Open 807 | Town Win

[Salsabil Faria]

we are definitely going off-wagon for the elim today.

VC 1.17

Not voting (2):

Something_Smart, implosion

Not_Mafia (1):

Minimegabyte

Dunnstral (1):

Salsabil Faria

Battle Mage (1):

Artemiana

Artemiana (7) (HAMMER)

:

Battle Mage, Not_Mafia, PenguinPower, PookyTheMagicalBear, Scipio1, Almost50, Save The Dragons

Something_Smart (1):

Dunnstral

With 7 votes, Artemiana has been eliminated. They were a

Spoiler:

Mafia Goon

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Night 1 ends in (expired on 2021-03-20 00:21:14)

Who do you suspicious of most from the off-wagon?

[Salsabil Faria]

qq can mafia give multiple powers to a person?

B_M why do you think Mini would power up the partner?

Mini is personally a nice and benevolent character, and would be more likely to:

1. Encourage their teammate to take a cool PR.
2. Get excited at having a high powered team.

But now Salsa is making me 2nd guess the setup haha. I need to do some more thinking.

Let's ask to the

Mod

, my head is spinning already from understanding this set-up!

[Battle Mage]

Artemiana being so pissed off makes me think it slightly more likely they were being bussed. especially because like, the player was just a goon, so it wasn't that big a deal for them to eat one.

and whoever their teammate is, could be a big ego-head, who wanted to deprive the newbie of having a cool PR.

I find it hard to believe Pooky would be like that. But Pooky might be the sort of clever so-and-so to just pick 1 or 2 super powerful PRs to leave a fakeclaim available.

it was weird that 3 players just sheeped me blindly yesterday without much evidence - and 2 of them have already flipped town, so were they all town?

[Battle Mage]

the mafia traitor thing is interesting - the traitor doesn't know who the scum are, but the scum presumably know the traitor? or maybe not, as that makes the recruiting ability quite powerful.

@Mod - does mafia know who traitor is?

[Salsabil Faria]

the mafia traitor thing is interesting - the traitor doesn't know who the scum are, but the scum presumably know the traitor? or maybe not, as that makes the recruiting ability quite powerful.

@Mod - does mafia know who traitor is?

From wiki, the traitor knows who are the mafia but the mafia team doesn't who is the traitor ig.

[Battle Mage]

ok time to get serious! VOTE: Implosion

Implosion's ISO is real interesting - just looking through, lots of references to Artemania - originally premier townread somehow, and although acknowledges 1 scummy post, Implosion does more than anybody to try and subtly protect Artemania from the sidelines.

And in particular, these posts pinged me a lot yesterday:

be the justification for potentially joining her wagon

Wasn't trying to imply that it would be.

I don't intend to ever join it or hammer in this game

, at least not for at least like 4 more RL days or so.

bold is a strong assertion. Considering your take on the wagon a few posts ago was a fairly cautious "I don't especially like [it]", and your subsequent phrasing in post 533 sounded like you were paving the way for a vote (citing your frustration with the player not being here).

can you tell me what you're planning to do in that 4 RL days?

I don't especially like the Artemiana wagon but I am getting tired of waiting for her to do something, mostly because I still think when she does it'll be relatively fruitful to read off of.

doesnt make sense. why would you thinking she will post something valuable be the justification for potentially joining her wagon (or at least, reducing your opposition to it, as implied)?

Spoiler:

I mildly like Artemiana, std, pooky, maybe a50 for town.

Mildly like Dunnstral and MiniMegabyte for scum.

be the justification for potentially joining her wagon

Wasn't trying to imply that it would be. I don't intend to ever join it or hammer in this game, at least not for at least like 4 more RL days or so.

can you tell me what you're planning to do in that 4 RL days?

Mostly chill and play the game. The point being that there are still people that I want to hear more from (Mini, Dunn, Artemiana), and if Artemiana is town then an early hammer on her would mean a not especially useful day imo.

I guess if the traitor wasn't recruited, then they're almost certainly offwagon, yeah? No reason to bus as a traitor with a 2-person scumteam.

That said I guess both of the people I somewhat suspected yesterday are offwagon so ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

There's probably jack shit useful associatives from Artemiana as well. Maybe like Pooky-town but I wasn't especially thinking Pooky was scum.

[Battle Mage]

the mafia traitor thing is interesting - the traitor doesn't know who the scum are, but the scum presumably know the traitor? or maybe not, as that makes the recruiting ability quite powerful.

@Mod - does mafia know who traitor is?

From wiki, the traitor knows who are the mafia but the mafia team doesn't who is the traitor ig.

ohhhh the traitor knows who mafia are? that's helpful, so 2 players with associative relationship to the dead scum.

[Something_Smart]

I was willing to believe that Salsa's first dumbtell could be faked but this one seems quite unlikely to be fake. I think she's probably just town.

[Something_Smart]

qq can mafia give multiple powers to a person?

I think so?

[Something_Smart]

Mini is personally a nice and benevolent character, and would be more likely to:

1. Encourage their teammate to take a cool PR.
2. Get excited at having a high powered team.

I mean scum should give power to the player more likely to survive, and given that Artemiana rolled over and died, it's likely that most teams wouldn't have given her a PR.

[Something_Smart]

Artemiana being so pissed off makes me think it slightly more likely they were being bussed.

This is actually an interesting theory

I would say that the most likely busser (aside from STD who doesn't count) is you, but I'm not sure I feel that way now because you were the first one to bring this up.

[Battle Mage]

It's unlikely that any of the late votes were bussing, with the exception of STD.

I don't think it's out of the question for BM to start that wagon as scum, since he wouldn't have expected Artemiana to just roll over and die. But I'll have to go back and look at the circumstances under which the vote was made.

in hindsight, this is a weird take. Clearing the late jumpers as town, when it was pretty obvious it was a consensus elim, but not those driving the wagon early. It's possible I'm scum here, but objectively it's less likely than the late jumpers in terms of normal wagon behaviour.

Given Artemiana was just a goon, I think it's definitely possible scum bussed late.

Separately, Something_Smart was an Artemiana defender at first, until realising how screwed Artemiana was, and then joining the majority opinion. Not to mention, Something_Smart did virtually nothing on Day 1, despite posting a lot.

would Something_Smart hog the PRs and not share with the newbie? dunno

[Battle Mage]

Artemiana being so pissed off makes me think it slightly more likely they were being bussed.

This is actually an interesting theory

I would say that the most likely busser (aside from STD who doesn't count) is you, but I'm not sure I feel that way now because you were the first one to bring this up.

yes, I'll give you points for consistency, given I was just responding to the first time you made that inference.

I feel pretty weird about you wanting to give immunity to the latecomers in prime bussing territory, but focus your attention on me instead? Especially since you haven't really been pushing anyone off wagon either?

[Something_Smart]

I think you are underestimating how bad it is for scum to lose a member D1. Follower becomes a cop. Jailkeeper becomes even stronger than a cop. Artemiana wasn't a consensus execution until those late people jumped on-- she hadn't even given any content.

[Something_Smart]

I feel pretty weird about you wanting to give immunity to the latecomers in prime bussing territory, but focus your attention on me instead? Especially since you haven't really been pushing anyone off wagon either?

I'm not pushing anyone at all. I thought that wagon-wise, the people on the back end looked townier than you did, but now you look towny too for presenting a theory that would implicate yourself, and the others look a bit less towny due to the possibility that the theory is true.

[Battle Mage]

Mini is personally a nice and benevolent character, and would be more likely to:

1. Encourage their teammate to take a cool PR.
2. Get excited at having a high powered team.

I mean scum should give power to the player more likely to survive, and given that Artemiana rolled over and died, it's likely that most teams wouldn't have given her a PR.

I think lots of scumteams (myself including fwiw) would have been excited at being able to choose PRs, and would have given both players a PR. It's almost a trade-off between focus on winning and just having fun with the gimmick.

also presumably the scumteam wasn't expecting Artemiana to capitulate quite like that. I definitely get the sense that Artemiana didn't get on well with the teammate - maybe there was a lack of team cohesion.

[Scipio1]

I was willing to believe that Salsa's first dumbtell could be faked but this one seems quite unlikely to be fake. I think she's probably just town.

agreed
UNVOTE:

[Battle Mage]

I feel pretty weird about you wanting to give immunity to the latecomers in prime bussing territory, but focus your attention on me instead? Especially since you haven't really been pushing anyone off wagon either?

I'm not pushing anyone at all.

exactly - you're not pushing anyone. All you've done is defend Artemiana and try to buy the slot more time, and now throw the weakest shade at me.

I think the chances of scum in this position not wanting to rock the boat with too many scumreads is HIGH.

[Battle Mage]

I think you are underestimating how bad it is for scum to lose a member D1. Follower becomes a cop. Jailkeeper becomes even stronger than a cop. Artemiana wasn't a consensus execution until those late people jumped on-- she hadn't even given any content.

I think it was highly likely Artemiana was getting run up as soon as the Pooky-Penguin-NotMafia-BM block all voted there. There was no alternative wagon of any consequence. It was incredibly predictable, and I think a scum PR probably wants to be jumping on there late to get some cred which they will need to see them through.

You're right it would be really bad for their partner to lose them, but it was also looking inevitable earlier than you suggest.

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

Mini is personally a nice and benevolent character, and would be more likely to:

1. Encourage their teammate to take a cool PR.
2. Get excited at having a high powered team.

I mean scum should give power to the player more likely to survive, and given that Artemiana rolled over and died, it's likely that most teams wouldn't have given her a PR.

I think lots of scumteams (myself including fwiw) would have been excited at being able to choose PRs, and would have given both players a PR. It's almost a trade-off between focus on winning and just having fun with the gimmick.

also presumably the scumteam wasn't expecting Artemiana to capitulate quite like that. I definitely get the sense that Artemiana didn't get on well with the teammate - maybe there was a lack of team cohesion.

i think its highly likely scum didnt pick encryptor since it has no mechanical effect on the game, hence no daytalk, hence they didnt have any cohesion at all.

[Battle Mage]

Mini is personally a nice and benevolent character, and would be more likely to:

1. Encourage their teammate to take a cool PR.
2. Get excited at having a high powered team.

I mean scum should give power to the player more likely to survive, and given that Artemiana rolled over and died, it's likely that most teams wouldn't have given her a PR.

I think lots of scumteams (myself including fwiw) would have been excited at being able to choose PRs, and would have given both players a PR. It's almost a trade-off between focus on winning and just having fun with the gimmick.

also presumably the scumteam wasn't expecting Artemiana to capitulate quite like that. I definitely get the sense that Artemiana didn't get on well with the teammate - maybe there was a lack of team cohesion.

i think its highly likely scum didnt pick encryptor since it has no mechanical effect on the game, hence no daytalk, hence they didnt have any cohesion at all.

ah that's really interesting, I hadn't clocked that!

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

I think it was highly likely Artemiana was getting run up as soon as the Pooky-Penguin-NotMafia-BM block all voted there. There was no alternative wagon of any consequence. It was incredibly predictable, and I think a scum PR probably wants to be jumping on there late to get some cred which they will need to see them through.

You're right it would be really bad for their partner to lose them, but it was also looking inevitable earlier than you suggest.

yea but it makes no sense for SS-scum to soft-defend the latewagoners - he needs every mis-elim he can get at this point

scum should be trying to broaden POE not shrink it.

[Battle Mage]

Pooky, if you had to pick within the Implosion-Something_Smart pool, where do you go first?

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

I'd kill Implo over SS any day of the week tho I'm not even sure I want to limit the elim to those two slots.

[Battle Mage]

I think it was highly likely Artemiana was getting run up as soon as the Pooky-Penguin-NotMafia-BM block all voted there. There was no alternative wagon of any consequence. It was incredibly predictable, and I think a scum PR probably wants to be jumping on there late to get some cred which they will need to see them through.

You're right it would be really bad for their partner to lose them, but it was also looking inevitable earlier than you suggest.

yea but it makes no sense for SS-scum to soft-defend the latewagoners - he needs every mis-elim he can get at this point

scum should be trying to broaden POE not shrink it.

SS-scum also needs allies, and as you say, it was a pretty soft and insubstantial defence. more notional than practically useful. SS would easily be able to retreat from it if needed.

SS was keeping POE plenty broad enough.