost certainly getting bussed by someone as he doesn't seem to give a shit.

he said, while not being on the wagon

I was on the wagon before and after the quote, so I don't really get this point? You also seemed to agree with what I said at the time.

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so luca finds these three suspicious (note that there is zero cook in this)

VOTE: Saudade

wagon builds up on sau, goes to e-1

VOTE: cook

npom is the first vote on cook for unknown reasons but ok

The more I think of it, I don't think the Shig NK makes sense if both Shig and Cook are Town.

Shig was clearly BS'ing and baiting the NK, whereas Cook doubled-down on his claim, and was the cc which are generally seen to be more reliable,

and

Cook was more TR than Shig.

VOTE: Cook

Even if there is a scum RB, I don't understand why they wouldn't kill Cook and block Shig in this instance, which would then probably lead to Shig's elim on D2.

and now all of a sudden luca is voting there????

I clearly gave my reasoning though? It's not like it was out of nowhere and unexplained.

It literally made zero sense to me how Cook could be Town in that situation following the Shig flip, and I was fully intent on pushing Cook the following day as well as I didn't believe him to be scum. There's no doubt in my mind that scum knew he must be a cop (probably from the informed role) which explains the lack of a push against Cook that day despite my pressure. Scum didn't want to get their hands dirty and preferred to NK him.

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I get why the Daisy vote might give you a little pause for thought, but I stand by what I said there - I believed they were likely partners or Saudade was being pocketed, either way I thought Daisy was very likely to be scum there.

You've seen my scum game first hand in the mini normal and it is night and day to my Town game. This is my Town game. I'm being as open and transparent as I possibly can here.

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yeah looking back luca doesn't look too hot here. it seems like there's desire to wagon anything and everything that is not named saudade..

And this just isn't true. I scumread Saudade since D1 but wasn't tunneled on him. I thought Cook was really scummy (as did you), I thought Daisy was most likely scum (as did you), so hopefully you can understand my perspective. Yes, it's easy to nitpick these things in hindsight, but at the time I think you'd agree my stances were always reasonable.

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I mean look at this development here:

VOTE: saudade

Naked vote right off the bat D2

lets go team
we can elim sausage before he even gets to the thread

The wagon picks up pace and then Elements is calling for his elim before he even returns to the thread? When I saw this I actually thought Elements had a guilty or something, as otherwise this attitude doesn't make sense from an uninformed perspective.

elements how do you move from voting me to voting datisi with me so easily without saying a word

I currently have two reads I'm happy with:
NPOM town
Daisy scum

So I'm flowing my vote with what's happening to see if it'll help me figure anyone else out.
Your return to day 2 has me leaning on you town and your wagon expanded like a balloon.
So I'm listening to what your saying and moving my vote to Datisi. Not that that's explicitly what you said, I just felt that's the way the wind was blowing

Elements than townreads Saudade based on his reaction to the wagon, and the fact that Elements doesn't trust how the wagon blew up.

geez where did all this sausage hate come from

Elements re-enters the thread with a light defence of Saudade.

ooo, in that case I'd be in favour of a saudade elim over a Daisy one
VOTE: saudade

Suddenly Elements is very keen on a Saudade elim again?

At this point Elements probably knew Saudade and Daisy would be the next two elims, and knew they had to grab that towncred by bussing Saudade first.

It is such an obvious bus that I'm kicking myself for not having followed my gut on this Yesterday.

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you're right Luca, following the reads of someone you're buddying is a good tactic

Only I wasn't doing that, as if you were reading you'd know.

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Page-topping this:

I mean look at this development here:

VOTE: saudade

Naked vote right off the bat D2

lets go team
we can elim sausage before he even gets to the thread

The wagon picks up pace and then Elements is calling for his elim before he even returns to the thread? When I saw this I actually thought Elements had a guilty or something, as otherwise this attitude doesn't make sense from an uninformed perspective.

elements how do you move from voting me to voting datisi with me so easily without saying a word

I currently have two reads I'm happy with:
NPOM town
Daisy scum

So I'm flowing my vote with what's happening to see if it'll help me figure anyone else out.
Your return to day 2 has me leaning on you town and your wagon expanded like a balloon.
So I'm listening to what your saying and moving my vote to Datisi. Not that that's explicitly what you said, I just felt that's the way the wind was blowing

Elements than townreads Saudade based on his reaction to the wagon, and the fact that Elements doesn't trust how the wagon blew up.

geez where did all this sausage hate come from

Elements re-enters the thread with a light defence of Saudade.

ooo, in that case I'd be in favour of a saudade elim over a Daisy one
VOTE: saudade

Suddenly Elements is very keen on a Saudade elim again?

At this point Elements probably knew Saudade and Daisy would be the next two elims, and knew they had to grab that towncred by bussing Saudade first.

It is such an obvious bus that I'm kicking myself for not having followed my gut on this Yesterday.

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That doesn't square with:

I am not competent enough as scum to make it to a final three with this much uncertainty going on

[Luca Blight]

I was fully intent on pushing Cook the following day as well as I didn't believe him to be scum.

Didn't believe him to be Town* obviously

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Elements is literally scraping the bottom of the barrel for shade at this point

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I really dislike self-meta, but I cannot imagine myself pushing someone I know to be a cop as scum in the manner I did this game

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I am very cautious with my pushes when I am scum. I generally sit on the fence and go along with the flow.

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If you'd seen some of my more recent Town games then I'm sure you wouldn't be suspecting me for those posts, Datisi.

For example in a recent game:

Hayker. PlusJOYED. Cheeky.

I want to eliminate one of these slots as things stand.

I just realised that this is Hayker's first game in like 8 years, so perhaps they're a bit rusty/out of touch.

I ended up catching quite a bit of heat for this stance. Hayker and Cheeky were scum, PlusJoyed was Town, but I ended up pushing PlusJoyed much more than the other two based on a slight preference. I then ended up voting to eliminate a different player (Nero) based on second-hand meta.

pedit: I hadn't got around to considering it by that point, Datisi. I laid out my thought-process in the thread as it came to me.

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I think if you read through around pages 43 and 44 you can see I was making sense of the situation as I went. There was nothing planned or calculated about it.

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This doesn't really make sense as a S/S interaction:

Spoiler:

What do you think of Cook, Saudade?

I don't have him in my thoughts

I remember it cause his posts were excellent and it pinged me that you called his latest posts weird

What do you think of Cook, Saudade?

is there a reason for this questions besides trying to appear like you're doing things or?

What do you think of Cook, Saudade?

is there a reason for this questions besides trying to appear like you're doing things or?

I think he's scum. I wanted your opinion on the matter

I thought he was cop

I don't get why scum would kill Shig over Cook, when Shig's claim was nonsensical

Most likely Cook is scum who will:

1) Continue to be 'blocked'

2) Try to miselim someone tomorrow based on a 'guilty'

3) 'Clear' someone and look to Wifom his way home to victory

do you townread your friend datisi there

I'm trying to push the Cook wagon and Saudade is completely uninterested, and instead tries to change the focus to Datisi instead.

Again, scum had no interest pushing Cook as they knew his claim was legit. There is no way on Earth that I suddenly hard-push Cook as scum in this situation. I hard-pushed him because I strongly suspected his claim was BS.

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I am not competent enough as scum to make it to a final three with this much uncertainty going on

you're giving my scum game way too little credit here luca

to get to a final three scum have to be good.
Luca has clearly played a better game here than I have, there's like 0 chance I would've made it here as scum with sausage as a partner

You're just saying whatever suits your current line of argument.

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And to be honest you haven't done a great deal since your last scum partner was ganked. You pushed Daisy, which was an easy push, but Yesterday you sat back and allowed Town to bury itself.

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You're just saying whatever suits your current line of argument.

that's how lines or argument work...

The point is you're not being sincere.

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And me playing a decent game is no argument for me being scum, as I'm not a good scum player. At least, I'm not actively engaged as scum. I can fake arguments and reasoning to some extent, but I really lose interest fast. This is like the complete opposite of my scum game.

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3p LYLO? I can't remember ever getting that far as scum.

I had a 5p LYLO when I was scum with Norwegian a while back in a Newbie and I think Not_Mafia rashly voted and it was an easy win.

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I've had two very recent 3p Town Lylo's which both resulted in wins

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I'm about to go to sleep. Anything else you want to talk about before I go Datisi?

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This was the newbie I was talking about. Probably one of my better scum performances, but still worlds away from my play in this game.

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The game I referenced here was one of the 3p Lylo's I was in as Town. The other was the game you co-modded with George

If you'd seen some of my more recent Town games then I'm sure you wouldn't be suspecting me for those posts, Datisi.

For example in a recent game:

Hayker. PlusJOYED. Cheeky.

I want to eliminate one of these slots as things stand.

I just realised that this is Hayker's first game in like 8 years, so perhaps they're a bit rusty/out of touch.

I ended up catching quite a bit of heat for this stance. Hayker and Cheeky were scum, PlusJoyed was Town, but I ended up pushing PlusJoyed much more than the other two based on a slight preference. I then ended up voting to eliminate a different player (Nero) based on second-hand meta.

pedit: I hadn't got around to considering it by that point, Datisi. I laid out my thought-process in the thread as it came to me.

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i remember that game. i was very close to subbing into norwee's slot. that would've been fun.

Your title suits you well lol

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A decent scum performance from ages ago.

I hope you can notice how different my play is even from my best scum performances. This is an example where I post some nice looking posts but lack any intensity to my game.

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A good scum performance when I did a lot of bussing/distancing.

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I was pretty much reliant on distancing in this game as I was struggling to make pushes on anyone else lol

Most of my scum games have been terrible but those are the few decent ones

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Luca, when was the last time you played scum?

viewtopic.php?f=2&t=82764

Featuring Datisi in disguise

I was terrible, lacking any motivation and ended up replacing out and having an extended break from Mafia

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Almost forgot about this one. I was scumread early on for inactivity so came back just throwing shade at everyone and ended up being Townread for it. I then reverted back to being more cautious again later on but managed to sneak the win.

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i looked at all three of your scum lylos and all of them are like. nothing.

Why only compare the Lylos? My play generally is really different imo

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If you want to compare my recent Town Lylos then that might be more productive, especially the one you modded with George as I was also the non conftown having to make my case.

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Even the fact that my scum Lylos were uneventful probably suggests that I wouldn't have gone down this path as scum.

If I were scum I NK you and hope NPOM rashly votes Elements in LYLO, leading to another nothing LYLO.

Ok off to bed

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ok so
this might be a bit stupid, but luca, were you online during d5 twilight, after ranny selfhammered? i think i saw you online, how come you didn't post anything?

I might have been, I honestly can't remember? I often pop online to see what's up while on my phone when I'm out, but I don't like phone posting unless I really feel an urgent need to say something. I thought I was

invisible

to avoid being read for this, but apparently not.

And generally I believe that twilight posting before a potential 3p Lylo is only going to help scum make a more informed NK. If I were expecting to eat the NK then I might have rushed to give my two pence, but otherwise I'd probably just wait for the flip regardless.

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luca you wouldn't break my heart here would you?

luca did not answer this

very suspicious hmmmmmmm

I think you know my Town game well enough to know the answer to that

yet you still didn't answer it

curious

big thonk on this still getting ignored

I think the more pertinent question here is would you break mine?

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I think you're alive because you defended Elements a bit Yesterday and NPOM thought Elements had scum-slipped during twilight.

I get you Townread me more than Elements Yesterday, but so did NPOM. Elements probably thought that you would be more likely to change your mind than NPOM, who seems very stubborn based on his opinions in this game alone. Perhaps Elements also thought that Luca!scum wouldn't kill Datisi in that scenario, and thought you might become paranoid when you found you were still alive? Idk I can only speculate, but I believe the main reason was probably NPOM's comments during twilight.

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You could literally say that about anything I say about your possible NK motive. It's all pure wifom.

I know you're scum, and based on what NPOM said during twilight I would guess that is the reason. Maybe you had already made up your mind on killing NPOM before that based on you hard-TR'ing him, but I can only guess.

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Ans it's like like I've been

'pushing that line'

all that much. It was directly in response to Datisi's question.

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it's not like*

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So the 'TMI' line doesn't work when you are already confirmed scum to me - by definition I have all the information I need, and the dots become a lot easier to connect when this is the case.

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i'm annoyed and/or worried bc while luca does feel

townie

, he doesn't feel

i would bet on the next three games i have that luca is town

Is that just because of the Cook stuff, or is there another reason?

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the way i usually read luca is by whether his posts feel like he's reading my mind and typing it out. there are two big ~events~ that make me doubt town!luca. those are (1) continuously scumreading cook on day 2 and (2) insisting he wouldn't push cook as scum.

Just to go over these a bit more, as I'm not sure what else to do right now:

1) I couldn't get my head around Cook being Town after considering the Shig flip. I was convinced he'd be alive day three with another 'blocked' result. It also made no sense to me how Cook seemed to know he wouldn't be blocked Day 3, so I then thought he might fake a result. All of this was from a position of ignorance on my part.

2) I usually don't make such arguments, but it's like when the other person is using such arguments you want to be on a level playing field. I realize it's all wifom BS really.

But I do think as scum I'd have thought long and hard about pushing someone I

know

to be a cop, because that's not going to be a good look when he flips. I know you said you would as scum, but you must be a more competent, or at least confident, scum player than I am. I've shown games where I can play as scum to some effect, but I don't think I've ever hard-pushed a claimed PR? I have 'tunneled' on LHF as scum before but that's about the extent of it.

But yeah, it's all wifom and if I were scum I'd probably be saying the same thing, so feel free to ignore that line of argument if you want.

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And just one more thing that popped into my head:

Do you really think I'd push Cook's elim as scum knowing that there's a cop-enabler Miller at large?

Meaning there's no way my push would be successful

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Like, Saudade never once pushed Cook probably for that reason

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When I made that comment I meant more like argue in the thread in order to create content without creating townie enemies, which obviously doesn’t apply if your partner is inactive

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Lol the tension is killing me here

Remember that NPOM SR Elements right? It would have been a lot easier ELO for scum!me if I killed you because I know how paranoid you get of me even when you’re sure I’m Town

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Elements has given up and is just hoping you give in to paranoia

That should tell you something. Pretty similar to my recent 1v1 in Elo with Gamma

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I’ve got a feeling you just want to torture me for as long as possible lol

Put me out of my misery pls

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Can you at least let me know which way you’re leaning

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i am not enjoying this!!

Put us both out our misery then

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Ok I’ll leave you to it then

Just make sure you place a vote before deadline lol

Pedit: I was asleep

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I woke up and saw the thread was locked and was like wtf happened

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I think element’s reluctantly busses both partners in the end

I have to go for a bit but I’ll be back in a few hours if you want to talk about anything else

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I think all I can say now is that you've been paranoid of me every time in the past despite townreading me and ended up making the right choice to trust me, and I hope you can again.

Either way, it's been a fun game for the most part and I'll respect your decision, because I know making the call in ELO is never easy. It's my fault for not agreeing to the Elements elim Yesterday, which was my preference before I got sucked into the argument with Rannygazoo, which skewed my judgement I guess.

But yeah, either way I know you've taken a long time and put a lot of effort into making this call, so if you choose to vote me then fair play to Elements. I won't criticize you for it at all as I know it's not a decision you've made lightly. Obviously I *hope* you'll choose to vote Elements, but that's entirely out of my hands at this point, and is my own fault because of D5 like I said.

good luck

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Finally....it's over

Do you want to know if you were correct, or wait for the big reveal?

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Spoiler:

I was scum

sorry I feel bad

[Luca Blight]

Spoiler:

I've probably used up all your trust for any future games I'm sure

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Spoiler:

lol it's just awkward posting in spoilers so I was waiting for the reveal

I'm not trolling

I'm usually bad at scum, I'm not sure why I but I felt into this game

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Spoiler:

I misunderstood the information from the informed role

I thought it meant there was a 'macho cop' in the game

That's why FL died N1 lol

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Spoiler:

I was 1 shot RB, wasted my action on Cook N1

I felt like the game was Town-sided? I complained a fair bit in the scum pt lol

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Spoiler:

Hmm probably not AI, I suck at answering questions like that as either alignment lol

I was amazed when there was a Tracker after a JK and 2 shot cop had already flipped. That's three top tier roles, and I only had 1 shot RB

Plus you were informed of our informed so we lost that advantage as well

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...that’s a joke, right?

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Yes, you did! So evil

No redactions from me

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Shows how much I know about setups then if that was scum-sided. I think Datisi played the miller role well but both sides needed some luck there

Fire suggested killing Deathnote instead of Cook so in hindsight that would have made things easier

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Good game everyone

Was a slow burner but an entertaining game overall that could have gone either way

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Spoiler: me desperately stalling for a Zuko replacement

@Mod:

can we get a prod on Zuko, please

I don't get your point about my Cook vote being a pressure vote.

I was pushing the Cook elim, and no-one seems interested in joining. Now I'm just waiting for something from the Zuko slot before I decide what I want to do next.

Let's wait for the Zuko slot to do something before anyone hammers, please.

I forgot to pm Prince Zuko the prod so I'll just give him an extra day to reclaim.

Hopefully if Zuko is replaced the deadline is extended, then.

I'm probably just going to vote Saudade here but I really want the Zuko slot doing something today. The slot is like an anchor on this game right now.

We can elim Saudade today but there’s no rush. Let the replacement for Zuko enter the game first

Yeah and it sucks, but it’s better he’s replaced today than carrying a dead slot into D3.

VOTE: saudade
e-1

Why are you in such a rush to end the day?

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Noraa forgetting to prod Zuko was a blow to my hopes of saving Saudade lol

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Thanks

Yeah, I certainly didn't want to bus but it was a tight spot. Town played pretty well and forced my hand there tbf.

I really thought the game was over after the Fire elim because I was asleep and didn't even get a chance to bus lol

NPOM was tricky in this game. I thought he'd be unpredictable in ELO, whereas I thought bringing Datisi to ELO would pretty much guarantee a win if I played my cards right, but I knew it would be a long and difficult process