electoral college mafia (now its done watch it go)

[T3]

idk how fast these games are supposed to go, this is my first MS game where I have survived past D1 but we could be cruising towards a player abandon.

[mastina]

I think you townread Moz. Can you help me with why?

Aside from setup groupspec on the {mozamis, Momrangal, Vaxkiller} group being all town, there is the rather more notable effect of mozamis's contributions to this game. Prior to your replace-in, mozamis was actually the slot I would say was giving the most effort to this game, efforting the most. Effort != alignment, but the nature of the effort makes it incredibly likely to be from town. I could see a clear trajectory in game solving, basically throwing mud at the wall to see what sticks and then latching onto it, but also with reassessments and reevaluations and "herpderp that was stupid of me" moments present that all resonate with me as being highly likely to be from a town player.

VOTE: Auro
@Mastina can we do where we agree on Auro?

Sure, I'll get caught up and check the votes when caught up to see about it.

[mozamis]

Have i been miselimmed yet?
Gotta complete the set!

[mastina]

Just noting to search for "confirmable" in Mastina's completed games to check if she's ever used that to coast to endgame as scum before.

I'll save you the time; I don't like as scum, and thus, have never done so as scum before.

I'm a Doctor+Rolecop.

night 1: Momrangal was a

town combined jailkeeper mailman

day 2: VFP was a

town simple doctor

On the one hand, with a lack of a vig, I don't see why scum would need a combined doctor-rolecop or why scum would fakeclaim it, but on the other hand:

A rolecop makes a ton of sense here more as a scum role than a town role, and between the flipped roles and knowing there is an odd-night alien (who admittedly could be scum in theory but if I were forced to choose between them and Auro being scum I'd say Auro was the scum every single time), this is an incredibly suspicious claim.

I find it odd a top townread and a scumread have the same read list. What do you think Mastina?

I don't--Auro has consistently avoided voting bugspray in spite of listing bugspray as a suspicion. Distancing without bussing is a thing.

I'd be far more inclined to think Auro was town if his suspicion on bugspray was backed by a history of voting the bugspray slot. Instead it's the opposite; he's literally gone "I suspect X Y and bugspray" and then voted either X or Y the entire game. That was actually one of the main contributing factors to me thinking he's a bugspray scumbuddy in fact.

Spoiler: To wit,

This leaves the relatively large pool of {Ledunistus, Outworlder, Bugspray, Tris, Randy Savage, Vaxkiller, Anya}.
If there's a vig just shoot Randy. Tomorrow's lim I think I'll prefer {Bugspray, Ledunistus, Anya} as lim candidates tomorrow.

He was voting Vaxkiller at the time.

{Ledunistus, Outworlder, Bugspray, Tris(?), Vaxkiller}

Instead of bugspray he votes Vaxkiller.

In fact he's never voted bugspray; he's voted the likes of flow trap, Anya, Tsutsu, and more, all the while listing bugspray as a suspect but never voting bugspray.

[mastina]

The odd night alien didn’t block me and didn’t block Mastina.

Which is reason for them to be town, not for them to be scum.

I have been rather vocal about having a visiting role; you still had a shot left on your track; visiting either of us while protecting us would've blocked those roles.

I got a message along with the alien block.

In fact a target of Auro makes perfect sense.
IF Auro is town, then in spite of all the suspicion on him, he's a good nightkill based on his skills as a player, and he fits the modus operandi of the scum kills, fitting the pattern of Momrangal N1 and Xtoxm N2 (and for that matter Almost50 N3 although obviously the alien wouldn't have that N3).

IF Auro is scum, then he is a good block, both due to the chance of being the one performing the nightkill AND due to him potentially being a rather notable scum PR. (Which if he is a rolecop he probably is.)

Night action target selection-wise, I'm far more confident in the alien being town in their choices than Auro, since Auro's targets are rather sus.

[mastina]

Mastina, thoughts?

Enchant is a poor replacement as they seem to be ESL and a newbie to boot replacing into a game with a reasonably complex mechanic and are probably over their head and may or may not have gotten all of their role information from schadd--all indicators that reaffirm my townread on the slot, because if Enchant were scum, the needed documents would be in the scum PT recorded there and Enchant would have three scumbuddies capable of informing Enchant about things which have happened.

Ergo, Enchant is locktown from being a replacement that has no knowledge, whereas if Enchant were scum Enchant would have access to that knowledge.

[mastina]

Considering my role there's no way all of those claims are town.

Yeah, sorry, MathBlade, but I'm not voting Auro right now; I'm never leaving my vote off of bugspray until they hardclaim and even then when it's inevitably a scum fakeclaim I am yeeting them for it.

[mastina]

Anyone else read the last few pages and feel like there's some vague resistance to Vaxkiller, with people trying to rush a Bugspray lim?

Actually I got the exact opposite impression: there's been resistance to a bugspray elimination the whole. damn. game. and people have been trying, largely successfully, to rush through other eliminations. flow trap D1. VFX D2. Anya D3. And now Vaxkiller D4.

[mastina]

Mastina, are you confirmable without a rolecop?

Yes, tho a rolecop wouldn't do any harm.

[bugspray]

mastina are you confirmable by investigative roles other than a rolecop?

[MathBlade]

VOTE: Bugspray

Vote stays until they give reads.

I kinda have reasons I can’t say yet Mastina but I think if we work together as a team and reflect you might see why Bugs and Auro are likely opposing alignments.

Like I think there’s a bug + Vax group that’s the same alignment
And a Moz+Auro that’s the same alignment
I scumread all of them and don’t think they’re all four a team
But goddamn I don’t see how people just spam Moz town for effort
Ever since I got in Moz setting off my scumdar.
Like bad.

[T3]

[votebugspray[/vote]
Vax bugspray and Flea have basically 0 interaction with each other and Flea is looking more and more scummy to me at this point.

[bugspray]

okay at this point im gonna hard claim traffic analyst

[MathBlade]

Okay and....

Hard claims come with actions

And still no reads *yawn*

[bugspray]

n1: i target momrangel and get that she can communicate at night
n2: i target anya and get a can not communicate at night
n3: i target auro and get a can not communicate at night

[T3]

That is a lie.
1
. bugspray claims to have oly visited people who confirm their role.
2. What possible reason would you have to do mom? She was already a pgo protective claim.
3.
bugspray never voted Anya. If you lnew Anya was lying, why not claim and vote her?
VOTE: bugspray

[bugspray]

ok idiot

[bugspray]

How do you explain my crumb?

[bugspray]

wow! 6 pages to

car

tch up

First line of my first post I subtly mention the first thing that comes to mind wrt traffic

I thought Mom was lying and got the positive bi expected but apparently she was dead

[MathBlade]

How is car a crumb?

I don’t get it.

This reads like scum memeing.

[bugspray]

car are what make up traffic

[bugspray]

Are you deadaas trolling me and accusing me of memeing?

[MathBlade]

I don’t troll often but when I do it is obvious.

This just doesn’t seem like a crumb and your play doesn’t match your claims.

[bugspray]

I'm not a conventional player

[bugspray]

Aldo have you read my signature?