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[innocentvillager]

it’s way too convenient that right as Hopkirk died

also oka Im confused at why you are pushing jjh? I feel like if anything you could like... try to convince us that you and jjh are both town? I don’t see how that’s completely impossible at least?

[innocentvillager]

i get that you think his checks are suboptimal, and that you are pushing for the fact that he is "creating a worldview where his checks are not suboptimal"

but i also think it's pretty clear that if, for example, you strongly TR the person who claimed VT (such as Ythan in this case), people (me and Ceph here, for example) would definitely not have checked them?

I should probably be paying more attention here huh

I'm very confident on Mastina town and fairly confident on Titus town. I don't really think Bell is scum here

I'd probably be happier to vote Agar if I have to move off winter flakes (alt of Uncrowned) but that wagon is gone.

this is jjh's most recent stance on Titus. so yeah they're suboptimal without more information but it makes sense when combined with his reads to just target someone he thought was scummy

[jjh927]

I think the best two plays for scum!me would have been a fake inno on the other scum or to waste the shot on Ythan who I feel is just clearly town to everyone at this point

[innocentvillager]

if we’re gonna do massclaim let’s do it otherwise I’m ready to vote

[OkaPoka]

Ok im getting annoyed now

Even if you justify not checking ythan why are you not checking titus
Why cant jjh be novice or have targeted jjh
Why do i claim shots on an ability that's purpose is to dodge nks and serves no other purpose

[OkaPoka]

Targeted dgb*

[OkaPoka]

Look im always dying today idc about convincing you guys im town i just need to convince u guys jjh is scum otherwise yoy flip me and it has no impact

[innocentvillager]

I don’t understand why you are resigned to your death when you could try to get jjh flipped today

[OkaPoka]

And like justifying by saying titus was townie enough is such a stupid argument esp when she just got pushed yesterday, u want to full clear her and make an unbeatable poe not flip on a baron with a 5k gold lead

[jjh927]

Pretty sure there is a single common reason for both why Oka is resigned to death and why he would try to get me flipped ever

[OkaPoka]

Iv u srs? I SHOULDN'T live past today id be disappointed if u guys let me live past today

[innocentvillager]

I don’t think it’s as incriminating as you think, he thinks Titus is town, he doesn’t think you’re town, he checked you

I wouldn’t have done the same thing but he did say he was very confident

Occam’s razor says he is UB

Not some super specific role which just happened to not get a N1 check

[innocentvillager]

why is there no doubt in your mind jjh is scum oka

[innocentvillager]

jjh is there no doubt in your mind oka is scum?

[OkaPoka]

Who said i had no doubt its my most conf read and also thats not how occams razor works

[innocentvillager]

how is it not how Occam’s razor works

[OkaPoka]

Because picking roles for a setup isnt about picking the least amount of modifiers? There are other design philosphies otherwise you'd be a bad setup designer that makes ur setups breakable

[innocentvillager]

if there is a town universal backup this game, this scenario happens 100% of the time, we know Dannflor was night killed

so it’s about comparing the probability of the setup design having a

Town universal backup or
Scum novice announcing neapolitan (along with dannflor’s role)
Scum announcing meapolitan that targeted dgb n1
Scum backup announcing neapolitan (along with dannflors role)

which of the 4 scenarios seems the most likely?

[jjh927]

What world does scum!me target town!you
ever

The chances of you being a town PR are close to 0 however you do the math, so would scum!me target you trying to get an inno on someone who scumreads me? Or did I somehow suspect you were a PR?

I'm pretty sure you haven't crumbed anything anywhere, which is yet another reason this really doesn't look good for you

[OkaPoka]

Again whats up with this % of a specific role existing thats not how design works. Implo doesnt sit down and throw darts, he has a specific goal in mind and ideas and builds around that

[innocentvillager]

do you agree that given what we see, it is one of the 4 scenarios?

if that’s the case, then it’s literally just assigning a probability to each of them

[jjh927]

jjh is there no doubt in your mind oka is scum?

There's always room for doubt

I think Oka is extremely likely to be scum though

I scumread Oka before
It does not surprise me that I didn't get an inno
Oka's reaction to the non-inno is to try to cast doubt on me even though my result is unchallengable.

[OkaPoka]

...

[jjh927]

Can you think of any more possible scenarios, Oka?

[jjh927]

I'm down for this whole discussion mediated by IV

I can't think of any more