Micro 1003: Divide and Conquer - Game Over!

[Ydrasse]

i town

[Ydrasse]

[Ydrasse]

i refuse to kill a fellow neighbor today

[Ydrasse]

i dont care if we have a traitor i want us to pretend everything is okay

[Ydrasse]

say NO to voting NO face

[Ydrasse]

i have made my stance clear and i will protest!!!

[Ydrasse]

Norwee thinks Ydrasse is too weak for the harshness of love, war, and mafia.
Not evil, just a cuddly little animal to snuggle up to and tell that everything is ok. ^v^

THEN WHY DID YOU

SHOOT

ME??????????????????

YOU SHOT ME WHEN I WAS AT MY PRIME OF UWU

[Ydrasse]

i have made my stance clear and i will protest!!!

Guilty conscience bc u know that no face isn’t the scum in our group hmmmmmmm

im tired of all of this killing. it is only GOOD VIBES and FRIENDSHIP

[Ydrasse]

We should vote for the one who is acting like mafia

SOOOOOOOOO TRUE

[Ydrasse]

im wearing my little court fool hat right now with my bells, leave me be lest i lash out

[Ydrasse]

pogtop

Im going to k*ll you (in multidimensional chess)

[Ydrasse]

i think all of my cats would kill me before they would let me dress them up

except for .... the beast

[Ydrasse]

We shouldn't kill people Ydrasse! Mafia are the ones that kill people

omg so true....

[Ydrasse]

i do that every day tbh

[Ydrasse]

just do that in the main thread instead pooky

[Ydrasse]

only the secret club gets to see my true alignment

[Ydrasse]

i have it on high authority that no face is in fact no an alt.......

[Ydrasse]

I can talk myself out of an elim tbh

[Ydrasse]

I will be really sad and make you all feel sorry for me so you don't eliminate me

Stop stealing my personality i get you dont have a face but you cant take mine either

[Ydrasse]

Wait... wahts that....

siri, enhance

[Ydrasse]

I will be really sad and make you all feel sorry for me so you don't eliminate me

Stop stealing my personality i get you dont have a face but you cant take mine either

no face used a face guys wtf

[Ydrasse]

GUYS!?!?!?

[Ydrasse]

no please oh god please i'll take a plea deal

[Ydrasse]

WOOOOOOO

[Ydrasse]

<3 <3

[Ydrasse]

no face is hard town btw

[Ydrasse]

no face is hard town btw

No you're hard town

no YOUUUU are

[Ydrasse]

no face is hard town btw

Why?

said they were a communist in the neighborhood chat

[Ydrasse]

skitter would 1v2 if i was in there i just know it

[Ydrasse]

3p group: doing all this

6p group: music party

[Ydrasse]

skitter just townread me this game to make up for that normal :3

[Ydrasse]

skitter just townread me this game to make up for that normal :3

i'm not quite there yet but i will most certainly be more Judicious and Thoughtful in how i try to read you

i have a hard hitting secret i can share that will make you TOWNLOCK ME....

Spoiler:

i town

[Ydrasse]

Like, I was scum with murder and gamma in panic room, that was the dream scumteam. I gave my 100%.

PEdit: ydrasse I thought you were gonna put the lashing out gif in the spoiler

FUCK you're right

okay okay here oh god im panicking oh god here i have to throw it up now

Spoiler:

hehe got you

[Ydrasse]

i still cant believe you didnt BELIEVE me pooky

also hehe... townread right then... right... you want to townread me? (: haha

[Ydrasse]

Idk who I would want to kill in the group of 6.
Maybe yd?

i town try again

[Ydrasse]

VOTE: pooky

love u pooky

[Ydrasse]

(i read the game for once and no i don’t have things to say.) (this is a soulread) (i could be wrong but i feel okay right now about vanders, no face, mena, bingle, and skitter(?)(i always get gutpings from her i’m realizing and i think it’s how she types)(in theory i should vote infinity if this is the case but i like the reasoning for voting in the 6p and also early on before i even read i thought that pooky/skitter were never opposing alignments except if skitter is the s so i want to see what pooky flips and objectively i don’t think he’s done much besides push for killing in the bigpool)

[Ydrasse]

the strange thing is though, is that i’ve seen infinity get caught d1 as scum twice recently and i’m unsure if she wants to put herself in the 3p pool because of that? not caught by everyone i suppose but like, voted out d1 and then vigshot n1, so i guess caught by the people that objectively matter in a game

basically idk what it says about infinity showing up like she did and picking a fight with skitter, it’s a level of confidence that i find surprising given recent circumstances and i guess if she’s scum it’s what, a suicidal play to try to get skitter out and keep us from the 6p pool...???

[Ydrasse]

also ik the odds of them both rolling town together rather than scum is way higher but my paranoia on pooky/skitter probably won’t go away. i find so odd , but like.

so idk how much skitter likes scum basically but i can see pooky if they’re teamed being a gentleman and taking on the pool that’s harder to be in for her :>

[Ydrasse]

even if i think that most? people here rate skitters scum game as better...???? idk!

[Ydrasse]

also i would rather die than be in the 6p pool as scum and i think out of the three people in the other pool if i was scum my partner would be aware enough of the consequences of it all to take the bullet for me and be in there instead.

okay work time xoxo

[Ydrasse]

i’m the strongest scum player here tbqh

[Ydrasse]

don’t do that

[Ydrasse]

hatred

he feels different to me than he did previously as scum

[Ydrasse]

i’m awful at working without earbuds ahhhhh

[Ydrasse]

ye

in retrospect there were some really uhhhh obvious interactions he had prior that screamed scum

also wait

infinity shot vanders i think and

i am dumb

[Ydrasse]

>:V

[Ydrasse]

Happy cakeday Infinity!

WE LOVE YOU INFINITYYYYYYY

[Ydrasse]

the strange thing is though, is that i’ve seen infinity get caught d1 as scum twice recently and i’m unsure if she wants to put herself in the 3p pool because of that? not caught by everyone i suppose but like, voted out d1 and then vigshot n1, so i guess caught by the people that objectively matter in a game

basically idk what it says about infinity showing up like she did and picking a fight with skitter, it’s a level of confidence that i find surprising given recent circumstances and i guess if she’s scum it’s what, a suicidal play to try to get skitter out and keep us from the 6p pool...???

Good take, but this feels like ydrasse scumposting.

“good but scum” what?

[Ydrasse]

Wait which scumgame of mine besides we need a fifth which only kinda counts?

i was mistaken abt one of them

[Ydrasse]

“good but scum” what?

It's true but it's also a point norwee has brought up and the tone/writing style feels scummy for you. Your other posts feel the same way

I'm not sure why you're in the 6p as scum but yeah

“it feels scummy” WHAT about it is scummy

and what’s your logic for me vs a partner of skitter/bingle not being in it?

[Ydrasse]

like you’re just going “idk why you’re in there” instead of trying to figure out why or what connection could be gained from assuming that scum!me of all people is in here

[Ydrasse]

and ngl i don’t do this to myself coming off of the heels of another scum game

[Ydrasse]

you can say anything is wifom and i doubt a team of me/skitter relies on hoping people think of wifom to defend ourselves

[Ydrasse]

im not saying you’re calling me confscum? i’m saying that your reasons for calling me scum suck

[Ydrasse]

okay so we have

“scummy tone”
“wifom”
“ongoing games”

and then you’re like on play i shoot you

how are you that confident on that DESPITE saying at least part of my content is good?

[Ydrasse]

Ok but you don't know what my reasons are because I can't talk about them? You're just bringing up the obvious that yes it would be an odd play to put scum!you in the group of 6 but I'm not gonna stop scumhunting you as a result

Like if I had to vig someone in the 6p hood it'd probably be pooky/hectic not you because of mech but solely based on play? You're getting vigged

so

2 mech shots
2 scumreads in 6p pool

you’re disengaging from the strength of your skitter push while still affirming it somewhat in your responses to me

who do you townread this game?

[Ydrasse]

Why would it be weird for yd to be in the pool of 6?
Can someone explain that?

objectively i’m a weak scum player compared to this list

[Ydrasse]

Actually I can elaborate on the ydrasse read a bit, basically it feels like a stream-of-consciousness that scum would do to look town. Town!ydrasse doesn't naturally think/post in that way from what I've seen. Normally she posts what she wants when she wants, here it felt like "I need to post Good Content to look town"

PEdit: I already said? Norwee and maybe mena

If I thought jingle was more likely to be scum than skitt (which I don't) I would still being up possible skitt!scum worlds because that's a 40-45% chance so idk what you're on about

i can post good content as town you know this right? like i’m not just “haha lol one liner” and then disappear; sometimes i actually play?

and i’m talking about how you’re disengaging from the read wrt how you arrived today making it seem uncertain in some regard and then powering on with it without like. idk. feels like you’re faking worries while also being determined that this is your 1v1 without actually thinking about the game. also it makes sense to me if you didn’t know jingle to try and kill town!skitter and i think you’re using like “that’d be Crazy for me as scum” as a defense

[Ydrasse]

Who do you actually think is scum in the small pool yd?

infinity

bingle is fine atm, i’ve explained how i felt about skitter

[Ydrasse]

Ydrasse I know you actually play, I TRed you in ss3. You can play the game without looking like you're faking content

I'm not "powering on with it" by any means and I have no idea where you're getting that

I wasn't even the first player to bring up that it would be silly for scum!me to try to 1v1 skitt? And I don't know why knowing jingle or not would be relevant here. If I'm scum in the 3p I put in, like, you and vander. Seems like the level 0 thing to do for any weaker scum, so scum are probably? Two stronger players here but yeah

ngl that feels to me though like you’re saying i can’t be good when i post things as town? like genuinely i don’t know what town games of mine you’ve read where you’ve gotten this impression that i don’t do this

and it’s subtle, but present; there was one post i noticed w this that i’ll quote when i’m home/on break

as for that i’m saying that: it’s possible you have enough faith in your acumgame to try and 1v1 town skitter to remove her from the town as a benefit; not knowing bingle means that you don’t consider doing this as you’re unsure of how much of an asset they are

also like you can say who you’d put in or not right now but i’m taking it all as wifom about what scum you would do since that’s in fashion

[Ydrasse]

i didn’t exactly try to solve early in those games and my presence was mostly fun/spotty

this is more common of me when i’m engaged from the start and feel up to playing “properly”

[Ydrasse]

where did ppl go

[Ydrasse]

you are people!

[Ydrasse]

thoughts?

[Ydrasse]

Bingle would never roll scum

[Ydrasse]

sometimes it feels like people treat good players as unbreakable bastions that people wouldn’t ever dare challenge or go up against in any circumstances

[Ydrasse]

idk

there’s some part of me that’s paranoid that infinity was characterizing me as potential limbait (But Not Here) earlier in the game and then is pushing me now to make this look more justified off of weak reasons when she starts calling me scummy but i also feel like an insane person typing this

[Ydrasse]

sometimes it feels like people treat good players as unbreakable bastions that people wouldn’t ever dare challenge or go up against in any circumstances

I mean no, but if there's any possible way I can avoid it as scum then yes

do you really have that little faith in your scum game?

[Ydrasse]

why no face other than poe?

[Ydrasse]

i town

[Ydrasse]

infinity feels lost

[Ydrasse]

uhhh

i don’t... know i feel about your change of heart wrt skitter, to the point tht without interacting with her since the last time you did you’re willing to put her in the second towniest tier and bingle lowest without interacting with him either

[Ydrasse]

also i think bopping no face is very stupid because their postings been good

[Ydrasse]

yeah but we don’t see the progression at all you know? it’s hard to take “i’ve been thinking about it” at face value when it could be like yeah nothing there just moving to what’s convenient

(i’m a hypocrite though bc i do this too)

[Ydrasse]

also i think that writing off pooky as not being scum bc he likes to 1v1 is silly because he can still potentially do that in the 6p

[Ydrasse]

I think you should consider the current slots in the 3P group.
If any of Skitter/Bingle was put into the group as town VS scum!Vanderscamp or scum!Ydrasse they would likely get destroyed. So that means it is the scum strategy we need to look at. And that is that ballsy scum is in 3P and a endgaming scum is in 6P. And Ydrasse/Vanderscamp are both slots i could see being set up as potentially endgaming scum.

???

have you ever played with scum!me? what?

[Ydrasse]

i’m asking more why you think i would be the end gaming one

[Ydrasse]

@ydrasse, mena Do y'all think that me saying I was absurdly out of my scumrange in one night stand was just a lie? Or how am I playing differently to there

I think I'm townier here than I was in that game

i can’t really judge it as the mod, i knew you were town so my perception would be skewed i think :>

[Ydrasse]

i mean

it’s pro town if you’re town and we all decide you’re towny for it and don’t have to worry bout your alignment

[Ydrasse]

oh no

you’re sounding like me

[Ydrasse]

(no face, mena)
(vanders, norwee)
(skitter)
(infinity, bingle)
(pooky)

guys im doing it im solving

[Ydrasse]

vanders, to answer you from earlier: i've played with you before on an alt in underage gun control, and i very much think you sound different from there compared to here, so much so that i am willing to not reconsider this read right now, or probably the near future

[Ydrasse]

im obvtown btw

[Ydrasse]

im obvtown btw

Great, why?

read me iso

[Ydrasse]

i soulread no face as town, btw

he's using the same sort of thought processes/logic that he always does as town

[Ydrasse]

im obvtown btw

Great, why?

read me iso

No, I want your take.

My take is that you're not at all obvtown.

you lack familiarity w me, but i'm fairly unable to play like this and keep pace as scum, takes longer, my logic is a lot worse and seen through, more frustration/ate probably, etc, no face pointed out that i quite simply do not Give a fuck, or didnt, but then i started having fun doing things so now i am, and now im town for everyone to see

i soulread no face as town, btw

he's using the same sort of thought processes/logic that he always does as town

Maybe I'm more hesitant to trust this than I should be. Have you correctly scumread him in the past?

PEdit: pooky I know you're friendly as both alignments but "friendly" isn't usually the only word I'd use to describe your play in a towngame. I know you have a big townrange though

uhhhhhh no, i haven't actually played w scum!him that i recall, but... i have a lot of familiarity with his town and there's a certain logic behind the way he thinks about things in games that i'm like... finding it very, very easy to trace back as "he would think this as town, i can see the ways hes connecting a to b"

even without having a scum comparison, i think i have enough faith in how i read his games that i don't need the comparison to be sure, idk, i might be getting blown out of the water but i don't think that i am because it just feels like his towngame, and i think that it's even more commendable with the slightly strange way that no face types, because despite that barrier i still find it like... easy, it's just easy to see

so ye

[Ydrasse]

one day im going to, but this isnt the game i dont think :>

[Ydrasse]

i dunno, i considered that, but i think especially with the gimmick there would be disconnects , albeit small ones

idk, i just feel like i really Get how he works through things and i don't know how naturally he's able to replicate it even if he is a good scum player? it's hard to explain like, how he works through things but i just Feel it

[Ydrasse]

you lack familiarity w me, but i'm fairly unable to play like this and keep pace as scum, takes longer, my logic is a lot worse and seen through, more frustration/ate probably, etc, no face pointed out that i quite simply do not Give a fuck, or didnt, but then i started having fun doing things so now i am, and now im town for everyone to see

I believe this btw

Your hectic explanation is good enough for me for now

So if pooky isn't scum it's mena? Or mayybe vander

can you explain why pooky's town to me?

i think mena is pretty solidly town from his beginning, i haven't gotten any pings there but also maybe he is a ruthless pocketer or something

vanders feels very different to underage gun control when you look at his tone

[Ydrasse]

i dunno, i considered that, but i think especially with the gimmick there would be disconnects , albeit small ones

idk, i just feel like i really Get how he works through things and i don't know how naturally he's able to replicate it even if he is a good scum player? it's hard to explain like, how he works through things but i just Feel it

I think you're probably giving this read more strength than you should, it's very easy to be biased by things like this, but it's still a good reason to TR someone

maybe i am but i just feel through playing a lot of games w him i've grown to just Know what his towngame is, maybe i need a scumgame to be thrown out of the saddle but for now i'm good w townreading no face

[Ydrasse]

pooky, i basically feel the same way about you, am i scum for voting you? i don't feel like you've done anything this game that's towny, you gave us a ~plan~ but it doesn't feel like you've much done anything to facilitate that plan giving us good results

[Ydrasse]

VANDERS NO DON'T USE AN EXCLAMATION MARK OR I'M GONNA SCUMREAD YOU NO.

[Ydrasse]

vanders was feeling fine to me and then i saw the ! and now i'm like HMMM

[Ydrasse]

but also idk if he just that easily as scum goes "yep sure!" ya know

[Ydrasse]

i came around on you infinity because i had ... a soul moment too, where i felt your frustration and it felt like some i've had recently

[Ydrasse]

can you explain why pooky's town to me?

You didn't like my reasoning that they would likely be in the 3p hood. Anyway I'd probably be voting pooky if I knew I wasn't hammering, cbf to check the votes

Vander's tone feels exactly the same as UGC to me lol but I'm leaning town there anyway

This is my biggest concern of yd (although I buy their logic about why they are obviously town), I don't think I sound very different from UGC and I think your and mena's reads on me kind of confirm that.

there are a few posts that i look back on in retrospect and feel very fake with how you're like... it was how you interacted with mena and it involved the usage of ! and i was like cool, it doesn't feel like faux-chipper energy and the like like it did there, like you're not forcing yourself this time

if that makes sense

[Ydrasse]

sooooo true omg

[Ydrasse]

pooky, what's different between this game and nancy vs titus, by the way?

it feels like, generally, when you're town and someone you Like is town, you sort of don't immediately jump to thinking they're scum and start pushing them and trying to case; it feels like you call them silly, go "oh you're town haha and all your reads are good but not that one!" and you're not... doing that this game? there's a lack of silliness when it comes to the /content/ (because even when you were getting pushed there i feel you had a sense of levity in how you responded) and here it's just like you are more down to business, "he is scum he is not town with a bad read" and i want to understand what you think the difference is? because from what i can tell, you shouldn't be reacting like this to his read on you (at least, fmpov beacuse i think he's town) :<

i also have a tinfoil i will keep to myself that makes me think you are leaning more into scum

[Ydrasse]

Ydrasse is posting so many words and solves she must be scum

TAKE IT BACK

[Ydrasse]

that's right i caught you, posting a face

[Ydrasse]

Like literally explain to me why pooky is scum

Substantiate any actual reason for it based on his play so far

open your eyes.... read the posts........ you can do it mena i believe in you

[Ydrasse]

that's right i caught you, posting a face

This court has found ydrasse guilty of (1) count of manipulating the evidence by failing to un-select the "disable smilies" option. This is a repeat offense. The sentence is death by drowning in hearts.

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help me AHHHH

Spoiler:

[Ydrasse]

omg READ MY POSTS I'M CASING HIS REACTIONS

[Ydrasse]

No

Explain

How are you PoEing on D1 when like multiple people in 6p aren’t out of range? How does that make any sense?

okay then damn i'll drop a vote on u

i think you're town, no face is town, norwee is towny, vanders is probably town from meta, and literally what has pooky done that's towny?

[Ydrasse]

In the worst timeline mena is scum defending pooky knowing he's about to go down

surely that isn't our world ....

[Ydrasse]

infinity you feel feisty this game i LIKE it

[Ydrasse]

why are you being so stubborn about being townread

no face is, also, town. soulread as town.

vanders could be scum sure but i feel from underage that i get a different vibe and even if it's subtle it's enough to feel towny to me

and norwee i guess could be scum, sure, but he feels like he did in that normal

[Ydrasse]

infinity you feel feisty this game i LIKE it

Lol why didn't you like it when I was pushing skitt

we had our moment and now i will die for you.

[Ydrasse]

why are you being so stubborn about being townread

no face is, also, town. soulread as town.

vanders could be scum sure but i feel from underage that i get a different vibe and even if it's subtle it's enough to feel towny to me

and norwee i guess could be scum, sure, but he feels like he did in that normal

because i don’t think i’ve actually been particularly town so far

Or like I’m approaching this in a very similar way to how I’d approach it as scum, I guess

vanders is literally playing exactly as opportunistically as he did in UGC lmao? Like one incredibly blatant thing he did there was just put people to like E-1 or E-2 when they were viable for no reason, aka exactly what he just did to pooky here

No face is like, incredibly null off posting and that almost stretches into concerning if the hectic!alt assumption is correct

Norwee like could be scum but also could not be, he’s kind of concerningly fluffy

okay can i ask who you townread right now...? who isn't concerning?

[Ydrasse]

i dunno, i considered that, but i think especially with the gimmick there would be disconnects , albeit small ones

idk, i just feel like i really Get how he works through things and i don't know how naturally he's able to replicate it even if he is a good scum player? it's hard to explain like, how he works through things but i just Feel it

I think you're probably giving this read more strength than you should, it's very easy to be biased by things like this, but it's still a good reason to TR someone

maybe i am but i just feel through playing a lot of games w him i've grown to just Know what his towngame is, maybe i need a scumgame to be thrown out of the saddle but for now i'm good w townreading no face

this is just default townreading someone all the time lol

if he was being scummy i'm going to scumread him but.. he's not this game? he is Towny, like, idk, he's not some perfect player where town always looks like scum and i have faith that WHen That Day Comes i will be able to go to myself, "oh weird, this isn't the logic/process i'd expect, huh, what's up with this" and go from there but i've not been pinged to do that at all this game

[Ydrasse]

pooky, i basically feel the same way about you, am i scum for voting you? i don't feel like you've done anything this game that's towny, you gave us a ~plan~ but it doesn't feel like you've much done anything to facilitate that plan giving us good results

the plan says to let the 3 pool make the elim decision because of the constraints on the scum side and because the information generated would lead to a superior outcome even if we miss on d1.

idc about the plan i wanna know how you feel BEYOND that!!!!

[Ydrasse]

like can we just post READS and FREE OURSELVES

[Ydrasse]

why are you being so stubborn about being townread

no face is, also, town. soulread as town.

vanders could be scum sure but i feel from underage that i get a different vibe and even if it's subtle it's enough to feel towny to me

and norwee i guess could be scum, sure, but he feels like he did in that normal

because i don’t think i’ve actually been particularly town so far

Or like I’m approaching this in a very similar way to how I’d approach it as scum, I guess

vanders is literally playing exactly as opportunistically as he did in UGC lmao? Like one incredibly blatant thing he did there was just put people to like E-1 or E-2 when they were viable for no reason, aka exactly what he just did to pooky here

No face is like, incredibly null off posting and that almost stretches into concerning if the hectic!alt assumption is correct

Norwee like could be scum but also could not be, he’s kind of concerningly fluffy

okay can i ask who you townread right now...? who isn't concerning?

Basically u

BEGONE, I SHAN'T BE POCKETED LIKE THIS

(lov u xoxo) (no other townpings elsewhere, really? not even pooky?)

[Ydrasse]

hmmmm

[Ydrasse]

what other than the vote from vanders is scummy or is it just that

(fwiw i don't put much stock into who thought of xyz being optimal for town first as being actively towny bc with this setup i think scum are thinking a lot harder about how it works and probably reach that conclusion quick enough where it's not groundbreaking + it's going to be discovered eventually that it's best to lim in 6p so might as well out it)

[Ydrasse]

i guess we have a different in opinion because as scum i'm prone to helping for credit / trying to do the little things to build up a rapport, and ultimately i think that like yeah, it's one of those small beginning-game things to out "this is optimally how we approach this setup" that isn't like... THAT impactful in the grand scheme of things, i guess, but. idk. in this setup in particular scum probably thought a bit harder about it, came to conclusion, and it wouldn't surprise me if they doubled down on it after putting the thought in

[Ydrasse]

i will never be convinced to kill no face btw idc idc idc im doubling down on the townread and i am going to look like a fool if hes scum afte r this game but i've cracked the code where i know how to read him now!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Ydrasse]

I think there’s a lot of benefit to whoever is scum in skitter/bingle, assuming infinity!town, just sheeping the other’s reads as closely as possible

Why?

probs bc then it becomes a crapshoot i assume, killing in 2 that have the same exact reads

[Ydrasse]

if skitter is scum i feel for her coming back to infinity being lovingly embraced into the town

[Ydrasse]

if infinity has decided the time has come to pocket me... well..... words will be had

[Ydrasse]

he doesn't need it to survive but it's still nice nonetheless

i think another issue i have with him is that he has this really cool obvious plan, he is the number 1 fan for it, but i haven't seen him do a lot to like... see it to fruition to actually catch scum, which maybe im hypocritical bc lord knows i don't always do things, but idk, just feels like there's no passion there

[Ydrasse]

I think there’s a lot of benefit to whoever is scum in skitter/bingle, assuming infinity!town, just sheeping the other’s reads as closely as possible

Why?

probs bc then it becomes a crapshoot i assume, killing in 2 that have the same exact reads

I guess? But what if the other one starts SRing your partner? And it looks suspicious from jingle's side because he doesn't SR me/TR skitt strongly

i mean it works better in a vacuum imo in practice it's hard to fake esp since you'd be trying to stay 1 step ahead of who you think the other person would townread, and if your partner got scumread, yikes

[Ydrasse]

pooky, what's different between this game and nancy vs titus, by the way?

it feels like, generally, when you're town and someone you Like is town, you sort of don't immediately jump to thinking they're scum and start pushing them and trying to case; it feels like you call them silly, go "oh you're town haha and all your reads are good but not that one!" and you're not... doing that this game? there's a lack of silliness when it comes to the /content/ (because even when you were getting pushed there i feel you had a sense of levity in how you responded) and here it's just like you are more down to business, "he is scum he is not town with a bad read" and i want to understand what you think the difference is? because from what i can tell, you shouldn't be reacting like this to his read on you (at least, fmpov beacuse i think he's town) :<

i also have a tinfoil i will keep to myself that makes me think you are leaning more into scum

Well you can read in the mason discord, I said I thought Hectic's probly town because all of his scumreads except for me are the same as all of my scumreads so he's got the same approach to the game as me.

That's not possible to do here because there's no multiple other scumreads for me to use as a baseline to read him.

hmmm

i left the mason discord so i can't really read it :<

pooky

what are your reads right now? if youve given them can u quote them

[Ydrasse]

i will never be convinced to kill no face btw idc idc idc im doubling down on the townread and i am going to look like a fool if hes scum afte r this game but i've cracked the code where i know how to read him now!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

you have literally never played a game with scum!him so how would you know what scum!him looks like?

i don't but as it stands right now i feel assured in that, i understand how he approaches reading things, and yes maybe he can replicate it, but in this specific game i was able to identify his like... the way he reads things as town, that i have seen him do over and over, DESPITE the fact that there was a gimmick that i had to read past, which makes me feel especially good about townreading him right now

[Ydrasse]

he doesn't need it to survive but it's still nice nonetheless

i think another issue i have with him is that he has this really cool obvious plan, he is the number 1 fan for it, but i haven't seen him do a lot to like... see it to fruition to actually catch scum, which maybe im hypocritical bc lord knows i don't always do things, but idk, just feels like there's no passion there

yeh it’s nice but not worth just... not getting the cred and seeing if town successfully shoot themselves in the foot

again, when has pooky traditionally done that much to actually see his plans through? I think I’ve seen pooky kind of effort when pushing someone but mostly I feel like I only see him effort when he’s under pressure to not die

i dunno, risk/reward depending on the person

idk i think that he can is the thing, and i just have bad feelings about him not seeing this one through when it's a pretty slam dunk plan to have and nets the town a win and yet he's fine with Not seeing this one through. which sure he doesn't do others but in this case it's like... ??

[Ydrasse]

i'm going to beat you all up if you vote no face

[Ydrasse]

i will never be convinced to kill no face btw idc idc idc im doubling down on the townread and i am going to look like a fool if hes scum afte r this game but i've cracked the code where i know how to read him now!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

you have literally never played a game with scum!him so how would you know what scum!him looks like?

i don't but as it stands right now i feel assured in that, i understand how he approaches reading things, and yes maybe he can replicate it, but in this specific game i was able to identify his like... the way he reads things as town, that i have seen him do over and over, DESPITE the fact that there was a gimmick that i had to read past, which makes me feel especially good about townreading him right now

do you think his scum game is noticeably different from his town game?

i know you're going to think this is like, an insane person's rambling but yes, i don't expect anyone else to understand what i'm seeing when i go like, there's a way he thinks about games that i can identify from over time that very much clicks for me as town/not town, and i'm going to feel dumb the day that comes that he's scum against me sure maybe, but like. i feel even then i'll probably have some pings that make me go ? from him and i literally have no pings right now, zero, he's town and he's town beyond the gimmick

[Ydrasse]

STOP

[Ydrasse]

oh my god the one time i am confident and you all scorn me

[Ydrasse]

i know you're going to think this is like, an insane person's rambling but yes, i don't expect anyone else to understand what i'm seeing when i go like, there's a way he thinks about games that i can identify from over time that very much clicks for me as town/not town, and i'm going to feel dumb the day that comes that he's scum against me sure maybe, but like. i feel even then i'll probably have some pings that make me go ? from him and i literally have no pings right now, zero, he's town and he's town beyond the gimmick

The way he thinks about how to push an elimination as town is the same as how he thinks about how to push an elimination as scum. They are two sides of the same coin.

If it was different he would be caught as scum... The thought process doesn't change.

i genuinely don't think so, like i said i don't expect anyone to get it because i'm identifying like, something very specific i think that i can See as he posts/thinks through a game, there's this fluidity, and it;s here, and just

no face town

[Ydrasse]

I literally couldnt care less about the soul circle stuff, I’m just in a slightly peppery mood and seeing pooky reach E-1 for no reason was a provocation

Spoiler:

[Ydrasse]

@mena you're fiiiiine even if your reads right now arent!!

[Ydrasse]

this is MY time to shine

ydrasse is PLAYING THE GAME AND HAS READS

[Ydrasse]

okay some of my fire

is dwindling

[Ydrasse]

whenever i do this in a game i feel like a crazy person

[Ydrasse]

pooky, if you think he's trying to get just /an/ elimination, do you genuinely think he picks you as the person that he's after?

like, getting 1 town elim in the 6p pool does a lot for scum i think, so why not make it easier than you who will stand your ground?

[Ydrasse]

do you genuinely think he picks you as the person that he's after

i mean considering how pooky got to E-1

incredibly

easily this doesn’t seem so far fetched

sure you can get some early votes when wagons are pretty sparse but keeping the momentum knowing how much pooky will do against it...?

[Ydrasse]

pooky, if you think he's trying to get just /an/ elimination, do you genuinely think he picks you as the person that he's after?

like, getting 1 town elim in the 6p pool does a lot for scum i think, so why not make it easier than you who will stand your ground?

ok who is easier to push for him right now than me? :3

i think before this he could have went with like, vanders, maaaaybe norwee

[Ydrasse]

pooky, if you think he's trying to get just /an/ elimination, do you genuinely think he picks you as the person that he's after?

like, getting 1 town elim in the 6p pool does a lot for scum i think, so why not make it easier than you who will stand your ground?

ok who is easier to push for him right now than me? :3

i think before this he could have went with like, vanders, maaaaybe norwee

Yes, vanders who only i had expressed doubt about and who skitter and bingle, the widely ignored players that they are, had just towncased

we both know vanders is easier to push than pooky in this playlist

[Ydrasse]

? i don't think it's a weird thing to say given i know how stubborn pooky can be/can be good at Fighting in a 1v1

[Ydrasse]

do u need to talk in the neighborhood

pedit no no, go on, this is a healing zone

[Ydrasse]

i'm at something like:

ydrasse
mena
vander
pooky
nor, bingle - null/idk
no face
infinity

o:

[Ydrasse]

i dont understand how this became a 1v1

[Ydrasse]

omgggg pooky have you considered the fact that you maybe the stuff your posting isn't changing his mind like i feel like you're conflating "re-evaluating" as "must townread me" or something

[Ydrasse]

like literally that's how i'm seeing it rn

"oh he isn't changing his mind? he isn't REASSESSING AT ALL and it's scum"

[Ydrasse]

omgggg pooky have you considered the fact that you maybe the stuff your posting isn't changing his mind like i feel like you're conflating "re-evaluating" as "must townread me" or something

i wasn't even talking about the stuff I was posting Ydra

there's more than just 2 people playing the game.

thats the Vibe i'm getting from all this

[Ydrasse]

i know im speaking of my vibes

[Ydrasse]

no infinity

follow your heart

[Ydrasse]

no no keep GOING

[Ydrasse]

Norwee is an innocent child imo

[Ydrasse]

Fucked up if true

[Ydrasse]

Sorry for the harsh language

[Ydrasse]

*pops head in*

[Ydrasse]

@infinity/vander:
my mind is very like gamestate-oriented more than mechanics-oriented and the way they're arguing and how people are interacting with it kinda feels tvt to me - the pooky wagon grew super fast (and from my pov at least i know it's scum fueled because both jingle and infinity were on it) and once mena punctured it the tvt became a Giant Thing that's just kinda ~there~ but other than like vander nobody's really engaging with it and neither side is gaining traction - if it were tvs i imagine that the t half would be going somewhere but, like, that's not really happening.

scum are just kinda content to let it be a thing that's taking up space but dont' really doing anything abt it otherwise

if there's scum in the pair i think it's more likely hectic than pooky but i wouldn't feel very good betting on either rn, at least part of which is that i dont' think i've had a very good grasp on what's been going on; my apologies for being absent but i think that all of my extra vla stuff is over for now

@mena: i haven't the foggiest idea what the thought process was behind the 3p and i can't imagine why i'd make this group either. i also will not vote vander today and i dont know why you're scumreading him. he's literally flipbait and doesn't really have a scumpartner imo

skitt can u explain this for me?

i don't get why you think this because like... in theory if one of them is scum like, there's not really a lot of motivation much elsewhere that can get it going? like there's the scum in the 3p which... i think can't really do much without it being pretty overt right?

idk if im missing something simple but i dont think? in this game that scum can like... afford to do anything abt it to help their scumpartner if they wanted it? if that is tvs that is which, uh, idk, i don't think hectic is the scum in it personally :< (his frustration this game has made him all the more townier to me, honestly)

i still feel weird about pooky's replies, like something isn't clicking for me and maybe i'm tunneled but everytime i read his replies i feel like he's... idk... misrepping hectic a lil bit, even if it's not big things, but it just feels like he missed the fundamental beginning of why he was being voted and now it spiraled and yeah

[Ydrasse]

Yes thats true

but as infomation changes and your reasons are addressed/answered... you change your vote no?

if you dont just hand wave it and keep voting the same person...

pooky this is an issue i have w you this game

why does someone have to change their vote just because they engage with you?

like, honestly you’re getting frustrated where i’m reconsidering if you are scum or not but you seem to be like... trying to make it out like he is /obligated/ to change his vote after talking to you and it’s scummy just because he doesn’t think your reasoning is towny

[Ydrasse]

im the scum in the 6p tbh

[Ydrasse]

i'm not even ""pocketing"" you this time..!

[Ydrasse]

it's an homage to my only talent

[Ydrasse]

*twiddles thumbs*

so are we gonna resolve pooky/hectic somehow or are we going elsewhere or what is the move townies

[Ydrasse]

*twiddles hair* or *twirls thumbs* if you will actually

[Ydrasse]

i hate decision making and being trusted can someone scumread me

[Ydrasse]

i think it's pooky but i am going to cry if it isn't pooky

[Ydrasse]

freedom on the horizon

[Ydrasse]

why ydra?

throughout this entire Thing i really feel like... you're missing the points that are being made against you and trying to make it out like he was trying to kill you from the get go just because it was a poe vote, and i don't get how you feel like... idk, you're assuming that your explanations are some end all be all he must move his vote elsewhere and it just like. ugh. i don't like your responses to things basically, you feel like you're misrepping and warping things farther and farther from what they are? like saying that your reasoning is being handwave when it isn't, and in fact people don't like your responses in the /moment/ when you give those explanations only compound why you're being scumread

[Ydrasse]

and beyond that you feel so /different/ than the other games we've played and how you've forced this 1v1 that i really don't get your play this game if this is the town!pooky that i know

[Ydrasse]

and genuinely if it's not you i don't think it's no face and if it is.... >_____> but i don't think it is, there are little things here and there that have made him townier in my eyes and i really don't think he doubles down on all of this (because he COULD have just given you a tr at some point or something if he really wanted) because i genuinely believe he hates doing stuff like this and wouldnt put his energy into this sort of fight.... and also i think he'd be having more fun as scum, tbh

[Ydrasse]

like i guess it's... vanders ??? maybe i am just giving them too much benefit but idk i feel like they're Different but i'm also dumb as bricks

it COULD be norwee or mena but they've both felt towny... ugh

[Ydrasse]

I was more concerned because I thought you wouldn't kill hectic tomm after I townflip

i'm not interested in kill him if you flip town frankly

there is ONE very small tinfoil world where he's scum but i do not think that is the Case

[Ydrasse]

omg... townie mindmeld!?

[Ydrasse]

okay but here i'm actually engaged and have ~reasons~

farkran was just too cute for me to wanna kill tbh

[Ydrasse]

You wouldn’t right

Right

i wish i could play like this as scum i'd be fuckin UNLEASHED

[Ydrasse]

look

if you flip town i'll read through things again, but i can't promise you my mind will change on this one

[Ydrasse]

what's your solve again, pooky?

[Ydrasse]

maybe i have just uh, missed it or something, but it feels like you've been like 1v1ing instead of Solving It Up much but i guess from your pov you have at least 50% of a solve

[Ydrasse]

wait... let him post his last will and testimony in the neighborhood

[Ydrasse]

mena you're not scum right

[Ydrasse]

maybe i have just uh, missed it or something, but it feels like you've been like 1v1ing instead of Solving It Up much but i guess from your pov you have at least 50% of a solve

I don't think you've actually read my posts if you think I haven't been solving

i'll admit that i might be tunneled but idk

[Ydrasse]

i'll reread you if you're town pooky, promise

[Ydrasse]

hmm

[Ydrasse]

about to say something scummy here fr but i feel for the good of the Gamestate we need to get over this

[Ydrasse]

gg everyone !! i feel kinda good, about this game

but sorry to pooky </3 it hurt me to sus you

[Ydrasse]

STILL!!

hmph.

maybe i will try to be more active in games in the future..

[Ydrasse]

hehehe

beating you on multiple fronts

[Ydrasse]

STILL!!

hmph.

maybe i will try to be more active in games in the future..

It's a lot more fun when you post

<3

sorry for misreading you for a bit there

[Ydrasse]

STILL!!

hmph.

maybe i will try to be more active in games in the future..

It's a lot more fun when you post

<3

sorry for misreading you for a bit there

Me too, I'm now scared for my scumgame but c'est la vie

YOU GOT THIS

[Ydrasse]

@ydrasse, never change

<3

you EITHER mena!

[Ydrasse]

well, i could think of ONE change,

[Ydrasse]

i like pooky's change better actually

[Ydrasse]

CHECK YOUR DAMN MESSAGES