MT 2203: Grand Idea Upick: Awakening [Endgame]

[TemporalLich]

I SENT IN ONE-SHOT DEATHPROOF CULT LEADER, AND DIDN'T GET IT, I'M ANGRY ABOUT IT, DON'T REMIND ME I DIDN'T ROLL CULT

From my experience modding a grand idea with Korina in it, this is towny.

korina must die for his transgressions and lies

mahimahi, should we take the shot?

-mahi

locked and loaded on the target, over

- mahimahi

this on the other hand is scummy tunneling

voting korina is mafiaclaiming

a bit too stronge an accusation, korina spewed town but could be scum

Raya is literally flipped town

-mahi

are you saying Raya is confirmed town?! What the heck?

VOTE: mahimahi - your initial posts strike me as scum tunneled on a town claim. Hopefully you aren't actually claiming Raya is confirmed town but you have to realize saying "X is literally flipped town" means you know that X is confirmed town and if I think you're scummy that makes me want to exile you more.

[TemporalLich]

What reason do I have to lie about being nk-immune miller vig unless I'm bulletprof scum/sk? We know I can't be a SK because my third pick is always cult, and I'd much rather keep shitposting as scum after I die.

idk to avoid nightkills to start

I mean yeah but if Korina actually picked SK this game then I'll eat my shorts.

anyway I should probably make an actual post for my second post in a row as I'm heavily discouraged from a third one but allowed to double post.

My role is confirmable during the Day, though it is best used when the thread has devolved into a 1v1.

Korina strikes me as town, Raya strikes me as town (don't have a noteworthy post, just skim the ISO and you'll see what I mean), mahi strikes me as scum, A50 is null with an iota of town, Guillotina and VFP are hard null, and sam seems like I'd townlean them later on.

[TemporalLich]

yeah this is GIM but mahi still seems way too confident on their reads.

Like this is Day freaking 1 and you're already throwing out innos?! Da heck?

[TemporalLich]

the least they could do is not phrase it as an inno or confirmation

that's when it looks like lying

[TemporalLich]

then again I'm arguing based on tone now, but mahi still seems to have a scummy push on Korina

[TemporalLich]

my gut says that flea is hard null as 136 feels NAI

[TemporalLich]

I think that post is more NAI than town, but I have a hard time discerning the probability verse in where that post is scummy

[TemporalLich]

I SENT IN ONE-SHOT DEATHPROOF CULT LEADER, AND DIDN'T GET IT, I'M ANGRY ABOUT IT, DON'T REMIND ME I DIDN'T ROLL CULT

Korina's probably lying here because there's way way way way way WAY better cult roles than this

I also don't believe their night kill immune miller vig claim at all, there's no reason to claim it if they are one

TemporalLich, did you handpick the roles for this game or randomise them?

I'm stuck in a time loop, and there's no escape. If you know what I mean by this, then please come save us tonight. We'll be inside the red door.

-mahi

Are you talking about my game or this game? I'm a player in this game, but I can tell you that this game is a uPick but your picks are randomized with a weighted distribution of

65%

/

20%

/

15%

.

If the dayvig actually did fail that means Korina is more likely to be cult as NK-Immune doesn't protect from dayvigs unlike normal Bulletproof, but Korina claimed to have picked a

1-shot deathproof

cultist

[TemporalLich]

ye gods won't have mercy on flea, mark my fluff

you all don't have the guts to execute us - prove me wrong

-mahi

your hubris will be the end of you

I think flea is null with an iota of townie (234) so mercy is what I will give faer.

[TemporalLich]

i have so much hubris rn that i'm made out of hummus

-mahi

noted, please explain your strong townread on Raya because your ISO is devoid of explanations

I'm assuming your dayvig is fake but if it is real that makes Korina's cult claim make sense (1-shot deathproof protects from that, while NK-Immune doesn't)

[TemporalLich]

I mean I don't trust you but you're starting to look town...

On the other hand Vax's ISO doesn't look promising, CaptainS's only actual post (182) is NAI but slightly negative charisma, and KidAmn is still split into the "angry townie" and "scum playing angry townie" probabilty verses.

[TemporalLich]

your crumbs taste like chocolate cake

VOTE: Vaxkiller - I don't think Korina is scum especially considering the dayvig was fake

[TemporalLich]

yeah that smells like fakeclaim to me, and town logic from vaxkiller

At this point I don't know who to vote but unvoting in Day 1 would be scummy especially considering the scum side of my read list isn't empty.

[TemporalLich]

@A50, I'm not planning on shooting tonight, because I wanna see how many kills we have, excluding me. At most, we can have literally six SKs, but more pragmatically speaking, we probably have Mafia + SK/WW. Not only that, but we have majority throughout most of the game, so unless we lose three townies tonight, I'm not gonna shoot until I'm certain someone will flip scum.

pedit:
I picked a dayvig, but that was my mafia pick.

ppedit:
Yes, I would, because I think picking NK-Immune Miller Vig is actually a really smart move on my end. You can eliminate the odds of me being SK entirely, because I obviously pick Cult, meaning I'm either BP scum, or actually telling the truth.

This just reads "look im doing towny things, and have a towny thought process", instead of doing what everyone else would do with a vig.... shoot someone you think is scum and shrug it off if they arent.

@GUIL

You may want to read the rules regarding multiple posts in a row. (really all the rules)

I haven't had the time to read all the rules, I signed up for a relax fun game where I didn't have to worry about over complicated rules that would require a lot of attention.

My mom is pending brain surgery mid of April and all the paperwork plus the gravity of the operation prevents me from taking on too strict games. Would you mind sharing with me the general idea of those rules? So I know and don't break them?

Double posting is okay, but posting three or more times in a row is heavily discouraged.

If you have a disproportionate amount of posts at the end of the Day phase, you may lose your vote the next day.

[TemporalLich]

VFP is probably unjester if anything, that baiting the scum NK is just too much to believe

[TemporalLich]

I already softed that I was trivially confirmable during the Day, is that a bad thing?

[TemporalLich]

please don't fight, I want a peaceful game

[TemporalLich]

OOPS! I should've spoilered that, shouldn't I?

yeah

5. Be mindful of other users. In particular, try to spoiler animated GIFs, videos, and posts with multiple images.

pedit: now we're reaching levels of meta that shouldn't even be possible. Be careful, the Astral Demons may find out about this.

[TemporalLich]

Yeah, currently think Korina is town despite what other people say

[TemporalLich]

did you handpick or randomise the roles for your grand idea games, Lich?

i really admire your work and want you to be honest with me

-mahi

TemporalLich's Grand Idea was all randed roles... It's like Great Idea but using the Grand Idea Mafia thread as the deck. I did veto rules that were unfun, but Grand Idea is randed.

[TemporalLich]

There were mod discretion alignments that allowed me to handpick aligments however... that's because some cards in the GIM deck say so

[TemporalLich]

I like Korina as much as the next person, but, they need voted out.

This is not "fear" of the possibility or anything, I know some of you are friends with Korina, but it's a game, and as I see it, Korina has got to go. I've posted my thoughts on it and I get agreement, but no votes, and it gets explained away (maybe another day, but I know them, someone even said "they deserve the win if they are cult" <--- Lol why? It's been pointed out its a possibility!, some of you are just roflcoptering asking to be recruited!)

Korina is today's fade. I'm sorry Korina, no hard feelings, it just is, waht it is.

ugh this sounds like resigned scum trying to push their mislim (or "misfade" according to vax)

how this is towny eludes me

[TemporalLich]

VFP, are you for real right now or just trolling me. Like im not sure if I should even respond to you, because it looks like you just fuckin with me trying to rile me up.

@temporallich
how is that "resigned"? Korina is scummy, and the people protecting them have the silliest reasons! (listed above). I ended with an "I'm sorry" because there appears to be a good handful of people in this game who just want to play with Korina.... regardless of alignment!!!!! So I want people to know I have nothing against them and enjoy playing with them, but, sorry, they are today's fade.

The fact you're acting like that exile is inevitable and simultaneously doing nothing to try to change it is a clear sign of resignation... though resignation isn't inherently scummy, but you wanting to push Korina with no explanation is scummy and a clear sign Korina would be a misexile.



also Guillo is starting to look scum with his recent posts

[TemporalLich]

VFP feels kinda sketchy with that claim but I kinda want to see it play out... Vax is almost openwolfing

[TemporalLich]

VFP isn't super scummy but the claim is self-resolving (especially if it is of the trivially confirmable kind)

485 is a towny post, I honestly don't get why the town wants to lime Korina who acts towny and is genuinely upset he didn't roll Cult and says that inthread.

Korina/mahi doesn't look TvT to me indeed.

and yeah I agree Guillo is trying to intentionally lime town.

pedit: I can fullclaim but my role is trivially confirmable during the day

[TemporalLich]

but can your role ability come with different alignments in the grand idea thread?

if so, i can confirm your exact role with alignment, as in the exact post from the grand idea thread

-mahi

you're trying to rolefish aren't you

but yeah I have a role that is town only but is a variation of a role that isn't town only

[TemporalLich]

VFP feels kinda sketchy with that claim but I kinda want to see it play out... Vax is almost openwolfing

VFP's actions are not great. Will wait for them to confirm night actions.

Not sure why you think im open wolfing.

you're trying to get Korina limed and not even hiding that you're hopelessly tunneled but also know too much

[TemporalLich]

You're all so paranoid of fishing, it's ridiculous. I'm not some fisherman who's camped by the docks fishing for the best trout you'll ever see in your lives. I'm a scientist who's mixing elements and fixing chemical leaks for this town.

There's probably at least 3 different scum factions in this game, you think I'm just trying to fish town when scum need to kill each other too? You all should eat some pasta and learn that not every dish needs fish inside. Like yes, fish and chips is decent, but so is some mac and cheese.

-mahi

look I can claim since I've already softed but I want a second opinion first before I hardclaim

[TemporalLich]

How is trying to get korina elim "open wolfing"? How is my (admitted) tunneling "open wolfing"? Like tunneling may be AI for a few people, but far from the majority. I mentioned it, because I realized im getting distracted from the rest of the gamestate.


I know too much????? Like what?

Korina has spewed himself town with that "I didn't roll cult" spiel. also korina claimed a vig so him wanting to shoot you isn't a scumslip.

The ISO looks good, and Korina has spewed town.

Continue to tunnel and you'll see quickly that tunnel has a dead end.

Also you know too much... like Korina isn't your partner

[TemporalLich]

Bah

You wanna keep obvscum around, go ahead. Since you are this insane im gonna do something equally insane. I will sheep the first person that asks me to sheep him/her. Every vote from this point forward til the end of the day that he/she casts, I will cast.

Go!

obvious sign of resignation, seems like scum wouldn't be this insane though

[TemporalLich]

yeah... the astral demons might be watching

we must try to find actual scum, not assume resignation = scummy

[TemporalLich]

I really think Korina is town, and please don't try to fight

[TemporalLich]

no exile day 1? Are you an astral demon?

[TemporalLich]

what's an astral demon

a powerful being from a realm far away, they can effortlessly travel through realms

[TemporalLich]

don't know if vax suddenly spewed town but I am still keeping my vote on Vax - better to vote someone you scumread than to not vote at all

[TemporalLich]

I swear your a jester Temp

oh wow never heard of that flavor of OMGUS before

[TemporalLich]

I prefer orange over lime

[TemporalLich]

but Baja Blast is h e a v e n

[TemporalLich]

mahi, vax, and guillo are my three curennent SRs

Though sam's insistence on No Exile is super sus

[TemporalLich]

mahi, vax, and guillo are my three curennent SRs

Though sam's insistence on No Exile is super sus

You are scum. There is no way a town would think someone would resign from winning on Day 1 when that someone is in no danger of elimination. That mentality can only come from scum trying to foolishly push a very hard to yeet amazing player (me)

I don't think you are likely to concede, you just play like you don't have much hope left. Besides, that is NAI.

You are scummy for putting up a performance of not actually putting any effort into your votes on purpose and instead sheeping. You are also scummy for voting No Exile on Day 1.

[TemporalLich]

I'll

properly

put my vote on the backburner then.

Anything can happen in Grand Idea... even the game suddenly turning into a triangle.

UNVOTE:

[TemporalLich]

and I'm only unvoting because of Vax's softclaim... if I find out they lied they have claimed scum

[TemporalLich]

VOTE: Guillotina

Scummy reaction, and I want to see VFP's answer to your question before confirming or unvoting again

[TemporalLich]

The answer is already in 607
Guillotina doesn't have the mindset that the PoE read is wrong on him, but instead that Guillotina and Mahi being a scum team is wrong.

oh lol

yeah guillo is currently the vote for today

[TemporalLich]

nono's iso has too little content for me to judge

[TemporalLich]

yeah but this is still Mafia after all... people acting scum are more likely to be scum

Night is when this game shines, but no exile Day 1 is still the mark of scum

[TemporalLich]

you're actually voting no exile? Your vote should be somewhere else guillo

[TemporalLich]

let the hammer drop

no claim even in the tent?

the hammer must drop to end the hubris

[TemporalLich]

Nah im town but I will play my way not the way you guys want me to play. You will regret it though, i can guarantee that.

let the hammer drop even harder

look I don't care if you're a death miller or the grand poobah, your insistence on not claiming in the tent is going to get you hammered regardless of alignment

[TemporalLich]

you're starting to fall into the "scum even if you're town" range

[TemporalLich]

that means if you're mechtown I'd still want to vote you

and considering this is Grand Idea I can still be right with an iota of chance

@pedit: no, guillo is scum and korina is town and voting Korina would be scumclaiming

[TemporalLich]

yeah I should stop my role is meant to defuse these tensions

[TemporalLich]

but yeah you can class me as "unimportant" for now

[TemporalLich]

well you're (guillotina) trying to get yourself mechtown in a convoluted attempt to win the game for scum.

I'm saying I'm not deterred by your pathetic attempts to use Grand Idea shenanigans to deflect your incoming hammer.

I will accept a claim from you, and you specifically.

@pedit: let the dark forces imbue you

@ppedit: you're still voting no lime

[TemporalLich]

guillo is using OGC to strongarm me

[TemporalLich]

To avoid further toxicity on my end I will lurk but will still beetlejuice

[TemporalLich]

anyway I apologize for using "pathetic" to describe your play... didn't realize I was crossing the line between attacking play and attacking player

[TemporalLich]

I actually thought the hammer was real so that's why I rushed in with the apology for my accidental transgression.

That being said, while the fake hammer performance is scummy because it confused the town Guillo is starting to look town (right now this means Guillo is no longer "scum even if town")

[TemporalLich]

yeah I skimmed lol

I can state 738 again as it was a performance but I don't dispute Guillo is getting townier

I still think Korina is town so that makes Guillo a great vote.

[TemporalLich]

yeah I skimmed lol

I can state 738 again as it was a performance but I don't dispute Guillo is getting townier

I still think Korina is town so that makes Guillo a great vote.

Why is Korina town? What has he done to merit such read from you?

This still mostly hinges off Korina's claim being something I meta-read Korina as town (or at least not groupscum) for.

ISO skim looks okay, and I think Korina's wagon stall is towny.

[TemporalLich]

yeah I skimmed lol

I can state 738 again as it was a performance but I don't dispute Guillo is getting townier

I still think Korina is town so that makes Guillo a great vote.

Why is Korina town? What has he done to merit such read from you?

This still mostly hinges off Korina's claim being something I meta-read Korina as town (or at least not groupscum) for.

ISO skim looks okay, and I think Korina's wagon stall is towny.

Ok. If not Korina and me, then who should we yeet, who do scum read the most now?

mahimahi, which should be obvious but I want to properly answer the question

[TemporalLich]

you're actually voting no exile? Your vote should be somewhere else guillo

Agreed.

VOTE: No Elim

you say you agree with my post but then you vote no lime

I'm saying not to vote no lime

[TemporalLich]

Guillotina (4) (E-3) - KidAmn (485), TemporalLich (610), Flea The Magician (633), Raya36 (639)

Korina (4) (E-3)- Vaxkiller (323), mahimahi (416), CaptainS (443), Nono (588)

I am strongly against both of these wagons if I had a veto I'd have used it. (and if I was a Governor I'd be pardoning them)

correct option would be to vote someone else... or unvote if you don't scumread anyone at all. This is Day 1, not Day 10↑↑10

[TemporalLich]

it makes more sense day 1 than any other day

a vote for no elim is a vote for throwing away a major factor in Town's success

Even if we mislim, we walk into Day 2 richer in information. If we instead no elim, we walk into Day 2 with only the Night to tell us info.

[TemporalLich]

pretty sure this being a Grand Idea if we no elim we go into Day 2 with less information than right now

[TemporalLich]

My read on Korina is purely a metaread - I don't think Korina is acting the same way as in TL's GIM

[TemporalLich]

might as well jump off Guillo as I like 783

still scummy but I had overestimated my SR on guillo

VOTE: mahimahi

[TemporalLich]

I have the third slot on the wagon that's the towniest slot

[TemporalLich]

besides, mahi is a scummy rolefisher and my vote was more me jumping off guillo's wagon

[TemporalLich]

you seem a bit too confident mahi

you were revealed to be a prince, but Korina really is claiming to not know how a Miller works in GIM.

VOTE: Korina

(don't know if this is E-1)

Mostly because Korina claimed to be a role that gets a false Mafia result, and tried to use that to deflect a Cult investigation. I told everyone no elim Day 1 was a terrible fucking idea, and it was kinda forced on us because we ran up a Prince.

btw, Miller returns "Mafia" to cops and that's it. "Wrong Place at the Wrong Time" is the miller for all cop-likes which would return a false Cult result. Though neither of these roles screw with an Alignment Cop.

[TemporalLich]

ebwop: my vote is E-2

[TemporalLich]

okay yeah not sure how I missed that

VOTE: Vaxkiller

you're a worse liar than Korina is, and the fact this is a uPick makes you look even more scum.

[TemporalLich]

Ur 6823

Yes, that was my third pick;

I SENT IN ONE-SHOT DEATHPROOF CULT LEADER, AND DIDN'T GET IT, I'M ANGRY ABOUT IT, DON'T REMIND ME I DIDN'T ROLL CULT

Your claimed "pock" in #14 does not match this recent "admission" of having picked

Elite Cult Leader

VOTE: Korina

... that just wants to make me vote Vaxkiller even more

we now have a situation where 1 is

definitely

lying and the other is probably lying

in fact it looks like co-aligned scum being too obviously co-aligned scum

[TemporalLich]

Ur 6823

Yes, that was my third pick;

I SENT IN ONE-SHOT DEATHPROOF CULT LEADER, AND DIDN'T GET IT, I'M ANGRY ABOUT IT, DON'T REMIND ME I DIDN'T ROLL CULT

Your claimed "pock" in #14 does not match this recent "admission" of having picked

Elite Cult Leader

VOTE: Korina

I'm treating this as Day 1: the sequel

therefore I'd prefer to vote scum than not vote - and as far as I know both Vax and Korina look like co-aligned scum liars

[TemporalLich]

ebwop: remove the quote

[TemporalLich]

If Korina flips groupscum, we lime Vax tomorrow for being so obviously co-aligned scum it can break an Astral Demon's brain.

If Korina flips cult Vax is likely trueclaiming about being Guesser with a good result.

If Korina flips town we lime Vax tomorrow for fakeclaiming.

[TemporalLich]

VOTE: Korina

best shot at info today, and also likely scum or cult

pedit: are you claiming tracker? if so I can easily vote vax for fakeclaiming and assume korina is Town then

[TemporalLich]

frick I quickhammered

[TemporalLich]

well if korina flips town that will teach me to not skip through ppedits

[TemporalLich]

VOTE: Vaxkiller

Apparently the minimum deadline hasn't passed yet and the rules are unclear if quickhammers can be undone before the minimum deadline.

still, screw me this game as I've managed to act the most scummy in a game like ever. and yes I consider Day 1 a no lime even though the lime failed.

[TemporalLich]

if Korina is town vax is a fakeclaimer and therefore is scummy (not necessarily mechscum - just scummy for fakeclaiming an investigative),

if Korina is groupscum vax is very likely aligned with Korina

if Korina is cult that means vax trueclaimed and is mechtown

Regardless of what happens TemporalLich is scummy for quickhammering.

[TemporalLich]

this is the worst consequence of skipping a ppedit (that is, preview preview edit or a pedit after a pedit) I've ever seen in a game

also isn't Guesser a targeted role?

[TemporalLich]

I'm pretty sure it is, because Guesser was a targeted role in Grand Idea GPick

[TemporalLich]

how do you know Korina is Cult then?

and don't say because I quickhammered him

[TemporalLich]

...I go away for 4 hours and you people... jesus fuck. After I specifically said there's no reason to rush through the day, and we should maybe consider how best to sort everyone involved in this SNAFU? Fuck sake.

Korina has been quickhammered but the gist is that at least one of {Korina, Vaxkiller} is scum.

Probably both, especially if Korina is groupscum.

pedit: my branching plan still works in that case, though that makes Korina 1000% cult if you're right. In that case it's probably a good thing Korina got quickhammered

[TemporalLich]

VOTE: Korina

just in case votes aren't locked after quickhammer this is me putting the quickhammer back.

[TemporalLich]

yeah, look at TL's GIM and you will know why I think dilemmas suck

[TemporalLich]

and consider that was also the game with the

Spoiler: open if you want to lose your sanity

Twilight Extender

[TemporalLich]

prodge, don't know why prod timers are so tight...

anyway the plan is if Korina flips magenta vax is trueclaiming number cop

VOTE: End Day

[TemporalLich]

should probably make an actual post so I don't get hit with a prodge

but if korina flips groupscum (not cult) vax is also groupscum via association

anyway we should end twilight, there's not much I need to discuss as I already have D3 planned out regardless of Korina's flip.

[TemporalLich]

Nope, I refuse to waive.

and this is why twilight extensions should be ended on

majority

, not unanimous vote.

[TemporalLich]

I mean you're technically right but in the spirit of things you can't tell me 67% is comparable to 1200%

[TemporalLich]

or 100% for that matter.

like really all my posts in this twilight are just prodges tbh, just want to stay active

[TemporalLich]

yeah we are set for tomorrow

the mean is around 87 fwiw

[TemporalLich]

I'm not sure how I can rationalize mahi being a guesser besides that mahi gained princeliness through shenanigans

and it wouldn't have been an Effort Saver in that case

pedit: not sure but Raya thinks that you were culted so YMMV

I can't tell either way from the ISO skim

as for the bigger quesation idk, that will be another point in favor of town vax when korina flips magenta

[TemporalLich]

Difference is Raya is out right lying saying I defended Korina.
I never did that, I was going by my result and calling Vax scum.

Raya is playing a narrative to suit, I'm going for whats realistic.

you did have Korina as top read in one of your lead rists in Day 1... however that doesn't make sense if Korina culted you Night 1 and Raya is saying you are still defending Korina

so yeah Raya is scummy and is a good idea for a D3 vote assuming nothing happens in N2 (which likely isn't the case)

[TemporalLich]

afaik couldn't find much Korina/VFP interation Day 2 so Raya is lying

pedit: yeah you're the cultist raya

[TemporalLich]

I tried culting Vax. It didn’t work. Nobody claimed to have RB’d me, so he’s groupscum.

forgot about this

raya is still a SR for not sounding right though

[TemporalLich]

VFP feels town on the other hand

[TemporalLich]

UNVOTE:

Discussion has reignited so I am unvoting.

Not sure who to believe here, I doubt Korina has any incentive to townside when Korina's the only cultist.

There's an unusual tone shift on VFP starting from 1126, skim their ISO for more info but yeah VFP has suddenly started getting into setup spec.

Raya doesn't strike me as town however.

So here are the possibilities:

Korina tried to cult Vax - Not sure why Korina would townside here
Korina culted Raya - more plausible as the shift happened at D2 but kinda LHFy
Korina culted VFP - Still a strange tone shift after Korina revealed that they were a cult leader. Feels like openwolfing if true.

[TemporalLich]

Could this come from a townie realizing he misread Korina big time or from a converted player trying to appease us to avoid his elimination next?

Yes

[TemporalLich]

as for the bigger quesation idk, that will be another point in favor of town vax when korina flips magenta

We found the second wolf.

yes

[TemporalLich]

on a more serious note that would require Korina to be lying about their target

Raya is probably the best elim tomorrow

pedit: yes

[TemporalLich]

yes I'm posturing, I'm trying to point out that discussion is up on the table again and that Raya is probably the best elim absent any info from Night 2

Korina is probably cult but I don't think Korina is honest about their target, that's what leads to a town Vax existing

VFP is most likely cult if Raya isn't

[TemporalLich]

korina claimed elite cult leader - a tracker would not be able to tell

[TemporalLich]

the ability to enter Day 3 with a clearer head?

idk my role is a Day action

[TemporalLich]

At this point it purely is people looking for a good potential NK and I'm not here to entertain that.
So if you're town, save it for the morning.

I mean sure but people think I'm scum anyway so I need to townside more

[TemporalLich]

how is that a fish?

like what the heck I said my role is a Day action

[TemporalLich]

the ability to enter Day 3 with a clearer head?

Nice trying to ignore this part.

I'm not disputing that.

[TemporalLich]

you're in the PoE, and you trying to inhibit posting is scummy

pedit: Your D1 and D2 game don't match, you're in the PoE with Vax and VFP, and your elim will easily resolve VFP

ppedit: honestly if I were a cult I'd target a strong town but not the strongest town

[TemporalLich]

the ability to enter Day 3 with a clearer head?

Nice trying to ignore this part.

I'm going to quote this again.

You're now the one I'm voting for Day 3 because of this.

How the heck is gathering info rolefishing? I'm not looking for role info, I'm looking for info on who to vote D3... and ironically you've provided me with the info I need.

You are scum trying to attack me instead of defending yourself.

pedit: idk I don't read that intently myself

[TemporalLich]

VOTE: End Day

and this is to anyone who thinks I'm bluffing about that

[TemporalLich]

What is “PEDIT”?

Preview Edit

I add that to respond to posts I see in the preview, it is important because my lack of preview editing caused Korina's hammer. Think of a Preview Edit as like the abbreviation P.S.

and ppedit stands for "Preview Preview Edit", think of that as like P.P.S. (post postscript)

You're now the one I'm voting for Day 3 because of this.

Calm down, I thought you was asking if I clear someone day 3.

I don't know your role and honestly we have enough roles claimed right now. More would just be good for scum.

but yeah I want to vote inside {VFP, Raya36} tomorrow as I don't think Korina is truth-telling.

pedit: I've modded TL's GIM and Raya and Vax were in it but not VFP

[TemporalLich]

pedit: Your D1 and D2 game don't match, you're in the PoE with Vax and VFP, and your elim will easily resolve VFP

That was at me?

yes

[TemporalLich]

Ok then there's a couple things I don't understand.

Why doesn't my D1 and D2 match?

How would my flip resolve VFP? I flip town and then what? You believe what I say a little more even though I could just be wrong?

1. different tones mostly]

2. if you weren't culted VFP likely was, and vice versa

[TemporalLich]

VFP was cult apparently

This means Korina was indeed not truth-telling, but the spicy NK leads me to believe Vaxkiller is groupscum.

[TemporalLich]

All I know is that this clears Raya a bit, unless Vax ends up not groupscum

yeah Vax needs a result thingy today

also Vax's role exists as groupscum, so I am not convinced Vax is town especially with the choice of nightkill.

pedit: Vax has an extremely strong town role. Either the game is multiball and a Doctor exists or Vax is groupscum.

Regardless I have no strong candidates for voting, and Raya is a townread via mechanics ("mechtown")

[TemporalLich]

This is a uPick but I think cards retain alingments

I am pretty sure VFP was shot by scum with Vax in it... but a Vig is a possibility that shouldn't be overlooked and it isn't the Occam's Razor defying Vax was protected by Doc and the game is definitely Multiball.

If I had to guess right now.

mahimahi+ - WW
Flea - town
Raya36 - scum
TemporalLich - town
Guillotina - cultist
Korina - town
Almost50 - town
KidAmn - town
Nono - SK
samantha97 - town
CaptainS - scum
Vaxkiller - scum

This most likely comes from town!VFP, unless Korina was able to act in pregame lol

then again Korina flipped cult so I would take this with a pile of salt.

[TemporalLich]

I am pretty sure VFP was shot by scum with Vax in it... but a Vig is a possibility that shouldn't be overlooked and it isn't the Occam's Razor defying Vax was protected by Doc and the game is definitely Multiball.

doctor protected successfully 2 nights in a row? or vig holstered night 1? and multiball with... aliens? multiball based on what?

By Occam's Razor defying I mean that it would take a lot of assumptions for the multiball assumption to be true.

I don't believe in that but the Vig shot makes more sense (especially if you assume a gated vig - but that still requires a Doc to make sense).

Vax is groupscum is the hypothesis that requires the least amount of assumptions, but "the game is not multiball" is an assumption that applies here.

[TemporalLich]

if we're resorting to reads instead of mechanics Vax is still scummy

[TemporalLich]

Yeah, the more I think about it the more that kill makes sense. That eliminates all the suspicion about the cult stuff including the mechanical guilty of Korina not being able to cult him

yeah

VOTE: Vaxkiller

Vax's ISO looks scummy, I scumread Vax on Day 1, and now Vax is a scumread via mechanics ("mechscum")

I am leaning towards it, yes. I obviously can't rule out a Town Vig (who was sane enough to holster on N1)*, but I don't think there's a Doctor in this game.**

* I don't even know if there are Novice roles on the GIM thread, and I'm not sure about there being an Even Night Vig either. EVEN if there are; I don't think anyone deliberately picks either of those, so IF there's a Vig then they holstered by their own choice.

** I also don't see anyone picking Town Doctor in a UPick. Like, everybody knows Scum roles will have as much powered roles as they could, so strongman or "unstoppable" kills will exist. Also it's hard enough for the Doctor to outguess the Scum, and even more so when it's possible the game is multi-ball (meaning you could stop a scum kill on a different scum faction member, thus acting anti-town in effect).. etc. All in all I personally wouldn't pick Doctor if I saw the option.

But -since my mind just loves to go places- let me tell you that your question here triggered something inside me. It could be that a Vig made that shot and that you are group scum and thus you are lowkey hunting for that Vig without having to say "If a Vig made that shot please claim". Yes, I know "The Razor of Occam" suggests it was a simple question and not that convoluted, but I can't help my mind thinking otherwise.

Spoiler:

yeah I currently believe Vax is scum, it helps that this is read-based as well as mechanic-based.

Novice Vigilante doesn't appear in the GIM thread but X-shot Vigilantes do. Even then this is a UPick and ungated Vigilantes exist. So a Doc must exist for that to be likely. Even then, a Strong-Willed Vigilante exists!

Doctor is a simple role but it isn't that flashy. There are flashy protective roles like Divine Protector however. Doctor is a simple role and a uPick is for to play that role you always wanted to play and Doctor is a Normal role.

... maybe but I feel that's an innocent question

pedit: I had the exile as {Raya, VFP} as in I'd exile either one.

and I really think Vax is scum instead of assuming the mechanics are a clear when we don't even have a fegging claimed vig or role cop (yes Korina claimed vig, that doesn't count)

[TemporalLich]

well Vax is a stronger version of a role cop but I mean a role cop that isn't Vax

pedit: experience is really blundering skillfully when it comes to Mafia. It's an innate thing I feel.

ppedit: Occam's Razor says you sus

[TemporalLich]

I got a result on someone. It's like a completely useless role. Like why would you choose that?

Due to the VFP flip, there is likely no bus driver so i feel confident in my info.

obvious rolefishing bait here

[TemporalLich]

I don't feel massclaiming is a good idea if we have a very good idea of one groupscum today

we'd just make the groupscum's job easier

[TemporalLich]

I can claim my role because the groupscum already know it though

[TemporalLich]

my reasoning for not wanting to massclaim is that I'm pretty sure Vax is scum for the blatant rolefishing

if we have a good idea of a scum today without a massclaim, we don't need a massclaim today

[TemporalLich]

we are not mass claiming when Vax is still groupscum

[TemporalLich]

I can claim my role because the groupscum already know it though

You like really want me to be scum huh? Despite all the signs pointing to no.

NKA and rolefishing are the signs saying that you are scum

[TemporalLich]

exactly

massclaiming today will give very little benefit to the Town while basically giving groupscum the setup

[TemporalLich]

you realize even if rolefishing is your meta that Night Kill Analysis still implicates you right?

[TemporalLich]

I would consider rolefishing to be a "subtle action" as opposed to my blatant remarks.

How the hell does Night kill analyses implicate me???? Because I'm alive?

This is why I checked you temporal lich, you were pushing me so hard yesterday and you really wanted to believe I'm scum. There is so much telling you and everyone else I'm not, but you refuse to believe it. If you choose to flip me, my town flip will be on YOU, not me.

you're a claimed investigative who can investigate both role and alignment.

You'd be a high value target. And unless someone is a Doctor and a Vigilante, you're necessarily groupscum.

pedit: Guillo's ISO is devoid of content but Guillo is still not as scummy as Vax who is openwolfing

[TemporalLich]

besides, if you've really ran out of shots the fact you're still withholding the alignment is another point for scum!Vax

[TemporalLich]

Lich... tell me with a straight face you think Guillo really thought he was hammered there

Vax may be scummy for other reasons but he's not 100% scum like Guillo is. I'll outline why it's so obvious when I have some time later

-mahi

Yes but that doesn't make it not a performance.

I'm not going to rolefish you. I'd be willing to hammer Guillo, but Vax is scum via NKA that's impossible to deny (and also not outing the check (which would make alignment clear) when Vax is both claimed and also out of shots) and that's more important than a contentless ISO and a scummy fake hammer performance.

besides, if you've really ran out of shots the fact you're still withholding the alignment is another point for scum!Vax

lol

Would we be having this conversation if I thought you were scum?

Thought I said you were town.

Let it be known that Vax provably lied about checking me. If Vax actually checked me they would KNOW my alignment and not have to guess.

[TemporalLich]

Your claimed role is a 200% clear for both alignment and role...

[TemporalLich]

sure, if your role is a 200% alignment and role check and you're not only claimed but also out of shots I don't understand why your first D3 post isn't just outing your results

pedit: if you thought I was cross-aligned scum and you were scum that's good ability usage

jester-reading or LHF-reading me, that's something that would benefit Town more than scum

ppedit: I'll check that a little later but yeah CaptainS would be in the PoE for now

[TemporalLich]

I am 85% sure, I am confident that Vax is scum but there is still doubt as this is mostly based on NKA. I am afraid I could be wrong but my role is confirmable anyway. And I explicitly don't want a massclaim.

[TemporalLich]

@raya36 @TemporalLich @KidAmn

What are your opinions on CaptainS performance so far in this game?
What do you think about my case on him?

CaptainS is a low effort lurker who posts content but very infrequently. Pretty sure the effort that does exist is fake.

Your case is pretty great... basically describing what I think of CaptainS... their lurking is working.

pedit: yeah guillo is not someone I townread but the case is a pretty solid case on CaptainS lurking and fluffposting

and idk but I am inclined to believe mahimahi isn't an ungated exileproof

[TemporalLich]

CaptainS's new read list feels Town

[TemporalLich]

@Lich: can you give me a tldr on why Vax is scum based on NKA? link a previous explanation if required

-mahi

Vax has claimed a role that can confirm someone's role and alignment and can't be fooled.

Vax is still alive and yet VFP (a cultist dolphin) is dead, which is an unusual night kill for scum as it benefits the Town at lot.

Vax refuses to out their results and instead resorts to rolefishing, despite being

claimed and out of shots

.

[TemporalLich]

The easiest explanation for the NK is of course Vax is scum, though this is Grand Idea and it's not like a Doctor or other protective role and a Vigilante or other killing role exists.

Or a redirector or Bus Driver for that matter.

[TemporalLich]

ebwop: "exists" > "can't exist"

yeah I am triple posting here but I flubbed the second post

pedit: what the heck am I reading?

[TemporalLich]

of course Guillo, I'm a confirmable role in the Day, just I need to wait for an opportune moment to actually use it without wasting my ability.

and an alignment confirmation benefits the Town anyway.

pedit: lol

[TemporalLich]

I'm not refusing, u want me to post it number? I asked u already and ur just ignoring me

yes, you are a claimed depleted investigative that's impossible to fool and learns both alignment and role.

[TemporalLich]

and yeah I know redirector-type roles can screw with the NKA but you're an investigative

[TemporalLich]

VOTE: mahimahi

CaptainS I'd wait on voting as I am pretty sure with effort CaptainS will look town.

mahimahi however is scum trying to distract us now.

You picked your own role templich. Are you sure you want me to post the number? Cause think about what im trying to do here.

Also I feel like I dont talk THAT much, but maybe I hit the post button alot.

New rule get a thumbs down from me. But hey, its an experimental rule....

yes, post the number. it's your main saving grace and if NKA implicates you at least be able to walk away with a clear.

and yeah I will have to post less.

[TemporalLich]

have you not seen mahimahi's latest posts that just consist of "mahi"?

they might be trying to bait the elim again but I think mahimahi is a good elim

CaptainS I'd really wait for, and Guillotina is also a good elim but I feel guillo is getting townier

[TemporalLich]

you're a strong SR but the trend is positive

regardless I'd still put you in the PoE guillo, but I'd rather vote someone who's scummy and not getting townier

[TemporalLich]

My PoE contains {mahimahi, Guillotina, Vaxkiller, CaptainS}

Raya's suspicion went away with the VFP flip.

A50 and KidAmn both feel Town to me, doesn't mean I don't want to wait for CaptainS to post what they promised to post in 1333 and 1337. I am willing to vote for CaptainS in case that doesn't happen however. However I still think CaptainS is scummy based on right now.

Vax posted my number in 1378, it is indeed my role.

VOTE: CaptainS

Solely a pressure vote, I really want CaptainS to post cases or at least some reasoning.

[TemporalLich]

Vaxkiller I'm most willing to take off the PoE mostly because the role is a true claim, and the other part being a positive trend in my reads.

But yeah I mostly scumread Vax for NKA, not reads. I still want to hold off on a massclaim considering mahimahi and CaptainS are strong scumreads.

[TemporalLich]

wait frick I just realised 1323 and 1335 are contradictory in a little bit

though it is indicative of the rising trend I think CaptainS has.

KidAmn is town mostly because of an ISO skim and more general behavior, 1323 is probably the best post to encapsulate that however.

A50 is also towny in the same way (ISO skimming), 936 feels like the most shining post to me.

[TemporalLich]

I mostly SR you because of the Korina push... which isn't warranted because Korina flipping flipped elite cult leader.

I also SR you because of the sheep performance, and this is still warranted. You actually voted NO ELIM ON DAY ONE because of this. I will not forget that. That's got to be the worst play on Day 1, and I've seen it happen in a NEWBIE GAME.

You're about as scum as someone I still keep in the PoE because other choices would make less sense (yes even Samantha).

Samantha is not a strong TR for me, samantha is what I consider null. Scum for that whole NO ELIM ON DAY ONE thing, but town for having near perfect reads and town mindset.

mahimahi is scummy and I don't want to risk eliminating an ungated Prince, CaptainS is scummy and I don't want to quickhammer

[TemporalLich]

You voted no elim in 583

[TemporalLich]

Yeah, it was mainly performance but no elim day 1 is still not a good idea

[TemporalLich]

I wish you a speedy recovery CaptainS.

You have no reason to scum read me, my scum read on Korina was accurate and my vote ended on the Prince.
And if you look into my ISO you will see that i do not disagree that no elimination is a suboptimal play, hence why i ended my sheeping gambit and voted to yeet Mahi.

Please do not put words into my mouth.

Yeah you ending the gambit is towny but the gambit looked trolly and voting no elim was indeed a bad idea.

I still SR you a little bit but you seem to have town mindset. This is a good post.

[a really long catchup post I don't want to show in full]

This catchup seems to heavily be based on Day 1 Guillotina.

It looks like a fluffpost but there's a lot of effort in it.

And yeah this is a role-based uPick, you generally want to go for a role you always wanted to play as. This is a nullcase on Guillotina, so I will count it as the post I've asked for. Fluff isn't that scummy but if there's all fluff and no content - that's a problem. The catchup does point out good posts from Guillotina so it is clear CaptainS is reading the game intently.

Very good post, I will remove the pressure vote.

UNVOTE:

CaptainS is no longer in the PoE

mahimahi is the scummiest but ungated Prince still scares me (Vaxkiller, if mahimahi was your other target please out that result as well)
Vaxkiller is almost out of the PoE, the trend is very upward and 1401 is no different.
Guillotina is also very upward in trend.

Because of this I have completely unvoted, I will provide a lead rist soon.

[TemporalLich]

I will also put mahimahi in the tent.

Intent to Hammer

I would also like a claim that isn't a lie please.

[TemporalLich]

still waiting on that mahimahi claim...

[TemporalLich]

yeah but I don't want to quickhammer like yesterday

[TemporalLich]

look I'm just waiting for mahi's claim

I can hammer any minute now

[TemporalLich]

VOTE: mahimahi

I don't have time for this.

[TemporalLich]

if you're an ungated Prince I've already lost the game.

[TemporalLich]

no if you're still alive after the hammer I'd literally have to pray for multiball or Vigi existing

[TemporalLich]

mahimahi has already been yote

I was the deciding vote

[TemporalLich]

fun fact: I submitted a role that actually qualifies as "technically town" in my free slot

[TemporalLich]

Yeah but mahi would then be the only reasonable elim and we'd be screwed

We have no plan, mahi is 90% groupscum, there is a non-standard roleblocker, we need to elim the roleblocker regardless of alignment

[TemporalLich]

I am confirmed NOT roleblocker so don't elim me

[TemporalLich]

NKA tells me the roleblocker probably isn't Town though

Pedit: that's a non-standard roleblocker, idk if it is in GIM

[TemporalLich]

Roleblocker, alien, tomato, tometo

We might have to consider massclaim today.

[TemporalLich]

I mean if I got blolerocked it's not that big a deal for me

[TemporalLich]

VOTE: samantha97

Claimed roleblocker, I said I will elim the roleblocker

regardless of alignment

.

[TemporalLich]

Yeah we have a scum prince, the roleblocker is blocking the town win con

[TemporalLich]

Yeah we have a scum prince, the roleblocker is blocking the town win con

did you check how my role works before saying that

No but I can confirm you are indeed blocking the town win con and therefore need to be elimed today

No massclaim yet.

[TemporalLich]

I am assuming you are true claiming and mahi is scum (not a benign third party)

Pedit: yeah idk

Ppedit: if we are 200% sure who to elim today we don't need a massclaim

[TemporalLich]

I'm against massclaim because samantha claimed town naturalist (the blolerocker we are looking to elim regardless of alignment) and the claim is credible

said role is most likely the reason guillotina is getting returned grenades, and this inadvertently makes guillo's claim credible (confirmed if samantha flips)

The only thing that seeds doubt into this is the fact that mahi could be a benevolent third party (still not technically town though)

[TemporalLich]

all will be explained but it’ll have to wait until tomorrow

- mahimahi

btw, this is the post that got mahi hammered

I saw it as an intentional refusal to claim

[TemporalLich]

you can't say that I'm ignoring guillotina's role when I literally mentioned "said role is most likely the reason guillotina is getting returned grenades"

That's why your claim and guillotina's claim (irresponsible army surplus) are both credible

pedit: if that's true then the correct elim is sam

scum will know not to NK sam as that's stopping the Town from winning, cross-aligned scum will likely do the NK

ppedit: I will do a lead rist because it will be important if we are forced to massclaim

[TemporalLich]

even if mahimahi was mafia our win condition is not solely to kill them

and by ignoring his role I meant ignoring its full breadth

there is one action in the army surplus that isn't a kill - but that won't help us as that will just give mahimahi fruit vendor powers (it will just make the game even more trolly)

Sam isn't stopping our elimination are they?

no, sam is not stopping elims. Mahi is most likely a scum prince.

no for some reason he is saying the only way for town to get rid of mahimahi is if guillotina is allowed to grenade them, and that mahimahi dying is definitely part of our win condition

your claimed role stops all non-factional killing actions

We'd have to bet on cross-aligned scum shooting mahi - that's literally a Kingmaker scenario

Or we'd have to bet on mahimahi being a benign 3P like a survivor or unjester

pedit: it won't work according to sam's claimed role

[TemporalLich]

it stops all but one

so that's why I mentioned "cross-aligned scum shooting mahi" as a 95% unlikely scenario that would allow for mahi to die while sam stays alive

[TemporalLich]

also whoever silenced guillotina is scum

[TemporalLich]

yeah but we still have zero groupscum accounted for

[TemporalLich]

Lead Rist:

samantha97 (Conf Town)

- Credible role claim supported by NKA and Guillotina's claim. Despite being top read, a good choice for the elim because of mahimahi scummy princeliness

Guillotina (Townlock)

- Credible role claim supported by samantha97's claim. Do not elim here. Ever. Not even once. Not even in another Dimension. Not even in another timeline. Not even in another realm. Not even in another flune. Not even underwater. Not even underlava. Not even if the Astral Demons see you. Seriously, don't do it.

Raya36 (Townread)

- Very towny poster, the top read in the PoE.

Almost50 (Townlean)

- Most likely to be the deepwolf.

Flea The Magician (Nulltown)

- My read stays constant here. Still think fae are towny.

KidAmn (Null)

- Initially a moderate townread by me, near zero scum equity (as in KidAmn has a strong scummy aura) drops this some places

CaptainS (Nullscum)

- yeah still scummy sorry to say, hope you feel better CaptainS

mahimahi (Scumlock)

- scum prince, not town but could be benign 3P. though benign 3P is wishful thinking

[TemporalLich]

samantha is a passive roleblocker

[TemporalLich]

4: Guillotina's vote will still be tracked, but it doesn't officially count during this day phase due to the activity rules. This does not lower the execution threshold.

I missed this

anyway sam is at E-2 right now

[TemporalLich]

anyway we have to pick a poison

do we elim the conf town and allow guillo to blown up mahi

do we hope we are in multiball and wish for the scum to NK mahi

or do we pray for mahi to be benign 3P

if we pick 2 or 3, I am willing to vote Almost50 (deepwolf very likely) or CaptainS (lowest read that isn't mahi)

[TemporalLich]

guillo should probably use the assault rifle instead of the blown up to mitigate that if we are doing option 1

it is a 50% chance to strongman after all

pedit: I don't think so, but there are alignment-locked rerolls and shenanigans

if you are 99% confident that mahi is an alien (which is still groupscum but it can't be used for the groupscum pick) then Option 2 is likely a good option as we are 99% in multiball

ppedit: if guillo fakeclaimed town is losted

[TemporalLich]

wait a minute

the salt rifle might be able to bypass the whole naturalist thing

VOTE: Almost50

[TemporalLich]

I switched to A50 after some strategic consideration, mostly guillo has an ability that could bypass the need for eliminating the conftown blolerocker

I get the deepwolf part from an ISO skim, it looks towny but not something that couldn't be scum

[TemporalLich]

the reason is that guillo has a salt rifle and that has a 50% chance of being a strongman and potentially shredding samantha's roleblock

[TemporalLich]

samantha occupies the weird slot of "conf town, but a net detriment to the town"

though this is only because of the scum hammerproof

Guillotina (Townlock)

- Credible role claim supported by samantha97's claim.

Do not elim here. Ever. Not even once. Not even in another Dimension. Not even in another timeline. Not even in another realm. Not even in another flune. Not even underwater. Not even underlava. Not even if the Astral Demons see you. Seriously, don't do it.

see this for anyone who wants to elim guillo

[TemporalLich]

Well now I'm targetting Guillo.

guillo is mechtown and also potentially has a 50% strongman kill

[TemporalLich]

Do we force massclaim or not?

If we have a solid plan, no massclaim.

If we don't have a plan of what to do today, we massclaim.

[TemporalLich]

CaptainS is scummy but has high scum equity

A50 is towny but has low scum equity

idk which is better, A50 has strong deepwolf vibes but still has towny posts, CaptainS feels like newbie town to me.

[TemporalLich]

We need you dead first.

what you keep arguing for is the same as voting for who you want out but worse

I know you want to use your role but your arguments aren't logical; you actually agree with me about mahi but are arguing the opposite

just vote for who you think is mafia

very low scum equity post

VOTE: samantha97

[TemporalLich]

very low scum equity post

are you saying you think I'm mafia?

yes I think you're scum

[TemporalLich]

if you're scum you're probably a roleblocker who managed to find the best fakeclaim ever

[TemporalLich]

but you are still conf town with very low scum equity

pedit: came up dry

ppedit: or maybe you found the best fakeclaim ever and deserve a medal

pppedit: salt rifle is a thing

[TemporalLich]

if we elim someone in the PoE guillo can still use the salt rifle

the question is should be looking for deepwolves or someone who's more clearly scummy

[TemporalLich]

Sam's claimed role means it needs to be scum who do I

With the plan telegraphed it would need to be cross-aligned scum

[TemporalLich]

Aliens will win all ties though

[TemporalLich]

Do not vote guillo

Seriously, guillo is both mechtown and actually acts town unlike TL or Sam

[TemporalLich]

Also I highly suspect we have lost majority due to guillo being silenced