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In post 56, Infinity 324 wrote:VOTE: skitter this is the level 0 thing, I feel like I always get out-wined in these scenarios but yeah
Norwee has trouble pinpointing the reason behind why scum!Skitter would put herself in a neighborhood of three if she is the stronger player of the team. :/
Because she thinks she can talk herself out of an elim
We get some good info from hitting scum in the 3p group, though you might be right. I'll probably end up voting my top scumread no matter what though because my d1 scumreads are usually actually good
In post 114, PookyTheMagicalBear wrote:killing the scum in the 3p hood doesn't actually get us closer to winning, we still have to find their partner even if we nail the scum, but if we find their partner the game is over.
It gets us closer to winning by allowing us to auto win ever if we don't hit scum in the 6p group on our first try
It also makes it easier to hit scum in the 6p group
Day 5 wins are more satisfying than d1 wins, also I want to play with you and mena and ydrasse and skitter and everyone who I don't know as well but who are also probably awesome!
You started of SRing me, then you TRed me, then you were trusting skitt. Somehow I feel like you would've been SRing me if skitt wasn't there but I guess we'll never know
You can still sheep skitt's read on me this game, we can't be partners
The other advantage of limming in the 3p group is that I'm more likely to get a conftown to sheep, and I don't have to rely on my worse-than-random post d1 reads
But y'all tricked me into arguing for that, it may just be suboptimal
Pooky: we should lim in the 6p hood
Infinity: ehh idk
Pooky: here are all the advantages of limming in the 6p hood
Infinity: on the other hand, here are all the advantages of limming in the 3p hood
Everyone: wow infinity is so against limming in the 6p hood
In post 182, Bingle wrote:In the case that skitts is town, letting her have multiple phases to solve the game is a dangerous proposition. Similarly with me.
This makes sense, you sold me
VOTE: vander my first FoS, he's playing like he did in underage gun control (idk his town meta though)
I don't think no face particularly has started playing yet besides him thinking I townslipped and taking it back
He hasn't done anything scum-indicative and hasn't tried to look town, so I'm not sure why you're saying this? Unless you think deciding to screw around at the beginning of the game is scummy, which it's not
If you're town you shouldn't be playing this game at all like underage gun control, we may have a 50+ page d1. There's not going to be a "no improvement or better scumreads"
You're talking in a way that's like "if the day ended now", when I don't think that's a useful mindset to have, a lot is going to happen on this day 1. You don't have to believe me
In post 106, Infinity 324 wrote:I have a permanent grudge against anyone I have correctly scumread in the past and failed to eliminate
Skitt get in here and fite me
VOTE: skitt
Ydrasse you're free for now
ok let's fite
- from your pov why is it me and not bingle
- do you understand how from *my* pov this looks to me like you entered the game trying to force a 1v1 with me
- aside note: if infinity is scum and taking this tactic i expect her partner to be less confident / the partner doesn't think they would be able to do the 3p (no offense to whoever that may be if that is indeed the case)
-If jingle is as strong as scum as you, it could be either one
-Sure, but I expect you to be TRing me once you read up (I think)
You started of SRing me, then you TRed me, then you were trusting skitt. Somehow I feel like you would've been SRing me if skitt wasn't there but I guess we'll never know
You can still sheep skitt's read on me this game, we can't be partners
i think you're conflating jk++ with pyp x|y i|m, no ? isn't pyp the one where mena tried to flip you like six times but i wouldn't let him. or was that something else
In post 150, Infinity 324 wrote:Pooky: we should lim in the 6p hood
Infinity: ehh idk
Pooky: here are all the advantages of limming in the 6p hood
Infinity: on the other hand, here are all the advantages of limming in the 3p hood
Everyone: wow infinity is so against limming in the 6p hood
i'm also not sure this actually, like, happened ?
It was tongue-in-cheek, I don't actually think there was much of a misrep it's just hard to argue for a neutral position and be interpreted correctly
In post 234, Vanderscamp wrote:Why do you not think it can be skitt as scum who decides to scum read you?
I'd think that it would be too hard for scum!her to justify, but maybe she can anyway. I'm not sure. I feel like I'm already kind of out of my scumrange though, and will get more so as the game goes on.
In post 234, Vanderscamp wrote:Why do you not think it can be skitt as scum who decides to scum read you?
I'd think that it would be too hard for scum!her to justify, but maybe she can anyway. I'm not sure. I feel like I'm already kind of out of my scumrange though, and will get more so as the game goes on.
Also, I didn't want to say "scum!skitt would be pressured into TRing me here" because then it would be easier for her to just SR me and she'd know I wouldn't get suspicious. I'm now realizing I probably thought about this too much and scum!skitt can justify whatever she wants
I still think it's significantly +scum for skitter to be SRing me here
In post 229, Infinity 324 wrote:-If jingle is as strong as scum as you, it could be either one
-Sure, but I expect you to be TRing me once you read up (I think)
- you aren't approaching this like it could be either one tho
- i don't think you're being townie for you
- maybe i missed it but did you answer this: which pool do you think it's optimal to flip in today?
-What do you mean "approaching this"? I voted you which is like the only indication that I suspected you more? And I didn't know jingle was a particularly good scum player at first so idk what you're on about
-You're very wrong and I don't believe you believe that
-Jingle convinced me that it's better for whichever of you is town to be alive for longer, so 6p I guess
She's correctly read me 3 games in a row and I feel like she has a pretty good sense for how I play
Right but
If she’s in the 3p pool then she’s prob not expecting to survive long term
I guess? I'm not sure which pool scum expected us to lim in
I guess she dies before endgame anyway but it's nice to survive one lim in the 3p group, but it's not that sus for her until I flip town, so my thought process didn't make sense. Ok. This makes me more confident skitt is scum
In post 269, Infinity 324 wrote:-What do you mean "approaching this"? I voted you which is like the only indication that I suspected you more? And I didn't know jingle was a particularly good scum player at first so idk what you're on about
-You're very wrong and I don't believe you believe that
-Jingle convinced me that it's better for whichever of you is town to be alive for longer, so 6p I guess
- uh see posts 56, 77, 90, and 106, am i *not* supposed to be thinking that you suspect me more? you vote me, say 'skitt is good at scum and expecting us to hunt in the 3p first' and then tell me to fite you ...
- i mean you kinda have to say that
- two things here: a) i think you came into this game expecting 3p to be where the action would be, and were setting up your entrance around that. b) i don't really know what you found so convincing around his argument
pedit i'm working on it >.>
1. The first 2 posts were made before I was informed that jingle was good at scum, 90 was bringing up a possibility and 106 was pretty tongue-in-cheek
3. I was yeah. Also, having a strong townie alive for longer seems good? If scum wants to kill in the 3p group when we're not limming there then great imo (but I haven't super thought it through)
I want to leave the mechanics to others prob, not the best mech player
In post 234, Vanderscamp wrote:Why do you not think it can be skitt as scum who decides to scum read you?
I'd think that it would be too hard for scum!her to justify, but maybe she can anyway. I'm not sure. I feel like I'm already kind of out of my scumrange though, and will get more so as the game goes on.
Why are you out of your scunrange?
I'm way more decisive than scum!me would me, maybe pooky or mena can see it. I'm not self-aware enough to give a detailed answer to this but I believe it's true
uh everything that he says is just that pure townie tone and it's very clear he believes in what he's saying and that he thinks that everyone's being silly for proposing something as suboptimal as flipping in 6p and he keeps trying to explain why and his whole pov is just very consistent
and he had a line saying something like 'i don't care if the game takes longer i just want to win' and it was very townie - i'll try to find it
Vander did a pretty similar thing in underage gun control as scum, mena thoughts? I guess he's more decisive here
I definitely think he believes limming in the 3p group is protown
In post 294, Infinity 324 wrote:1. The first 2 posts were made before I was informed that jingle was good at scum, 90 was bringing up a possibility and 106 was pretty tongue-in-cheek
3. I was yeah. Also, having a strong townie alive for longer seems good? If scum wants to kill in the 3p group when we're not limming there then great imo (but I haven't super thought it through)
I want to leave the mechanics to others prob, not the best mech player
ok again this is demonstrating that when you entered the game you thought you'd need to push me, no?
Yes but I don't think I could do that. I probably wouldn't put us in a hood together to begin with.
I think you're projecting here, you're using my early soft push as an excuse to hard push me here when you would never be this confident in SRing me this early, even if you weren't TRing me
Town!skitt doesn't accept the logic of "this player makes no sense, must be scum". She uses what she knows about a player and weighs whether a town motivation is more likely than a scum one. In PyP she TRed me quite strongly when others were SRing me or much less sure. Her read on me here is fake.
In post 325, Infinity 324 wrote:In PyP she TRed me quite strongly when others were SRing me or much less sure.
Specifically because my play was confusing and iirc a big part of the reason for her TRing me there was because she didn't see scum motivation for my play
In post 321, Infinity 324 wrote:Yes but I don't think I could do that. I probably wouldn't put us in a hood together to begin with.
I think you're projecting here, you're using my early soft push as an excuse to hard push me here when you would never be this confident in SRing me this early, even if you weren't TRing me
infinity.
you entered this game looking to push me. yes, i pushed back, because your push on me was agenda-driven and unfounded. i'm not sure why you think i *wouldn't* be scumreading you here.
Skitter it's beyond absurd to me that you think scum!infinity decides that she's confident enough to get into a 1v1 with one of the strongest and most difficult to elim town players on site
It's almost too ridiculous for scum!you to be arguing it
In panic room when I felt like I probably had to elim you to win I was hiding behind lilith to shade you. Going beyond that feels like it would be suicidal
In post 353, NorwegianboyEE wrote:Do you always expect town!Skitter to townread you immediately early day 1 here?
It seems a bit strange as has been said, how your progression is:
>Skitter is likely scum.
>Unless they townread me.
*Skitter says they don’t townread Infinity*
>Knew it! skitter scum!!
Yeah I definitely expected town!her to be TRing me here. It requires a bit of intuition for my personality and how I play scum, but I thought skitter had that? Idk. I'm less confident that I was last night about skitter being scum here, mostly because the gut feeling isn't there. I was convinced enough that skitter should be TRing me here that I thought scum!her would do the same thing, so I didn't feel that she was likely scum "unless she townreads me", I thought she was likely scum regardless.
In post 382, Ydrasse wrote:the strange thing is though, is that i’ve seen infinity get caught d1 as scum twice recently and i’m unsure if she wants to put herself in the 3p pool because of that? not caught by everyone i suppose but like, voted out d1 and then vigshot n1, so i guess caught by the people that objectively matter in a game
basically idk what it says about infinity showing up like she did and picking a fight with skitter, it’s a level of confidence that i find surprising given recent circumstances and i guess if she’s scum it’s what, a suicidal play to try to get skitter out and keep us from the 6p pool...???
Good take, but this feels like ydrasse scumposting.
I thought we went over this early on? My intuition said that giving town the highest chance to hit scum early on is nice for associatives. I guess others disagreeing with me made me a little less confident before I posted.