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FIRST (for the first time in 6 years, I believe)
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As soon as I realized you were in this game I just
knewyour 3rd pick would have had to be CULT RECRUITER.
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Why does this ring as an EVIL LAUGHTER to me???In post 9, mahimahi wrote:HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHA
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P-edit: That's NOT a Dolphin
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But it is indeed "fishy"
VOTE: mahimahi
P.S. Do you have a preferred pronoun?
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OK, I won't. But now I'm concerned. Are you Town or Scum??In post 14, Korina wrote:I SENT IN ONE-SHOT DEATHPROOF CULT LEADER, AND DIDN'T GET IT, I'M ANGRY ABOUT IT, DON'T REMIND ME I DIDN'T ROLL CULT
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So we're starting the crumbing/claiming process already??
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Why the hell pick that?? If you are the only Mafia you lost already (because you won't count towards the living)In post 21, Korina wrote:My scum pick was one-shot dayvig treestump. Am I currently treestumped?
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ROTFL. That was MY 3rd pick. Now don't be shooting me and we'll be just fine. (I promise we are allied if you are telling the truth)In post 24, Korina wrote:Fuck it, I'm claiming.I'm a NK-Immune Miller Vig. I cannot be a SK, because like A50 said, my third pick was cult.
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Knowing you; I'm inclined to believe you.In post 31, Korina wrote:
A50, because it's not about winning. It's about sending a message.In post 29, Almost50 wrote:
Why the hell pick that?? If you are the only Mafia you lost already (because you won't count towards the living)In post 21, Korina wrote:My scum pick was one-shot dayvig treestump. Am I currently treestumped?
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I NEVER thought the day would come when I trust Korina on a game of Mafia, and on PAGE TWO too.
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So, Jester was your 3rd pick??In post 49, samantha97 wrote:the only thing I'll say about my role is that I picked all 3 with the idea that I wouldn't live to the end
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Find me a Cult ROle that is also BP in the GIM thread and I'll consider it. For now I fully believe Korina's claimed role and alignmentIn post 79, Raya36 wrote:Of course not but I do remember you mentioned not getting cult early last game too VOTE: korina
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Some people talk too much (which is a relief for me because no matter how much I shitpost I won't be having 20% of the day posts all by myself)In post 84, Raya36 wrote:HOW ARE THERE 4 PAGES ALREADY
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Meh. I always do that. Bananas too.
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Liar. Wolves don't eat apples.In post 118, Raya36 wrote:I once ate an apple with the skin still on
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VOTE: VaxIn post 147, Vaxkiller wrote:I think we should fade korina. They are too excited and probably lying. I think the shot went through and we fade liars. Some interesting rules in effect.
Need I say more?
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It's a bloody negative utility. Miller ALWAYS claims early or get yeeted when they are guiltied by a Cop. (Also, Millers do get yeeted before LyLo anyway)In post 150, mahimahi wrote:I also don't believe their night kill immune miller vig claim at all, there's no reason to claim it if they are one
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I get the impression this is a crumb, but I can't be arsed going through that thread again to see what it could mean.In post 150, mahimahi wrote:I'm stuck in a time loop, and there's no escape. If you know what I mean by this, then please come save us tonight. We'll be inside the red door.
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In post 152, Vaxkiller wrote:I dont get it, whats the point of a 1 shot cult? Deathproof.... like you cant die at all? That seems TOO bastard.In post 6807, Korina wrote:1-Shot Deathproof Cult Leader
The deathproof ability is one-shot, not their Cult Leader ability
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YOU said you got your pick but it was NERFED. Why would you think Korina picking something as ridiculous as as the capitalized wouldn't get nerfed (and thus by effect become less entertaining that what he says he did actually pick)?In post 169, mahimahi wrote:viewtopic.php?f=5&t=59348&user_select%5 ... &start=200
Just read this
Are you seriously telling me Korina picks 1-shot deathproof cult leader over the busted cult roles they've come up with? Like, you can find stuff in there like ELITE CULT LEADER THAT LITERALLY CANNOT DIE BY ANY MEANS UNTIL DAY 4 AND CAN RECEUIT 2 PLAYERS PER NIGHT or something like that, and cultmafia roles which combine the mafia and cult factions and other ridiculous busted things
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OK, let ME be clear too:In post 171, KidAmn wrote:To be clear - Korina absolutely has to die *at some point* IMO due to the Miller claim. The question, I suspect, is really whether we want to trust their claim and leash them as a vigilante, or try and remove the doubt before they could potentially get out of hand with a cult if they're lying.
1- I am fully against yeeting Korina today
2- I am fully against leashing Korina tonight
3- Korina should shoot whomever he thinks is the best target
4- Korina will be sorted sooner than later by one role or another (I refuse to believe none of you picked an investigative)
5- If it does look like (a) The Town is losing, and (b) Korina's kills suck.. THEN I will consider yeeting him
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+1In post 172, samantha97 wrote:some of them would be rejected by ircher surely
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Real talk: many people appear to be paranoid of you here, and they're not necessarily Scum. I mean, sure.. some may be, but some scum may try to keep you alive too.In post 180, Korina wrote:I think everyone trying to push for my d1 elim is scum, and I’m going to shoot you.
Theoretically speaking: if I was Scum (or ANY non-Town alignment, really) I may have wanted you around for a couple of nights. Having pocketed you already; scum!me would want you to wade through the playerlist some. Of course, that also depends on whether I have partners and -if I do- whether you're likely to shoot them or not.
That said, the reason TOWN!ME (which is the real me here) also wants you around to help me out, because I struggle to sort people in early game and I usually need a red flip (in a classic setup) to start catching the rest of the team. Noe this game doesn't necessarily have a "team" to begin with, and it could very well have multiple anti-town factions, so it's even harder for me to sort people, and it suits me to have another "very likely Town-motivated" flip per cycle. (Note that I am not yet 100% on you, but everything you said so far checks out with what I'd expect you to do/pick, so I am very very much inclined to believe you are Town here).
As for your shooting pool, I would recommend that you don't say or even crumb your target. If you are NK-proof you can always tell after the fact, y'know. We don't need a Busdriver, a Redirector/Deflector, a Scum Roleblosker/Jailkeeper.. etc or even a Scum Doctor messing around or stopping your shot.
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Classic scum posting.In post 201, Raya36 wrote:I honestly just think Mahi vs Korina is a TvT fight
That said, town also can this it, so I second that notion.
Conclusion: I am Town and Raya is Scum for saying basically the exactly the same thing.Impressive as always.
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And you get to be NAI for it.In post 202, VFP wrote:In post 201, Raya36 wrote:I honestly just think Mahi vs Korina is a TvT fight
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I'll tell you what:In post 204, mahimahi wrote:If you're werewolf/mafia: Trust my word on this, Korina is lying here for the reasons I've given and is cult or scum. Deal with that if you have the means for it, or chaos might ensue.
I'll drop this for now so we can talk about things
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1- Korina is Scum (not Cult) = Korina will get caught sooner than later
2- Korina is Cult = I don't mind giving him the win here. We all know he lives for it.
3- Korina is telling the truth (and thus is Town) = We need him alive and doing his job.
Now I do believe 3 is the most likely case, but I've given you reasons why I won't be voting him EVEN if there's a possibility he may be 1 or 2. If 1 I will vote him when he is exposed. If 2 I probably won't vote him still.
Can you drop the tunnel now and try to sort other slots with me?
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STOP GIVING SCUM REASON TO TARGET YOU, DAMN IT.In post 231, VFP wrote:You will know my role tonight, I'll be confirmed.
Some scum (the killing kinds) would want to get rid of confirmable roles through the NK. Others (the non-killing kinds) would want to recruit you or vanillaize you or whatever the freak they do to prevent you from doing your job.
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This is starting to sound like role fishing to me, my friends. You have your two claims to confirm yourself as a third. I recommend you stop at that.In post 232, mahimahi wrote:Doctor heal is protecting someone in the night to block a kill
I'm already like 90% sure you're town, VFP, based on your initial claim, so it might be worth confirming 2 others instead
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And btw, why didn't you use your 2 guesses on N0??
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there was once a monkey in that same gameIn post 240, mahimahi wrote:i'd rather push you to die over checking you when i'm 95% sure you're scum or cult, korina
there was once a mahi who entered the flames,
it came out stronger, its head drooped in shame,
but then a mahi approached and laid down it's fin,
and all was right again, with their loving ole kin
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who didn't like mahi and wanted to pick their brain
but mahi was korina's to ride for the win
so the monkey let Korina do his own thing
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Lock-Towning thisIn post 245, KidAmn wrote:Jesus christ, how many fucking claims and softclaims and re-claims and Claim//Fame are we going to see before 10 pages? What the shitting fuck.
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We all do. What makes you special??In post 247, mahimahi wrote:I know all about Korina's cult obsessions
How many years have you known Korina? How many games have you played with him? And how many have you playedunderhim (i.e. games modded by Korina)?
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Raya, please! I want to SR you here, and I can't do that with this kind of obv!towning. Please try to post scummy stuff to keep me happy. Thank you.In post 248, Raya36 wrote:
Their play does not line up with their role at all. If they think someone who claimed their exact role is scum this is the exact perfect opportunity to get a guilty on that player. They may never get this opportunity again because the people they think are scum might not claim anything to be checked. If there role is true then they should absolutely not have said anything, checked Korina how I suggested, then looked for someone else to push because they can resolve Korina by the next day.In post 244, Vaxkiller wrote:
@raya,In post 242, Raya36 wrote:Don't know what to think of this. This is a bold way to role hunt if you're scum.
That's where im at. If they are scum, and it's a fake claim, the person on the OTHER end will know if they are lying eventually.
So I'm leaning town I guess.
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You can check me, but I'm not claiming.In post 249, mahimahi wrote:teehee
The way you'd play it is different to how I'd, Raya. Like I said, I'm very sure Korina is scum, I'd rather check someone I'm unsure about
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Based on what exactly? I know we have a minimum of 7 as per the rules, but why 8 specifically?In post 256, samantha97 wrote:we most likely have 8 town btw
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I use my keyboard. There's nothing I can't "Enter" or "Escape".
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Dear Sam:
I town lean you at this point, but I also request that you make your reasoning/intentions clear for me to make sure my feeling is correct.
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Well, I still didn't look it up, but it struck me as some kind of GOO. The invitation to visit them is... shady at best.In post 274, Flea The Magician wrote:
So far, theres 3 doors, red blue and green, and they've claimed town guesser for some role fishing and a vig and frankly I'm a freaking chaotic flufyf messy but ye gods have mercy that slot needs yote.In post 271, Almost50 wrote:
I get the impression this is a crumb, but I can't be arsed going through that thread again to see what it could mean.In post 150, mahimahi wrote:I'm stuck in a time loop, and there's no escape. If you know what I mean by this, then please come save us tonight. We'll be inside the red door.
And this doesn't AT ALL rhyme with the "Town Guesser". Why would a Town Guesser as to be visited??
I think I'll end up voting them over Vax.
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And THIS is a Jester play. So far you've claimed or crumbed FOUR different roles.In post 277, mahimahi wrote:ye gods won't have mercy on flea, mark my fluff
you all don't have the guts to execute us - prove me wrong
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Spoiler: My Guess is you are:
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Pick one:In post 287, Vaxkiller wrote:WHY such the hardline on korina?
1- I like the guy
2- I believe the guy
3- Both
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I think Korina's reaction looks more normal if you take in-contest. This is how it really went:In post 58, mahimahi wrote:actually fish have short lives and i have no time to waste for silence from our benefactor this game
dayvig: korina
- mahimahiIn post 59, Korina wrote:no, are you seriousIn post 60, Korina wrote:please tell me you aren't serious right nowIn post 63, Korina wrote:I'm going to wait to see if Ircher confirms itIn post 64, Korina wrote:If this is a fake dayvig, I'm voting to kill you.In post 70, mahimahi wrote:our shot went through according to Ircher
so Korina is bulletproof
why are you bulletproof, Korina
-mahiIn post 69, Korina wrote:Are you actually a dayvig mahi?In post 72, Korina wrote:I told you, I'm nk-proof.
the only way I see it as fake is if it's SvS theater. You really can't SR Korina and TR mahi based on this interaction (and especially so when Ircher had not intervened in between). I dunno why people think Korina's reaction was stramge when nothing had been confirmed by the mid yet nahi claimed mod told them the action went through. I mean, put yourself in Korina's shoes and tell me how you would have reacted differently.In post 73, Korina wrote:I don't know why that would extend to the day, but I feel like you're lying about it anyways.
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What if I'm not hard-nulling you??In post 296, Guillotina wrote:Hard null sounds about how everyone reads me on when I rand town on Day 1 or as scum, I'm making progress!
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I did consider the Town Innocent One-Shot Dayvig, but I decided against it as I didn't want to shoot blindly, and with me confirmed at the start of the game I probably would have been NK'd on N1, so "bad pick" I figured.In post 306, samantha97 wrote:
no one did apparentlyIn post 305, Guillotina wrote:Why didn't a pick a day vig role? I could use one just about now.
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I would, and I said as much. Korina's claimed role was indeed my 3rd pick. (As per the rules I could pick any role of any alignment for the 3rd pick, and that was it for me)In post 307, Guillotina wrote:
Would you pick a Miller role as your role fora game?In post 270, Almost50 wrote:
It's a bloody negative utility. Miller ALWAYS claims early or get yeeted when they are guiltied by a Cop. (Also, Millers do get yeeted before LyLo anyway)In post 150, mahimahi wrote:I also don't believe their night kill immune miller vig claim at all, there's no reason to claim it if they are one
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No Doctor Evil meme??In post 315, Guillotina wrote:
How about noIn post 313, VFP wrote:
Tell me about yourself.In post 312, Guillotina wrote:That's because you don't know me at all
Spoiler:
Spoilered GIF.
~IrcherLast edited by Ircher on Wed Mar 31, 2021 3:19 pm, edited 1 time in total.
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OOPS! I should've spoilered that, shouldn't I?
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I lie-detected this and it came back TRUE.In post 319, Guillotina wrote:I may or may not be a day lie detector.
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That's NOT a 100% shot rate. That's an unidentified percentage (zero divided by zero)In post 354, Korina wrote:Yea, true, but I'd rather play carefully. I have a 100% correct shot rate as vigilante, because I've never played as vigilante, and I intend to keep it that way.
Spoiler:
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I think you're confusing these two points:In post 383, Flea The Magician wrote:Thank you for the catchup, enjoy your loss of vote tomorrow -.-;
You may notice that the "loss of vote" penalty is for the "disproportionate number of posts" offense. No such penalty for multi-posting.In post 1, Ircher wrote:Rules
Summary of Deadline and Activity Rules
7. While you may double-post,further posting in a row is heavily discouraged.
8.Players that have a disproportionate number of posts at the end of a day phase will lose their vote in the following day. For minis, this is defined as 20% of the game's posts.
Now this does NOT mean I do it on purpose (that would be an offense in itself if I did), but there'[s also that principle called "the spirit of the law" which is defined as "the aim or purpose of a law when it was written". I personally believe that rule #7 was mainly concerned with #shitposting, and thus should not apply to (a) accidental, (b) contentful posting.
With that said:@Mod: I hereby plead guilty to the violation of rule #7 quoted above, and I sincerely apologize for it.I will try to be more careful, but it's sometimes hard to keep track of what is being posted when I hadn't reached that point yet. It'd also be hard to follow that rule if I am online when nobody else is, and offline when others are. I will not contest your final verdict though, and -once again- I do apologize for the train of posts I already made.
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OK, that does make sense from a purely mathematical PoV. Thank you.In post 412, samantha97 wrote:
cause 7 is the floor and 65% chance x 13 peopleIn post 392, Almost50 wrote:Based on what exactly? I know we have a minimum of 7 as per the rules, but why 8 specifically?
I'm bad at math but I got 8 rounded down
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Interesting. VERY interesting. I read everything you all posted and I don't feel the need to comment on a single thing. I don't even have a joke or meme to contribue.
OK, one thing I may repeat: STOP IT WITH THE CLAIMS AND CRUMBS.
Yeah. That's about all I have to say.
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Only if all scum claim truthfully.In post 560, VFP wrote:
Do you think about mass claim would be better then?In post 559, Almost50 wrote:OK, one thing I may repeat: STOP IT WITH THE CLAIMS AND CRUMBS.
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In post 561, Flea The Magician wrote:no more crumbs, so how about just go whole loaf?Spoiler:
What if I have too many TRs I can't come up with a 3 person PoE? Like, the only one I'd vote without remorse is Nono (considering Vax is the one I'm voting now and you all want to let Korina handle him). I don't really have a 3rd.In post 568, KidAmn wrote:@everyone - your 3 person PoE, danke schön.
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So, everybody suspects Nono, but nobody's voting Nono. Neat.
VOTE: Nono
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I am impartial regarding this no yeet suggestion, but since everyone seems to be arguing against it I decided to play devil's advocate:
In "conventional" games (Normal or not) the MOD/Designer decides the roles with the scope of achieving "balance". In this game WE pick our own roles to try and achieve the most with them (regardless of alignment, as I'm sure everyone did try to pick a good scum role as well just in case they rolled that one).
If the game has 2 scums (minimum scum is 2 as per rules) then a yeet on D1 doesn't really hurt the Town, since the game would be heavily town-sided by virtue of numbers alone. HOWEVER, if the game has 6 anti-town slots then it most likely does hurt us to yeet one of us.
That said, I don't think all anti-town will recognize each other, so it's a close call between yeeting a townie and yeeting an anti-town player. Note that the game could also include 6 NON-Town, but not necessarily 6 ANTI-Town (I dunno why someone would pick Survivor for example, but it's theoretically possible).
So, if we no lim it does have a benefit and -maybe- that isn't such a bad idea. At the very least -if we're considering the nature and spirit of the game, namingly the "fun >> competition" part- we are giving everyone a chance to do something with the role they picked before they leave and spectate the rest of the game.
So, there it is. To yeet or not to yeet stillisthe question. I just wanted to highlight that not everybody thinks alike, and that something sounding scummy to you doesn't mean it is scummy for the other person. It could very well have an honest and sincere town motivation.
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Everyone is "probably" scum. As a matter of fact, if we had an IC revealed to us they could "probably" be scum still. Only that probability would be ZERO.
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(To me) this is a 100% TOWN post. It's not because he's "defending me", but rather because I can't think of a motive for ANY non-Town slot to put themselves so far out into the light when the push (by VFN) is being made on "someone not in their PT" (me). Only TOWN do these kinds of things in my book.In post 627, Guillotina wrote:This guy is scum and fuck your no elimination shit Samantha. I rescind my offer to sheep you.
VOTE: VFP
Anything that opposes his point of view is "scum" to him.
Also, funnily enough my 5-players PoE includes ALL FOUR voting Korina, plus VFN. I am not saying they are ALL necessarily Scum, and I'm not saying everyone else is 100% Town (I TR people to various degrees of confidence) but I am saying "right now I don't want to lim outside that PoE".
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And how are you going to prevent being confirmed by -say- a Cop??In post 635, Flea The Magician wrote:Side note, is this entire damn game confirmable or something?
Like I've deliberate not chosen an alignment confirmable role because I wanna have fun, not just yolo win.
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^Btw, this was NOT a crumb of any sort. I do realize some people take some of my content in ways I do/did not intend them to be, and -to those who know me- this is not even the way I crumb AT ALL. Just FTR.
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Can I get a short case on each of them? Like, one of them (I won't say which) is even higher than Korina on my own scale of townie-ness (that's to say if that slot is Scum I'm screwed)
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