Sunny 2: Rules of Im-peachment - Over!

[Gypyx]

eh, i mean, if it's a solid reason even if the rest was wrong it'd be interesting but i get it

VOTE: Murdersunny

farewell ASSASSINATEKITTEN

[Gypyx]

does that mean i'm an absolute fool?

[Gypyx]

well, you should never live to exelo imo, and you clearly say that you're burned out, so idk what more ya wanna hear

[Gypyx]

also yeah that wasn't hammer

[Gypyx]

Titus thought it could be Gypyx from taking a look at the VCs

also do you have more on that?

[Gypyx]

yeah but like, only me as a suspect? and she doesn't even bother to explain it a little bit? cmon titus, you can do better than this

[Gypyx]

mind argumenting how he cannot be paranoiad? i'm curious

[Gypyx]

I'm not scum by the way, so the game is continuing. Do whatever you want with twilight considering that.

this feels so fake tbh

[Gypyx]

also norra take a chill maybe

i don't think this kind of reads from you are the greatest tbh, worries me a bit

pedit: that's true tho

[Gypyx]

also based on noraa's recent comments, i belive we shouldn't listen to her in matters of setup spec

[Gypyx]

i mean, i rather see him just being scum trying a big wifom as he lacks the energy to townspew

and if your solve involves 5 scum, it is most likely wrong

[Gypyx]

i care because it's wrong

[Gypyx]

Hmm I swear there was something confirming that this game had 4 scum.
I will review some things to determine my vote on murder. I'm expecting someone to vote him before I complete my review.

it was the normal

and i think i'll just bail that conversation with noraa

[Gypyx]

i got

springprince peach
bottom text

prob to find if scum secretely vended me a peach or smthing

[Gypyx]

UNVOTE:

feeling cute, might revote later

(gtg and i don't want hammer to happen in the meanwhile)

[Gypyx]

Please don't let Maria live to endgame.

VOTE: MURDERSUNNY

Hammer me Gypyx.

Does scum do this as the last scum left??

ATE? Why not? He knew he wasn’t E1 and he’s pretty obviously going today unless something drastic changes.

Yeah AtE seems like the play here if he's scum
I'm just not sure it's the tact scum Murder takes. It's not like they are no other elim options, people have expressed interest in Maria and Gypyx

well, is there any other way for scum!murder than to try to make a big play ? cuz he also needs to dodge the next 3 exes, and idk, i think i'd bet on doing something so outragous i'm tr'd for it

also, him "thinking" he got hammered feels extremely fake, and he was obviously keeping up with the vc so it's kinda weird

[Gypyx]

ofc idk, if we have a mech reason to let MC live i'm fine with letting him live for a day or two

[Gypyx]

i can die tbh

disagree about being the scummiest tho

[Gypyx]

also ftr i used to vend redglobe peaches before the moderror

murder, you'll do your VCA stuff soon?

[Gypyx]

murder, you'll do your VCA stuff soon?

Yes

you're a bear not a cat

[Gypyx]

there a thing called *sleep* ya know

[Gypyx]

also, intent to hammer (it's hammer right?) if anyone want me to answer MS's stuff on me i can do it

[Gypyx]

yeah nah i wanna answer that case

i'll have to go back to sleep but gimme like 12 hours, should be enough

[Gypyx]

VOTE: Noraa

awww why'd you roll scum

Easy vote

yes, that was an entrance vote, peoples rarely go on a hard serious push with those

plus the only way to sort noraa is emotion, so like, lol

huh okay

i think their reasoning is scummy, but applied in a towny way so it's ~fine~

I feel like this is a scum thing to say to justify getting off a bad read

not understeanding this one so idk, feels like it's stretchy to me tho

VOTE: cheetory6

what's pinging you?

This interaction went nowhere after SB responded.

maybe 'cause the answer was 300 posts later and i just didn't find answerable stuff / lost interesting? idk

People are legitimately scumreading me?

mostly that you're painfully null compared to your postcount

if ya got any super duper town post i'd be happy to have it pointed out though

Immediately walking back a scum read

ah yes, because only scum has changing viewpoints / a team to confront opinions with and see if their reads are just craziness

mostly that you're painfully null compared to your postcount

Ok, so you think I am scum trying to look good by highposting then? Bad method to get a read tbh.

Noraa, if you think I am scum for "bad faith approaching you", then I think you need to reconsider that read. I just don't want you to get away with doing nothing. Sure, you might think that me accusing you of that is surface level, but at the time, you really weren't doing much.

nah, it's more that like, if you were town, i'd expect you (including anyone else) to say something towny, here idk if i just can't see it, but your ISO is nullville to me

Same here.

same answer, although i don't feel proud about this post tbh

and also that i don't have anywhere else to go tbh lol

lolwut

no one pinging me basically

Pooky does nothing with this.

you think it's worth a push? if so why didn't you push when i posted it

wait wtf where does that spring wagon comes from

Oof

spring wagon came from basically nowhere tho

and pretty sure i don't just stand there completely static as scum just saying "huh, that's a quick wagon

well, i'm gonna trust the peoples with meta on mwb so far VOTE: Cheeotry

cuz what has been said so far + this post

I'm not gonna not vote someone if I think their posting is scummy-looking just because it comes right after a vote on me. Lol.

overjustificaton imo

No substance here.

sorry to not make 5 pages long cases / have any super ultra strong tr's my guy, agree it's kinda scummy but that's all

Sup y'all

Iv has a TR on mwb so imma leave him be UNVOTE:

Dunno where to go next though

Forgetting where his vote was? Also has no idea where to push, waiting for town to do something.

forgetting where my vote is is a thing i do as town as I said before, i'd even argue it's more likely to happen to me as town but whatever

love that conclusion tho

has no idea where to push = he's scum waiting for town to eat himself while his buddies are getting pushed, man, i'm so big brain scum

So just pressure?

I can get behind that, don't expect me to stick around if his answers are decent though VOTE: zaiden

Fake pressure, setting up the hop off the wagon. Not something I think you say if you think the person you are voting has a chance of being scum.

ah yes, deliberately making zaiden see he's not being really pushed by me, t'was prob a bad post, but i could've definetly sticked to him in a parallel universe

Cake and Maria are scum together

VOTE: Cake

VOTE: Cakez

i can get behind that

Pure sheep

yes

[Gypyx]

would like to remind that i pushed MT and also was pretty consistently feeling average about pooky, which is like, idk, a super hyper risky plan given that SB was getting pushed?

idk, feeling like me and murder leave in every universe so really go for what y'all prefere

[Gypyx]

hmmm, what i tried doesn't look like a towncase to ya?

i mean yeah true only the second message but like, i'll try okay

[Gypyx]

'ight i'll try, what do you think about the points i already brought up? (goes for rhe rest of the game)

[Gypyx]

5202
I actually think Gypyx's scumread on clidd might have been too good to be true.
Of course, I don't want to scumread people for being too good, but I normally don't see people scumread for making six ok posts and then replacing out without relation to the game.

i got an SR on clidd because MT was pinging me, and while discussing with my team, iv went "clidd has also pretty weird posts"

so no, that's far from me seeing clidd's 6 posts and being "ya this is scum, bring forth the holy hand grenade"

[Gypyx]

Okay, I've been living under a rock and only just caught onto the situation in Texas. Stay safe, Jingle. Hope you, your friend and your family over there make it through no problem.

Thinking back on interactions throughout the game, especially the steep dropout in activity, I can accept that Murder is within the POE range. But the way Murder is saying vote Gypyx after they die makes me think it might not be them? I dunno, I really hesitate when people go in with a death wish in real life because it's quite often townie frustration rather than scum resignation. But you can't read these things like tone/body language on an online game. So I'm gonna have to go with unsure here. But if people reckon town Murder would fight his way out of being wagon'd, then I reckon this resignation is rather damning. However, I just feel that MariaR has been so much scummier this game. If this game is four scum as people have posited, I've already given my prior reasoning for believing why it's MariaR. And I'm not convinced by the counter arguments suggesting why she might be town. Maybe I just don't know her well enough. But I find it crazy how many people are giving her a pass for behaviour I perceive to be obv scum.

Going back, my biggest gripe with Murder's kamikaze proposal which makes me doubt them is that I don't think it's Gypyx due to how he was focused on the Clidd/MT slot. Gypyx was the one who highlighted Clidd's meta being indicative of the slot's scumminess before Pink Ball caught Morning Tweet out - which is something I definitely didn't know and assume many others didn't either. I don't think scum would bring their partner into the spotlight like that. Especially when MT was universally middle of the pack read back in D1 until PB exposed her. Also the fact that MariaR voted Gypyx. I distrust her and I feel compelled to innately believe in the person she's voting for.

by the way zaiden, there's only one scum left, so for your last paragraph, if you think anyone is scum, that means everyone else is town

[Gypyx]

The only things I found compelling about murders ‘case’ on you were the awkward interactions scum had towards you, tbh, and I don’t see any way for you to debunk “it was weird that scum had a detailed read on a bunch of players but called gypyx town with functionally no reasoning.”

If you’re town here, you should focus on two things: litigation of your strong reads and pointing out things that make you strongly town. If there’s something that isn’t being considered that strongly makes you town, that’s worth bringing up. But honestly, a better use of your time would be trying to explain the things you feel strongly about that will matter if we do flip you.

Do you have a strong scumread on Noraa? Why? What discounts the mountain of circumstantial evidences pointing to Noraa town? Where do you get the pings that Noraa is a deep wolf looking to endgame?

Do you townread Maria? Why? Is there some interaction where scum just treated her in a way that would be unnatural for a buddy? Some push she made that we’re not considering?

Honestly, the latter is more useful than the former, because by their nature at this point, all towncases have to be either genuine or correct (or both).

i see, busy rn but will do

[Gypyx]

by the way zaiden, there's only one scum left, so for your last paragraph, if you think anyone is scum, that means everyone else is town

Is this TMI? Maybe not? This is stated in such a matter of fact way though

Mafia Role PM

You are a Mafia Goon.


Active Abilities:
1. Voting. You may vote during the day for who will be asked politely to leave.
2. The mafia team has a factional nightkill. Any of you may carry it out.

Passive Abilities:
1. You know that XXX, XXX, and XXX are your mafia partners. You may talk in this Private Topic at night.

You win when your team has a majority or nothing can prevent that from happening.

[/spoiler]

[Gypyx]

idk, would be pretty fucking misleading imo

plus, 5 scum seems overkill to me

[Gypyx]

well, it's a known fact yes, and i'm informing him of it

don't see your point tho

[Gypyx]

would be really surprised to see any of : mwb / S_S / zaiden flip scum

[Gypyx]

well, it's a mech clear around him also being watched by cheet, and the fact that pook tried to sell the narrative that they're both scum

jingle i don't have strong townpings on, although it's hard to get reads in this gamestate, maybe he's scum, probably town though

pedit : damnit cat person stop stealing my points

[Gypyx]

S_S was watched on spf N1 alongside monty / MT

[Gypyx]

SS was watched by Cheet? Which night was this? Hmm I do remember Pooky pushing SS/MT though. That's a good point.
My townread on Jingle mostly comes from 1251 because I have never seen scum vote their buddy without giving any reasons.

that vote was done when SB caught heat though right

[Gypyx]

hmmm

@jingle

because he was the deepest scum probably? unless they were informed of double watcher, although no that doesn't make sense, pooky was the deepwolf then

[Gypyx]

how were they not playing against a tracker? like imo, pooky would probably be a good performer of the kill if that was the case

[Gypyx]

how were they not playing against a tracker? like imo, pooky would probably be a good performer of the kill if that was the case

Pooky double targeted. If they were playing around a tracker, then he wouldn't have sent me a peach.

that's very true

[Gypyx]

so, towncase on me :

First of all,

well, i'm gonna trust the peoples with meta on mwb so far VOTE: Cheeotry

cuz what has been said so far + this post

I'm not gonna not vote someone if I think their posting is scummy-looking just because it comes right after a vote on me. Lol.

overjustificaton imo

i'd like to reiterate that forgeting who i vote / missing obvious stuff is something that i do more often as town than as scum, like i haven't done the math, but i don't think i ever went though a towngame without saying dumb shit once

random though but scum prob has an item theif

not sure i'd bring that up if i were scum with an actual item theif tbh

*throws a peach at gypyx's head*
can you come TR me?

nope, and don't make me feel compulsed to do so lol

(that's a correct phrasing right?)

i tried to crumb compulsive, which maybe kinda shows i thought it was important and that makes me more likely town? just by a bit

Spoiler:

okay so, the great maria wall aka : i spent more than 1 minute thinking about this post :

first of all, the early back and forth out of cakes

Hello hello did you miss me? I know you did. Anyway let us vote a wolf shall we? Here I'll start.
VOTE: Cakez

which like, this post comes after 14 pages of maria waiting it out, and yet she strats with a pretty much random vote, which like, i'm really not a fan of, especially how it's only retracted upon pressure

then there's the view on self meta, which i find incosistent with maria's acts, so that also leans scum

Spoiler:

It was mostly a joke at Cakez because I made the exact same kinda post at him before when he a wolf. I assume he guessed that given his lackluster reaction

pout

If you want my serious vote at the moment it's this:
VOTE: zaiden
I'm not normally the one to start spearheading wagons so I'll simply ask people to look closer at this slot and if you can see the few glaring flaws that me and 1 of my team members saw. (At least when I was ranting they agreed)

"i don't really push peoples too much"

Spoiler:

It's very amusing to hear that kind of argument since you couldn't get further from my personality if you tried. Anyway it's not like I'm going to be the day 1 fade. I can care less if you TR me or have me at null branch off me to more important matters unless you really find this so pressing.

how exactly is your personality so incompatible with these kinds of plays?

and yeah, doubt you'll be the D1 fade, but like, not a reason to disregard points made against you

I can not recall a single time in my mafia carrier that I as scum have stopped pushing someone because I was worried about the reaction/heat I would get from it. Take that as you will

and here, maria says she isn't afraid of pushing peoples, while showing reluctance to push earlier

actually

i retract that read

keeping the previous construiction as i still feel like it made some valid points, but i recalled maria as arguing about her general play, not her scum play

in that case, i'd even stretch that as +town

my maria wallcase, idk if i'd even get so chaotic as scum, especially while casing town

would like to remind that i pushed MT and also was pretty consistently feeling average about pooky, which is like, idk, a super hyper risky plan given that SB was getting pushed?

idk, feeling like me and murder leave in every universe so really go for what y'all prefere

[/quote]

and this



i think that's enough to show that i'm town, but if y'all need more i could try to read through page 2-3 of my ISO

[Gypyx]

maria, if murder me and you are town, who do you say is the scum?

[Gypyx]

everyone's fine with a maria hammer?

[Gypyx]

alrighty

[Gypyx]

it's fine we got 7 days, and it ain't like apathy isn't a problem already so whatever

[Gypyx]

idk what to think about that...

[Gypyx]

m'kay interesting kill

do we just go down with me / murder or massclaim time?

pedit : holy fuck, noraa is turning into a grandma

[Gypyx]

murder stole from me remember

[Gypyx]

(noraa)

[Gypyx]

lol

[Gypyx]

hmmm, maybe someone should stock up on peaches and see if you can do other stuff with more?

[Gypyx]

probably

[Gypyx]

VOTE: murdersunny

[Gypyx]

I don't love where Gamma is at in these VCs. I feel like Gamma dies for sure if almost anyone other than gamma is scum, right?
I think Gamma should claim today.

i don't get that logic

[Gypyx]

maybe you get better powers with bigger pies?

i hope at least

[Gypyx]

also midwaybear what was the thing you asked to your team btw?

[Gypyx]

EoD5

[Gypyx]

is half the game V/LA or what

[Gypyx]

i mean, i'm worried that we're getting to ElO too

[Gypyx]

tonight everyone should send peaches to me mwb or something like that to make sure someone can make a "6 peach pie" that I assume does exist and might be something like a doc who knows.

nightkill is a thing though

[Gypyx]

this night : one of the two die

next night, the second dies

unless it's day abilities

[Gypyx]

i cc, i'm a night 7 innocent child

[Gypyx]

he just said i'm town tho lol

pedit : oh wait, i have thoughts as of late? same could be said about litterally everyone brw

[Gypyx]

all onto the cc train

[Gypyx]

mwb I still think is town. I *think* Noraa and cake are town but please evaluate them all seriously in elo.

do you TR zaiden?

[Gypyx]

I think I would put SS and Zaiden a tier below cake and Noraa, I have reasons I think they are town but it's hard because I feel like I don't have a ton to go off

alright thx, and idk, it's zaiden's first game in a while so i would be quite impresed with him being scum

[Gypyx]

Five voted but the thread hasn't closed. Seems odd to me - loved/vote robbery? That said I would push for Gamma Emerald in POE over MurderSunny. I'm not going to be sending my peach over to Midwaybear. It's game losingly awful for two reasons off the top of my head. Scum either night lims MWB if he's town or MWB is scum taking us for a run. Nora, are you even town? Anyway, I believe there's a good possibility Midwaybear has hard infiltrated town. Maybe I'm being super paranoid about losing the game. But I don't think anyone else seems to be interested in this hypothetical scenario, so I think it's still worth discussing.

or just mod not being online 24/7 ya know

said the guy that takes two times a power we know is awfully weak instead of trying to give us better understeading of mech, i agree though

and idk, i think we gotta assume some peoples are town if we wanna have some sort of coordination, i'm happy about that assumption being on mwb

[Gypyx]

unless you have some direct reasons to scumread mwb, i'd rather have peoples send peaches to em' if they wanna

[Gypyx]

massclaim time, me goes first?

[Gypyx]

cuz we only got 2 exes left?

i dunno, that was the plan

[Gypyx]

nah let's massclaim first, nice gambit btw

me is CFV

[Gypyx]

vended to S_S this night if it's relevant to you Zaidy boi

[Gypyx]

Gamma / Cakez where are y'all guys?

[Gypyx]

guess S_S is CFV too but wanna confirm that maaaybe?

[Gypyx]

nope, but idk, zaiden seems to have some info

[Gypyx]

yeah not sure, thought that maybe zaiden was a tracker, but y'know

iv says scum is prob in gamma / cakez btw

[Gypyx]

probably that pies can give protectives / roleblockers?

[Gypyx]

i'm bored

zaiden, can you claim your result yet? i might have to actually scumhunt if this game keeps stalling

[Gypyx]

and no one wants that to happen

[Gypyx]

yeah no problem cakez

[Gypyx]

hmmm, this game

tbh, i'm not voting mwb unless one of you guys got some very interesting evidence on em'

we could always no exe today in order to vend more peaches and potentially get more ability shots going? that seems like a good thing to do, plus it'll prob clarify the PoE

[Gypyx]

kinda annoyed to not have thought of that earlier :/

VOTE: no PASTL (Politely Ask Someone To Leave)

[Gypyx]

yeah sure discuss, it's fine with me

idk what to discuss really though, my teamate is gonna re-read D1 but it's not like i'm at risk of being NK'd lol

[Gypyx]

if i die, don't y'all even dare to touch mwb

[Gypyx]

Well, I spoke with Unpod Tripod and well, I did have a tracker but they messed up and gave me watcher results 0_0

...

yeah i'm not even surprised tbh (no offense UT)

[Gypyx]

if i die, don't y'all even dare to touch mwb

Wait why not

Lilith and I both think he's scum

interesting, could you detail why?

think he's out of his scumrange and stuff personally

also angleshooting based off something mod has done, so idk if i should say it

[Gypyx]

What do you think was out of his scumrange

i'll try to make a develloped answer when i can, not really comfortable rn

UNVOTE: (in case y'all somehow rush things)

pedit : oh uh he did? well that's something more to add to the resume lol

[Gypyx]

potshots?

[Gypyx]

you sure we should claim that?

[Gypyx]

hmm

it would maybe help to know who to vend to yeah

cuz idk, doubt i'm getting killed yeah

need to think about that when not tired

[Gypyx]

what is there even to stall dude, it's just 3 in the morning and i don't wanna do stuff i'll regret

[Gypyx]

scum knowing who to kill

[Gypyx]

idk, like, i think i'm kinda outside of it?

correct me if i'm wrong

[Gypyx]

ah well, idk, no one bothered to tell me that i'm stupid so ya know, thought y'all just kinda agreed

[Gypyx]

anyways, got Harken / Rio Grande

[Gypyx]

Spoiler:

hello, best town player of the earth here, let's catch some red PMs

I like this opening post :3

man we're on page 11, opening are like 2019, everyone forgot about them

and also that i don't have anywhere else to go tbh lol

lolwut

no one pinging me basically

random though but scum prob has an item theif

i kinda like how gypyx is pointing out similar things as me, i've noticed it more than once now. for "lhf" slots, i think jake is a lot worse deserving of the criticisms

i have played, so so many games with noraa now, so id at least like to thin ki have an above random shot at it

@morning, can you link me some games/citations? i'll definitely look closer at your arguments and things if i can see those!

oh am i?

does anyone TR the teddy bear?

Read the game and look up for reads on him yourself

that would require actual effort though


ughhhh fine

Okay so for Mr.Pooky P. Pookster

basically, i find that pooky's focus on kanna is more likely to come from scum, as he just goes around claiming that kanna is obvtown cuz relations, which isn't that strong of a reason from an outside PoV, and yet, even with such a tr on her, i don't see any posts where he actually tries to cooperate or anything (sorry if that's actually not the case)

plus he's not being very pushy, which is relatively fine on it's own but it's too the point of over friendliness, which might just be how he is now that i think about it

basically feels like he's just stalling around trying to avoid making waves and getting the town onto him

Scum Pooky was very much laid-back and not controlling in TENET recently. He seems to be playing to that meta here.

because the entire game state was being controlled by Cabd and LLD so I had no need to take control at any point except D1 when I kind of did it for lulz.

and you kind of know this since you were in the scum discord with us that I was deferring to cabd pretty much the entire game so kinda mis-reppy for you to use that to meta me here?

by the way, you're dodging the more interesting question here, why would you do that as town?

.
Gypyx that is the most chaotic wall ive ever seen, i like it though and i think that you're right to drop suspicions on "Late RVS vote" and "self-metaing"

my paranoiad ass feels like this is pocketing, could you develop on why you like the self meta part?

btw Mr.Pooks, can you answer the concerns i had about you?

would like you to answer everything, but that's part of me worries ye

ok you can ask the other questions and I'll answer them.

I've played a lot of games since I've come back from a decade long hiatus,

My playstyle is not the same as it used to be, I've more or less been experimenting.

I've try-harded and taken over towngames and forced wins when it looked very bad and I've slacked and lost.

Two of the town!games I've tried insanely hard in were: Chara's Folly and Micro 960.

Both of them ended in town losses where I got mis-elimmed - both of them are largely my fault for taking over when I should not have and causing things to be worse for everyone else involved.

Two games that recently finished - College Basketball Players and Temple of Legends, I was town and I took a much more relaxed and carefree approach to the game.

In both games I did not push a single mis-elim through - I deferred to people that I respected. We lost one and won one. On reflection I think I probably could've won CBP Mini if I had taken over the game state and forced out the last scum - but I don't think it would've been enjoyable for me or her to play in such a manner.

I am happier to do less because this game sometimes has too many egos. It's about working together to solve a problem, not being the loudest voice in the room and insisting that you absolutely have to be right.

I'm not saying that way is definitely a high win-rate than my old style but I feel it is definitely more enjoyable for me.

Tenet for example as you know was really a problem for the town because too many town-side players had strong opinions and were not really listening to each other - that led to the scum being able to take advantage and town cohesion never actually happened.

ok fair

check the rest of the post i pointed out for questions but basically, why'd you not work with kanna when she was conftown to u

admittedly, spring breeze's claim looks towny in a vacuum

the issue is that i struggle to see the town intent behind hard softing a PR, knowing full well that it could give mafia information based on the way people reacted to it, only to retract the soft and claim a vanilla-esque role

it seems anti-town at best

i will say that my confidence in a SB scum world got shook a little bit, but i just dont understand how anybody playing from a town mindset would make that kind of play

like this first line:

"townie in a vacuum" is saying its townie, but only without the other things

then you go into "townie intent" but what's the scum intent?

Why can't she just be frustrated with the game state and being screamed at and just wanted people to give her some space to gather her thoughts?

anti-town at best the third line, its like saying its kanna's fault for messing up the way she claimed so even if she flips green here it's not your fault for mis-reading her, it's her fault for messing up here claim.

the final line is more hedging - and saying you can't see how a townie mindset could play like this as if the qualifier is on her to play to an exact townie model.

like people are people.

people are not robots.

people do not play exactly the correct line of play every time.

especially someone sensitive like Kanna who is getting attacked with unrelenting pressure.

So I don't see how you can be this unsympathetic and not see how she could possibly mess up.

and why can't she be scum collasping under pressure and playing incoherently

and why can't she be scum collasping under pressure and playing incoherently

Do you think town!kanna could possibly play like this?

I'm not even arguing my townread of her anymore. I'm arguing with the fact SPF is saying there's no way a town player could play this way.

maybe, but i'm not seeing the odds tilt in that direction

oh hey, i'm having MT as a slight SR personally, mainly for clidd's (slot he repped in) behaviour, and MT's ISO is just a huge void in my eyes

What's scummy about clidd's behavior, and why is her iso being a huge void scummy?

clidd basically dropped a buch of meta on you then repped out, and according to iv he has a meta of being a very good townplayer, but disliking very much being scum

so like, idk, i feel like if he was town, even if life had him busy, he would at least try to solve?

and by a huge void, i mean that i see him avoid taking stances / solving

list of all my interesting interactions with flipped scum, will add commentary later

[Gypyx]

@Gypyx It would be helpful if you explained what made you townread me (from two days ago).

missed that previously

you mean, real time days or game days?

[Gypyx]

well there's this thing called "slacking off" and i'm an expert in the matter lol

but ok, i'm off to sleep rn but promise i'll do it

[Gypyx]

uh

it's 23, i swear i didn't forget about that

[Gypyx]

yes but thing is, if we elim today, the person that we exed won't be able to vend a peach you see?

[Gypyx]

given that we have established 3peach pies are basically useless, i'd say so?

[Gypyx]

well no, because in that case, after elim / no elim, we'll be at 3 players, and unless we wanna bet on the pies being day abilities, we won't be able to use them

[Gypyx]

not unless it's something you can do without it being listed in your role PM, I just double-checked
all I have is my vote and compulsive peach vending

it's a thing you can do without it being in your role PM pretty sure

[Gypyx]

it's like we're all secretely inventors basically

let's not get into that too much imo, it just works

[Gypyx]

you can't *yet*

pedit : exactly

[Gypyx]

or guys

[Gypyx]

let's just discuss the exe now, but exe the person we decide tommorow?

[Gypyx]

to get more peaches

[Gypyx]

if we're in a world where like, 4 peach pie is actually something trash like a doc shot, i think we'll be really happy to have an extra peach lying around

plus ya know, no downside to it

[Gypyx]

who is rio grande / harken?

[Gypyx]

cuz i dunno if you can use duplicate peaches

[Gypyx]

SirCakez - Galaxy Donut
Gypyx - CreastHeaven
Zaiden -
midway -
Gamma -
S_S -

[Gypyx]

also am i the only one no longer seeing UT with a green name?

[Gypyx]

ah my bad, didn't hear about it

[Gypyx]

did y'all craft pies with duplicate peaches?

[Gypyx]

got hearken / rio grande

so Gypyx / Zaiden / S_S -> Cakez

Cakez / mwb / Gamma -> Gypyx

y'all ok with that?

[Gypyx]

he has 1 already iirc

[Gypyx]

why vend to ss?

[Gypyx]

yeah, but problem is he's not in the PoE

[Gypyx]

and we're banking a lot of the fact that the watcher came from a 4-fruit pie right now tbh :/

[Gypyx]

assumption*

[Gypyx]

yeah, but problem is he's not in the PoE

Scum can always kill him, and it is the best use for extra peach.

yes exactly, why don't we give to peoples that scum doesn't *normally* kill

[Gypyx]

Sorry, I don't understand?

basically, don't allow scum to make a 2 in 1 kill (both someone outside of PoE and a PR)

plus, i'm reiterating that we shouldn't assume 4 peach pies were watcher previously, that seems highly unlikely

[Gypyx]

Zaiden, Gamma, and I all essentially have no use for peaches at this point. Both you and Cakez won't have any use for peaches after tonight.
First, idk if SS even has enough peaches. Even if he has, if scum kill him tonight, it will be fine as it is the EXACT same outcome if we don't vend to him and scum kill him.

- no exe today

6p night, 1 dies

- exe

4 players left, cakez and me can use peaches

[Gypyx]

do i misundersteand your point?

[Gypyx]

wait no new plan, i think this is the absolute best play we can do :

today :

no exe

tonight

Gypyx / s_s / zaiden -> vend to cakez

Cakez / Midwaybear -> vend to Gypyx

Gamma Emerald -> vend to one of Gypyx / Cakez

that way someone end with 4 and someone else ends with 5

tommorow :

the person with only 4 peaches makes a 4 peach pie

both Gypyx and Cakez hypoclaim if the 4 peach pie is a track or not

if it is : the person with 5 peaches makes a 4 peach pie

if it isn't, the person with 5 peaches makes a 5 peach pie

we exe Gamma

hope this allows us to win the game

[Gypyx]

does everyone approve of this plan?

[Gypyx]

this plan should allow that

[Gypyx]

aw jeez that would've been go to know

[Gypyx]

I think he's pretty much confirmed 5 peach is changing from tracker (which it originally was phrased as) to watcher since he accidentally gave me watcher results instead. If Unpod Tripod won't publicly say anything about a mess up in the night, you'll have to take my word for it. But I can promise the way I was messaged, I had every reason to believe it was a tracker. And Unpod Tripod pretty much told me 'I f'd this up it was meant to be tracker'.

why did you think that?

[Gypyx]

let's just do what i planned but without the hypoclaiming part?

[Gypyx]

ah okay, fair

pedit : and wow cool, finally succeeding at something

would really appreciate gamma to check in

[Gypyx]

gamma is really busy though

basically what cakez said

nothing much more, game's getting quiet :/

[Gypyx]

he baked it my guy

VOTE: no yeet

[Gypyx]

that's why we should hammer no elim and move on

[Gypyx]

it's our best plan if we wanna have a shot at using PRs

[Gypyx]

heck no

[Gypyx]

(ftr i'd be against chain lims even if i wasn't the one getting chained)

[Gypyx]

this plan litterally guarantees a 1v1 or that we die by NK

zaiden / gamma might be town tbh

[Gypyx]

@Zaiden basically what Gypyx says
If both Cakez and Gypsy are town, this plan probably wins the game. However, if one of them are scum, their results will be invalid and we’ll get into a 1v1 situation on the final day.
That’s why I proposed a chain elimination between the two. I’m somewhat willing to bank the game on you, Gamma, and SS being town, but this probably won’t happen anyways :p
Once again, Cheetos watched me and Pooky visit the same person which makes it quite unlikely I am the last mafia.

could you quote that please?

[Gypyx]

oh yeah right, midway conftown then

[Gypyx]

Many thanks

we're also 3 days past deadline but that's just superfluous details lol

[Gypyx]

ikr

[Gypyx]

wdym? anyways i think we're no limming today anyways

[Gypyx]

like, dunno about it, but that *seems* like mod interference to me lol

[Gypyx]

welp, that's one paranoia SR taken care of

[Gypyx]

got me peaches too

[Gypyx]

3 peach : fruit steal

4 peach : it's a ~mystery~

[Gypyx]

instantly i think

[Gypyx]

Btw I was under the impression 3 is inventory viewer and 4 is the stealer. I assumed they were separate abilities.

they aren't dw

[Gypyx]

i mean, if scum went this far, them just lurking to endgame would surprise me !

although now that i say that...

[Gypyx]

wait uh crap you actually got a 4 peach?

i did too, and gamma's peach is missing ftr

[Gypyx]

so yup, we got nothing

[Gypyx]

I thought you were doing the five peach one

If Gamma did not submit a night action then it should have been RNGed since it's Compulsive
Who got it?

i thought *you* were gambitting lol

[Gypyx]

this is nearing angle shooting but doesn't this sort of clear the Gamma slot?

it does yeah !

and tbh i have no shame angleshooting, like, that slot should've been replaced ages ago

[Gypyx]

Damn the prods are lax here
I got 2 peaches last night

there are no prods

you gonna play the game, or ask for your team to replace you?

[Gypyx]

You don't get told who you targeted?

he's supposed to

iv checked the game, his prime suspect is zaiden, and then if he's town he has no clue

[Gypyx]

hmmm, actually i have a tinfoil about gamma being scum

but idk, as it's reliant on UT's modding being good / consistant

[Gypyx]

so heeey, you know when you say you'll do something, and then you don't?

anyways gamma : who did you submit?

[Gypyx]

VOTE: Zaiden

deadest game in the whole history of team mafia, let's shake this up maybe? idk

[Gypyx]

S_S town by virtue of watcher

gamma town by virtue of siteflaking during the night

that leaves me / zaiden / cake

[Gypyx]

S_S town by virtue of watcher

remind me what this is?

I'm still bugged by Zaiden's "I am town" comment but I also vaguely remember liking his early game? idk this game has been way too dragged out.

like, S_S visted the night 1 kill along with Tweetie

well idk, yeah his early game was good, but at some point, he never played scum here, so who knows how his scumgame is really

plus he had 6 players to help him do his best so...

[Gypyx]

6?

scumteam + team mafia team

[Gypyx]

or just anyone say something please

we all want this to be over

[Gypyx]

bleh

[Gypyx]

hey Zaiden, right now i think you're focused on the wrong thing, so why are *you* town, not why gamma is scum, not why S_S is town, we're talking about you right now

[Gypyx]

I know Gamma pretty well and I don't think he'd use false-flaking as a tactic...
Wasn't he missing sitewide too?

he was missing site-wide yes

also for the record, when *i* forgot to vend peach, UT didn't even bother warning me and remind me of night actions, so really Zaiden that doesn't mean much, i actually think that UT reminding you of night actions kinda points towards you being scum, as the mod is generally gonna pay more attention to scum actions

[Gypyx]

welp

we'll have to hammer at some point i guess...

[Gypyx]

deadline is also tommorow though

[Gypyx]

i'm sure you're the first one to have said that this was a towngame but okay
also, lying on that is probably the most pointless shit but okay lol

and anyways, for the record, i would NOT use someone's mental tiredness to get an easy push on them as scum

not sure what's even to answer there :shrug:

[Gypyx]

boop

[Gypyx]

well idk, with that activity, i'd even be surprised if we could do anyone else, not like i'd want to

i think we're breaking records for how long a player goes without posting also

thanks for talking in the game still cakez

[Gypyx]

ooooh, nice

[Gypyx]

does scum!SS visit someone the scum are NKing?

Well, yeah there's that, i litterally don't think that they do that in the ever history of ever

[Gypyx]

UNVOTE:

i'll try to give this actual thought tommorow, not feeling up to it today

[Gypyx]

VOTE: Zaiden

in case we're waitin g for me

[Gypyx]

gg everyone

what's a semi-godfather?