MT 2203: Grand Idea Upick: Awakening [Endgame]

[Guillotina]

I SENT IN ONE-SHOT DEATHPROOF CULT LEADER, AND DIDN'T GET IT, I'M ANGRY ABOUT IT, DON'T REMIND ME I DIDN'T ROLL CULT

If anything I learnt in the last grand idea was never to trust your cries of disappointment for not getting a role you wanted.

VOTE: KORINA

[Guillotina]

I got what I wanted but

Spoiler:

it was nerfed

Same... lame.

[Guillotina]

Fuck it, I'm claiming.

I'm a NK-Immune Miller Vig. I cannot be a SK, because like A50 said, my third pick was cult.

Why would you pick Miller?

[Guillotina]

What reason do I have to lie about being nk-immune miller vig unless I'm bulletprof scum/sk? We know I can't be a SK because my third pick is always cult, and I'd much rather keep shitposting as scum after I die.

Yah but out of 10000 roles in GIM why would you pick something with Miller in it?

[Guillotina]

UNVOTE: Korina

[Guillotina]

Raya is literally flipped town

-mahi

Why? Explain what it seems to me like you may have TMI.

[Guillotina]

Can someone tell me why at page 5 Korina is getting townread?

[Guillotina]

What reason do I have to lie about being nk-immune miller vig unless I'm bulletprof scum/sk? We know I can't be a SK because my third pick is always cult, and I'd much rather keep shitposting as scum after I die.

idk to avoid nightkills to start

I mean yeah but if Korina actually picked SK this game then I'll eat my shorts.

anyway I should probably make an actual post for my second post in a row as I'm heavily discouraged from a third one but allowed to double post.

My role is confirmable during the Day, though it is best used when the thread has devolved into a 1v1.

Korina strikes me as town, Raya strikes me as town (don't have a noteworthy post, just skim the ISO and you'll see what I mean), mahi strikes me as scum, A50 is null with an iota of town, Guillotina and VFP are hard null, and sam seems like I'd townlean them later on.

Hard null sounds about how everyone reads me on when I rand town on Day 1 or as scum, I'm making progress!

[Guillotina]

If I had to guess right now.

mahimahi+ - WW
Flea - town
Raya36 - scum
TemporalLich - town
Guillotina - cultist
Korina - town
Almost50 - town
KidAmn - town
Nono - SK
samantha97 - town
CaptainS - scum
Vaxkiller - scum

Fuck cultists, I hate playing as converter and much more being converted. If you plan to convert me, don't, I will out you with extremely bad cultist play.

[Guillotina]

Raya and the maltese dog could be a team

[Guillotina]

I SENT IN ONE-SHOT DEATHPROOF CULT LEADER, AND DIDN'T GET IT, I'M ANGRY ABOUT IT, DON'T REMIND ME I DIDN'T ROLL CULT

Korina's probably lying here because there's way way way way way WAY better cult roles than this

I also don't believe their night kill immune miller vig claim at all, there's no reason to claim it if they are one

TemporalLich, did you handpick the roles for this game or randomise them?

I'm stuck in a time loop

, and there's no escape. If you know what I mean by this, then please come save us tonight. We'll be inside the red door.

-mahi

[Guillotina]

@KidAmn: You can claim the miller part without claiming the NK-immune or vig part. Think about it:

1) If you're NK-immune, why tell all scum that you can only die if they strongman you? It means no one will waste shots on them and they'll know to use a strongman on them

2) If they're a vig, they're asking to be roleblocked

They're probably some kind of OP bulletproof cult leader

-mahi

1) A full roleclaim can earn points for honesty, assuming Korina is being truthful, and prevents us wasting vig shot/s on them

2) Following on from this, if they are as you posit "some kind of op bulletproof cult leader", what incentive do they have to claim a role that invites the attention of roleblocks, preventing them from recruiting? Unless you're suggesting they have some way of getting around that, I really don't understand where your logic is coming from here.

[Guillotina]

viewtopic.php?f=5&t=59348&user_select%5 ... &start=200

Just read this

Are you seriously telling me Korina picks 1-shot deathproof cult leader over the busted cult roles they've come up with? Like, you can find stuff in there like ELITE CULT LEADER THAT LITERALLY CANNOT DIE BY ANY MEANS UNTIL DAY 4 AND CAN RECEUIT 2 PLAYERS PER NIGHT or something like that, and cultmafia roles which combine the mafia and cult factions and other ridiculous busted things

-mahi

The host said that if the roles picked were broken he'd veto them. You are standing on top of a thin angleshooting line.

[Guillotina]

VOTE: Mahi

[Guillotina]

Raya

- Flipped town

Korina

- Abyssal cult leader

KidAmn

- Mafia pup

Vaxkiller

- Town

VFP

- Town

Guillotina

- Wolf goon

Almost50

- Town

TemporalLich

- Town

Flea The Magician

- Mafia magician

samantha

- Town

CaptainS

- Jester

hehehehe

-mahi

Why didn't a pick a day vig role? I could use one just about now.

[Guillotina]

I also don't believe their night kill immune miller vig claim at all, there's no reason to claim it if they are one

It's a bloody negative utility. Miller ALWAYS claims early or get yeeted when they are guiltied by a Cop. (Also, Millers do get yeeted before LyLo anyway)

Would you pick a Miller role as your role fora game?

[Guillotina]

Why didn't a pick a day vig role? I could use one just about now.

no one did apparently

I'm disappointed in myself because I definitely would have but I'm a sucker for extremely complex over-elaborated roles.

[Guillotina]

Fuck cultists, I hate playing as converter and much more being converted. If you plan to convert me, don't, I will out you with extremely bad cultist play.

This just scream cultis to me.

That's because you don't know me at all

[Guillotina]

Null

Everyone but the scum

Scum

Mahi
Raya


Fight me

[Guillotina]

That's because you don't know me at all

Tell me about yourself.

How about no

[Guillotina]

That's because you don't know me at all

Tell me about yourself.

I may or may not be a day lie detector.

Are you town?

[Guillotina]

@A50, I'm not planning on shooting tonight, because I wanna see how many kills we have, excluding me. At most, we can have literally six SKs, but more pragmatically speaking, we probably have Mafia + SK/WW. Not only that, but we have majority throughout most of the game, so unless we lose three townies tonight, I'm not gonna shoot until I'm certain someone will flip scum.

pedit:
I picked a dayvig, but that was my mafia pick.

ppedit:
Yes, I would, because I think picking NK-Immune Miller Vig is actually a really smart move on my end. You can eliminate the odds of me being SK entirely, because I obviously pick Cult, meaning I'm either BP scum, or actually telling the truth.

This just reads "look im doing towny things, and have a towny thought process", instead of doing what everyone else would do with a vig.... shoot someone you think is scum and shrug it off if they arent.

@GUIL

You may want to read the rules regarding multiple posts in a row. (really all the rules)

I haven't had the time to read all the rules, I signed up for a relax fun game where I didn't have to worry about over complicated rules that would require a lot of attention.

My mom is pending brain surgery mid of April and all the paperwork plus the gravity of the operation prevents me from taking on too strict games. Would you mind sharing with me the general idea of those rules? So I know and don't break them?

[Guillotina]

Guillotina actually roled anti town.
I'm impressed.

If I roled anti town I would be begging the mod to allow me to kill my partner right now (you), cause he is obvious scum, I could get so much town cred.

[Guillotina]

@guil
Double posting is ok, but try not to.... multiple posting in a row is a no-no.

There are more, but those are the ones I noticed you breaking.

Would you mind sharing with me the general idea of those rules? So I know and don't break them?

tldr is if you chain post (3+) you might get a warning, if you have 20% of the total votes at eod you get a warning/penalty vote/something

@A50, I'm not planning on shooting tonight, because I wanna see how many kills we have, excluding me. At most, we can have literally six SKs, but more pragmatically speaking, we probably have Mafia + SK/WW. Not only that, but we have majority throughout most of the game, so unless we lose three townies tonight, I'm not gonna shoot until I'm certain someone will flip scum.

pedit:
I picked a dayvig, but that was my mafia pick.

ppedit:
Yes, I would, because I think picking NK-Immune Miller Vig is actually a really smart move on my end. You can eliminate the odds of me being SK entirely, because I obviously pick Cult, meaning I'm either BP scum, or actually telling the truth.

This just reads "look im doing towny things, and have a towny thought process", instead of doing what everyone else would do with a vig.... shoot someone you think is scum and shrug it off if they arent.

@GUIL

You may want to read the rules regarding multiple posts in a row. (really all the rules)

I haven't had the time to read all the rules, I signed up for a relax fun game where I didn't have to worry about over complicated rules that would require a lot of attention.

My mom is pending brain surgery mid of April and all the paperwork plus the gravity of the operation prevents me from taking on too strict games. Would you mind sharing with me the general idea of those rules? So I know and don't break them?

Double posting is okay, but posting three or more times in a row is heavily discouraged.

If you have a disproportionate amount of posts at the end of the Day phase, you may lose your vote the next day.

Oh thanks guys, that's good to know.

So if I'm catching up, it's better if I just post a wall. Got it

[Guillotina]

VFP is obviously town, what are you talking about?

I disagree but I'm not tunneled yet. Why is he obvious town?

[Guillotina]

Guillotina actually roled anti town.
I'm impressed.

If I roled anti town I would be begging the mod to allow me to kill my partner right now (you), cause he is obvious scum, I could get so much town cred.

I have never seen someone so far off base and so nakedly not reading the game in a long time.

Also, fuck Toad.

[Guillotina]

he said he had a confirmable role that will auto confirm tonight

Oh yah? And we are taking that at face value because....?

[Guillotina]

because it only buys him 1 day

[Guillotina]

Yeah, I'm basically confirmed tonight or I'm gone tomorrow.

I shall wait the 16 days then.

[Guillotina]

Uh, because he's in my cult, which is exclusively for good boys, girls, and enbys?

I don't know what to think about you copying Spookybear the cultist gambit when he randed town in that game, yet.

[Guillotina]

The cult order is VFP, followed by Mahi. Does anyone else want in on the cult?
If you're Guillo or Vax, you're banned from the cult. We don't share our cookies with non-believers.

I'm an atheist anyway and I never sign up to enter your cult.

[Guillotina]

I'm going to bed.

This is where I'm at though.

Korina
Raya

TL
Flea
mahimahi
A50

CaptainS

KidAmn
Nono

Vaxkiller
samantha

Guill

Maybe I'm wrong on Flea.

Bah, I finally get a null which is an upgrade from always getting read scum and now you ruined it.

This guy can be town though.

[Guillotina]

Null

Everyone but the scum

Scum

Mahi
Raya


Fight me

Ok, let's fight

Sure! What is your read on Mahi?

[Guillotina]

@A50, I'm not planning on shooting tonight, because I wanna see how many kills we have, excluding me. At most, we can have literally six SKs, but more pragmatically speaking, we probably have Mafia + SK/WW. Not only that, but we have majority throughout most of the game, so unless we lose three townies tonight, I'm not gonna shoot until I'm certain someone will flip scum.

pedit:
I picked a dayvig, but that was my mafia pick.

ppedit:
Yes, I would, because I think picking NK-Immune Miller Vig is actually a really smart move on my end. You can eliminate the odds of me being SK entirely, because I obviously pick Cult, meaning I'm either BP scum, or actually telling the truth.

This just reads "look im doing towny things, and have a towny thought process", instead of doing what everyone else would do with a vig.... shoot someone you think is scum and shrug it off if they arent.

@GUIL

You may want to read the rules regarding multiple posts in a row. (really all the rules)

I haven't had the time to read all the rules, I signed up for a relax fun game where I didn't have to worry about over complicated rules that would require a lot of attention.

My mom is pending brain surgery mid of April and all the paperwork plus the gravity of the operation prevents me from taking on too strict games. Would you mind sharing with me the general idea of those rules? So I know and don't break them?

You also lose your vote the next day if you have over 20% of the posts just as an fyi

Wow.. this rule is so scum sided. Maybe I should lurk if I want to vote on Day 2 then

[Guillotina]

Hard null sounds about how everyone reads me on when I rand town on Day 1 or as scum, I'm making progress!

What if I'm not hard-nulling you??

Then I'd be satisfied or suspicious of you depending of the real read.

[Guillotina]

That's because you don't know me at all

Tell me about yourself.

How about no

No Doctor Evil meme??

LOL

[Guillotina]

i see we had some queries from our many fans

@Flea - excellent gif edit, i give it an 8/10 - keep up the good work, you're a star!

@Almost50 - i can confirm that we are infact a hydra of shoshin and bitmap

@Korina - VOTE: Korina

@Gullitonia - welcome to the wagon, traveller. make yourself comfy and treat yourself to some cookies

@samantha - <3

@Nono - how long will you be on V/LA for?

-mahi

Thank you! Your Fur is very comfy for my flat bone-y ass.

[Guillotina]

It's been pointed out its a possibility

What an argument.
I think its possible that you're scum. Do we lim you now?

Do you townread Korina?

[Guillotina]

Do you townread Korina?

Yes, and so should you.
In Korina we believe! My vote sticks with Korina, not against.

Nice manipulation of my point. And yes, generally speaking if you think someone is scum you try to elim them.

Thank you!
So we are agreed that there is much of a reason to lim Korina as there is to lim you.
That makes you look suspicious even more so.

Why do you townread Korina?

Be ause the moment i read all her crazy claiming it reminded me of our ladt Grand Idea game where she flipped scum and I wished i was a day vig.

[Guillotina]

Should i hate my iPad, my thick fingers or both?

[Guillotina]

Why do you townread Korina?

Be ause the moment i read all her crazy claiming it reminded me of our ladt Grand Idea game where she flipped scum and I wished i was a day vig.

It's not crazy talk, it's our leader looking for a better tomorrow, today!
Let's be real for a second though.

You are scum reading Korona because others have told you Korina is X Y over Z with no actual knowledge.

Without anyone using meta which can easily be manipulated into their favour, what has Korina done thats scummy?
Exactly, at a best you can say null read. The push on Korina is scum leading the way to an easy excuse of a lim with no blow back!

Stop white knighting her and stop misrepresenting my reasons to scum read people, that's svummy. I scum read Korina because she is playing the exact same way i watched her play in our last game where she was scum.

[Guillotina]

Im sorry. Stop white Knighting him (korina).

[Guillotina]

Stop white knighting her and stop misrepresenting my reasons to scum read people, that's svummy. I scum read Korina because she is playing the exact same way i watched her play in our last game where she was scum.

So with meta only.
Your argument here is meta only.

Why are you voting who pushed the scum narrative anyway?
Did you forget who you were voting?

Your scum equity is going up with every post.

Are you telling me that scum would not push each other to distance themselves on Day 1?
Are you telling me that you didnt consider that Mahi and Korina could be scum read for independent reasons?
Ate you not aware thst there may or may not be different types of scum in this game?

[Guillotina]

VFP, are you for real right now or just trolling me. Like im not sure if I should even respond to you, because it looks like you just fuckin with me trying to rile me up.

@temporallich
how is that "resigned"? Korina is scummy, and the people protecting them have the silliest reasons! (listed above). I ended with an "I'm sorry" because there appears to be a good handful of people in this game who just want to play with Korina.... regardless of alignment!!!!! So I want people to know I have nothing against them and enjoy playing with them, but, sorry, they are today's fade.

That is not up for you to decide alone though. Unless you are governor or a duke? Or an Executioner.

[Guillotina]

I rescind my town lean from VFP

[Guillotina]

VFP, are you for real right now or just trolling me. Like im not sure if I should even respond to you, because it looks like you just fuckin with me trying to rile me up.

I'm 100% serious.

Your scum equity is going up with every post.

Are you telling me that scum would not push each other to distance themselves on Day 1?
Are you telling me that you didnt consider that Mahi and Korina could be scum read for independent reasons?
Ate you not aware thst there may or may not be different types of scum in this game?

Mahi is town and not scum.
I think you actually forgot who you were voting for though as you're scum. You are dead set on Korina as scum and its suggested highly likely as cult leader if they are. Why would you not be voting here if you didn't believe it?
Your push is fake. Your reasons are bad.

Oh look upon removing your wool i have discovered you bot pelt underneath.

How do you know Mahi is town?

How can you prove that i forgot i was voting for Mahi? If you cant prove it, it's a shade.

You accuse me of wolf reading Korina on just based meta, yet again you are town reading him based on meta, if my read on korina is invalid because of meta, how is yours not equally invalid then?

I dont know if my reasons are bad, im uninformed, but i do believe in them so dont dare to say that they are fake.

[Guillotina]

I'm away for less than a day and 10 pages jees Louise.

First impressios is that you all talk ALOT.

Personally I don't believe a lot of the claims and it's Day 1 and soft claims/ roleclaiming Day 1 is honestly not be believed especially in a bastard set up.

I do have a few people that I'm leaning town with the way that they act and the way they are coming across to me but after all it is my first game with all of you and likewise with me. Becausr i could claim Jesus for all you know but I ain't got anything to back it up.

But for now VOTE: Korina Choo Choo

Who are you leaning town on?

I like Korina as much as the next person, but, they need voted out.

This is not "fear" of the possibility or anything, I know some of you are friends with Korina, but it's a game, and as I see it, Korina has got to go. I've posted my thoughts on it and I get agreement, but no votes, and it gets explained away (maybe another day, but I know them, someone even said "they deserve the win if they are cult" <--- Lol why? It's been pointed out its a possibility!, some of you are just roflcoptering asking to be recruited!)

Korina is today's fade. I'm sorry Korina, no hard feelings, it just is, waht it is.

I played with Korina as scum last game and I'm really not getting the same feeling from them

Really? How come? Make me see what im not seeing please.

[Guillotina]

VOTE: VFP

[Guillotina]

VOTE: VFP

Considering my role is 100% conformable in the night phase, you just scum claimed even further.
I will pray that our leader votes you!

God how i wish i submitted THREE day vig roles to the host right now.

Oh look upon removing your wool i have discovered you bot pelt underneath.

How do you know Mahi is town?

How can you prove that i forgot i was voting for Mahi? If you cant prove it, it's a shade.

You accuse me of wolf reading Korina on just based meta, yet again you are town reading him based on meta, if my read on korina is invalid because of meta, how is yours not equally invalid then?

I dont know if my reasons are bad, im uninformed, but i do believe in them so dont dare to say that they are fake.

Because Mahi isn't in the Mafia team.

There's no other role they could have taken other than town.

I cant meta read Korina because I have never played with them.

My reason is for scum pushing for an easy lim using Meta

.

I don't need to explain the difference, because you don't believe the scum push anyway.

But your argument here is if it can't be proven that you're lying even though it's obvious, it's not true?

Well my counter to that is I proved that you forgot who you were voting for

, prove that I didn't or you claim scum.

Your reasons are uniformed that meta beats game? Well I'm telling you now, it's fake. And I'll uniform that all game.

This guy is obvious scum, i actually feel bad for your team because you surely cannot blend in. Honestly all i have to do know is how people interact with you to find the other scum. I think Korina might not be scum for the way you white knighted her.

Why did upsized the sentences of the quote. I will tell you now.

1) How do you know Mahi isn't in a mafia team?

2) If you don't have meta on Korina, why do you assume he is an easy lim?

3) My argument is that you can't possibly know that i forgot unless you are a GODDAMN psychic!

[Guillotina]

You are making stuff up to push on me for pushing on your scum teammate OR on someone you ate trying to pocket. But you are scum here.

I will tell you one last thing. I've played mafia for two decades now, from way before you started calling tjis game mafia, it was warewolves before. I never forget whom i vote for. Ever.

[Guillotina]

Still deeply unhappy about leaving Korina alive and unleashed as a claimed miller vig, but given that the town apparently just wants to roll with it I don't know how much more I can argue for what is essentially a policy "lynch or leash" on that front. Still fairly sure Korina/mahi was not TvT and want to come back to that at some point this weekend.

It is somewhat concerning that we seem to have multiple players either straight up not engaging with the game, or reading the game and coming to completely different (and in Guillotina's case easily proven wrong) conclusions. That said, presumably given that post #0 states all PTs have day talk, if they're scum/wolves/Aliens/etc they'd be being coached out of that... unless they're solo... urgh. This is why I hate Grand Idea UPicks. Why did I sign up for another goddamn Grand Idea UPrick.

VOTE: Guillotina for now, pushing someone who by their own admission either sorts themselves tomorrow or has a lot of explaining to do is phenomenally anti-town. There are

far

better places for us to be looking for scum today, and this feels to me like an attempt at creating noise to drive the discussion elsewhere.

Elsewhere? You are wrong. Im open to all discussions? Where do you think i don't want to go today?

[Guillotina]

1) How do you know Mahi isn't in a mafia team?

2) If you don't have meta on Korina, why do you assume he is an easy lim?

3) My argument is that you can't possibly know that i forgot unless you are a GODDAMN psychic!

1) How do you know Mahi isn't in a mafia team?
Not in the PT with me

2) If you don't have meta on Korina, why do you assume he is an easy lim?
Because the reasons giving is an easy lim with no throw back? Are you trying to say I have meta on Korina?

3) My argument is that you can't possibly know that i forgot unless you are a GODDAMN psychic!
Prove that I can't possible know that.

This guy is obvious scum, i actually feel bad for your team because you surely cannot blend in. Honestly all i have to do know is how people interact with you to find the other scum. I think Korina might not be scum for the way you white knighted her.

Why did upsized the sentences of the quote. I will tell you now.

I'm so glad that my team are killing you tonight, because you will know in 143 I mark out who is on my team pretty well.
Also, I believe that post as much as you believe your fake push on Mahi, Korina, and me today.

Stop with tne BS wifom and give me straight answers! I demand it!

[Guillotina]

Bah

You wanna keep obvscum around, go ahead. Since you are this insane im gonna do something equally insane. I will sheep the first person that asks me to sheep him/her. Every vote from this point forward til the end of the day that he/she casts, I will cast.

Go!

[Guillotina]

UNVOTE:

[Guillotina]

Bah

You wanna keep obvscum around, go ahead. Since you are this insane im gonna do something equally insane. I will sheep the first person that asks me to sheep him/her. Every vote from this point forward til the end of the day that he/she casts, I will cast.

sheep me pls

Granted. Consider yourself a double voter

[Guillotina]

VOTE: CapatainS

[Guillotina]

VOTE: CapatainS

VOTE: CaptainS

[Guillotina]

Bah

You wanna keep obvscum around, go ahead. Since you are this insane im gonna do something equally insane. I will sheep the first person that asks me to sheep him/her. Every vote from this point forward til the end of the day that he/she casts, I will cast.

Go!

obvious sign of resignation, seems like scum wouldn't be this insane though

Do you hear yourself? Resignation on Day 1, within 48 hours of game start, when I'm not even a top wagon?
You hosted the Grand Idea's game I've been talking about where I played, did you not learn anything from watching me play?

This is not resignation! It is a protest!

People here are not playing to their wincon by letting obvious scum to survive just because they enjoy playing with them, it's a damn popularity contest without there being a contest. It's a let-me-make-you-feel-good even if you are a wolf game. Are you for real?

I wanna catch and kill scum, even more so if you are my best friend or I love playing with you, but if you wanna rig it with sensitivities, then I'll just sheep a different person every day phase until die.

These are the rules of the sheeple:

1) I will sheep a player until the end of the day making that player a double voter.

2) I will not sheep the same player two days in a row.

3) I will not sheep you into voting for myself.

4) If I'm converted to your cult and I'm sheeping someone else and that person votes for you, I'm voting you anyway cause the law of the sheeple is bigger than us.

5) If I'm sheeping you and you reserve the right to hammer, bear in mind that I vote right after you, so I'm the one that's gonna do the hammering.

6) I will sheep the first person to ask me to sheep him every day, unless I already sheeped you.

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Right now samantha commands me.

[Guillotina]

UNVOTE:

[Guillotina]

What an absolutely fantastic idea.

Do we claim all picks?
Or just the ones we were given?
Are we linking to the post?
Or should we just tell scum where to shoot? Because in that case they should just shoot me and have done.


no more crumbs, so how about just go whole loaf?

I think we do it on a system.
If you have left your country in the last 5 years, you reveal your role
If you have eaten an apple in the last week you reveal 1 role you didn't get
If you have been a mis lim ever you reveal another role you didn't get.

Also deciding where scum shoot might not be a bad idea.
Do we send all to 1 though or multiple targets?

LOL Ok, I like VFP a tad better.

If you two are w/w I never had a chance.

[Guillotina]

we can have this day over in 6 hours if we want

VOTE: no elim

only need 5 more votes

VOTE: No Elim

[Guillotina]

mahi, vax, and guillo are my three curennent SRs

Though sam's insistence on No Exile is super sus

You are scum. There is no way a town would think someone would resign from winning on Day 1 when that someone is in no danger of elimination. That mentality can only come from scum trying to foolishly push a very hard to yeet amazing player (me)

[Guillotina]

mahi, vax, and guillo are my three curennent SRs

Though sam's insistence on No Exile is super sus

You are scum. There is no way a town would think someone would resign from winning on Day 1 when that someone is in no danger of elimination. That mentality can only come from scum trying to foolishly push a very hard to yeet amazing player (me)

I don't think you are likely to concede, you just play like you don't have much hope left. Besides, that is NAI.

You are scummy for putting up a performance of not actually putting any effort into your votes on purpose and instead sheeping. You are also scummy for voting No Exile on Day 1.

Who are you to judge? What makes you think my sheep votes have no purpose or effort?

I was given the power of the vote and i will use it as i see fit! You don't like it? You got three choices

1) Yeet me or day vig me.
2) Night kill me
3) Suck it up!

Other than that, there is nothing else you can do about it.

[Guillotina]

I swear your a jester Temp

oh wow never heard of that flavor of OMGUS before

@everyone - your 3 person PoE, danke schön.

Mahi, Guillo, not sure who else yet

we can have this day over in 6 hours if we want

VOTE: no elim

only need 5 more votes

So maybe you have good reason for a no elim, but why advertise ending the day early too. Town has 2 strong powers, ability to discuss during the day, and ability to eliminate...

biggest problem this place has is modern towns getting out-posted into apathy and hoping our PRs lead us to water and teach us peristalsis.

this isn't a normal game; we can lean on power roles

Definitely disagree. We can't reply on being able to mechanically solve a GIM game. Especially since it's bastard.

Why am I with Mahi in your PoE, when he is in my PoE. Doesn't “the enemy of your enemy is your friend” apply here? It should?

[Guillotina]

mahi, vax, and guillo are my three curennent SRs

Though sam's insistence on No Exile is super sus

You are scum. There is no way a town would think someone would resign from winning on Day 1 when that someone is in no danger of elimination. That mentality can only come from scum trying to foolishly push a very hard to yeet amazing player (me)

I don't think you are likely to concede,

you just play like you don't have much hope left. Besides, that is NAI.

You are scummy for putting up a performance of not actually putting any effort into your votes on purpose and instead sheeping. You are also scummy for voting No Exile on Day 1.

There is no likely, i will never concede, unless this game exactly has a twilight extender.

[Guillotina]

@everyone - your 3 person PoE, danke schön.

Guillotina, Samantha, Nono.

Why am I with Mahi in your PoE, when he is in my PoE. Doesn't “the enemy of your enemy is your friend” apply here? It should?

So you're Mafia and forget that there's probably 3rd party's.

Thanks for confirming this.

Also, Mahi town.

Where the hell did I say I was mafia for you to assume I am confirming anything huh?

That comment is really scummy.

[Guillotina]

A50 is probably scum.
We are not doing a no lim.

This guy is scum and fuck your no elimination shit Samantha. I rescind my offer to sheep you.

VOTE: VFP

Anything that opposes his point of view is "scum" to him.

[Guillotina]

I want a policy yeet or a day vig on VFP please.

Or me, I don't care. I just realized that if VFP is town we cannot co-exist.

[Guillotina]

A50 is probably scum.
We are not doing a no lim.

This guy is scum and fuck your no elimination shit Samantha. I rescind my offer to sheep you.

VOTE: VFP

Anything that opposes his point of view is "scum" to him.

who cares if he is he claimed n1 confirmable

there's more than enough time to get rid of him tomorrow if he lied

there's no reason to lie about that as mafia unless there's an angle to hide your alignment, which can still be caught with night actions

also going back on a double voter the same day you give it is bad form

UNVOTE: VFP

I just don't like him but whatever. I'll focus my attention somewhere else and put him on ignore until day 2 because he gets on my nerves.

What were you voting again? Oh yah.

VOTE: NO ELIM

[Guillotina]

Scum team if VFP is actually town.

RAYA
mahimahi
temporal
KidAmn

[Guillotina]

I just dont like them (VFP). It's hard to keep memory of the pronouns here, sorry. And i know Ircher puts them in the votecount but i forget to look them up in there too.

Sorry

[Guillotina]

I never get yeeted on day 1 unless i got God reads and scum want me gone.

Take notice that im naturally perceived as scummy for my unorthodox play style but here is where you should be looking into if you are town, players like me with good reads are scum's chosen mischop.

And im sorry samantha for being kind of mean to your no elim proposal, but im a very explosive player when provoked, impulsive and explosive.

[Guillotina]

Why am I with Mahi in your PoE, when he is in my PoE. Doesn't “the enemy of your enemy is your friend” apply here? It should?

VOTE: Guillotina

W A T.

What what? Raya scum reads mahi, i do too, but she is voting me after i called them a possible team earlier.

Your vote should be somewhere else, you know me.

[Guillotina]

Why am I with Mahi in your PoE, when he is in my PoE. Doesn't “the enemy of your enemy is your friend” apply here? It should?

VOTE: Guillotina

W A T.

What what? Raya scum reads mahi, i do too, but she is voting me after i called them a possible team earlier.

Your vote should be somewhere else, you know me.

I do know you, I know youre as mad as I am, but this is seriously pushing it - the screams that you're hunting for multiple teams which is basically "i know something you dooont"

I know my fellow townies are gonna have a hard time not getting NKed without me.

@Yemporal im sheeping Samantha, im a man of my word

[Guillotina]

VOTE: Korina

[Guillotina]

Claim or I'm taking over your account and adding you to the hivemind

-mahi

I dont claim to wolves

[Guillotina]

Hammer coming in 5 minutes if you don't. I'm not bluffing.

-mahi

Im not claiming and your threats hold little weight to me. Should i die, my legacy stays.

[Guillotina]

Nah im town but I will play my way not the way you guys want me to play. You will regret it though, i can guarantee that.

[Guillotina]

Gullo probably isn't claiming because he knows that even if Korina is deathed today, I could check him tonight and catch him out as lying

-mahi

Please please please check me. I sign up to be watched, tracked and copped tonight.

[Guillotina]

If there is a lie detector lie detect this:

I AM TOWN ALIGNED

[Guillotina]

Nah im town but I will play my way not the way you guys want me to play. You will regret it though, i can guarantee that.

let the hammer drop even harder

look I don't care if you're a death miller or the grand poobah, your insistence on not claiming in the tent is going to get you hammered regardless of alignment

No! I choose to play my way or the yeet. I don’t care.

I’m important and you will be left unprotected with my yeet townies.

[Guillotina]

you're starting to fall into the "scum even if you're town" range

No shit sherlock. I said that already, i am perceived as scummy gor my unorthodox playstyle.

[Guillotina]

that means if you're mechtown I'd still want to vote you

and considering this is Grand Idea I can still be right with an iota of chance

@pedit: no, guillo is scum and korina is town and voting Korina would be scumclaiming

Temporal is so obvious scum lol

[Guillotina]

If i was mechtown he’d still want to vote me.

What an anti town claim that is

[Guillotina]

well you're (guillotina) trying to get yourself mechtown in a convoluted attempt to win the game for scum.

I'm saying I'm not deterred by your pathetic attempts to use Grand Idea shenanigans to deflect your incoming hammer.

I will accept a claim from you, and you specifically.

@pedit: let the dark forces imbue you

@ppedit: you're still voting no lime

Now you are getting offensive. Im here to play to have fun, specially in the amidst of my mom getting surgery. If you cannot not be toxic while playing, I WILL BLACKLIST YOU.

Call me pathetic one more time.

[Guillotina]

I am town and I’m gonna play way or i’ll take the axe.

Simple as that

[Guillotina]

My way *

Correction

[Guillotina]

You decide. I already breadcrumbed what my role but i will not claim.

Your decision. Either way, play to have fun guys, im off for a while.

[Guillotina]

VFP and other "followers" of Korina, see the above post to see Korina's true intentions and how much they really care about you. They would backstab you in an instant if given the opportunity. Don't let them.

I am but a mere disciple!

UNVOTE: Gullio

eugh... I'm torn on this, that built up quickly but the "Town can't live without me because I'm SOOOOO important" bullshit makes me just wanna *bop*

Well we found our day 2 lim!

Look at this guy, how can you townread this?

Say for a minute that i was actually scum and that flea was town, why unvoting me means they must be scum too, cant they just be town, wrongly townreading me?

This crap does not make sense!

[Guillotina]

Wait i've been hammered?

Ok. Then you'll see my flip

Few things of note.

Flea never ever attempts to yeet me on day unless scum, because our styles are similar, they understand me better than anyone, so if they contributed to get my wagon built is because they are scum.

2) VFP is scum
Temporal town
Samantha town
Raya scum
Mahi scum

[Guillotina]

Scum team if VFP is actually town.

RAYA
mahimahi
temporal
KidAmn

How are you actually getting these. Reads? Feelings? Magic 8 ball?

There's no way you can know this lol

They are called reads my beloved captain

[Guillotina]

Sayonara!

[Guillotina]

@VFP - I wanna know why you're voting guill, I wanna know what exactly you're thinking on Guill, and I assume your link to me is on associatives?

I vote with my cult leader!
I've said this enough already. You can just read my ISO and see why Guil is scum. I even said that I wanted my leader to vote here so I could. This shows that you are not paying attention to the game.
You can read Guil's ISO to see why they are scum.

You jumping off at E1 for the reason of it being too easy of a wagon in GI doesn't stick well with me at all. You instantly take off any pressure that Guil has regardless if they are the lim or not. Not to mention loss of information here.
Even if there are scum on the wagon and it went up too quick. Who cares? This is GI and Guil is flipping scum here. It's not a valid argument to stop a scum lim.

Instead of telling everyone to look at your shady ISO for why i am scum. Why don't you tell us?

Case me! You are either scum pushing a townie with good reads about you and your teammates, or you are a townie deathtunneling another for extremely bad reasons. I think it's the first by intent and tone of your posts. I have no idea how roles can be confirmable on Day 1, in a bastard set up and why town would bring that up to attract unnecessary attention to their slot.

Take notice that early in the day Korina and Mahi's wagons built up and when i came into the thread voicing my reads, the mahi wagon started to crumble and mine slowly but steadily formed close to the time i could actually get eliminated, why?

Why is scummy from me to voice my suspicion on VFP? Just because he says he is confirmable? Im not looking at his claim but his behavior that is incredibly scummy. How come you guys you are not picking up those red flags?

I’ll post my details read later, if im still kicking.

If i havent been hammered i'd like to request time to properly case my reads, if town is ok with that.

[Guillotina]

I believe Korina.
Scum going to try and discredit here.

I don't want to go into detail but I chose a really powerful role that is confirmable to the entire town by tomorrow at the latest.

Why does he believe Korina?
Notice how VFP is predisposing the thread in a way that if anyone disagrees with them on their "read" on Korina, they'll be considered scum. So any attempt at casing Korina will be taken as anti-town and of course any voice against Korina's case would be pushed as such, regardless of intent or alignment.

This feels like VFP could possibly be scum with TMI on Korina.

If I had to guess right now.

mahimahi+ - WW
Flea - town
Raya36 - scum
TemporalLich - town
Guillotina - cultist
Korina - town
Almost50 - town
KidAmn - town
Nono - SK
samantha97 - town
CaptainS - scum
Vaxkiller - scum

How does he come up with a read on me as a Cultist if there is no guarantee or signs that there is such a role?
How possible is it that there is a cult leader role in a 13 players set up? Why would town worried about a slim chance that there is a cult leader when there is scum to catch?

VFP is also yet to explore all of those town reads. There is no way an uninformed town has so many town reads so early in the game.

my gut says that flea is hard null as 136 feels NAI

I'm not sure what would prompt Flea to lie there. But I think it was a

good town response

so far.

Possible TMI on Flea. Does he know Flea is town?

You sound more worried to if Korina is telling the truth there.

What Vaxkiller would be worried about exactly?

Well your guess would be wrong on me for a start

Okay I believe you.
Locktown

What? Locktown, just like that. Why? Why do you believe CaptainS? Someone whose first game here in THIS ONE!

[Unv]Korina[/unv]

100% town.

Why?

Tracker / watcher, those kind of investigations.
Make your picks purely around me.

Even if we have 5 doctors, all on me.

I offered this to town as well. Temporal sus me for it, yet you were not.

Fuck cultists, I hate playing as converter and much more being converted. If you plan to convert me, don't, I will out you with extremely bad cultist play.

This just scream cultis to me.

Why? At this point is when i noticed a prejudice attitude towards me. He had decided I was cultist on a read list before and here is how he starts pushing that narrative.

Guillotina actually roled anti town.
I'm impressed.

You shouldn't feel impressed about yourself because you are wrong.

Yeah, I'm basically confirmed tonight or I'm gone tomorrow.

Are you trying to bait visits upon you?

Do you townread Korina?

Yes, and so should you.
In Korina we believe! My vote sticks with Korina, not against.

Nice manipulation of my point

. And yes,

generally speaking

if you think someone is scum you try to elim them.

Thank you!
So we are agreed that there is

much of a reason to lim Korina as there is to lim you

.
That makes you look suspicious even more so.

If there is much of a reason to lim Korina as there is to lim Vaxkiller, why is Vaxkiller suspicious but Korina is not under that logic?
Because VFP is pocketing Korina!

Stop white knighting her and stop misrepresenting my reasons to scum read people, that's svummy. I scum read Korina because she is playing the exact same way i watched her play in our last game where she was scum.

So with meta only.
Your argument here is meta only.

Why are you voting who pushed the scum narrative anyway?
Did you forget who you were voting?

Unless i misunderstood, here he implies that we are not entitled to scum read a player who scum reads another player that we also scum read. As if wolves don't distance or buss others.

VFP, are you for real right now or just trolling me. Like im not sure if I should even respond to you, because it looks like you just fuckin with me trying to rile me up.

I'm 100% serious.

Your scum equity is going up with every post.

Are you telling me that scum would not push each other to distance themselves on Day 1?
Are you telling me that you didnt consider that Mahi and Korina could be scum read for independent reasons?
Ate you not aware thst there may or may not be different types of scum in this game?

Mahi is town and not scum.

I think you actually forgot who you were voting for though as you're scum.

You are dead set on Korina as scum and its suggested highly likely as cult leader if they are.

Why would you not be voting here if you didn't believe it?

Your push is fake. Your reasons are bad.

YOU ARE DEAD SET ON KORINA THAT SHE IS TOWN. HOW?!

I explained my reasons of why I think Korina could be wolf but you town read her and never gave any solid reasons. Also a reply to the sized up comment in VFP's quote:

I only have one vote and I scum read more than one person.

Oh look upon removing your wool i have discovered you bot pelt underneath.

How do you know Mahi is town?

How can you prove that i forgot i was voting for Mahi? If you cant prove it, it's a shade.

You accuse me of wolf reading Korina on just based meta, yet again you are town reading him based on meta, if my read on korina is invalid because of meta, how is yours not equally invalid then?

I dont know if my reasons are bad, im uninformed, but i do believe in them so dont dare to say that they are fake.

Because Mahi isn't in the Mafia team.

There's no other role they could have taken other than town.

I cant meta read Korina because I have never played with them.

My reason is for scum pushing for an easy lim using Meta

. I don't need to explain the difference, because you don't believe the scum push anyway.

But your argument here is if it can't be proven that you're lying even though it's obvious, it's not true?
Well my counter to that is I proved that you forgot who you were voting for, prove that I didn't or you claim scum.

Your reasons are uniformed that meta beats game? Well I'm telling you now, it's fake. And I'll uniform that all game.

1) How do you know Mahi isn't in a mafia team?

2) If you don't have meta on Korina, why do you assume he is an easy lim?

3) My argument is that you can't possibly know that i forgot unless you are a GODDAMN psychic!

1) How do you know Mahi isn't in a mafia team?
Not in the PT with me

2) If you don't have meta on Korina, why do you assume he is an easy lim?
Because the reasons giving is an easy lim with no throw back? Are you trying to say I have meta on Korina?

3) My argument is that you can't possibly know that i forgot unless you are a GODDAMN psychic!
Prove that I can't possible know that.

This guy is obvious scum, i actually feel bad for your team because you surely cannot blend in. Honestly all i have to do know is how people interact with you to find the other scum. I think Korina might not be scum for the way you white knighted her.

Why did upsized the sentences of the quote. I will tell you now.

I'm so glad that my team are killing you tonight, because you will know in 143

I mark out who is on my team pretty well.

Also, I believe that post as much as you believe your fake push on Mahi, Korina, and me today.

You saying you scum read Raya, CaptainS and Vaxkiller? is this what you meant?

Right now samantha commands me.

Scum leading the scum I guess.

If so, then what's the angle? That they plus Me, Flea and Samantha are scum to? For a total of 6 scum players in a 13 player set up?
How is this possible?

I had an 80% chance of getting town sry

I guess you got the 20% then?
Side note, Captain is probably town, just wrong town.

this is the first game where I have actually wanted to vote no lynch

This is actually one of the first posts I like from you.
But no,

we need a lim

here.

We need a lim? No, we need to lim scum, the way you are saying it here is that any lim is good and that mentality comes from anti-town parties.

[Guillotina]

and thanks for putting the words in my mouth.

Naughty naughty Flea! Don't lie to me!

I'm torn on this, that built up quickly

Here show's the reason I just said.

You jumping off at E1 for the reason of it being too easy of a wagon

My reason for jumping off was I was having doubts and didn't want a lolhammer dropping.
My intent is still there, but I feel there's more we can get from the day yet

Lets face it, anyone who claims that reads are all correct D1 are deluded. Of course I'm going to be wrong in places but Guil is just ticking all of the boxes.
I actually wish that Captain or someone could have hammered because that would have been a strong scum tell for me with that.

ou are either scum pushing a townie with good reads about you and your teammates

This is exactly why you have to go today. It was a joint decision from me and my scum buddies.

I never get yeeted on day 1 unless i got God reads and scum want me gone.

This is what scared us.

Why are you avoiding me by answering me with this WIFOM bs? Why can't you give me straight answers and help me town read you?

[Guillotina]

I'm not sure I should take Guil seriously here when they make a case on me revolving around my joke posts.
That said...

Why are you avoiding me by answering me with this WIFOM bs? Why can't you give me straight answers and help me town read you?

I feel that you are either trying to use the obvious joke posts as the reason to justify you as town, or we really won't ever be on the same page this game.

If I am scum to you, why does it matter for me to convince you that I am town?

If I don't then surely it's just more of a reason for you to scum read me.

I do wonder though, why am I in a faction rather than solo for you?

How would I know they are joke posts? I don't know you! How can I think they are joke posts if you are building a case against me with those posts?

VFP come on! Is this another joke post or is this one for real? It matters because I don't know that you are scum, I suspect you to be.
Why are you in a faction rather than a solo? Because this is a game of mafia and I don't have mech info that says there is scum loners? do you?

[Guillotina]

How would I know they are joke posts? I don't know you! How can I think they are joke posts if you are building a case against me with those posts?

VFP come on! Is this another joke post or is this one for real? It matters because I don't know that you are scum, I suspect you to be.
Why are you in a faction rather than a solo? Because this is a game of mafia and I don't have mech info that says there is scum loners? do you?

How would I know who is what regardless if I am scum?
I wouldn't even know who town is...
The only inside information that anyone has is factional.
I do not believe that you take any of my joke posts as serious as you are trying to imply and build a 'case' around them. This kind of play will not make me back off a scum read either.

You have been in these games before, why are you acting like 3rd party solo's aren't common or at least highly plausible in these?
I could just be a serial killer here. I could be an underdog. I could be a survivor. I could be a jester. I could be a solo WW. I could be a solo Alien.
But you already know this, and are trying to look naive.

It's the same with the fake "Oh no I was hammered". You are trying to manipulate people into thinking you are too naive here to be scum.

VFP, if you are trolling me, this is not fun.

How would I know who is what regardless if I am scum?

Cause scum is the informed minority and they know each other? Like, this is a mafia game. Scum gotta know who is not in their team, right?

I wouldn't even know who town is...

You got a point there, you can't exactly know who town is in a set up where there are independents, but everyone is a threat to mafia's wincon. So essentially as scum you treat the other players as "town".

I do not believe that you take any of my joke posts as serious as you are trying to imply and build a 'case' around them. This kind of play will not make me back off a scum read either.

Again, I don't know you and there was no indication to me that you were joking when casing me. Now, if you were joking then... why do you scum read me then?

You have been in these games before, why are you acting like 3rd party solo's aren't common or at least highly plausible in these?

I've been in one before. I'm not acting like there is not a possibility, I just don't have proof there is and until there is proof, my fight is against scum. Simple as that.

I could just be a serial killer here. I could be an underdog. I could be a survivor. I could be a jester. I could be a solo WW. I could be a solo Alien.
But you already know this, and are trying to look naive.

If if there was, 3ps are a threat to our wincon and I treat them as if they were scum.

It's the same with the fake "Oh no I was hammered". You are trying to manipulate people into thinking you are too naive here to be scum.

This is the stuff that pings me. I know it was not fake, I don't keep track of the vote count myself, I only saw that someone posted that we got a d1 lim so I assumed by how the thread state was going that I was hammered when I came back. You can't be saying with certainty that what I said was fake, because you are not inside my thoughts to know.
I never intended to manipulate people into thinking anything, you are the one that's been manipulating people's posts to push people and when confronted with a thunderdome, you say that they've been joke posts all along. Nah nah nah!

[Guillotina]

I only saw that someone posted that we got a d1 lim so I assumed by how the thread state was going that I was hammered when I came back.

I would believe this if you didn't comment 4minutes before with this.

why unvoting me means they must be scum too

You see the unvote, you response talking about the unvote. No one is saying that you have been eliminated. There has been 1 vote after on you.
YOU. DO. NOT. BELIEVE. THAT. THIS. WAS. A. HAMMER.

I'm talking about Flea's unvote and your accusation to them that because they unvoted then they must be scum.

That statement is completely narrow minded because they could be town wrongly townreading me if I was scum. You cannot just scum read players because they don't play the way you expect them to!

So, What does that have anything to do with not realizing I was not hammered when I thought I was though?

[Guillotina]

yeah I skimmed lol

I can state 738 again as it was a performance but I don't dispute Guillo is getting townier

I still think Korina is town so that makes Guillo a great vote.

Why is Korina town? What has he done to merit such read from you?

[Guillotina]

yeah I skimmed lol

I can state 738 again as it was a performance but I don't dispute Guillo is getting townier

I still think Korina is town so that makes Guillo a great vote.

Why is Korina town? What has he done to merit such read from you?

This still mostly hinges off Korina's claim being something I meta-read Korina as town (or at least not groupscum) for.

ISO skim looks okay, and I think Korina's wagon stall is towny.

Ok. If not Korina and me, then who should we yeet, who do scum read the most now?

[Guillotina]

Scum team if VFP is actually town.

RAYA
mahimahi
temporal
KidAmn

Can I get a short case on each of them? Like, one of them (I won't say which) is even higher than Korina on my own scale of townie-ness (that's to say if that slot is Scum I'm screwed)

How to explain this... I don't remember why I scum read

KidAmn

anymore, I know I picked up on something but I forgot about it while I was defending myself trying to prevent my elimination. (It's embarrassing I know).

My read on

Raya

has changed, I town lean her for now, the reasons are that she gave me a detail explanation of why she townreads Korina which made me look into his wiki to realize a few things. Raya also unvoted to give a chance to out reads at a point where as scum it would be just as easy to maintain her vote to get me chopped, half the playerlist was pile wagoning and it would be easy to wait for someone to just hammer me, but she didn't, she unvoted (i realized this upon looking into her ISO an hour ago), giving me a breather to out my suspicions and town up. Thank you.

I was scum reading

Temporal

for his "resignation" comment on me in post 513 which i replied to in post 517
I thought that such comment couldn't organically come from a player with his experience, again as I stated in post 517.
I also didn't like his comment that even if I was mech clear town he'd still want to yeet me in post 678

However, I think no scum would admit that so openly. I mean, he could have been power wolfing but I don't think a wolf risks looking bad like that when people start reading ISOs to solve slots. Also he defends elimination on Day 1, which is something I agree on, I also think that a chop would give us more info as opposed to Samantha's proposition to not eliminate, or Korina's stance on yeeting anyone as long as it is not him or Vax, which I find rather mercurial, if not scummy altogether. The last point is that if Korina is scum and Temporal also is, I don't think he'd go out of his way to defend him, I think he genuinely believes in his read on Korina which is fair regardless of me thinking he is wrong or right about that read.

mahimahi

is scum read for their continuous attempts at role fishing, they did it to Korina and they tried to hustle me into claiming my role. I'm also guessing he and Korina are scum but not necessarily from the same faction.

I still think

Korina

is most likely scum. I looked into his wiki to look up his town games and although it is true that he pulls out fake claims as town, he's felt more determine to solve in those games as opposed to how she played in Temporal's grand idea game and here, where all he's done is talking about mech stuff, his alleged chosen miller role and just creating chaos without attempting to solve. I'm failing to see what Raya and Temporal see when town reading Korina here.
Korina says that he can confirm himself by going through her vig by calling out his shots, but he can do it by carrying out the factional kill, all he gotta do is kill a townie, say that he called out the shot but he was terribly wrong about shooting a townie. I must confess i might be tunneled onto him for his performance in our last game where he randed scum and convinced a a good chunk of players that he was a survivor 3p and not giving him a proper chance, but I'm willing to give him the same chance that town has given me by yeeting someone else that I scumread today.

Our contract has expired Samantha, i just realized I'm not very good at sheeping people. UNVOTE: Korina

[Guillotina]

This is a good example for why I don't think Guillo is town:

If I had to guess right now.
mahimahi+ - WW
Flea - town
Raya36 - scum
TemporalLich - town
Guillotina - cultist
Korina - town
Almost50 - town
KidAmn - town
Nono - SK
samantha97 - town
CaptainS - scum
Vaxkiller - scum

How does he come up with a read on me as a Cultist if there is no guarantee or signs that there is such a role?
How possible is it that there is a cult leader role in a 13 players set up? Why would town worried about a slim chance that there is a cult leader when there is scum to catch?

VFP is also yet to explore all of those town reads. There is no way an uninformed town has so many town reads so early in the game.

First, this just looks like he's trying to find something to scumread. That list was obviously not meant to be taken too seriously. Read as a low info early guess to see how close he can get to being right. The fact that Guillo is reading so much into it and trying to push the angle that VFP must be informed is scummy.

my gut says that flea is hard null as 136 feels NAI

I'm not sure what would prompt Flea to lie there. But I think it was a

good town response

so far.

Possible TMI on Flea. Does he know Flea is town?

VFP is saying that as in it reads as a good town response. He's not slipping and saying that town!Flea made a good response.

Yeah, I'm basically confirmed tonight or I'm gone tomorrow.

Are you trying to bait visits upon you?

If you actually think VFP is baiting visits from what was said then you must think VFP is town and baiting scum to visit. If that's the case why would you even point it out instead of just letting the bait work.

this is the first game where I have actually wanted to vote no lynch

This is actually one of the first posts I like from you.
But no,

we need a lim

here.

We need a lim? No, we need to lim scum, the way you are saying it here is that any lim is good and that mentality comes from anti-town parties.

This is a really bad interpretation of what VFP said. People say we need a lim all the time. It doesn't mean we need any lim. It means we try to lim scum and if we're wrong that's ok because we still get info and we tried.

---------

Scum team if VFP is actually town.

RAYA
mahimahi
temporal
KidAmn

Can I get a short case on each of them? Like, one of them (I won't say which) is even higher than Korina on my own scale of townie-ness (that's to say if that slot is Scum I'm screwed)

How to explain this... I don't remember why I scum read

KidAmn

anymore, I know I picked up on something but I forgot about it while I was defending myself trying to prevent my elimination. (It's embarrassing I know).

My read on

Raya

has changed, I town lean her for now, the reasons are that she gave me a detail explanation of why she townreads Korina which made me look into his wiki to realize a few things. Raya also unvoted to give a chance to out reads at a point where as scum it would be just as easy to maintain her vote to get me chopped, half the playerlist was pile wagoning and it would be easy to wait for someone to just hammer me, but she didn't, she unvoted (i realized this upon looking into her ISO an hour ago), giving me a breather to out my suspicions and town up. Thank you.

I was scum reading

Temporal

for his "resignation" comment on me in post 513 which i replied to in post 517
I thought that such comment couldn't organically come from a player with his experience, again as I stated in post 517.
I also didn't like his comment that even if I was mech clear town he'd still want to yeet me in post 678

However, I think no scum would admit that so openly. I mean, he could have been power wolfing but I don't think a wolf risks looking bad like that when people start reading ISOs to solve slots. Also he defends elimination on Day 1, which is something I agree on, I also think that a chop would give us more info as opposed to Samantha's proposition to not eliminate, or Korina's stance on yeeting anyone as long as it is not him or Vax, which I find rather mercurial, if not scummy altogether. The last point is that if Korina is scum and Temporal also is, I don't think he'd go out of his way to defend him, I think he genuinely believes in his read on Korina which is fair regardless of me thinking he is wrong or right about that read.

mahimahi

is scum read for their continuous attempts at role fishing, they did it to Korina and they tried to hustle me into claiming my role. I'm also guessing he and Korina are scum but not necessarily from the same faction.

I still think

Korina

is most likely scum. I looked into his wiki to look up his town games and although it is true that he pulls out fake claims as town, he's felt more determine to solve in those games as opposed to how she played in Temporal's grand idea game and here, where all he's done is talking about mech stuff, his alleged chosen miller role and just creating chaos without attempting to solve. I'm failing to see what Raya and Temporal see when town reading Korina here.
Korina says that he can confirm himself by going through her vig by calling out his shots, but he can do it by carrying out the factional kill, all he gotta do is kill a townie, say that he called out the shot but he was terribly wrong about shooting a townie. I must confess i might be tunneled onto him for his performance in our last game where he randed scum and convinced a a good chunk of players that he was a survivor 3p and not giving him a proper chance, but I'm willing to give him the same chance that town has given me by yeeting someone else that I scumread today.

Our contract has expired Samantha, i just realized I'm not very good at sheeping people. UNVOTE: Korina

With all of the above said, this post reads very town. I'm suspicious enough that I'm still considering this being a survivalistic scum post, but the read on me was good, I agree with the Lich read, I agree with the mahi read although it is definitely an easier mostly universal read this game, and the analysis on Korina was good and I agree that the vig shot isn't a 100% way to clear Korina but I do have a town meta-read on them.

My read on Korina is purely a metaread - I don't think Korina is acting the same way as in TL's GIM

Definitely agree with this. Korina is quite good at manipulation so I'll need more than meta later on but for now it's enough for me to give a D1 townread.

1) First quote. The moment someone procures a read list, I do not take it as a joke so, I found it odd that someone would post a read list of people so early in the game. I was not looking for reasons to scum read VFP, I just thought it was scummy plain and simple.

2) Well to me it looked like a slip and ive been playing this game for two decades and I often catch them on Day 1 more than any other day. But maybe I'm just tunneled.

3) Ok. Fair. Maybe I'm just deathtunneled onto VFP, I'll step back and try to start reading the thread without a tunnel.

4) A healthy amount of skepticism is good.

[Guillotina]

VOTE: mahimahi

[Guillotina]

VAX I'M A FUCKING MILLER, OF COURSE I FLIPPED CULT.

Millers dont show as cults in investigation checks.

[Guillotina]

VOTE: KORINA

[Guillotina]

btw can we fast night this pls

UNVOTE: Korina

Now that Korina is outed. Why did Nono die? Why Nono, out of all people?

[Guillotina]

hello~ be here soon

@Nono - how long will you be on V/LA for?

xD

glad to be mentioned, feeling appreciated
not v/la, or yet, anyway

reading now)

I tried for wolf twilight extender and didnt get it.

kek, my dude)

first thoughts,, korina pulling the same thing as last time, doesn't inspire good feelings
true, claim is convenient for scum,, it's begging not to be shot,, on other hand, can confirm role is in iso,, the question is, what does korina choose as town, if town?

viewtopic.php?f=5&t=59348&user_select%5 ... &start=200

Just read this

Are you seriously telling me Korina picks 1-shot deathproof cult leader over the busted cult roles they've come up with? Like, you can find stuff in there like ELITE CULT LEADER THAT LITERALLY CANNOT DIE BY ANY MEANS UNTIL DAY 4 AND CAN RECEUIT 2 PLAYERS PER NIGHT or something like that, and cultmafia roles which combine the mafia and cult factions and other ridiculous busted things

-mahi

different hand,, can see this,, maybe korina is cult after all, to lie about the cult role they submitted
can see moderator downgrading the role, but does not change the submission claim
inclined to believe,, because, small detail,, 1-shot deathproof was the first role in the iso, easiest to pick
however, since deathproof is a real possibility, the best option is to leash the vig, at least for now,, it's a problem for another time

reading along,, it's exciting
mahi, making sense to me,, will not claim,, instead, will send a present tonight, keep eye out)
suppose can go korina,, don't see why we can't try the scum claim, even if it might not work, will get information

read too much, need to rest,, unlike me

v/la 28 hours

what is this game xD
to be honest, not feeling it,, too many people are pure confusing
temporal maybe the most uncontaminated of them all, early reads town)

I'm not pulling the same thing as last time Nono. The same thing would be CLAIMING THAT I'M TOAD FROM MARIO, A SURVIVOR WITH A POST RESTRICTION WHERE I MUST TALK IN ALL CAPS OR I DIE.
I also don't like your insinuation that you *know* I'm scum again, when I know for a fact I'm a townie.
I would honest to god shoot you tonight, but a bullet goes to Vax tonight. You get shot tomorrow unless you flip. Sorry Nono, but I genuinely can't read you, and I want you out.
As for town roles that I pick, I literally said I submitted NK-Immune Miller Vig, or I would've submitted a Miller role just because I think it's funny. Alternatively, barring any of those, I would've submitted a vigi, because we know there are a lot of townies in this game, and I have a substantially higher chance of shooting not town, considering people can pick an IC, or clear themselves with town roles.

what?!?!? of course not, no xD can't seriously have that as a point or expect you to do that, that's too on the nose
meant attitude, vibe,, claiming survivor or nk-immune vig, which would is a good claim for scum
never had insinuation i knew you were scum, was just thinking from that perspective,, how is thinking you are scum scummy, anyhow
of course you say that, was rhetorical question though, can't just believe you on word of mouth now

wondering what your townplay is like,, all i think now is wanting everyone who dislikes you gone, feels TERRIBLE,, it isn't scumhunting, only barring not knowing how town!you plays

I'm claiming a confirmable role. If I was claiming survivor again, sure, I'd get it. I'm not. I'm claiming vigilante. I can literally claim the kill I do, and prove I can at least kill people. If I don't kill someone, and I wasn't RB'd/hit immune, then you have plausible reason to kill me.

also, can just be scum xD (but we won't mention it so everyone will forget)

i'll trust in fish also, today) VOTE: korina

We've got nono whose name is apparently what they say when asked for input judging by their post count

funny xD

you can ask, kid,, will answer, just for you)

game is funny, in the worst way kek

gullio can be town, playing similar to last game, maybe
let's vote korina so we can get started on twilight early (joke) xD

Only player Nono suspected was Korina, but given Korina is a cult. Who else had reason to kill Nono?

[Guillotina]

Good question. A nono kill doesn't make sense from korina because korina is supposedly cult. Maybe scum trying to frame

korina to get rid of cult/NK-immune

? Neither of those possibilities would be good for scum.
Nono didn't really express any other reads so that's my best guess.

How would scum know Korina is cult though? Because Korina always chooses cults?

[Guillotina]

idk what's the angle for accusing someone of something that gets proven when lynched so early in the game? sacrificing 1 mafia member to get rid of the nk immune?

...OK, so Korina has lied at least once about their 3rd pick, and their promised kill on Vax didn't happen. Vax has almost certainly lied to try and get Korina lynched and VFP has asserted they can prove so, and nono who pretty much only SR'd Korina died last night. mahimahi has also declared more or less their entire wagon to be scum and that Korina's claimed role doesn't match their Guesser check.

This feels pretty much like scum who believe they can't NK Korina decided to create an overabundance of "evidence" to set up a lynch.

Again, for the record, given that Korina has almost certainly lied to us at one point or another regarding their pick, AND is a claimed Miller, that apparently doesn't know how Millers work, that slot dies before endgame. But, given that Vax has pretty openly fakeclaimed, VOTE: Vaxkiller

This was my feeling. If Korina is a town miller nk-immune who got massively townread, then scum would be forced to sacrifice one of their own to get him yeeted and this whole thing including Nono's death screams set up.

Another thought came to be that this whole thing between Vaxkiller, Raya, Samantha and Korina was all a big scum theater, but it was immediately discarded because no scum would out their entire team to deepwolf one player, especially Korina.

[Guillotina]

Vaxkiller could be lying for who knows what reasons, but one thing's for sure, Korina is lying about their role which makes them not-town, and we need to exterminate all not-town

Let me make this very clear:

The wagon on mahimahi was ABSURDLY dense with scum yesterday. We have a very powerful investigative town role, a role capable of guiltying any non-town member in the game. We're a must kill for any scum, since they literally can't claim without it getting disproven by us the following night. When they saw we were a viable wagon, you bet a whole lot of scum jumped at that opportunity to get rid of us via a vote on day 1 instead of having to worry about killing us at night.

Guillotina is very likely scum for similar reasons. He was at L-1 with intent declared but would not claim because he KNOWS, that even if he gets out with a claim, we would be able to check him the next night and disprove it, there's absolutely nothing he can claim that buys him more than just a day, so he'd rather claim nothing at all.

VFP on the other hand is very likely town for their eagerness to claim to us when we initially claimed our role

Korina, Flea, Guillotina, KidAmn are all put on mahi-deathrow. Raya is still being evaluated... she may have been misguided and we were calling here flipped town so as scum you'd think she would want to keep us around even if we're an uber strong town role. TemporalLich and Almost50 have the finger of mahi pointed at them but they're less of a priority compared to the evil 4


-mahi

Mahi continues to role fish.

[Guillotina]

@Korina what were your three picks again?

[Guillotina]

My role is confirmed. THere is no way I can "guess" Korinas role.

I'M CONFIRMED. No IFS ANDS OR BUTTS.

@Korina what were your three picks again?

NK-Immune Miller Vig
One-Shot Dayvig Mafia Treestump
Elite Cult Leader

Ok thank you.

[Guillotina]

Also I changed my mind Guil is actually town.

What changed your mind?

[Guillotina]

Also I changed my mind Guil is actually town.

What changed your mind?

I re read the game and your ISO carefully. I think your AtE was only from a town mind set.
Plus you were consistent the entire day.

You can read Guil's ISO to see why they are scum.

Were you culted last night? You went from Guil is always scum here til the very end to i read your ISO and you are town. You read my ISO on day 1 too and i was scum. So... what exactly in my ISO changed your mind.
I love getting townread but not like this, this looks suspicious.

[Guillotina]

VOTE: Korina

Kind of redundant now but after that confession.

[Guillotina]

and consider that was also the game with the

Spoiler: open if you want to lose your sanity

Twilight Extender

I hate that role, it keeps popping up in GIM and i keep posting counters to them, now we also have a Dawn and Midnight phases. There is no stopping it!

[Guillotina]

How long does it extend for?

Man there are 72 hour extenders courtesy of Korina and Cook.

[Guillotina]

3 days.... thankfully Ircher will have veto'd it here

Just a minimum participation deadline to worry about here

Ircher is the creator of that monster! Lol

[Guillotina]

3 days.... thankfully Ircher will have veto'd it here

Just a minimum participation deadline to worry about here

How long does it extend for?

Man there are 72 hour extenders courtesy of Korina and Cook.

Wtf, what's the point?

To annoy the hell out of other players, to squeeze the fun out of us. That's the point, sometimes people just anna watch the world BURN.

[Guillotina]

Or it might be easier to just convince you all on Guillotina, he's more certain scum honestly for how scared he was to claim. The only time you see stubborn town not claiming at E-1 is when they're VT and know it won't change anything. No one in this setup is VT, we all have power.

Guillotina is scum who did want to claim because there's a Town Guesser alive.

-mahi

So... If I was scum here, I knew there was a guesser how exactly?

Mahi, let's just that I'm really really bad news for killers, as bad as my last game.

[Guillotina]

VOTE: END THE DAY

[Guillotina]

End Day Early is getting Flash yeeted! What did it do?

[Guillotina]

Sweet I'm safe.
VOTE: END OUR SUFFERING PLEASE!

Also Guillo I ain't keepin you company now. just sayin. I wanna go pet the wolfie!

No worries, I'm highly capable of defending myself at night

[Guillotina]

Nice try I guess, Raya. We get two guesses per night

Or it might be easier to just convince you all on Guillotina, he's more certain scum honestly for how scared he was to claim. The only time you see stubborn town not claiming at E-1 is when they're VT and know it won't change anything. No one in this setup is VT, we all have power.

Guillotina is scum who did want to claim because there's a Town Guesser alive.

-mahi

So... If I was scum here, I knew there was a guesser how exactly?

Mahi, let's just that I'm really really bad news for killers, as bad as my last game.

We very clearly claimed our role long before Guillo was on L-1 and there was a lot of discussion around it. Guillo is now playing dumb about this like he was about being hammered. We should definitely go here tomorrow

@Kidamn: Because if I think two people are scum, I'm going to start with the person who's easier to vote out first. Less effort and more likely of succeeding

@Ircher: VOTE: End Day

@Flea: Prove you have control over time by returning us to start of day 1

@VFP: Nice profile picture, but you feel less pure/innocent now

-mahi

If there was a town guesser claim yesterday, i missed it but even if i knew, i wouldn't have hard claimed because it benefits scum and helps them plan things around.

So stop your role fishing and to every request of demand you make from this point forward about role claiming.

BACK THE HELL OFF

[Guillotina]

Difference is Raya is out right lying saying I defended Korina.
I never did that, I was going by my result and calling Vax scum.

Raya is playing a narrative to suit, I'm going for whats realistic.

From my point of view, only going from memory, I feel the same way raya does. I'll need to re-read, as I was in the zone most of the day trying to get korina faded.

Also, VFP's posts, after korina admitted everything, have a HUGE tone shift. Like they are way more insightful and introspective and open.

Could this come from a townie realizing he misread Korina big time or from a converted player trying to appease us to avoid his elimination next?

[Guillotina]

I will not chop the head of the one that served me the cult leader's head on a silver platter. Not this one, whom picks and executes anti-fun role mechanics and votes for anti-fun choices.

[Guillotina]

You guys that know Korina more, answer this please.

Who would Korina most likely convert? Someone with D1 narrow minded reads and an incredible capacity to tunnel players for dumb reasons or a townie with a town leader voice?

If i was a cult leader, i would choose someone with the potential to last long and help me fulfilled my wincon, so, i wouldnt convert VFP, Vaxkiller, Flea, Nono or Me. If Korina converted someone, it gotta be players with a methodical head, someone who can manage heat and turn tables.

But this is me. What would Korina do?

[Guillotina]

you're in the PoE, and you trying to inhibit posting is scummy

pedit: Your D1 and D2 game don't match, you're in the PoE with Vax and VFP, and your elim will easily resolve VFP

ppedit: honestly if I were a cult I'd target a strong town but not the strongest town

Is Korina known to be a great reader?

[Guillotina]

the ability to enter Day 3 with a clearer head?

Nice trying to ignore this part.

I'm going to quote this again.

You're now the one I'm voting for Day 3 because of this.

How the heck is gathering info rolefishing? I'm not looking for role info, I'm looking for info on who to vote D3... and ironically you've provided me with the info I need.

You are scum trying to attack me instead of defending yourself.

pedit: idk I don't read that intently myself

What is “PEDIT”?

[Guillotina]

Good shot o.o


Vaaaax..... what the buffalo was all that beef about?



PEDIT: Agreed.

VFP,

Cultist Dolphin

Well then, this takes care of the Cult faction altogether (and proves Korina was lying about having targeted Vax), but

it still does not completely clear Vax

.

That said, if Vax is a WW and has played his cards so effectively I won't be an arse to him. I do not want him limmed today (and I won't even be bitter if he ends up winning as a WW).

Some may question my suspicion on Vax, but I say it's also "too convenient" that VFP -of all- gets shot tonight (and over VAX himself).

Anyway, let's see what result Vax has for us today and move on based on that.

Do you think VFP was likely shot by scum?

[Guillotina]

I got a different theory.

I dont think scum are so incompetent to NK VFP when in the thread most us suspected him, he was gonna be the yeet and scum would want a wasted day on a probable convert.

I think VFP was a town vig shot and that scum failed their shot or it was blocked.

This does not clear Vax, for all we know he could be a scum rolecop

BUT

Would an experienced player like Vax out himself to shoot down a cult leader when his faction could just NK Korina the following night?

[Guillotina]

I got a different theory.

I dont think scum are so incompetent to NK VFP when in the thread most us suspected him, he was gonna be the yeet and scum would want a wasted day on a probable convert.

I think VFP was a town vig shot and that scum failed their shot or it was blocked.

This does not clear Vax, for all we know he could be a scum rolecop

BUT

Would an experienced player like Vax out himself to shoot down a cult leader when his faction could just NK Korina the following night?

Let me rephrase would scum vax out himself to out Korina in the thread?

[Guillotina]

Reminder: We lost 2 "originally Town" slots and 1 anti-town so far. Best case scenario we have a lone scumster, and worst case is we are 5 townies vs 5 non-town.

5 non town in a 13 player set up? Come on now. Ircher is not a noob mod.

[Guillotina]

5 non town in a 13 player set up? Come on now. Ircher is not a noob mod.

we already know there could be as many as 6 by default

That's crazy, was this mentioned in the OP?

[Guillotina]

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2i.

Neutral Survivor

: You win if you are alive at the end of the game. You may win with other factions.
2j.

Jester

: You win if you are executed. You may win with other factions.
2k.

Unjester

: You win if you are not executed. You may win with other factions.
2l.

Condemner

: You win if your target is executed. You may win with other factions.

3.

This game is bastard.

Expect anything and everything, including the moderator confirming information that is strictly untrue (e.g.: a werewolf as aligned with the town).
4. This setup uses roles from #0 to #10205 in the Grand Idea Mafia thread.
5.

Balance is explicitly not guaranteed.

In addition,

this game is not confirmed to have two scum of the same faction and thus may not have an informed minority.

It is guaranteed that there are at least seven (7) town and two (2) scum.
6. Duplicate picks are allowed (as in, two players could have picked the exact same post from the Grand Idea Mafia thread).
7. Unless otherwise specified, all private topics have day talk by default.
8. Unless otherwise specified, factional abilities cannot be used at the same time as active abilities.
9. This game will, to the best of my ability, use Natural Action Resolution.

10.

Do NOT quote your role pm under any circumstances, including private topics where it may appear that everyone is the same alignment.

Due to the nature of Grand Idea Mafia, nothing can be guaranteed including that mafia are truly mafia, etc.
10.

Only factional actions will be accepted in private topics. Individual actions should be pm'd to me.

This relates to the previous rule.
11. Sample role pm:

Spoiler: VT

Welcome to Mini Theme 2203: Grand Idea UPick!
You are a

Vanilla Townie

!

You possess no special abilities.

You win when all threats to the town are eliminated and at least one townie is still alive.

Please confirm by pm'ing me your alignment, role, and any partners you may have (if any).

[Guillotina]

Ok, i stand corrected about the theory of having that many alignments in play here. So in other words this set up is most likely scum sided by default.

[Guillotina]

Ok while Vax tell us his result I'd like to push this. I was looking at his ISO last night and it looks bad, no effort to solve at all.

VOTE: CaptainS

[Guillotina]

The CaptainS Case

Spoiler:

I got a result on someone. It's like a completely useless role. Like why would you choose that?

Due to the VFP flip, there is likely no bus driver so i feel confident in my info.

Their is so many people with unconfirmed roles so this role is a load of bull.

Ok while Vax tell us his result I'd like to push this. I was looking at his ISO last night and it looks bad, no effort to solve at all.

VOTE: CaptainS

I have two questions to ask.
Why?
Your fellow cultists tell you to or just scum?

Asking for a friend

I'm so glad you asked!

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Spoiler:

I got a result on someone. It's like a completely useless role. Like why would you choose that?

Due to the VFP flip, there is likely no bus driver so i feel confident in my info.

Their is so many people with unconfirmed roles so this role is a load of bull.

Ok while Vax tell us his result I'd like to push this. I was looking at his ISO last night and it looks bad, no effort to solve at all.

VOTE: CaptainS

I have two questions to ask.
Why?

Your fellow cultists tell you to or just scum?

Asking for a friend

First bolded section makes no sense. How is Vax's role "a load of bull"?

Second bolded section, likewise, also indicates lack of reading game thread - unless I've misinterp'd, there can't be any cult left, so this is just flailing and a massive over-reaction to one vote from someone I wouldn't exactly say is super-town looking themselves.

Captain S should claim.

Presumably this is your result: strange that of all the people in the game you picked someone with near-zero interactions instead of building a confirmable bloc of players who've actually done some good scum/culthunting.

My terminology was not the best i agree with the first section.

Basically i was meaning they have no idea if their/ s not a bus driver. Still too early to tell and the 2 nights they could investigate ( if they have that ability ) could not 100% determine the possibility of a bus driver especially in this game mode.

Yeh i react emotionally when somebody with the day 1 behaviour like they had says they looked at my posts in iso and think i'm the best vote of the town. He couldn't make his mind up and massively overacted to any questioning of him and basically acted like a paranoid scum so on that premise.

VOTE: Vote Guillotine.

I should claim, perhaps but im not a particulary useful role and i asked as such as this was my first game on this site.

I'm town. Have no night abilities and if you want to waste a day feel free to vote me up. It's upto you guys/gals/whatever/scum/loonies/fellow mafiasite players.

As KidAmn stated, Korina only had time to convert one person and that person flipped cultist last night. You are not reading the thread like you keep saying in half of the posts in your ISO. Your overreaction to a simple push vote and your reason for voting me back discrediting my day 1 play when I actually was the first to have scum read both Mahi and Korina and put up a case of why Raya and Temporal could both be town, qualifies you as outed scum.

This is how I proof I am town, by casing my suspects. Let's begin!

Hello. New to to this site but not to mafia games.

Let it be known that he stated he is not new to mafia, so he has no excuse for noob mafia play, so all noob mafia play should be considered intentional evasion/flailing.

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Read Inside The Spoiler Please

Spoiler:

I'm away for less than a day and 10 pages jees Louise.

First impressios is that you all talk ALOT.

Personally I don't believe a lot of the claims and it's Day 1 and soft claims/ roleclaiming Day 1 is honestly not be believed especially in a bastard set up.

I do have a few people that I'm leaning town

with the way that they act

and the way they are coming across to me but after all it is my first game with all of you and likewise with me. Becausr i could claim Jesus for all you know but I ain't got anything to back it up.

But for now VOTE: Korina Choo Choo

Says he is leaning a few people town by the way they act and come across to them but does not say who. Scum do this to not have to explain more in detail those thoughts, which makes me think those leans are fabricated to post something to appear solving without actuallu helping to solve anything.

I need to what to now?

I'm just easing my way into a brand new site and a bastard game. Ya'll talk alot you see.

We townies love people that talk because the more people talk the more information we get, the more behavior we can analyze, the more slip ups we can catch. This guy complaining that we talk a lot is not happy we are getting all this info out.

Sigh, give me a sec and i'll go though and point out posts and do a proper run through.

@KidAmn: You can claim the miller part without claiming the NK-immune or vig part. Think about it:

1) If you're NK-immune, why tell all scum that you can only die if they strongman you? It means no one will waste shots on them and they'll know to use a strongman on them

2) If they're a vig, they're asking to be roleblocked

They're probably some kind of OP bulletproof cult leader

-mahi

1) A full roleclaim can earn points for honesty, assuming Korina is being truthful, and prevents us wasting vig shot/s on them

2) Following on from this, if they are as you posit "some kind of op bulletproof cult leader", what incentive do they have to claim a role that invites the attention of roleblocks, preventing them from recruiting? Unless you're suggesting they have some way of getting around that, I really don't understand where your logic is coming from here.

I think everyone trying to push for my d1 elim is scum, and I’m going to shoot you.

Fear mongering

Korina is literally flipped scum

-mahi

It's day one. Granted nobody has anything just by what they have posted and their posting style but the aren't flipped scum confirmed. Just a chance of scum.

We arent waiting for night. Korina fades today.

Agree with the point but why the certainty and can you do it earlier?

on one hand korina had a higher chance than some people to be non-town, due to picking non-town as their 3rd, so as an indifferent baseline it's better than random

on the other hand, non-town have a vested interest in getting rid of someone who can't be nightkilled, and posts exist so it's never random anyway

This is a decent post to me. Speaks the truth and the fact is we don't know for sure. Very towny post

Raya is town and in my cult, leave them alone. I recruited them n0. Also, VFP, if I recruit you tonight, will I die? Yes or no?

No, I would never hurt my cult leader!

I want whatever they are on because it must be a very nice thing lol

Korina is literally flipped scum lol

-mahi

Have we had an end of day I wasn't aware off? Hmm.
Their is a chance they are scum, a chance you are and I am. I am leaning that way also but they haven't flipped it yet.

Bah

You wanna keep obvscum around, go ahead. Since you are this insane im gonna do something equally insane. I will sheep the first person that asks me to sheep him/her. Every vote from this point forward til the end of the day that he/she casts, I will cast. Go!

Umm.

Please dont sheep me?

Samanthas post stood out for me from what i quoted but what i don't understand and put this down to whether it's a bastard game or not.

Is this normal for day 1 around here? Asking for a friend.

He reads all of that and that was what he had to offer to contribute for solving. CaptainS already stated that he is a noob in MafiaScum not to the mafia game, so this kind of info that he is asking in game he could be asking it in the mafia discussion forum, or he could actually ask it in the games on top of contributing to the game. These kind of posts are scum indicative because they wanna look like they are reading, that they are here but without helping us catch scum.

You're right I'm not doing alot of scumhunting.

I'm brand new new to the site. Getting used to the layout. Getting use to the bastardasized game mode. Getting used to the the players i know diddly squat about and i don't know how they play on this site and in general. I have absolutely zero to go on except what the people post.

I was asked my thoughts so far and have given some of them. Will i give them all before we can even elim on day 1. Heck no. So I'm keeping track and ya'll learn more about my playstyle as the game grows. But i'll give you my alignment for free.
It's town

Now all don't feint at once.

You are not new to mafia! Being new to the forums does not prevent you from simply reading the thread and post your thoughts. This feels like an excuse to not contribute, you probably randed scum in your first game and you are overwhelmed by the pressure.

What an absolutely fantastic idea.

Do we claim all picks?
Or just the ones we were given?
Are we linking to the post?
Or should we just tell scum where to shoot? Because in that case they should just shoot me and have done.


no more crumbs, so how about just go whole loaf?

I think we do it on a system.
If you have left your country in the last 5 years, you reveal your role
If you have eaten an apple in the last week you reveal 1 role you didn't get
If you have been a mis lim ever you reveal another role you didn't get.

Also deciding where scum shoot might not be a bad idea.
Do we send all to 1 though or multiple targets?

Again, i want what this guys having because my brain would have a nice life

So CaptainS is clearly lurking in the game, reading what is posted by us but instead of helping us solve the game, he makes comments like this. Again, to look like he is the game but without contributing.

Why is not anyone else pushing this behavior!?

@everyone - your 3 person PoE, danke schön.

Guillotina, Samantha, Nono.

Why am I with Mahi in your PoE, when he is in my PoE. Doesn't “the enemy of your enemy is your friend” apply here? It should?

So you're Mafia and forget that there's probably 3rd party's.
Thanks for confirming this.

Also, Mahi town.

I caught that from Guillo earlier in another post too. Wouldn't scum be more aware of potential third parties or another team though?

Yes and no - the last UPick I was in, I was a Werewolf Mason who knew my masonry partners weren't part of a Mafia faction, but there were Mafia, Werewolves, a cult, Slivers, a Serial Killer and a Jester, all in a 15 player game. These games are very much "throw everything in a blender, make token effort to ensure it's a completable game if you want, press play". By and large, I advise to assume the worst, do the best you can D1, and hope whatever happens Night 1 makes sense.

This seems like a good way to view things imo.

Yaaah? How about you tell us why in your own words?

How about you gives us reads? How about you make questions about what catches your suspicion?

Must be because you can't! You are scum randing your first game here and you feel intimidated! and you should be! I'm sorry you randed scum here as your first game! That is tough.

well you're (guillotina) trying to get yourself mechtown in a convoluted attempt to win the game for scum.

I'm saying I'm not deterred by your pathetic attempts to use Grand Idea shenanigans to deflect your incoming hammer.

I will accept a claim from you, and you specifically.

@pedit: let the dark forces imbue you

@ppedit: you're still voting no lime

Now you are getting offensive. Im here to play to have fun, specially in the amidst of my mom getting surgery. If you cannot not be toxic while playing, I WILL BLACKLIST YOU.

Call me pathetic one more time.

VOTE: Guillotina

We are here to have fun and relax. If you need to step away because irl is happening then step away.

But for now your actions are giving me red flags in terms of your display.

Post edited so that the automated vote counters properly pick up on the vote.
~Ircher

Out of all the votes against me on day 1, this one looked to me the scummiest!

CaptainS mentioned that my actions were giving him read flags which was something that everyone else was feeling and they elaborated on that, but not Captain! Ne never said what those red flags were, never explained those thoughts. He just jumped on my wagon like the sneaky, pelty wolf he is.

Scum team if VFP is actually town.

RAYA
mahimahi
temporal
KidAmn

How are you actually getting these. Reads? Feelings? Magic 8 ball?

There's no way you can know this lol

Fair! I didn't explain my thoughts. But this is a TMI post from you. Here you said that there is no way I could know this because you know I am town.
Here you implied knowing that there was no way I could know if they were scum which is TMI for knowing that I'm town, but also you slipped up cause you also implied that you knew who of them were or weren't.

Wait i've been hammered?

And the best acting in 2021 goes to...
Guillotina

I actually spit my drink out lol

Fluff commentary! Thank you so much for your contributions! You ISO is looking great so far! (Sarcasm intensifies).

I'm gonna try to Spoiler the next long ass quote.

Spoiler:

I believe Korina.
Scum going to try and discredit here.

I don't want to go into detail but I chose a really powerful role that is confirmable to the entire town by tomorrow at the latest.

Why does he believe Korina?
Notice how VFP is predisposing the thread in a way that if anyone disagrees with them on their "read" on Korina, they'll be considered scum. So any attempt at casing Korina will be taken as anti-town and of course any voice against Korina's case would be pushed as such, regardless of intent or alignment.

This feels like VFP could possibly be scum with TMI on Korina.

If I had to guess right now.

mahimahi+ - WW
Flea - town
Raya36 - scum
TemporalLich - town
Guillotina - cultist
Korina - town
Almost50 - town
KidAmn - town
Nono - SK
samantha97 - town
CaptainS - scum
Vaxkiller - scum

How does he come up with a read on me as a Cultist if there is no guarantee or signs that there is such a role?
How possible is it that there is a cult leader role in a 13 players set up? Why would town worried about a slim chance that there is a cult leader when there is scum to catch?

VFP is also yet to explore all of those town reads. There is no way an uninformed town has so many town reads so early in the game.

my gut says that flea is hard null as 136 feels NAI

I'm not sure what would prompt Flea to lie there. But I think it was a

good town response

so far.

Possible TMI on Flea. Does he know Flea is town?

You sound more worried to if Korina is telling the truth there.

What Vaxkiller would be worried about exactly?

Well your guess would be wrong on me for a start

Okay I believe you.
Locktown

What? Locktown, just like that. Why? Why do you believe CaptainS? Someone whose first game here in THIS ONE!

[Unv]Korina[/unv]

100% town.

Why?

Tracker / watcher, those kind of investigations.
Make your picks purely around me.

Even if we have 5 doctors, all on me.

I offered this to town as well. Temporal sus me for it, yet you were not.

Fuck cultists, I hate playing as converter and much more being converted. If you plan to convert me, don't, I will out you with extremely bad cultist play.

This just scream cultis to me.

Why? At this point is when i noticed a prejudice attitude towards me. He had decided I was cultist on a read list before and here is how he starts pushing that narrative.

Guillotina actually roled anti town.
I'm impressed.

You shouldn't feel impressed about yourself because you are wrong.

Yeah, I'm basically confirmed tonight or I'm gone tomorrow.

Are you trying to bait visits upon you?

Do you townread Korina?

Yes, and so should you.
In Korina we believe! My vote sticks with Korina, not against.

Nice manipulation of my point

. And yes,

generally speaking

if you think someone is scum you try to elim them.

Thank you!
So we are agreed that there is

much of a reason to lim Korina as there is to lim you

.
That makes you look suspicious even more so.

If there is much of a reason to lim Korina as there is to lim Vaxkiller, why is Vaxkiller suspicious but Korina is not under that logic?
Because VFP is pocketing Korina!

Stop white knighting her and stop misrepresenting my reasons to scum read people, that's svummy. I scum read Korina because she is playing the exact same way i watched her play in our last game where she was scum.

So with meta only.
Your argument here is meta only.

Why are you voting who pushed the scum narrative anyway?
Did you forget who you were voting?

Unless i misunderstood, here he implies that we are not entitled to scum read a player who scum reads another player that we also scum read. As if wolves don't distance or buss others.

VFP, are you for real right now or just trolling me. Like im not sure if I should even respond to you, because it looks like you just fuckin with me trying to rile me up.

I'm 100% serious.

Your scum equity is going up with every post.

Are you telling me that scum would not push each other to distance themselves on Day 1?
Are you telling me that you didnt consider that Mahi and Korina could be scum read for independent reasons?
Ate you not aware thst there may or may not be different types of scum in this game?

Mahi is town and not scum.

I think you actually forgot who you were voting for though as you're scum.

You are dead set on Korina as scum and its suggested highly likely as cult leader if they are.

Why would you not be voting here if you didn't believe it?

Your push is fake. Your reasons are bad.

YOU ARE DEAD SET ON KORINA THAT SHE IS TOWN. HOW?!

I explained my reasons of why I think Korina could be wolf but you town read her and never gave any solid reasons. Also a reply to the sized up comment in VFP's quote:

I only have one vote and I scum read more than one person.

Oh look upon removing your wool i have discovered you bot pelt underneath.

How do you know Mahi is town?

How can you prove that i forgot i was voting for Mahi? If you cant prove it, it's a shade.

You accuse me of wolf reading Korina on just based meta, yet again you are town reading him based on meta, if my read on korina is invalid because of meta, how is yours not equally invalid then?

I dont know if my reasons are bad, im uninformed, but i do believe in them so dont dare to say that they are fake.

Because Mahi isn't in the Mafia team.

There's no other role they could have taken other than town.

I cant meta read Korina because I have never played with them.

My reason is for scum pushing for an easy lim using Meta

. I don't need to explain the difference, because you don't believe the scum push anyway.

But your argument here is if it can't be proven that you're lying even though it's obvious, it's not true?
Well my counter to that is I proved that you forgot who you were voting for, prove that I didn't or you claim scum.

Your reasons are uniformed that meta beats game? Well I'm telling you now, it's fake. And I'll uniform that all game.

1) How do you know Mahi isn't in a mafia team?

2) If you don't have meta on Korina, why do you assume he is an easy lim?

3) My argument is that you can't possibly know that i forgot unless you are a GODDAMN psychic!

1) How do you know Mahi isn't in a mafia team?
Not in the PT with me

2) If you don't have meta on Korina, why do you assume he is an easy lim?
Because the reasons giving is an easy lim with no throw back? Are you trying to say I have meta on Korina?

3) My argument is that you can't possibly know that i forgot unless you are a GODDAMN psychic!
Prove that I can't possible know that.

This guy is obvious scum, i actually feel bad for your team because you surely cannot blend in. Honestly all i have to do know is how people interact with you to find the other scum. I think Korina might not be scum for the way you white knighted her.

Why did upsized the sentences of the quote. I will tell you now.

I'm so glad that my team are killing you tonight, because you will know in 143

I mark out who is on my team pretty well.

Also, I believe that post as much as you believe your fake push on Mahi, Korina, and me today.

You saying you scum read Raya, CaptainS and Vaxkiller? is this what you meant?

Right now samantha commands me.

Scum leading the scum I guess.

If so, then what's the angle? That they plus Me, Flea and Samantha are scum to? For a total of 6 scum players in a 13 player set up?
How is this possible?

I had an 80% chance of getting town sry

I guess you got the 20% then?
Side note, Captain is probably town, just wrong town.

this is the first game where I have actually wanted to vote no lynch

This is actually one of the first posts I like from you.
But no,

we need a lim

here.

We need a lim? No, we need to lim scum, the way you are saying it here is that any lim is good and that mentality comes from anti-town parties.

Dude you need to learn to relax and not to shout lol

Out of all of that that you read and quoted, the only thing that you had to comment on is that I should chill? No insights? No comments? No nothing? REALLY?

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I gotta say that the spoilering system in this place leaves too much to be desired. There is no way you don't fuck up a spoiler within a spoiler here.

Let's continue

VOTE: Korina

My second favourite for the chop is
Guillotina just purely down to Day 1 actions.

Still an uneventful night in the Captain household.

What was so bad about my day 1 actions that you still can't let go. Please tell me. Cause everyone else that was pushing for my yeet except the outed cult leader and Mahi have town read me, because I've made efforts to solve. Everyone has a bad day right? Unlike you, that you are having a BAD GAME and no one is pushing you for it.
Looks like your wolf teammates are shielding you because you are not getting the heat that I got on Day 1, you are going through the days untouched. This is telling me that maybe your teammates are the ones "town leading", maybe.

If Vax flips Town then VFP is lying (about having tracked Vax to CaptainS) and we would have caught another anti-Town in VFP.

Wouldn't it make more sense to flip VFP. Less risk in losing a town tracker vs losing a town rolecop. Plus there's a good chance VFP is who Korina curled and that's why he defended Korina. I mean, why does a tracker even target Vax who was supposedly getting vigged by Korina. Doesn't make any sense.

One thing I've begin to learn that peoples actions and words rarely make sense.

But also could have done it simply because they didn't believe Korina would target Vax.

You know what is not making sense?

1) You not getting more heat for your scummy ways all game, but specially on Day 1.
2) You not contributing to game solving by day 3
3) You placing your vote on two different days on obvious town (me)

VOTE: CaptainS

[Guillotina]

Nope, Cap'n should absolute not claim.

Why no? In fact I thinking everyone should full claim.

eeeeh, what?

I'm like the only town person who has a role that helps town. like wtf?

do you know what other townies roles are to state that? I think you are overestimating yourself.

Now it just feels like you're rolefishing

VOTE: Vax

Vax: Asks directly for peoples roles.

Raya: Wow that kinda sounds like role fishing, ima vote you for that.

I agree. Asking directly or indirectly is role hunting.

I can claim my role because the groupscum already know it though

This is suspicious. Are you 100% sure Vax scum group? Are you not afraid you are wrong? Do you expect the rest of us to follow you? Because I won't.

[Guillotina]

I think there's a possible overlap in motive for vaxkiller and mahi pushing roleclaims

and I know everyone forgot, but mahi demonstrably lied about their role (they're some kind of deathproof, probably like 1-shot deathproof werewolf (I almost picked that))

there's no reason for a 1 shot deathproof to get roleclaims by fakeclaiming day 1 unless they're mafia

I assume one of the mafia members, likely not vaxkiller/mahi, has some sort of role that capitalizes off of knowing roles

or maybe they're just scared of the unknown

Mahi is obviously yeet proof and I can't believe Ircher would not veto a role that makes someone both yeetproof and NK immune, if that one exists.

[Guillotina]

VOTE: mahi mahi

Pointless, mahi mahi can't be yeeted.

[Guillotina]

@raya36 @TemporalLich @KidAmn

What are your opinions on CaptainS performance so far in this game?
What do you think about my case on him?

[Guillotina]

@raya36 @TemporalLich @KidAmn

What are your opinions on CaptainS performance so far in this game?
What do you think about my case on him?

I'm still not sold on you as town given the amount of chainsawing you've done, and your case on CaptainS seems to come down to active lurking and not giving a lot of rationale behind their actions, but I can't pretend it's not somewhat compelling.

VOTE: mahi mahi

Pointless, mahi mahi can't be yeeted.

How do we know they're 100% yeetproof and weren't pardoned or a 1-shot proof?

We don't, but do we wanna risk wasting another day yeeting him to find out? No! Mahi needs to get vigged!

(For the love of god (if you believe in one), if you are a vig, what are you waiting for?)

[Guillotina]

My case is waht I'm going to call the Korina case. Who chooses THAT.

Town doesnt choose un yeetable, scum does.

I agree. Unless you are a troll and you just like to choose un-fun roles because your notion of fun is to piss the rest of the townies off. There are people like that here.

[Guillotina]

Vax vote Guillotina with me

Have you forgotten his fake reaction to thinking he was hammered? That reaction never ever comes from town or someone reacting genuinely. He's acum with a guilty on him in my books, and my book is gold embroided with a hard cover and papyrus pages

-mahi

Lich... tell me with a straight face you think Guillo really thought he was hammered there

Vax may be scummy for other reasons but he's not 100% scum like Guillo is. I'll outline why it's so obvious when I have some time later

-mahi

You are outed scum! If anyone chooses to follow you on anything, we deserve to lose (except for your teammates, they can out themselves at any time).

[Guillotina]

Dude if there were 6 original anti-town entities here, the host scum sided with the restricted posting rules. Like it's frustrating how I have to wait to write a big wall post because I cannot out my thoughts on the go.


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@raya36 @TemporalLich @KidAmn

What are your opinions on CaptainS performance so far in this game?
What do you think about my case on him?

I'm still not sold on you as town given the amount of chainsawing you've done, and your case on CaptainS seems to come down to active lurking and not giving a lot of rationale behind their actions, but I can't pretend it's not somewhat compelling.

VOTE: mahi mahi

Pointless, mahi mahi can't be yeeted.

How do we know they're 100% yeetproof and weren't pardoned or a 1-shot proof?

What do you mean by chainsawing?

[Guillotina]

Dude if there were 6 original anti-town entities here, the host scum sided with the restricted posting rules. Like it's frustrating how I have to wait to write a big wall post because I cannot out my thoughts on the go.


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@raya36 @TemporalLich @KidAmn

What are your opinions on CaptainS performance so far in this game?
What do you think about my case on him?

I'm still not sold on you as town given the amount of chainsawing you've done, and your case on CaptainS seems to come down to active lurking and not giving a lot of rationale behind their actions, but I can't pretend it's not somewhat compelling.

VOTE: mahi mahi

Pointless, mahi mahi can't be yeeted.

How do we know they're 100% yeetproof and weren't pardoned or a 1-shot proof?

What do you mean by chainsawing?

I misspoke, it was more OMGUS: everyone who suspected you at one point or another D1 ended up in your SRs:

Scum team if VFP is actually town.

RAYA
mahimahi
temporal
KidAmn

Bad habit of getting those two mixed up.

That's not accurate. I had scum read them for independent reasons and if you care to read again my ISO you will find them. I was very detailed about them. I retracted three of those reads later but they were not OMGUS

And two. Town can OMGUS. OMGUS is a term made by scum for scum to discredit townies reactions to their scummy pushes. It is one thing if you OMGUS like captain did against me when he has not bothered to explain his scum read on me (because he can't, he knows im town) and another is my so called OMGUS which was a reaction to what seemed a scummy push that i fully followed up on.

[Guillotina]

Also @KidAmn, you casted suspicion on CaptainS on various occasions but you never committed to them with a vote. Why?

It looks suspicious because it looks like distancing. Im sorry if im wrong.

[Guillotina]

Oh look a person saying I am town. Funny that.

Killer mode activated.....how old are you 12? Jog on fella

So that is your best defense? A remark about my maturity because i use kickass TOAD mario gifs? Which is actually an attack on the player and not the play per se.

Oh actually... fuck. never mind.

They also said this.

You remain on my PoE.

[Guillotina]

Also @KidAmn, you casted suspicion on CaptainS on various occasions but you never committed to them with a vote. Why?

It looks suspicious because it looks like distancing. Im sorry if im wrong.

Day 1 we had Korina vs. Mahimahi, which I wanted to lynch in to sort what I repeatedly asserted I did not believe to be a TvT interaction, and therefore prioritised this over Captain who Day 1 looked like what they said they were: site newbie, getting used to how this site plays Mafia.
Day 2 we have the clusterfuck around Korina/VFP/Vax into the rather fast elim and Korina claiming shortly after the hammer. There were barely 200 posts between D2#VC1 and hammer. I personally got to make 3 posts in that time period, due to work commitments and timezones. In a hypothetical world where none of the Vax/VFD/Korina interaction happens, Captain is absolutely in the conversation for their continued active lurking.
Today, I haven't cast a vote yet. I don't tend to exactly throw my vote around haphazardly, and the voting history backs that up. Given their apparent lack of engagement with the gamestate and continued refusal to scumhunt, Captain is 100% in my PoE for today, as is mahi (proven liar on their claim) and to a lesser extent Vax (pushing for a fullclaim in a format notably resistant to it, as I've stated, only helps scum IMO). Flea is also a person of interest, regardless of how much faer crumbing, because it feels like a lot of noise and very little actual contribution, which sets off alarm bells in a GIUPick where, as previously stated, any role can realistically be any alignment.

If you want me to "put up or shut up" as the kids say, VOTE: CaptainS. While I remain sceptical of Vax, A50 is correct - Captain's 1243 is the culmination of a playstyle in this game that is indicative of a lack of intent to gamesolve and a lack of basic cognition of the gamestate that does not befit town.

There you go, welcome to my towncore.

[Guillotina]

CaptainS you still fail to explain those reads and in the other post you replied inside my quote which is why i failed to see it but that is just AtE man. Like I'm sorry that you got a stroke, im sorry that you can only type with one hand man, i truly am, that gotta suck man. But you signed up to this game where it's important to tell us where your reads come from.

You wasted time and energy telling us about your health condition, time that you could have used to give us reads, so see? You had time to post, but you refuse to contribute.

As for your list, your read on me is wrong and you keep pushing me because you think im an easy yeet but im not, scum knows they cant kill me without getting killed in the process too, so they are trying to find a way to get town to chop me but it ain't gonna happen because im obvious town, i got no agenda and i got no TMI.

My only mission is catch scum and win my first game as town while being alive.

[Guillotina]

Look. I'm tired and if ya'll really want to vote me up then do so. But it's a mistake. I ain't going to beg and say that it will ruin the game if i'm gone but I am going to say this.

I'm town. You don't know my playstyle. I've given you my backstory and I know Zero people on this site.

Guillo was happy voting people up with the way they acted in previous games and they voted them up in earlier days. I don't have that luxury. I just have my reads.

Guillo has gone a fatal attraction for me it seems. For what it's worth I'll give my opinion on what I think people are at the moment.

1. mahimahi : Scum
2. Flea the Magician : Town
3. Raya36 : Town
4. TemporalLich : Town
5. Guillotina : Scum or Neutral
6. Korina : Scum
7. Almost50 : Town
9. KidAmn : Town
11. samantha97 : Strong Town
12. CaptainS : Defo Town
13. Vaxkiller : ?

Obviously people will have different opinions on what they think etc but that's my thoughts. I'd be happy to go into why/who whatever but you'll have to be more specific with who/what and I'll answer whatever questions I can etc.

But for now I'm logging off and I'll be back on GMT a.m time. So I'm not lurking. Called sleeping and resting.

Korina is no longer in the game lol.

[Guillotina]

go on, i dare you, vote for us

waste another day and have ircher write us another beautiful saving grace invincible divine scene

but seriously, i promise we're town and we'll help win this game for us eventually. right now it just seems like there's a lot of... uncooperative people who may or may not be scum. hopefully they start killing each other at night

@Lich: can you give me a tldr on why Vax is scum based on NKA? link a previous explanation if required

-mahi

mahi, mahi, mahi, you're HELPING them?! don't you remember our contract?

- mahimahi

we're going to be in real trouble if we don't meet our vote quota, and you're risking it??

- mahimahi

Anyone know if mahi always play like this? Is he a riddler with riddles he always expect us to solve?

[Guillotina]

I forgot to explain why i townread Samantha on day 1.

I thought Samantha was town for playing along with me with my sheeping gambit. No scum would dare to play along with a player getting scumread by half of the playerlist and risk getting yeeted because of it. The lack of care in that play told me she gotta be town for that or scum with a lot lot lot of guts.

Still i wished she contributed more cause she will not ride on that townread forever.

[Guillotina]

@Lich: can you give me a tldr on why Vax is scum based on NKA? link a previous explanation if required

-mahi

Vax has claimed a role that can confirm someone's role and alignment and can't be fooled.

Vax is still alive and yet VFP (a cultist dolphin) is dead, which is an unusual night kill for scum as it benefits the Town at lot.

Vax refuses to out their results and instead resorts to rolefishing, despite being

claimed and out of shots

.

Yah ok. I saw the rolefishing myself. But Vax claimed targeting you, are you ok with him outing your role to prove he says who he says he is?

[Guillotina]

Still i wished she contributed more cause she will not ride on that townread forever.

reminder:

I'm mafia

Ok

VOTE: Samantha

[Guillotina]

I got a better idea actually

VOTE: CaptainS

[Guillotina]

I got a better idea actually

VOTE: CaptainS

how do ya square away mahimahi extracting roleclaims with a fakeclaim

I won’t waste another day trying to eliminate un unlyncher, if we can’t yeet that scum, we’ll yeet their teammates.
Doesn’t it make sense?

[Guillotina]

I won’t waste another day trying to eliminate un unlyncher, if we can’t yeet that scum, we’ll yeet their teammates.
Doesn’t it make sense?

not really cause vaxkiller didn't check them/no one else did who claimed anything

only way to check them is to go for round 2

And if cant get yeeted again we would have wasted another day and given scum another day to fulfill their wincon.

Let’s yeet CaptainS. Did you see my case? Do you think he has done anything to make us think he is town?

[Guillotina]

VOTE: mahimahi

CaptainS I'd wait on voting as I am pretty sure with effort CaptainS will look town.

mahimahi however is scum trying to distract us now.

You picked your own role templich. Are you sure you want me to post the number? Cause think about what im trying to do here.

Also I feel like I dont talk THAT much, but maybe I hit the post button alot.

New rule get a thumbs down from me. But hey, its an experimental rule....

yes, post the number. it's your main saving grace and if NKA implicates you at least be able to walk away with a clear.

and yeah I will have to post less.

What do you think he is trying to distract us from? If they are doing what they are doing is because they can’t be yeeted! They are distracting us to protect someone, either Vax or CaptainS.

Trust me i want mahi gone but i dont want to give them the satisfaction of yeeting him a second time and failing!

[Guillotina]

Well Vac. You got authorization from Temp. Go on!

[Guillotina]

have you not seen mahimahi's latest posts that just consist of "mahi"?

they might be trying to bait the elim again but I think mahimahi is a good elim

CaptainS I'd really wait for, and Guillotina is also a good elim but I feel guillo is getting townier

Bro, im not blind of course i see his spam (we get punished for triple posting but he can literally spam us to death without punishment, the fucking irony!) Also if you think im getting townier why am I good elimination then? That does not make sense.
If Mahimahi elevates again to the heavens I’m gonna be really fucking mad!

[Guillotina]

you're a strong SR but the trend is positive

regardless I'd still put you in the PoE guillo, but I'd rather vote someone who's scummy and not getting townier

Why am I still a strong SR?

Then vote CaptainS with me, sheep me on this one. Never mind, why would you sheep your strong scum read right? Ok so... Your PoE seems to be

Mahi
Vax
Me

How about Raya? Where did that suspicion go?
Any thoughts about A50 or KidAmn?

Has Vax successfully confirmed your number?

[Guillotina]

My PoE contains {mahimahi, Guillotina, Vaxkiller, CaptainS}

Raya's suspicion went away with the VFP flip.

A50 and KidAmn both feel Town to me, doesn't mean I don't want to wait for CaptainS to post what they promised to post in 1333 and 1337. I am willing to vote for CaptainS in case that doesn't happen however. However I still think CaptainS is scummy based on right now.

Vax posted my number in 1378, it is indeed my role.

VOTE: CaptainS

Solely a pressure vote, I really want CaptainS to post cases or at least some reasoning.

There you go. That's enough for me, some support on my pushes is nice.

Can you point out one post from each A50 and KidAmn that made you say, "yah! this gotta be town"?

[Guillotina]

wait frick I just realised 1323 and 1335 are contradictory in a little bit

though it is indicative of the rising trend I think CaptainS has.

KidAmn is town mostly because of an ISO skim and more general behavior, 1323 is probably the best post to encapsulate that however.

A50 is also towny in the same way (ISO skimming), 936 feels like the most shining post to me.

Do you realize that we almost have the same towncore and yet I'm a strong scum read of yours?

I say almost because:

Town reads

1)

A50

- For what I remember, I've felt good about the slot mostly. There are things here and there that makes me say "Ok...."

2)

Raya

I already explained, she had the chance to see my elimination through and didn't. If Raya is scum, she pocketed me for the rest of the game and she played against her own wincon and I'll thank her very much for being town's best scum aligned friend, because seriously, no scum is gonna do that for a townie.

3)

Samantha

I already explained as well. I also have meta of her, I hosted a game where she was considerably more involved in the game and she was scum. She is great at figuring out roles too, I'm a dumbass catching softs, if you don't post "I CLAIM THIS AND THAT", I will most likely miss your soft which is ironic because I soft and I expect other players to catch my softs and bread crumbs.
Anyways my point is that if she is scum, she's most likely figured out some roles now, she's most likely figured out my role by now and she is yet to push for my chop, so I'm comfortable around her, again, I just wished she contributed more.

4)

Town lean you (Temporal)

, although not gonna lie, my read on you fluctuates. It looks like you are one the biggest game runners here, you gotta have a lot of mechanical experience, so I don't get why you push for a chop on a Prince (mahi) when if you perform a search for Prince in the grand idea thread, you will find Prince that are totally immune to day eliminations the entire game such as:

viewtopic.php?p=11307495#p11307495

viewtopic.php?p=8342474#p8342474

So, even if Mahi was town (which I don't believe he is), scum would try to get them yeeted just to waste a day. Mahi, gotta be vigged! So, do you see my concern when people insist on attempting to yeet Mahi a second time?

I'm also tinfoiling about the possibility that both Vax and you could be a team doing scum theater with your claims but if this was the case, you'll deserve a fucking Oscar.

I lightly town lean

Vaxkiller

,mainly because of his role hunting earlier that is throwing me off, like is there ever motive for townies to do that?

KidAmn

, I agree with you that that post looks good for Kid, he also raised awareness on CaptainS scum equity and active lurking.

Neutrals

Flea is and always will be an enigma for me, I can't read them. When I get in the game thread, I go in believing they are town and if they are not, someone else will have to case them and push for their chop because I can't, they are a wild card like me but in addition, they can change their meta at will, like me.

Scum Reads

MahiMahi

CaptainS

But here is the thing, unless I got perfect reads in this game and scum are in the scum reads and neutral lists, there gotta be one or two that have pocketed me. So I need CaptainS elimination for clarity.

[Guillotina]

I mostly SR you because of the Korina push... which isn't warranted because Korina flipping flipped elite cult leader.

I also SR you because of the sheep performance, and this is still warranted. You actually voted NO ELIM ON DAY ONE because of this. I will not forget that. That's got to be the worst play on Day 1, and I've seen it happen in a NEWBIE GAME.

You're about as scum as someone I still keep in the PoE because other choices would make less sense (yes even Samantha).

Samantha is not a strong TR for me, samantha is what I consider null. Scum for that whole NO ELIM ON DAY ONE thing, but town for having near perfect reads and town mindset.

mahimahi is scummy and I don't want to risk eliminating an ungated Prince, CaptainS is scummy and I don't want to quickhammer

Huh? I didnt vote no elimination. My vote ended on mahi and my sheeping gambit aimed to generate reactions and it was successful.

[Guillotina]

You voted no elim in 583

And? My final vote was on mahi wtf?

[Guillotina]

VOTE: mahimahi

[Guillotina]

Yeah, it was mainly performance but no elim day 1 is still not a good idea

You have no reason to scum read me, my scum read on Korina was accurate and my vote ended on the Prince.
And if you look into my ISO you will see that i do not disagree that no elimination is a suboptimal play, hence why i ended my sheeping gambit and voted to yeet Mahi.

[Guillotina]

CaptainS you still fail to explain those reads and in the other post you replied inside my quote which is why i failed to see it but that is just AtE man. Like I'm sorry that you got a stroke, im sorry that you can only type with one hand man, i truly am, that gotta suck man. But you signed up to this game where it's important to tell us where your reads come from.

You wasted time and energy telling us about your health condition, time that you could have used to give us reads, so see? You had time to post, but you refuse to contribute.

As for your list, your read on me is wrong and you keep pushing me because you think im an easy yeet but im not, scum knows they cant kill me without getting killed in the process too, so they are trying to find a way to get town to chop me but it ain't gonna happen because im obvious town, i got no agenda and i got no TMI.

My only mission is catch scum and win my first game as town while being alive.

Excuse me wasted time. Well excuse me buddy but didn't you waste time telling us about a loved ones surgery issues.
I was merely giving background to me as you all know nothing about me. It's called providing context into my situation on which i even offered to send you the irl proof so show that it's not some made up bull. I don't consider that wasting time. The fact I'm telling you that i see it as it's important and relevant and quite frankly the way say that's wasted time and energy i've had enough of the past three years so you can either read it or not read it. I frankly don't care.

Typing with one hand. Try going through life with one hand. So that everything takes twice as long, you cant do certain things that requires two hands and quite frankly you find yourself thinking why me alot. Like this game for example. I'm thinking why have you got such a bone to pick with me.

So let's take apart every single one of your posts shall we.

You'll have to wait a bit, the incovenience of one hand and all that.

*Grabs the popcorn machine*

ok i missed/cant remember the health stuff you mentioned, and I wish you and loved ones a speedy recovery Captain.

Guill you know my health stuff from TLGIM, you know thats not a good thing to pick on.

Guys, you know me, read my post again and tell me where i picked on them for their health. I didnt, i just refused to accept that as part of the game because even though it is really unfortunate what he went through and is still going through, he decided to sign up to play a game with other competitors, so im playing against a slot, not the person. You never seen me commenting on anyone's health problems why? Because it's outside game info that shouldn't be considered to read someone.

Like, i got big health problems too both mental and physical and up until now i never mentioned it, because that is unfair for others and i want others to play with or against me the same way they'd play members without my health condition. I wanna be treated equally, i don't want the pity, the sympathy, or excuses that would prevent others from playing the game as they would if I was not in the game, i don't want special treatment and i dont want others to stop being the players they truly are because they might hurt me or offend me, that is why i only sign up when im prepared to play on equal grounds to others. So i got the moral authority to talk about this.

@CaptainS if you thought it was a personal attack, i apologies for making you feel bad but it was not. Trust me, it really was not.

[Guillotina]

4: Please remember to assume good faith of other players when it comes to their real life circumstances.

I appreciate the sentiment but publicly commenting on interactions between players, whether it reveals alignment or not (I always think it does), can affect how people perceive their slot/alter the flow of the game

This!

[Guillotina]

Since the host decided to inno child CaptainS, i will never be able to push him now that i know that what captain said is actually true.

I hard claim Post #9807 in the grand idea thread.

Yes. Im the mother of all vigilantes:

My night 1 target was Korina, i targeted him with a hand grenade, but instead of killing him i got the grenade back so I assume I was roleblocked cause i got the shot back. Before Korina i had submitted VFP and Temporal as targets too but i decided to trust Raya's townread on him and i had second thoughts on Temporal so idecided tomgive him another chance.


My night 2 target was CaptainS with a hand grenade which again i got it back. So there is either someone with an ability to roleblock the same target two nights in a row or I was roleblocked by two different players. (Or i bot vanillaized and i never got the warning).

Before him i had submitted Temporal Lich and Mahimahi, but I was afraid that my read on Temporal was wrong even though he pushed my strong townread (Raya) and for some reason i tinfoiled that mahimahi could be an independent whose win condition was to get night killed, like an unjester and i was not going to give him the pleasure, i figured if his win condition is to get night killed, i will take them to the end where he'll lose by surviving.
I thought about VFP and Vaxkiller but decided that i was heavily invested on VFP being scum so he being converted was too good to be true and Vax, even though i townread him, i thought about doing town a favor and resolve the slot for info but i changed my mind.

So i read CaptainS and i concluded he was scum and threw a hand grenade on him but i got it back, meh.

When i selected the role i thought i had the guts to really be irresponsible, i thought many times of just using the anti tank missile and kill my target and everyone that targeted them, but i thought about the probability of killing cops, doctors etc, so i realized right there that im not as crazy and irresponsible with power roles as i thought i would be. I always wanted a kill role and now that i have it, i feel so much pressure because my decisions could really play against our wincon or it could solve the game with an unlikely hero shot.
With great power comes great responsibility is so true, i will not choose a killer role again.

[Guillotina]

I assume I was roleblocked cause i got the shot back.

This does not happen.

Well i got the grenades back, explain that.

By the way. VOTE: Mahimahi
Now that my role is outed and will most likely die tonight, let's hope mahimahi is indeed an one shot Prince.

[Guillotina]

Guil I got ADHD and Chronic pain whuppin me and as per my signature my current meds are funky enough that I can't legally drive on them until I'm aware of how much they affect me.


Anyhoo, still happy with my vote.


@Captain: If you're looking for a specific users posts, you can click ISO on that users posts and there's a lil box at the bottom that lets you "Display posts by user:" if that helps you

Guill I'm not seeing the IC?

There is no IC announcement, but the host interference about CaptainS claims in the thread confirmed to me that CaptainS is telling the truth. I thought he was scum manipulating with a made up claim about his personal life but now that I know it is actually true, i can never ever push CaptainS again, in fact, i will never vote against CaptainS again, to me CaptainS is lock-town now.

[Guillotina]

Eh.

I was thinking the same angleshot, but it's far from a confirmation. DEF not lock town.

Lets move past it plz, usually frowned upon to talk about.

Ok, lets yeet Mahi then because I cannot guarantee I will get them tonight.

[Guillotina]

Long work day, too frazzled for much at the moment.

Intent to hammer

- Mahi, a claim that isn't a lie please.

He already softed prince which is confirmed by his flipless D1 elimination. We are hoping it is just a 1shot.

[Guillotina]

If mahi does not flip i will try to get him tonight or i might self target with the anti tank missile to kill myself and whoever target me so, you've been warned.

[Guillotina]

I assume I was roleblocked cause i got the shot back.

This does not happen.

I'm fine with a hammer, but plz be aware of this tomorrow. This does not happen, I only found one role that makes this happen, and it would really only make sense if samantha picked it, and they did not.

Possibly i missed something, but i searched refunded, refunding, refund, and only found 1 role that makes sense.

This bugs me because im hard town reading guil, but this is a glaring error, that I just dont want people to forget or look over:

SHOTS DO NOT GET REFUNDED. It has to be SOMEONE ELSES specific ability that SPECIFICLY mentions this.

So what? You think i willingly hard claimed my role without any pressure on me at all to make up something like that for what exactly? I got the grenades back, if that is not supposed to happen or im not supposed to get that info, don't blame me, blame the game's architect.

Also stop the rolefishing already! This is the first and last warning you get, townread or not.

[Guillotina]

Watch how scum are trying to change the game state towards casting suspicion on me for my claimed actions. They can't afford to let me live past the day, they fear me. (And they are right to fear me).

“What will Guillotina do? Will he target one of us? Or will he target himself trying to catch us attempting a night kill on him?”.

[youtube]https://youtu.be/0WTuAxpxHlg[/youtube]

[Guillotina]

Youtube code fail.

That was embarrassing

[Guillotina]

The grenade bounce has me scratching my head a bit. Just mainly because i don't know how actions are processed on here and how they are worded.

What are peoples thoughts on this in particular?

I don't see why scum!Guillo would claim that when it's uncommon to happen.

Basically if you were to target someone and your action fails (roleblocked for example), you don't get a retry. You just lose the shot.

Then what happened to be was not a roleblock.

What about commuters or alien actions?

[Guillotina]

You got me

Why does it confirm that?

Just my reads on his behaviour the fact it is so up and down. It's just inconsistent between good and bad town play. That's why I'm unsure on it and i feel my vote is best there at the moment. I am prepared to move it if other people are wannting the elim on somebody else.

Dude you got so much TMI, that i feel bad for your rand. Is this the first time you rand scum?

1) Inconsistency is town indicative because we are uninformed. Wolves try to be consistent to look towny bit that is how they out themselves.

2) “It's just inconsistent between good and bad

TOWN

play”. You know I'm town dude lol.

[Guillotina]

I'll claim I targeted CaptainS last night...


OOOOOO.

OOOOOOOOOOOOOOO.

but...

*deep thinking*

Guillo where's your fullclaim/hardclaim again?

That would be this one

Since the host decided to inno child CaptainS, i will never be able to push him now that i know that what captain said is actually true.

I hard claim Post #9807 in the grand idea thread.

Yes. Im the mother of all vigilantes:

My night 1 target was Korina, i targeted him with a hand grenade, but instead of killing him i got the grenade back so I assume I was roleblocked cause i got the shot back. Before Korina i had submitted VFP and Temporal as targets too but i decided to trust Raya's townread on him and i had second thoughts on Temporal so idecided tomgive him another chance.


My night 2 target was CaptainS with a hand grenade which again i got it back. So there is either someone with an ability to roleblock the same target two nights in a row or I was roleblocked by two different players. (Or i bot vanillaized and i never got the warning).

Before him i had submitted Temporal Lich and Mahimahi, but I was afraid that my read on Temporal was wrong even though he pushed my strong townread (Raya) and for some reason i tinfoiled that mahimahi could be an independent whose win condition was to get night killed, like an unjester and i was not going to give him the pleasure, i figured if his win condition is to get night killed, i will take them to the end where he'll lose by surviving.
I thought about VFP and Vaxkiller but decided that i was heavily invested on VFP being scum so he being converted was too good to be true and Vax, even though i townread him, i thought about doing town a favor and resolve the slot for info but i changed my mind.

So i read CaptainS and i concluded he was scum and threw a hand grenade on him but i got it back, meh.

When i selected the role i thought i had the guts to really be irresponsible, i thought many times of just using the anti tank missile and kill my target and everyone that targeted them, but i thought about the probability of killing cops, doctors etc, so i realized right there that im not as crazy and irresponsible with power roles as i thought i would be. I always wanted a kill role and now that i have it, i feel so much pressure because my decisions could really play against our wincon or it could solve the game with an unlikely hero shot.
With great power comes great responsibility is so true, i will not choose a killer role again.

Also Guillo whats your read on me currently

I got no read on you whatsoever, im letting you be.

[Guillotina]

Oh i think i know what's going on now.

Flea did you target Korina on night 1?

[Guillotina]

fuckin awesome and fair ^_^ Shall we proceed?

PEDIT: I did not.

Oh.. then i got no idea what's going on again. Meh

[Guillotina]

I'll claim I targeted CaptainS last night...


OOOOOO.

OOOOOOOOOOOOOOO.

but...

*deep thinking*

Guillo where's your fullclaim/hardclaim again?

fuckin awesome and fair ^_^ Shall we proceed?

PEDIT: I did not.

Oh.. then i got no idea what's going on again. Meh

I think I see it. Guillo, your hardclaim is

precisely

#9807, right? No alterations?

Correct, no alterations made by me.

[Guillotina]

Guillo, you have reason to believe someone else altered your role?

I dont know about directly alyering my role but ive been theorizing that if i was not roleblocked or commuted, then maybe there is someone with the ability to add modifiers to roles, because i dont believe a roleblocker or a jailkeeper or an alien can target me two night in a row but someone can visit me once to mess with my actions the rest of the game, maybe. This is just speculation

[Guillotina]

There is literally only 1 role that justifies your claims. If anyone wants to claim it..... plz do. Otherwise, this isnt good.

I agree, this isnt good for scum.

[Guillotina]

BANKAI!!!

Spoiler:

Spoilered animated GIF.
~Ircher

[Guillotina]

Their claim?

I didn't even know we were waiting.

We are waiting for Temporal or KidAmn to hammer like they announced it several hours ago.

[Guillotina]

yeah but I don't want to quickhammer like yesterday

Take your time, we know scum love us building up apathy the longer we wait.

[Guillotina]

alright, let me explain:

we fakeclaimed town guesser because it's extremely useful in getting players to spew alignments, and that information is far more useful than the expense of any "rolefishing" that might occur which scum can use

We got two vital pieces of information from the claim:
-vfp was town since they were instantly willing to claim to be checked
-guillotina is not town because they were terrified to claim and would not under any circumstances, even when out to L-1 with intent

also it was funny and having the knowledge that it's literally impossible for us to be executed made us want to do fun and stupid gambits

regardless, it's impossible for us to be excuted and i'm not elaborating on it beyond that to give scum any information. it'd be a waste of another day to vote us, as funny as that would be, and Ircher will probably get mad at us if we play against wincon too much since we are technically town

-mahi

Mahi is either a troll, a noob or just scum. His reason for scum reading me is narrow minded, i of course was against claiming because i got a motherload role far more important than yours for town that i wanted to use uninterruptedly, except i got interrupted anyways.
You cant say people are scum because they dont do your bidding or they dont play along with your plan, specially when your role fishing plan sucks big time for town.

Let's yeet this duet already, i cant believe we have to yeet him a second time but mark my words that if you dont die to our axe, you will die to my missile or i will die trying.

[Guillotina]

we are

technically town

-mahi

Third parties are not town, third parties, werewolves, mafia, aliens, all are scum to us. Dont get it twisted, you are either town aligned or you are not, there is no technically.

[Guillotina]

I got the grenade back again. Whoever is doing this, you suck.

[Guillotina]

the prince is unyeetable and his partner blocks actions. We never had a chance.
Screw this game

[Guillotina]

Sounds like a weird version of a redirector

A redirector? what? What makes you think is a redirector? hmm?

A redirector does not block actions. I got my grenade back, it means i either got blocked or commuted/Jailkept/Aliened etc, or my targets were.

[Guillotina]

Sounds like a weird version of a redirector

A redirector? what? What makes you think is a redirector? hmm?

A redirector does not block actions. I got my grenade back, it means i either got blocked or commuted/Jailkept/Aliened etc, or my targets were.

And this case I don't think my target was because I did the test and I targeted someone I never hinted and I still got my grenade back, so they are targeting me for sure.

[Guillotina]

Samantha and Flea said they were targeting each other. Did you actually do it?

[Guillotina]

Because it's not a roleblocker, well at least not standard like Temp says. I think I'm being Kidnapped/Aliened those roles prevent actions from the target so when the targets attempt their action, it just does not attempt it and you get the action back if it's a shot.
What is a terrible design is that it can target the same person multiple nights in a row, that is nuts.

[Guillotina]

This gives me an idea for the next grand idea mafia I sign up to:

Just choose vanilla for the town roles and make scum believe you are a power role so they waste their actions on you.