MT 2203: Grand Idea Upick: Awakening [Endgame]

[mahimahi]

Yeah lol

-mahi

[Raya36]

I honestly just think Mahi vs Korina is a TvT fight

Are you in the "cultfia" with them? (one of the many roles by korina)

No but I kinda wish. Saying I hated cult last game was a lie. I actually do enjoy it

[mahimahi]

Alright, so since I can see this town randomly voting us out and there's utility to claim this, here's our role:

Town Guesser

Each night, may submit 2

Guesses

of the exact roles of two separate players.
You will be told if 0, 1, or both of your guesses are correct. You will not be told which guess is correct for the case you get 1 correct.
You may not submit a guess for the same player more than once in the game.
For each correct guess, you receive a

One-Shot Doctor Heal.

Heals can be stacked, and multiple can be used in the same night along with the guesses.
You may self-target with a heal no more than once during the game.

We'll check Korina tonight (if we don't execute them), and one other volunteer who'd like to be confirmed

If you're okay with claiming and being confirmed, link us your role from the Grand Idee Thread

-mahi

[mahimahi]

It might be better to just try and check two town to get two confirms though, getting 1 guilty in a pool of 2 is less useful

-mahi

[VFP]

We'll check Korina tonight (if we don't execute them), and one other volunteer who'd like to be confirmed

Me me

[samantha97]

what is a doctor heal

[VFP]

You will know my role tonight, I'll be confirmed.

[mahimahi]

Doctor heal is protecting someone in the night to block a kill

I'm already like 90% sure you're town, VFP, based on your initial claim, so it might be worth confirming 2 others instead

-mahi

[mahimahi]

VOLUNTEERS COME FORTH

-mahi

[Flea The Magician]

Spoiler: But, behind my enemies eyes

TemporalLich, did you handpick the roles for this game or randomise them?
-mahi

wat.

I also don't believe their night kill immune miller vig claim at all, there's no reason to claim it if they are one

I don't know if meta has changed as it's been some years since I played a game here with a miller, but I was under the impression a miller's first post should always be a claim and they should expect to be removed from the equation by town well before a MyLo/LyLo situation.
If that is still the case, that does make the dancing around it for several posts and (entirely on-brand, regardless of alignment) complaint about not getting a cult role

again

a little strange.

PEdit: No such thing as too bastard in a UPick, as I learned in Korina's very own iteration.

Yup, Millers should insta claim and accept they wont see end game, problem is, Korina has a habit of fakeclaiming apparently.

Isn't Korina some cult addict who picks the most broken cult role possible that Ircher will let them play?

I fond it really strange they're lying about their pick, they could just be cult here

Also, I changed my mind; I'll be in the blue door tonight. Unless mahimahi switches us back.

-mahi

Sounds like you need a hand.

VOTE: Korina

mahimahi is town, or at least acting like town at the moment, and yea, korina is lying.

Grabs the popcorn machine and starts it running

VOTE: Korina

mahimahi is town, or at least acting like town at the moment, and yea, korina is lying.

100% Look at the hashtags in their sig lol

They join every cult game that enters the micro queue or soemthing like that

-mahi

Hmmm you definitely lost ya cute factor.

Korina is mafia/werewolf/cult who felt the need to lie about their cult pick to downplay it's power level and to not have us fear the possibility of them getting cult

Korina's made like 153774739 cult roles in the grand idea thread and 90% of them are better than a boring 1-shot deathproof cult leader

-mahi

Drop. Drop it. Let Korinas ankle go. Drop!

Does anyone want to claim now for some Vax points?

... ...
... Have I reached the point of chaos and insanty where I'M THE ONLY DAMNED SANE ONE?!

viewtopic.php?f=5&t=59348&user_select%5 ... &start=200

Just read this

Are you seriously telling me Korina picks 1-shot deathproof cult leader over the busted cult roles they've come up with? Like, you can find stuff in there like ELITE CULT LEADER THAT LITERALLY CANNOT DIE BY ANY MEANS UNTIL DAY 4 AND CAN RECEUIT 2 PLAYERS PER NIGHT or something like that, and cultmafia roles which combine the mafia and cult factions and other ridiculous busted things

-mahi

Mod had final say on roles, you know that right. Any that were overbroken or just not fun were getting veto'd.
This is a bad push Mahi, and your paranoia here is way beyond what I'd expect...

Spoiler: Sending disguise...

Okay, cool. Korina doubling down on it rather than coming clean is a scumclaim

You pick any of these cult leaders over your claimed one, Korina:

Day 1-3 Actual Deathproof Cult Leader

This role literally cannot die in any way, shape, or form until Day 4.

Ask Korina for a Cult-Aligned Role

Literally PM Korina and ask them for a cult role. Use whatever he says.

KCC is in effect for this role.

Motivated Actually Deathproof D4 Cult Leader

Can target two people each night, cannot be killed whatsoever until D4. Normal cult leader.

Strongwilled Alignment-Change-Immune Cult Leader

Ability cannot be prevented, nor prevented.
This player’s faction cannot be changed in any way, shape, or form, except through a modkill. This effect takes place as soon as the role is rolled.

-mahi

Mahi what are you smoking?
This is a MINI...
Day-1 to 3 DEATHPROOF wouldnt be allowed because that forces Korina into MYLO/YOLO

Ask Korina and use that, hey this is a uPick WE ALREADY DID.

Cannot be killed until N4, that's just claiming the win - itwould be veto'd probably.

Alignment change immune? I'd choose Korinas current over this.

First gets rejected. Second I’d sent back deathproof elite cl, which probably gets rejected. Third gets rejected. Fourth is plausible, but I don’t wanna die n1 to a nk, so fear of that makes me pick actual deathproof.

See

All hypotheticals of what'd get rejected. You expect me to believe our cult loving fanatic doesn't even

try

to submit these and see what happens?

Naaaaah

-mahi

This is ugly. You went from cute and fluffy puppy to the weird ass sinewy hellhound.

VOTE: mahimahi

If this isn’t killed today, I shoot them tonight. There is no discussion on this IMO.
I submit Elite CL and pray for a doctor cult, or Deathproof and pray I get ignored. I don’t ever submit an OP role like that because I know for a fact Ircher will deny it. I designed those roles solely to be broken.

I actually fully agree here. Paranoia driven wagons this early are usually absolute garbage and this one is above and beyond.

Spoiler: Not only lies...

I'm not sure I agree 100% with this being TvT, but we still have 1 player left to post and regardless of Ircher's minimum limit we shouldn't rush into anything as yet.

100% not TvsT, Mahi is pushing so much paranoid BS you can feel the fear. Then the "oh noes scumz need to help us!" I don't buy it, honestly.

(More fear mongering)

-mahi

(more dog poop)
-Flea

If I keep you alive do you promise to recruit me if you're cult?

I’m only immune at night, not at day, so you *have* to be lying.

Pedit: yes

[Unv]Korina[/unv]

100% town.

WHAT am i reading? New levels of open-culting

yeah I don't Korina

that

well, but I'm pretty sure they wouldn't be this obvious if they were.

Spoiler: We live to fight the hand of doom!

You will know my role tonight, I'll be confirmed.

Deary, Our Concern here is you may be firing a little prematurely....

VOTE: Vaxkiller for 168
VOTE: Mahi for 184

[mahimahi]

the mahi is a way of life, you wouldn't get it, flea. many have tried to comprehend the mahi of the mahimahi, but it is simply beyond human comprehension

-mahi

[mahimahi]

oh, you're apparently caught up completely, wily sorcerer. no thoughts on our claim?

-mahi

[Korina]

Alright, so since I can see this town randomly voting us out and there's utility to claim this, here's our role:

Town Guesser

Each night, may submit 2

Guesses

of the exact roles of two separate players.
You will be told if 0, 1, or both of your guesses are correct. You will not be told which guess is correct for the case you get 1 correct.
You may not submit a guess for the same player more than once in the game.
For each correct guess, you receive a

One-Shot Doctor Heal.

Heals can be stacked, and multiple can be used in the same night along with the guesses.
You may self-target with a heal no more than once during the game.

We'll check Korina tonight (if we don't execute them), and one other volunteer who'd like to be confirmed

If you're okay with claiming and being confirmed, link us your role from the Grand Idee Thread

-mahi

I highly doubt this, considering you faked a dayvig thus far, and constantly trying to push me when you could clear me tonight. You die today. If you’re town, sorry.

[Vaxkiller]

Spoiler: But, behind my enemies eyes

TemporalLich, did you handpick the roles for this game or randomise them?
-mahi

wat.

I also don't believe their night kill immune miller vig claim at all, there's no reason to claim it if they are one

I don't know if meta has changed as it's been some years since I played a game here with a miller, but I was under the impression a miller's first post should always be a claim and they should expect to be removed from the equation by town well before a MyLo/LyLo situation.
If that is still the case, that does make the dancing around it for several posts and (entirely on-brand, regardless of alignment) complaint about not getting a cult role

again

a little strange.

PEdit: No such thing as too bastard in a UPick, as I learned in Korina's very own iteration.

Yup, Millers should insta claim and accept they wont see end game, problem is, Korina has a habit of fakeclaiming apparently.

Isn't Korina some cult addict who picks the most broken cult role possible that Ircher will let them play?

I fond it really strange they're lying about their pick, they could just be cult here

Also, I changed my mind; I'll be in the blue door tonight. Unless mahimahi switches us back.

-mahi

Sounds like you need a hand.

VOTE: Korina

mahimahi is town, or at least acting like town at the moment, and yea, korina is lying.

Grabs the popcorn machine and starts it running

VOTE: Korina

mahimahi is town, or at least acting like town at the moment, and yea, korina is lying.

100% Look at the hashtags in their sig lol

They join every cult game that enters the micro queue or soemthing like that

-mahi

Hmmm you definitely lost ya cute factor.

Korina is mafia/werewolf/cult who felt the need to lie about their cult pick to downplay it's power level and to not have us fear the possibility of them getting cult

Korina's made like 153774739 cult roles in the grand idea thread and 90% of them are better than a boring 1-shot deathproof cult leader

-mahi

Drop. Drop it. Let Korinas ankle go. Drop!

Does anyone want to claim now for some Vax points?

... ...
... Have I reached the point of chaos and insanty where I'M THE ONLY DAMNED SANE ONE?!

viewtopic.php?f=5&t=59348&user_select%5 ... &start=200

Just read this

Are you seriously telling me Korina picks 1-shot deathproof cult leader over the busted cult roles they've come up with? Like, you can find stuff in there like ELITE CULT LEADER THAT LITERALLY CANNOT DIE BY ANY MEANS UNTIL DAY 4 AND CAN RECEUIT 2 PLAYERS PER NIGHT or something like that, and cultmafia roles which combine the mafia and cult factions and other ridiculous busted things

-mahi

Mod had final say on roles, you know that right. Any that were overbroken or just not fun were getting veto'd.
This is a bad push Mahi, and your paranoia here is way beyond what I'd expect...

Spoiler: Sending disguise...

Okay, cool. Korina doubling down on it rather than coming clean is a scumclaim

You pick any of these cult leaders over your claimed one, Korina:

Day 1-3 Actual Deathproof Cult Leader

This role literally cannot die in any way, shape, or form until Day 4.

Ask Korina for a Cult-Aligned Role

Literally PM Korina and ask them for a cult role. Use whatever he says.

KCC is in effect for this role.

Motivated Actually Deathproof D4 Cult Leader

Can target two people each night, cannot be killed whatsoever until D4. Normal cult leader.

Strongwilled Alignment-Change-Immune Cult Leader

Ability cannot be prevented, nor prevented.
This player’s faction cannot be changed in any way, shape, or form, except through a modkill. This effect takes place as soon as the role is rolled.

-mahi

Mahi what are you smoking?
This is a MINI...
Day-1 to 3 DEATHPROOF wouldnt be allowed because that forces Korina into MYLO/YOLO

Ask Korina and use that, hey this is a uPick WE ALREADY DID.

Cannot be killed until N4, that's just claiming the win - itwould be veto'd probably.

Alignment change immune? I'd choose Korinas current over this.

First gets rejected. Second I’d sent back deathproof elite cl, which probably gets rejected. Third gets rejected. Fourth is plausible, but I don’t wanna die n1 to a nk, so fear of that makes me pick actual deathproof.

See

All hypotheticals of what'd get rejected. You expect me to believe our cult loving fanatic doesn't even

try

to submit these and see what happens?

Naaaaah

-mahi

This is ugly. You went from cute and fluffy puppy to the weird ass sinewy hellhound.

VOTE: mahimahi

If this isn’t killed today, I shoot them tonight. There is no discussion on this IMO.
I submit Elite CL and pray for a doctor cult, or Deathproof and pray I get ignored. I don’t ever submit an OP role like that because I know for a fact Ircher will deny it. I designed those roles solely to be broken.

I actually fully agree here. Paranoia driven wagons this early are usually absolute garbage and this one is above and beyond.

Spoiler: Not only lies...

I'm not sure I agree 100% with this being TvT, but we still have 1 player left to post and regardless of Ircher's minimum limit we shouldn't rush into anything as yet.

100% not TvsT, Mahi is pushing so much paranoid BS you can feel the fear. Then the "oh noes scumz need to help us!" I don't buy it, honestly.

(More fear mongering)

-mahi

(more dog poop)
-Flea

If I keep you alive do you promise to recruit me if you're cult?

I’m only immune at night, not at day, so you *have* to be lying.

Pedit: yes

[Unv]Korina[/unv]

100% town.

WHAT am i reading? New levels of open-culting

yeah I don't Korina

that

well, but I'm pretty sure they wouldn't be this obvious if they were.

Spoiler: We live to fight the hand of doom!

You will know my role tonight, I'll be confirmed.

Deary, Our Concern here is you may be firing a little prematurely....

VOTE: Vaxkiller for 168
VOTE: Mahi for 184

You appear to be voting myself and mahi for things you don't like, but not for things that are scummy.

[Vaxkiller]

Yea i really don't like the fake claim. This one wasnt very organic.

[mahimahi]

i'd rather push you to die over checking you when i'm 95% sure you're scum or cult, korina

there was once a mahi who entered the flames,
it came out stronger, its head drooped in shame,
but then a mahi approached and laid down it's fin,
and all was right again, with their loving ole kin

-mahi

[mahimahi]

Yea i really don't like the fake claim. This one wasnt very organic.

Town Guesser is 100% our actual role and this isn't a fakeclaim

If two people roleclaim to us, we will be able to check and confirm them if they're telling the truth

The dayvig was a reaction test and to get us out of RVS, but this is actually our role

-mahi

[Raya36]

Alright, so since I can see this town randomly voting us out and there's utility to claim this, here's our role:

Town Guesser

Each night, may submit 2

Guesses

of the exact roles of two separate players.
You will be told if 0, 1, or both of your guesses are correct. You will not be told which guess is correct for the case you get 1 correct.
You may not submit a guess for the same player more than once in the game.
For each correct guess, you receive a

One-Shot Doctor Heal.

Heals can be stacked, and multiple can be used in the same night along with the guesses.
You may self-target with a heal no more than once during the game.

We'll check Korina tonight (if we don't execute them), and one other volunteer who'd like to be confirmed

If you're okay with claiming and being confirmed, link us your role from the Grand Idee Thread

-mahi

Don't know what to think of this. This is a bold way to role hunt if you're scum.

I do have a concern. If you have a way to confirm if Korina is lying or not you wouldn't rush to the conclusion that they're scum and must be eliminated. You have the ability to confirm their claim so why would you push for an elimination. If I had this role I would keep quiet, guess Korina's role, and put some random obviously not correct guess for another player.

[Vaxkiller]

The reaction test went on too long, or did I miss a post from earlier?

[Vaxkiller]

Don't know what to think of this. This is a bold way to role hunt if you're scum.

@raya,

That's where im at. If they are scum, and it's a fake claim, the person on the OTHER end will know if they are lying eventually.


So I'm leaning town I guess.

[KidAmn]

Jesus christ, how many fucking claims and softclaims and re-claims and Claim//Fame are we going to see before 10 pages? What the shitting fuck.

This mahi claim was about as organic as a Big Mac and way too convenient. "Oh, I can confirm 2 people's roles AND turn into a 2-shot Doctor after just claim for me teehee" after claiming and going so far as to (presumably, assuming Korina is truthful which again is a GIANT leap) fake a dayvig as well? To reiterate:

jesus frakking christ

.

[KidAmn]

Jesus christ, how many fucking claims and softclaims and re-claims and Claim//Fame are we going to see before 10 pages? What the shitting fuck.

This mahi claim was about as organic as a Big Mac and way too convenient. "Oh, I can confirm 2 people's roles AND turn into a 2-shot Doctor after just claim for me teehee" after claiming and going so far as to (presumably, assuming Korina is truthful which again is a GIANT leap) fake a dayvig as well? To reiterate:

jesus frakking christ

.

[mahimahi]

@Vax:

so are you committing to not being a dayvig then? also even if korina wanted cult, they only had a 15% chance of getting it

if they wanted to maximize their chances at cult they'd pick town/mafia analogues

but I believe them that they went for broken unkillable roles for all 3

Yes, fine, we're not a dayvig. We picked someone who'd already claimed to stop any unnecessary claims from happening and to get us out of RVS

-mahi

@Raya: I'm not exaggerating when I say I'm very sure that Korina is scum/cult. I know all about Korina's cult obsessions and they've 100% lied this game

@Ircher: Keep up the great work, you're the best

-mahi

[Raya36]

Don't know what to think of this. This is a bold way to role hunt if you're scum.

@raya,

That's where im at. If they are scum, and it's a fake claim, the person on the OTHER end will know if they are lying eventually.


So I'm leaning town I guess.

Their play does not line up with their role at all. If they think someone who claimed their exact role is scum this is the exact perfect opportunity to get a guilty on that player. They may never get this opportunity again because the people they think are scum might not claim anything to be checked. If there role is true then they should absolutely not have said anything, checked Korina how I suggested, then looked for someone else to push because they can resolve Korina by the next day.

[mahimahi]

teehee

The way you'd play it is different to how I'd, Raya. Like I said, I'm very sure Korina is scum, I'd rather check someone I'm unsure about

-mahi