TemporalLich's Grand Idea [Game Over]

[Bell]

Also, why not guillotina?

@Pooky, no. I just figure that for whatever reason none of the teams seems to care much who flips as long as it's not them.

Pretty much when DSJ was becoming kind of obvious town no scum were like, hold up, suddenly I want to hunt for aliens/werewolves/ur mom etc.

[Bell]

This is a really strange game because stronger players aren't putting any thought into their eliminations. I am still trying to figure out what was happening with Disney Princess.

[Bell]

gullo has at least pretended to be town

im not losing to some lurker scumbag who's popped in like 5 times to say 3 words

This implies losing to a lurker is worse than losing to a not lurker. But that's not really something I particularly mind in a game like this one.

[Bell]

It was always a meme game

Though I do legitimately think Nacho thought I was scum

Gramps is off his rocker sometimes

Maybe you tripped a scum tell and they just didn't feel like sharing.
I baselessly defend people. I charge by the hour, why do you ask?

[Bell]

Why should I sheep you when I don't think I've ever seen you lead a wagon on scum.

Also their posts seem fine? I iso'd them.

[Bell]

I mean in any game I've played with you. Total.

[Bell]

It's not harsh. I just keep count.
And there's nothing wrong with not being right.

[Bell]

Death curse, that matrix game, uhh
is that it so far? I think that's it so far. But I might be misremembering.
Though I do think it's fair to point out that you don't really bus much so even if you were scum, you wouldn't be voting your buddy.

Also, I'm kind of dumb founded when I think about it that Unwnd has gotten 3 results in a row on three players and all of them are NOT town and he doesn't realize that they're actually all town if he's town.
Why did you even check Magnus like, at all.

[Bell]

one thing, am thinking right now, korina isn't town
why? because sam must have used her shot on him after he claimed self aligned survivor
from the numbers, it didn't work (14-3 dead),, shot was refunded etc etc, meaning it's group scum

Day 1 Flavor

As the green sun rises, something in the distance is lurking. The Great City is not safe. The crystal dragons and other denizens are bracing for an incursion on their realm. A strange transmission indicates that there are a baker's dozen and one defenders of the Great City.

Day 1 has begun!

There are 14 Town-aligned players alive.

VC 1.0

Not voting: Nono, Raya36, Jake The Wolfie, Vaxkiller, Cook, Flea The Magician, Toogeloo, Guillotina, Bell, dsjstr, Angry Birds, NDMath, Hayker, PookyTheMagicalBear, samantha97, Particularly Stupid, Magnus V, unwnd, Disney Princesses, Rebel Radio, Korina

With 21 alive it takes greater than 10.5 to exile.

Day 1 will end in (expired on 2021-02-26 16:00:00) or when an exile is reached.

Korina is V/LA until Monday.

Day 2 Flavor

The blue sun shines on the realm with the force of a million blue suns (recursively). The dazzling light proves to coat the realm in an eerie blue glow and also make it hot for some reason. Another of those weird transmissions comes out, now indicating only oneteen defenders of the city exist.

Rebel Radio has died during the night. They were

PookyTheMagicalBear

Spoiler: Rebel Radio

TemporalLich's Grand Idea

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Welcome, Rebel Radio! You are

PookyTheMagicalBear

, aligned with the

Town

.

Abilities:
• You may name yourself anything during Pregame, but this does not have any effect beyond giving yourself a name.

Win Condition:

•

You win when there are no longer any threats to the

Town

, and at least one

Townie

is still alive.

Please confirm this Role PM by replying with your role and alignment.

Cook has died during the night. He was a

Town Collector

Spoiler: Cook

TemporalLich's Grand Idea

__________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________

Welcome, Cook! You are a

Town Collector

, aligned with the

Town

.

Abilities:
• Every time someone dies you will gain their role abilities.
• You may use as many role abilities as you have each night and day (if applicable).
• If you gain an x-shot ability, you have as many shots left as that player had when they died.
• You also gain passive abilities.

Win Condition:

•

You win when there are no longer any threats to the

Town

, and at least one

Townie

is still alive.

Please confirm this Role PM by replying with your role and alignment.

samanatha97 has died during the night. They were a

Player-selected role with a twist

turned

1-Shot Recharging Townizer

Spoiler: samantha97 (old)

TemporalLich's Grand Idea

__________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________

Welcome, samantha97! You are a

Player-selected role with a twist

, with an indeterminate alignment.

Abilities:
• The player who gets this can create whatever role they want for themselves, but they must post it in the Grand Idea Mafia thread before the game starts.
• A role that is either completely game-breaking or unfun will be vetoed.
• If your chosen role is vetoed or you fail to pick your role before the game starts you will be notified of this and turned into a

Vanilla Townie

.

Win Condition:
• Your win condition is dependent on the alignment you have posted in the Grand Idea Mafia thread.

Please confirm this Role PM by replying with your role and alignment.

Spoiler: samantha97 (new)

TemporalLich's Grand Idea

__________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________

Welcome, samantha97! You are now a

1-Shot Recharging Townizer

, aligned with the

Town

.

Abilities:
• Once per night you may target another player and attempt to change their alignment to 'Town'. Targeting a player aligned with the town, or a member of an informed faction with more than 1 member alive, will result in the ability failing. If successful, that player will retain their role abilities. You will be notified the next day if your ability fails for any reason, and your 'shot' will be recharged.

Win Condition:

•

You win when there are no longer any threats to the

Town

, and at least one

Townie

is still alive.

Please confirm this Role PM by replying with your role and alignment.

Day 2 has begun!

There are 11 Town-aligned players alive.

VC 2.0

Not voting: Nono, Raya36, Jake The Wolfie, Vaxkiller, Flea The Magician, Toogeloo, Guillotina, Bell, dsjstr, Angry Birds, NDMath, PookyTheMagicalBear, Particularly Stupid, Magnus V, unwnd, Disney Princesses, Korina

With 17 alive it takes greater than 8.5 to exile.

Day 2 will end in (expired on 2021-03-03 16:20:00) or when an exile is reached.

Flea The Magician is V/LA indefinitely.

Oh shit.

[Bell]

UNVOTE:

[Bell]

I cheked the number and we went from -8 to -5.

Also, Korina.
That might be the silliest thing I've literally ever heard.

A cult guy not culting?
Where's the fun in that.

[Bell]

WHERE'S THE FUN IN THAT.

IT'S LIKE BEING GIVEN A DEATHRAY AND THEN NEVER USING IT.
NO ONE IS THAT DEAD INSIDE.

[Bell]

Shouldn't we wait for their mason buddy to claim?

[Bell]

Bro.
While I thought you were telling the truth about being a survivor.
I never believed your chat restriction was real. I don't think anyone did.

[Bell]

Also, I was fooled by your play and didn't pay attention to Sam's clever use of an investigate to get a result no matter what you were.
I'm sure she was real thrilled watching you skate by for multiple days in the dead PT.

[Bell]

@unwnd, plz don't do that. It's rude.

[Bell]

Hey, maybe now that we know there isn't a cult someone can shoot me now.

[Bell]

I like that song.

[Bell]

Oh shit it's 8 pm and I also have work tomorrow.
Must suck to be on the east coast right about now.

[Bell]

Lol, it's still twilight.

[Bell]

3 town and 4 not town.

Also, that's nice that magnus flipped too so we know he wasn't sane now.

[Bell]

Mass claim please and thank you.

[Bell]

Oh shit.

Ndmath, Pooky, and Nono has to have at least one scum in it. That's tough.

[Bell]

I want to apologize out of habit but what should I be saying sorry for? It's important that I know what I should be sorry about before saying I'm sorry.

[Bell]

you said i suck at wagoning scum u turd

Who were you even voting last day phase?

[Bell]

You were voting Nono before he killed Korina single handedly.

[Bell]

It is pretty non-agenday of you to just immediately vote Korina though.

So I shall announce the following:

I'm sorry. I thought Disney Princess was scum. I thought Korina was a 3P turned town and thought there was a cult when there does not appear to be one.
I voted Pooky who is at the very least, not mafia with Korina.

I think that's all I have to say sorry for.
So far.

[Bell]

Did flea ever give out who they investigated btw?

[Bell]

If I apologize to you and you're actually a 3p or scum then I'll seem stupid.

Can't I apologize after the game ends.

[Bell]

Shouldn't we just instantly kill guilotina.

[Bell]

Is it smarter to do that or wait for mass claim to see if our situation is salvagable?

[Bell]

r u fucking serious dude the scum will team up and vote us out

Pooky,
plz.

I can see you rolling your eyes.

[Bell]

VOTE: Guilotina

[Bell]

We can get the other people to mass claim while we're in twilight.

[Bell]

Unless Guilotina is the twilight person.

In which case.
This was the best vote I've ever made in my life.

[Bell]

Mostly I'm just sad that NDmath wasn't town. Like he told me he was.
What a betrayer.
He even kind of tried in our PT.

[Bell]

I don't think Guilotina is sided with NDMath btw.

ND wanted to elim Guilotina 2 game days ago.

[Bell]

It sure would be nice if we just killed the twilight extender.

[Bell]

Goddamnit.

[Bell]

Well see ya'll in 5 days.

[Bell]

@Everyone if you don't claim during twilight we're eliminating you first next game phase.

Except Nono.
They get a pass.
And Pooky in lieu of an apology.

[Bell]

bad luck, but he could still be it,, still not flipped so powers might still be in effect
hopeful, but it's all i have

don't understand bell, if he agrees with the/my solve
i, for one, don't see any other way

I dunno, this game's bastard.
NDmath hasn't said anything that is 100% town in my PT, so I'm inclined toward your solve.
But would not be shocked if I was wrong. There are a lot of variables to consider.

[Bell]

Oh thank god this game is over for me.

Claim, Town. I kill anyone that visits me and motion detect people. I targeted NDMath last night and there was no motion detection.

Have fun! I never had it.

Oh yah and Bell is scum.

Oh no.
We lost.
Guilotina is town you guys.

[Bell]

I would like a refund on my sarcasm tags.

[Bell]

Let's hash things out here instead of in our PT Math.

1. We don't know whether guilotina is lying about being a motion detector until they flip.
2. I don't know why you're choosing to believe Guilotina's claim without a flip, but choosing to be skeptical of Nono's claim.
3. It's pretty unlikely guilotina is town. In addition, you're saying that you want to believe that it's pooky, I and you. But due to basic math, that is impossible while simultaneously thinking Guilotina is going to flip town as a motion detector whihc is a contradictory position.

[Bell]

4. Unwnd could have been a paranoid cop or an insane cop. If he was an insane cop, Nono and I are clear. If he was a paranoid cop it wouldn't matter as every result would be a guilty. There's pretty much no way to be more sure of one over the other without a negative result from Unwnd. Sine there wasn't any it's pretty much 50/50.

I'm still waiting on the rest of you guys to claim.

[Bell]

5. As mentioned by Lich already just because someone only put a green role pm next to a role does not confirm them as town. Unwnd asked this question already and the mod answered. Therefore the role and your alignment are rolled separately. Unless I misunderstood what Unwnd was asking and what Lich was saying, but I don't really think so? I would appreciate clarification just in case.

[Bell]

6. Based on what Guilotina said, I don't think he's the last of his alignment and he has a partner. Which means that there are a minimum of two not Town factions left (well besides obviously that the game would have ended already if there was only 1 faction lol).
There are only 2 factions left that have a kill.
7. You're gunna have to forgive me in general, I'm not a very good player and I might've missed something. In the set up etc.

[Bell]

8. If there are two factions left: Guilotina's faction just lost one. So they pretty much have to shoot outside of the town to maintain parity and the other faction should have a pretty good guess of who the other faction is so they just get shot as well and have lost the game.

This leaves 3 town and 1 scum tommorrow.

If there are 3 factions and one doesn't have an NK, it's just a wild west thing and best of luck with that. They'll probably say something to try to side with the faction most likely to win if they can reach their win condition.
The point being is that they kinda need to gambit.

And everyone wants to pretend to be town maybe?
I'm just thinking out loud.

I dunno. It seems like we lost maybe? Or maybe not. Guess we'll find out.

[Bell]

Okay, what alignment are you?

[Bell]

lol.

[Bell]

Okay Guillotina if you flip town, I'll believe that you were town.
If you were a sensor/detector and you were not town, I won't believe your results at all.
Deal?
Deal.

[Bell]

A person that sends a private message to someone through the mod and that's it.
It's possible they were not town and teamed up with somebody else who had an investigative so they were going through that process.
But there are a lot of roles none of which i have bothered to read (for the most part), so some zany multi-ability role could be entirely possible.

[Bell]

I barely know what I'm talking about. It's also possible that someone was a cop-like role but their result is simply sent to somebody else.
I forgot what the role was called. But I think that's fairly plausible?

[Bell]

1. I don't see why everyone is lying about being town when there are only 3 town present at most. :3. Yet we have 5 town claims so far.
2. Yes, they are likely lying about their claim. Why is lying about their claim in end game multiball scummy?
3. Sure. Maybe. I dunno, I'm not partners with them. I'm town.
4. How do probabilities work here? Based on Magnus flip. There are 3 probabilities right? Random, insane, Paranoid. 3 non-town's in a row might make random slightly less likely and paranoid slightly more likely but each possible variety of bloodhound is equally likely on the initial roll right? Since temporallich said alignment was not guranteed by each role.

Though, that doesn't really seem true given that there was more town than any other faction. So maybe more clarity is needed?
It occurs to me that there must be at least one survivor who hasn't claimed yet. So I just realized there are a minimum of 3 factions left.
5. What about how Temp lich modded his previous game leads you to your conclusions here? Is it that Pooky and I are guranteed town because even though temporallich denied that alignment wasn't connected to the initial alignment rolls they actually were? Or what else?
8. It sure is. It's also wrong I realized. Because the first guy that was eliminated had to have mooched off a survivor and that survivor turned out not to be Korina.

Given the available kills and some guess work.

4 Not town.
Min 1 survivor.

[Bell]

I barely know what I'm talking about. It's also possible that someone was a cop-like role but their result is simply sent to somebody else.
I forgot what the role was called. But I think that's fairly plausible?

You are talking about Amnesiac Cop who sends to a proxy instead?

Yeah, probably.

[Bell]

Okay Guillotina if you flip town, I'll believe that you were town.
If you were a sensor/detector and you were not town, I won't believe your results at all.
Deal?
Deal.

I will 1000% flip town. Unless you guys have a day janitor or something that makes roles show different and if that is the case, well played.

I just want you to know that 1000% percent isn't a real percentage so I hope that was a semi-clever joke, not only because you being town is bad for town bell but also because if you were saying that seriously you just made yourself look silly.

If Guilotina is not town, they're not the survivor and they aren't the last of their faction just based on motivation.

if they're town. Well, that's bad. I remain skeptimacals(I spelled this wrong on purpose).

[Bell]

If you forgot to add a 0 that would be 10000%.

Sure, I always try to play better if I can help it. But I'm not sure if I can.

[Bell]

Why do we keep fading ppl so quickly?

I do not know mr. werewolf. Why do we keep fading people so quickly? (Stares at 3 days twilight).

[Bell]

Why do we keep fading ppl so quickly?

Would you like to claim?

[Bell]

Bell i know you are scum because when you are town you never rush lynches. In fact ive seen you unvoting when you notice that a player could be flash yeeted.

You are obvious scum here and the towns here are just loltown.

Lol, you’re saying this when I was the one that tried to slow down the dsj wagon and didn’t even vote korina because I wanted to wait to see if any buddy would come up to claim. I have been very slow to vote.

I voted you quickly because I didn’t want non-town to negotiate.
But yeah. If you’re town. I’m sorry. But I’m town too and by pushing at me is just you giving a town snoopy a hard time for leading your elim before you could fight back.

[Bell]

Sure.

I'm a town shop-keeper. I get to win the game when all the mafia's are deadzors.

Sry for how the above sounds weird.... I dont want to break the rules, but that is the gist of my role.

Hence why I new this was multiball.

I’m not following this line of reasoning?
What about your role makes you think this is multiball?

[Bell]

Like I want to make this clear. It’s a tragedy if town rushed a wagon on another town. It is my fault, make no mistake. But I intentionally wagoner you because I didn’t think you were town and I wanted to be able to choose who we eliminated from my perspective as town.

[Bell]

@vax you can go to and quote from the grand idea thread. What your role is.

[Bell]

Could use some commentary by the people that are actually town on their thoughts besides mine

[Bell]

1. It was a joke. <3. Since at least 5 people are lying.
2. Okay.
4. Ah, I missed the completely random one. I excluded the rest because they were excluded due to magnus's flip and the results as accounted for by Unwnd and sure. I did not estimate which of these 3 were most likely.
5. I see that is good to know.
6. We have a flip and a discussion on Hayker's role and how he would be DOA if there was not a survivor. So there is a survivor barring the unexpected.

Nah, I'm just messing with people.

[Bell]

*pops head in*
Oh good, Pooky was scum so I wasn't totally off.
I still suck tho.

Uh. I'm town.
Whose the other town?

[Bell]

Nono isn't mafia. Nono isn't a werewolf.
So I guess he's either a survivor or the other town.

[Bell]

It's based on a lack of coordination with Pooky and an unnecessary murder of Korina.
I suppose he could be another, different faction.

[Bell]

Is it a cult thing?

I can't tell if this is fake or not. So I won't line it up to an anti-associative as they would know what pooky's ability did otherwise.

[Bell]

To my knowledge there is a survivor who should not be able to shoot.

[Bell]

Also, im not the twilight extender, and ALSO we dont know for sure the twilight extender isnt town.

I don't like NDmaths assumptions here.

If you're town Im the other town so by definition the twilight extender isn't town.

I also think it's a mistake to no-eliminate here.

[Bell]

To be frank, the survivor should claim here. So that we can avoid eliminating them accidentally as they can win with the town or if they are so inclined side with scum.

[Bell]

It's my hope that the survivor will side with us and we can identify the other town. Or at least hear us out.

[Bell]

I'm usually pretty stand offish.
I'm not a werewolf because of my interactions with Pooky and I'm not mafia because I'm not good enough to interact with Korina that naturally as scum.
I'm just town.

[Bell]

847
Why did you vote pooky in this post?

[Bell]

Nvm, found it, I forgot.

[Bell]

I've reviewed all of Ndmath's posts.
I don't feel much from there. Just general content. Nothing particularly insightful. Some minor sense of vulnerability.

I need Vax, Nono, and NDmath to true claim or we're probably not getting anywhere.

I full true claimed, I have no additional abilities than what I've already said with a town win condition. Just the facts.

If noone changes their claim I'm just going to ask the two people I suspect the most to cross vote each other and then see if scum suddenly hammers.

[Bell]

I have meta'd nono and this is actually his most active game to date.
Now I'll just go look at his posts this game and try to figure it out.
The only difference seems to be a general sense of independence while he's more circumspect and willing to ask questions as scum. but small sample size is small.

[Bell]

Rerad all his posts. Without major changes gunna ask Vax to cross vote NDmath.

[Bell]

No, but without the survivor claiming there really isn't much I can do other than try to kill one of the scum before losing. Just to give you some idea of what I'm working with I have more posts than all three of you combined.

[Bell]

I'd rather have both scum vote each other and hope we kill the one with the nk and hope there aren't two with the nk and that there really is a pseudo survivor.
I don't like the idea of no eliminating because it relies on people not aligned with me to do what's in my interest and that's not a good bet to make.

[Bell]

Also, just in general I've been working under the assumption that there was a survivor ever since our first flip based on the conjecture that hayker would have auto died if he chose a faction that didn't exist.
So it shouldn't be that difficult to believe given my position and assumptions have been posted out in the open for quite awhile.

[Bell]

Dunno which reality I'm in. Dunno which action serves us best.
I guess I'll wait on Nono's promised post and then figure out whether to throw my hands up in the air or not.

[Bell]

You have 7 days to post NONO!
I believe in you!

[Bell]

Why would Hayker lie about that when they flipped what they said they were going to flip?
i believe Guilotina now that he's dead.

[Bell]

No, I just don't know whether I want to bet the game on the scum shooting each other or if I want to bet the game on one of them not having a night kill.

[Bell]

I am starting to doubt that there is a survivior though as I feel they should already have claimed. Though, I recognize that in a tiny part of their brain there might be that fear that someone is a vig/day vig that inexplicably has saved their shot for literally just this moment.

Which is quite he take.

I wouldn't mind if everyone just truthfully claimed and we accepted a draw or or decided which faction should win.

[Bell]

But given they have stubbornly insisted on lying I doubt they're going to change their mind any time soon.

[Bell]

I can't shoot anybody without a gun.

So Vax and Nono want to no eliminate?

[Bell]

Ndmath what about you, do you want to no eliminate as well?

[Bell]

They already weighed in.
You were the last one.

[Bell]

I agree that there are no other factions with consistent kills outside of the mafia and Werewolves still alive. Just based off of the kills being consistent with that. Whether the werewolves or mafia were totally wiped out in the last round of nk's does not appear knowable.
I am not knowledgeable enough about mafia to know what scenarios beyond a survivor there could be other than the one scenario listed.

My guess is that nono is a survivor, NDmath is town. Vax is a werewolf.

If there is mafia+werewolf

I think that Nono is town, NDmath is mafia, Vax is a werewolf.

There is a world where Vax is just weird town. But I can't do much with that.

That's my current *solves*

[Bell]

I think the best idea is to force two people to cross vote.
If neither get instantly hammered we know who the survivor/scum are.

From there we can renegotiate their claims.
It's risky but it seems hypothetically sound?

[Bell]

Town neighbor townie counter.
In a neighborhood with NDmath.
As long as I'm alive mod will announce the number of living town aligned players each day.

I see two ways to win.
There's a survivor
or the other not-town doesn't have an nk and we kill the not town with the NK today.

We can also force them to concede by having them counter vote one another. Because if they're not hammered because both not-town voted each other our leverage forces them to make concessions or choose a draw. This might also force a survivor to claim allowing us to identify the non-survivor.

[Bell]

We can also win obviously if both not-town have a night kill and kill each other.

In the cross vote scenario, it's mostly just about using leverage to get a better position.

[Bell]

You say you'll vote them if they don't vote the other guy. Ensuring they die if they don't cross vote. Given that their only goal is to live to end game they should comply.

[Bell]

Oh hey. Good game you two.

I was town.

[Bell]

I guess Nono and Vax were both scum.

[Bell]

My general goal was to put scum in the position of having to claim their role to save themselves.
Since a town getting eliminated wouldn't have been as game ending as scum being eliminated so it was a point of leverage over them.

Unfortunately, they could just veto by no eliminating so they just rushed it through.

[Bell]

I was really thinking bell as the other town, but 3196 was on point. Im leaning nono as town now.

NDmath and Bell, you guys can shoot each other tonight.

VOTE: no elim

*snort*

[Bell]

Well, actually I still slighly lean Nono town.
Or I guess werewolf.
I guess he could have bussed Korina but it seemed largely unnecessary.

One of those.

[Bell]

mmm.

Vax was the easy elimination I think. The raya argument that he was a werewolf along with his win condition being one where he won when all the mafia in particular were dead seems to fit cleanly. that plus just generally low content and little interest in hunting.

It's the other one I couldn't figure out. Though it wouldn't surprise me too much if Vax was just weird town again.
I still remember death curse where he gave a take so divorced from reality that I couldn't comprehend him as being anything but scum.

As for my play in general, sorry for the middling to bad reads.
I was trying something new because I tend to think scum re more cookie cutter and unable to break out of that town-line mold.

Which is another point against Vax or having quite rigid thinking. Always courting the town line and afraid to step out of it in case it drew attention to himself.
I was being quite assertive or pushy with my opinions throughout the game so I can see why people would be afraid I was just....open wolfing or something?

[Bell]

I'll put vax down as scum and I'm not sure on NDmath and Nono.

Pretty much, I know the reason "why am I alive"
and it's simply because I'm a convenient measurement of what everyone needs to do to win.

[Bell]

I'm not sure how I feel about Vax and Nono just reading this day phase and having amnesia about the rest of the game.
It seems in line with their limited time.
I didn't really get the impression anyone else had iso'd the remaining players and tried to sort. They were more focused on the prize infront of them.

[Bell]

what?? twilight extender is a role,, not guaranteed to be scum, dislike you trying to turn people against each other,, for the last time, not twilight extender, IT DOESN’T MATTER though

right now, thinking vax is town,, vax, the other is me,, bell and maths are antitown, trying to get us to elim,, when elimming SCUM is bad, you’ve screwed up, we’ve screwed up x)

asked mod about my role, it’s better than i thought,, saying we have a chance now, put faith in nono VOTE: no elimination

Hmm. I guess everything I say now could be interpreted as wifom or meant to control who gets shot.

Mostly I'm just interested in guessing the last 2 scum at this point.

Vax yes.

Ndmah had Raya and angry pidgeon's pretty high up there. Bu they were on opposite factions. They voed pooky for what I would call an anti-town vote which was an appropriae but ultimately blameless vote. Which I tend o think scum look out for those sorts of opportunities.

I'm still trying to figure out who was bussing or if anyone bussed.

[Bell]

I don't put faith in anyone. btw.
So, I will not put faith in you if you're town.

[Bell]

Well the more I think on this the more I worry my reads are upside down again.
I know I shouldn't be taking this seriously, but I am very serious about having fun.
I'm not sure how I'm supposed to unlock the solve for this one tho.

[Bell]

Pretty much town loses next day phase in the following scenarios:

During the day that just ended:
Town lose if scum is eliminated.
Town do not lose if town is eliminated.
Scum lose if they are eliminated. But the other faction wins barring shenanigans.

Both town get shot. Town loses.
1 town gets shot and 1 scum gets shot. If there are two-anti-town factions. We lose.

If both scum get shot we win.


The reason I wanted to threaten an elimination is because if both scum are identified it becomes less about whether they know who to shoot and it becomes more about whether they want to let town win or not.

I's kind of convoluted reasoning though.

[Bell]

It honestly would have been better for me to self-vote then to no eliminate because it would have reduced the odds of town getting shot.

[Bell]

If you were trying to find a way not to lose I don't think I saw you trying to do that.
You asked other people to outsource that thinking for you.

[Bell]

Yup.
May fortune favor me and whoever the other town is.

[Bell]

Hahahahaha

We won no thanks to me.

[Bell]

No redactions in my pt with Ndmath.

[Bell]

What happened with Jake btw? I was so confused when he flipped mega man after claiming that he had no abilities and no alignment.

[Bell]

Yaaaay i didnt enjoy the game, mostly because of the extender but at least we won.

Please, dont use twilight extenders again. Pretty please.

Bell, sorry for the rough words.

Gg everyone

No problem. If our positions were reversed I’d have been salty too.

[Bell]

Nah, I'm town.

I'm the town counter. (the announcement of how many town are alive is my role) I'm in a neighborhood with NDMath who is confirmed not aligned with the mafia.
We both know we're not aligned with the mafia.

And I haven't been scummy in the slightest in this game.

lol I never even noticed this post <3 Bell

Yeah I noticed that mistake but I felt that back tracking would have gotten me in trouble at the time. So I just hoped people would ignore it moving forward.

[Bell]

There's always going to be that little voice in my head that says "But what if it's that one other time?"

[Bell]

@bell and nono

You guys played that perfect. I t was hard to hold up a conversation, because it was pretty obv ndmath and I were scum!

Thank you. Obviously I made a lot of mistakes this game. But I could have played much, much worse as well.
I also think you did a good job coming off naturally in elo. The issue is that when I looked back at your early play I realized you didn't seem to be giving out reads or opinions that stood out until we reached the end.

[Bell]

Werewolf PT?

[Bell]

Np, thanks Lich.

[Bell]

I think it would have been allowed, it wouldn't have been game throwing to out yourself in a 2-1-1 scenario. Though risky given you don't really know the variables present, you only have other people's words to go off of (minus my role which was observable).

As for that proposal that's just the prisoner's dilemma. In a one shot only choice like that, people usually just betray.