MT 2203: Grand Idea Upick: Awakening [Endgame]

[samantha97]

I got what I wanted but

Spoiler:

it was nerfed

[samantha97]

What reason do I have to lie about being nk-immune miller vig unless I'm bulletprof scum/sk? We know I can't be a SK because my third pick is always cult, and I'd much rather keep shitposting as scum after I die.

idk to avoid nightkills to start

[samantha97]

you're a dayvig?

[samantha97]

Please don't. I actually wanna play this game.

aw roleclaimed cult

[samantha97]

the only thing I'll say about my role is that I picked all 3 with the idea that I wouldn't live to the end

[samantha97]

samantha is flipped scum

-mahi

this is what I would have flipped had I been it: viewtopic.php?p=10106148#p10106148

pretty smart pick huh

[samantha97]

maybe they got your mafia dayvig

[samantha97]

nk-proof=bulletproof?

[samantha97]

voting korina is mafiaclaiming

[samantha97]

Raya, what if I ask you nicely to join my cult? Pooky isn't here, I don't think, so I'm taking the mantle up in their honor.

nm he totally picked that cult thing that gets people to join via posts

[samantha97]

I'm also going to sleep

[samantha97]

they should commit to whether they were serious or not, cause they sprinkled in joke posts

[samantha97]

so are you committing to not being a dayvig then? also even if korina wanted cult, they only had a 15% chance of getting it

if they wanted to maximize their chances at cult they'd pick town/mafia analogues

but I believe them that they went for broken unkillable roles for all 3

[samantha97]

some of them would be rejected by ircher surely

[samantha97]

2 is redundant 1/3 would get vetoed 4 is worse than 1 shot deathproof imo

[samantha97]

How do you know they'd be vetoed?
-mahi

did ya forget my role got nerfed

[samantha97]

cult is just basically a masonry anyway

let mafia/werewolves stop them

[samantha97]

on one hand korina had a higher chance than some people to be non-town, due to picking non-town as their 3rd, so as an indifferent baseline it's better than random

on the other hand, non-town have a vested interest in getting rid of someone who can't be nightkilled, and posts exist so it's never random anyway

[samantha97]

you thought korina was cult leader but



I really just want to recruit a nk immune vig

[samantha97]

what is a doctor heal

[samantha97]

we most likely have 8 town btw

[samantha97]

why investigation

[samantha97]

VOTE: CaptainS

[samantha97]

Why didn't a pick a day vig role? I could use one just about now.

no one did apparently

[samantha97]

Would you mind sharing with me the general idea of those rules? So I know and don't break them?

tldr is if you chain post (3+) you might get a warning, if you have 20% of the total votes at eod you get a warning/penalty vote/something

[samantha97]

votes=posts

[samantha97]

he said he had a confirmable role that will auto confirm tonight

[samantha97]

because it only buys him 1 day

[samantha97]

and he'd have a longer life expectancy if he just didn't say anything

[samantha97]

oh I missed that not shooting thing (bold font actually tells my brain to ignore whatever you're saying)
VOTE: korina

[samantha97]

at most you'd be wrong by 1 kill since you know who you shot, barring redirection

[samantha97]

if you commit to shooting someone, idc who (pick me if you want >:)), I'll unvote you

[samantha97]

VOTE: CaptainS

[samantha97]

Based on what exactly? I know we have a minimum of 7 as per the rules, but why 8 specifically?

cause 7 is the floor and 65% chance x 13 people

I'm bad at math but I got 8 rounded down

[samantha97]

it's higher than that too if people picked town as their 3rd

[samantha97]

Nono is just scum, don't worry.

he's allowed to be

[samantha97]

vaxkiller what did you pick for your 3rd role

[samantha97]

if the day would end and they were l-1 I would consider it

[samantha97]

Bah

You wanna keep obvscum around, go ahead. Since you are this insane im gonna do something equally insane. I will sheep the first person that asks me to sheep him/her. Every vote from this point forward til the end of the day that he/she casts, I will cast.

sheep me pls

[samantha97]

neat thx

[samantha97]

Granted. Consider yourself a double voter

Spoiler: How I feel about this slot

[samantha97]

1 day 7 hours until day starts btw

[samantha97]

I had an 80% chance of getting town sry

[samantha97]

what's wrong town

[samantha97]

oh I thought that was a roundabout way of saying he wasn't town

[samantha97]

this is the first game where I have actually wanted to vote no lynch

[samantha97]

what's an astral demon

[samantha97]

this is the first game where I have actually wanted to vote no lynch

Let's not do this. There's still plenty of time for D1 anyway

I've thought about it more and I actually think this is the best strategy given the claims + what I know myself

[samantha97]

UNVOTE:

[samantha97]

I can't or I woulda

I totally get people not trusting my judgment & I am fallible, but it'd be cool if we did that

[samantha97]

we can have this day over in 6 hours if we want

VOTE: no elim

only need 5 more votes

[samantha97]

What's the fascination with throwing away the town's biggest power? Ain't the first time you've called for this while vaguely hinting at vague things you know.

the town's biggest powers work at night

we have a higher chance of putting us behind by killing town with what you think our biggest power is

not saying we should do this repeatedly, just for today

[samantha97]

biggest problem this place has is modern towns getting out-posted into apathy and hoping our PRs lead us to water and teach us peristalsis.

this isn't a normal game; we can lean on power roles

[samantha97]

ya

I'll trade you an answer for no elim vote

[samantha97]

Hard pass, unless you're gonna give me more reason than waving your hands about and making spooky intimations about how informed you are.

didn't even mention that in our conversation, the other reasons you rejected

[samantha97]

h-hey why are our votes lowest on the list with more votes

[samantha97]

wow you made them lower lol

[samantha97]

I can't access the site from my computer now for some reason so I'm gonna be awol until that is fixed cause phones are terrible

[samantha97]

oh hey it works after posting that even after not working all day

weird

[samantha97]

A50 is probably scum.
We are not doing a no lim.

This guy is scum and fuck your no elimination shit Samantha. I rescind my offer to sheep you.

VOTE: VFP

Anything that opposes his point of view is "scum" to him.

who cares if he is he claimed n1 confirmable

there's more than enough time to get rid of him tomorrow if he lied

there's no reason to lie about that as mafia unless there's an angle to hide your alignment, which can still be caught with night actions

also going back on a double voter the same day you give it is bad form

[samantha97]

Side note, is this entire damn game confirmable or something?

Like I've deliberate not chosen an alignment confirmable role because I wanna have fun, not just yolo win.

I think that a lot of roles are just unintentionally 'innocent child' as a subability, without people going out of their way to pick them

the only way they aren't is if the thread added more roles with the same effect or similar enough to obscure it

[samantha97]

And im sorry samantha for being kind of mean to your no elim proposal, but im a very explosive player when provoked, impulsive and explosive.

Spoiler:

[samantha97]

aw it's not fair to double vote something no one is going for when you're a leading wagon

VOTE: korina

[samantha97]

it's effectively 6 to 6 with almost50 as the kingmaker

[samantha97]

mmmmmmmmmamamamamamamamamama

-mahi

Spoiler:

[samantha97]

temporal can you vote korina pls

[samantha97]

or we can all still decide to kill no one that'd be cool

[samantha97]

mafiahi pls

[samantha97]

it's obvious temporal and guillotina are both town

[samantha97]

intent to hammer which

[samantha97]

Someone who's voting me please stop voting me and vote Guillo. The fact that I haven't been hammered makes me think that all the scum have to be on me at this point, because I'd have died by now.

I was actually thinking the opposite, since guillotina had 7 voters (unvote) and there are likely 8 town, with 1 player not voting for either (a50)

I don't think it's likely that the entirety of town would vote for him

[samantha97]

korina do you wanna combine double voting powers to vote no elim

[samantha97]

I am strongly against both of these wagons if I had a veto I'd have used it. (and if I was a Governor I'd be pardoning them)

correct option would be to vote someone else... or unvote if you don't scumread anyone at all. This is Day 1, not Day 10↑↑10[/quote]
it makes more sense day 1 than any other day

[samantha97]

well that quote got butchered

[samantha97]

it makes more sense day 1 than any other day

a vote for no elim is a vote for throwing away a major factor in Town's success

Even if we mislim, we walk into Day 2 richer in information. If we instead no elim, we walk into Day 2 with only the Night to tell us info.

idk why everyone is downplaying night like 99% of these broken roles don't work at night lol

also no we already have information cause of the vote count, plus we have a claimed role checker and a roleclaim from korina

[samantha97]

VOTE: no elim

[samantha97]

mahimahi (7) (HAMMER @ 812) - Flea The Magician (775), Guillotina (784), TemporalLich (785), KidAmn (786), Raya36 (788), Korina (803), Almost50 (812)
Guillotina (2) - VFP (654), CaptainS (698)
Korina (3) - Vaxkiller (323), mahimahi (416), Nono (588)
No Execution (1) - samantha97 (780)

No Execution (1) - samantha97 (780)

No one has been executed Day 1!

Spoiler:

also you can't tell me the fact that that video ID (Nn0ThRKrUEA) ended up looking suspiciously like 'northkorea' wasn't divine intervention

also rip nono

[samantha97]

so you know how the role works but not the name?

[samantha97]

what is korina's role name & why did mahi know the role you had

[samantha97]

idk what's the angle for accusing someone of something that gets proven when lynched so early in the game? sacrificing 1 mafia member to get rid of the nk immune?

[samantha97]

VOTE: Korina
Sorry Korina, I really think you're cult here. Hope there's no hard feelings if I'm right

yeah I only hope there's hard feelings if we're wrong VOTE: Korina

[samantha97]

btw can we fast night this pls

[samantha97]

forgetting =/= lying

[samantha97]

hey VFP why was your role not confirmed and why is everyone voting vaxkiller when he's auto dead tomorrow if he's lying? makes 0 sense to post something like this:

VOTE: Vaxkiller [E-2] and then Korina is resolved for tomorrow and if this is a scumflip Mahi goes back on the block ^_^ simples.

[samantha97]

please explain how a tracker gels with your confirmable role stuff in day 1

or gels at all with a upick role

[samantha97]

I confirmed you guessed correctly. You had a 50/50 shot because I know I mentioned both Elite CL and DP CL.

50/50 shot? no one knew you didn't pick it to begin with

[samantha97]

If Korina flips groupscum, we lime Vax tomorrow for being so obviously co-aligned scum it can break an Astral Demon's brain.

If Korina flips cult Vax is likely trueclaiming about being Guesser with a good result.

If Korina flips town we lime Vax tomorrow for fakeclaiming.

exactly and korina already confirmed he is right, plus we had a whole conversation about possible things korina would have picked and if he forgot he'd have remembered during it

VFP was culted, that's why he's lying about tracker to buy an extra recruit night

there's a part of me that just wants to let cult run wild for mafia poe lol

[samantha97]

VOTE: Vaxkiller

Apparently the minimum deadline hasn't passed yet and the rules are unclear if quickhammers can be undone before the minimum deadline.

majority can be reached it's just twilight

[samantha97]

I hate that role, it keeps popping up in GIM and i keep posting counters to them, now we also have a Dawn and Midnight phases. There is no stopping it!

they should just be rerolled ez solution

[samantha97]

Experimental Activity Rules Changes

1. Rule 4 is the main one that is changing. Instead of being based on total percentage of game posts, it is now based on standard deviation from the mean number of posts among living players (across the entire game and includes the recently executed player) minus the highest and lowest count, calculated at the end of each day. (That is, if players A, B, C, D, and E have post counts of 81, 75, 63, 32, 16 respectively, then the calculation of the mean and standard deviation will be done using the three middle values 75, 63, and 32.) Any living player whose total post count is greater than or equal to two (2) standard deviations above the mean will lose their vote. You can find standard deviation calculators online if you are worried about your number of posts.

[samantha97]

I'm bad at math

ircher:

[samantha97]

Nope, I refuse to waive.

u aren't alive

VOTE: END DAY

[samantha97]

don't forget to also say you want fast night

[samantha97]

You guys have to suffer because Ircher said it requires 12, last I checked, I'm one of the 12.
Vax is scum. Mahi is scum. You yeet them tomorrow and you win.

If anyone has any questions, feel free to ask.

that wouldn't make sense but if that's the case then I'm gonna vote VFP tomorrow unless you vote to end the day

[samantha97]

I'm mafia

[samantha97]

VFP,

Cultist Dolphin

(originally

Town Dolphin

), died Night 2.

??? uh thanks for saving a day for us lol

[samantha97]

well he was 2 shot if I remember right so he should have a result today

[samantha97]

I am pretty sure VFP was shot by scum with Vax in it... but a Vig is a possibility that shouldn't be overlooked and it isn't the Occam's Razor defying Vax was protected by Doc and the game is definitely Multiball.

doctor protected successfully 2 nights in a row? or vig holstered night 1? and multiball with... aliens? multiball based on what?

[samantha97]

5 non town in a 13 player set up? Come on now. Ircher is not a noob mod.

we already know there could be as many as 6 by default

[samantha97]

I got a result on someone. It's like a completely useless role. Like why would you choose that?

on who?

[samantha97]

who did you target vaxkiller

[samantha97]

2 followup questions:

1. are you confident his role is town?

2. are you asking for a massclaim because you targeted him or is it unrelated?

[samantha97]

I think there's a possible overlap in motive for vaxkiller and mahi pushing roleclaims

and I know everyone forgot, but mahi demonstrably lied about their role (they're some kind of deathproof, probably like 1-shot deathproof werewolf (I almost picked that))

there's no reason for a 1 shot deathproof to get roleclaims by fakeclaiming day 1 unless they're mafia

I assume one of the mafia members, likely not vaxkiller/mahi, has some sort of role that capitalizes off of knowing roles

or maybe they're just scared of the unknown

[samantha97]

You like really want me to be scum huh? Despite all the signs pointing to no.

why kill confirmed dolphin over a confirmed cop(you)?

I mean killing a dolphin is bad in isolation, especially when it was obvious they were cult, but still

[samantha97]

I could see that too if you were roleblocked

[samantha97]

VOTE: mahimahi

[samantha97]

but seriously, i promise we're town and we'll help win this game for us eventually. right now it just seems like there's a lot of... uncooperative people who may or may not be scum. hopefully they start killing each other at night

why did you ask people to claim d1 to fuel your fakeclaim

[samantha97]

Still i wished she contributed more cause she will not ride on that townread forever.

reminder:

I'm mafia

[samantha97]

I got a better idea actually

VOTE: CaptainS

how do ya square away mahimahi extracting roleclaims with a fakeclaim

[samantha97]

I won’t waste another day trying to eliminate un unlyncher, if we can’t yeet that scum, we’ll yeet their teammates.
Doesn’t it make sense?

not really cause vaxkiller didn't check them/no one else did who claimed anything

only way to check them is to go for round 2

[samantha97]

4: Please remember to assume good faith of other players when it comes to their real life circumstances.

I appreciate the sentiment but publicly commenting on interactions between players, whether it reveals alignment or not (I always think it does), can affect how people perceive their slot/alter the flow of the game

[samantha97]

it's too farfetched to not be real

[samantha97]

when I was 6 years old I lost my clairvoyant abilities

[samantha97]

I didn't pick that but wow you're probably right

aw someone appreciated what I did

[samantha97]

town
TemporalLich
Guillotina

pocket full of sunshine
CaptainS

purgatory
Vaxkiller

the professor and mary ann
Almost50
Flea The Magician
Raya36
KidAmn

mafia
mafiahi

[samantha97]

I'm targeting flea tonight

[samantha97]

wow the mafia in this game are bad lol

[samantha97]

So does anyone know if Vax ever outed his N2 target or result?

yes it was temporal as an airplane something

[samantha97]

also anyway lets massclaim I guess since our pool is good

I've been roleblocking you guillotina sry, I'm a town naturalist (which I thought was obvious and I expected to eat the nk), aka an omniroleblocking omnidoctor lol

my role was altered like I said, so I'm the only one who knows exactly how it works, but you'll see tomorrow anyway

[samantha97]

uh ok

[samantha97]

Yeah we have a scum prince, the roleblocker is blocking the town win con

did you check how my role works before saying that

[samantha97]

I'm not gonna speculate on what mahimahi is before they actually claim, which everyone should do

massclaim pls

[samantha97]

No but I can confirm you are indeed blocking the town win con and therefore need to be elimed today

No massclaim yet.

you don't know my role
mahis' role

or half the game's role yet

and you're confirmed town pointlessly voting for another confirmed town

cool your jets

[samantha97]

Right, thanks!
Wonder why scum killed Vax then. He was vanilla then

can you roleclaim pls

this is the only safe day to do it cause I'm gonna eat the nk

[samantha97]

Why would you roleblock Guillo who was going to kill the unelimable scum?

VOTE: Samantha

viewtopic.php?f=5&t=59348&p=12667963&hi ... #p12667963

look before you leap people

[samantha97]

UNVOTE:
Why would you choose that role?

more like why did I make it

I made it cause I h8 how there are like 3 kills per night in grand idea

I wanted there to be room to breathe

also yes I'm guaranteed the nk because I have been passively blocking factional nightkills and I don't even have to be correct and target someone to do it

[samantha97]

claim pls raya

[samantha97]

the blolerocker we are looking to elim regardless of alignment

royal 'we'

you're ignoring the incentive for mafia to kill me & also somehow ignoring guillotina's role while talking about it; it's a good thing vaxkiller died and 100% cleared you cause I'd be all over you calling you mafia right now lol

[samantha97]

you can't say that I'm ignoring guillotina's role when I literally mentioned "said role is most likely the reason guillotina is getting returned grenades"

scum will know not to NK sam as that's stopping the Town from winning, cross-aligned scum will likely do the NK

even if mahimahi was mafia our win condition is not solely to kill them

and by ignoring his role I meant ignoring its full breadth

[samantha97]

no for some reason he is saying the only way for town to get rid of mahimahi is if guillotina is allowed to grenade them, and that mahimahi dying is definitely part of our win condition

[samantha97]

Mahi is most likely a scum prince.

I interpreted fuit vendorize as changing their role to that entirely

either way it doesn't actually matter what mahimahi is because we have 0 non-town dead; it's not like you're suggesting he is the only non-town player in the game

let them weigh the benefit of keeping me alive if mahimahi is actually anti-town informed

and I use the phrase "let them" loosely cause suggesting to vote me is just thread-clogging; there's never gonna be a majority in favor of getting rid of confirmed town

[samantha97]

yes I forgot korina existed sry

[samantha97]

You have only been blocking a second factional kill IF there is one,

exactly? do you really think it's just 1 team?

anyway I'm content with this VOTE: almost50

[samantha97]

@samantha: What makes you think mahi's not the "only" scum left?? Please don't tell me because "setup balance".

you're basically asking me to craft a fakeclaim for them

[samantha97]

k you all are dead set on losing holy heck lol

mahimahi was never confirmed mafia, just "not-town"

if you check the thread for prince roles you only come up with alien

if you really think they're a prince, they're an alien, and very likely an ungrouped one at that due to the odds of someone else picking alien & the 15% roll to even get it

wasting a day lynching town is even worse than the days spent wasted on mahimahi, cause you're changing your chance of getting rid of mafia to 0% and changing your chance of being -1 town to 100%

in conclusion,

it's not confirmed that mahimahi being killed is even part of our win condition

and

there are more people who are not town than mahimahi

it's not like it's a large pool of who they can be either, so they'll gladly swoop in and capitalize on this illogical town mindset

[samantha97]

2 people capitalizing so far who are in the unclaimed mafia poe: raya and almost50

[samantha97]

Samantha if you are town and you roleblock me, how come mafia chose to kill a 2-shot cop instead of the vigilante with incredible power?

Your roleblocking ability plus mafia's hit on Vaxkiller looks synchronized. Vaxkiller also cast suspicion on you yesterday and he said that there was only one role that made sense. I think you roleblock me so you guts could kill Vaxkiller and prevent you from checking your number, because you guys needed to make sure that Vaxkiller's claim of having 2-shots only was not a fakeclaim of his.

doubting my role when you supposedly got your grenades back is a bad look

I didn't wanna say anything cause I had no reason to doubt you behaviorally until now, but your roleclaim only conftowns you as far as you being unable to know what my role was

if you or a partner could predict it based on what I hinted at, you could use your claim to rolefish me/direct other anti-town factional kills towards me/confirm yourself as town through me if I had the role

[samantha97]

anyway sam is at E-2 right now

sadly there's little left to say

hard to talk people out of throwing when there's nothing to prove since they already know you're town lol

[samantha97]

do we elim the conf town and allow guillo to blown up mahi

you're forgetting that guillotina can only do that if he isn't roleblocked/redirected/prevented by mahimahi's role, etc.

telegraphing something in this game is really wishful thinking

[samantha97]

also I don't think you can alter the alignment of roles when picking? that's not how I interpreted it anyway

[samantha97]

Mahi's role is prince and I'm 99% confident he is a third party alien, so i will mot blowing up tonight, mafia will or they will lose to the alien.

so you're voting out town to enact a halfbaked plan that you aren't even gonna do

this is really something lol

[samantha97]

Actually if Samantha's claim is true and there was more parties with factional kill besides mafia, there is no way they don't kill me, so, there is no more 3ps that can kill.

it's not up to them who dies

[samantha97]

I'd like to think there's a mafia team out there upset @ at the vfp and vaxkiller kills

[samantha97]

I mean even if there was an entity or group that factional killed guillotina there is no guarantee it'd go through

Do you understand that your alleged role does not block factional kills? .

yes it does

and while I'm here I'd like to remind you all that we have 9 players alive with only 4 of them guaranteed to be town

is tossing a town number away really playing to a town win condition?

Spoiler:

no

[samantha97]

now read the other text

[samantha97]

if you're sure mahimahi is a prince then we already know there are at least 2 factions

[samantha97]

I mean the entire argument about voting me is founded on mahimahi being an alien lol

[samantha97]

Vaxkiller is dead because he suspected you so your team killed him so you could cook up a fake claim to cover up that suspicion.

You die today!

sarcasm?

[samantha97]

I never said that there was no other factions, i said that there is no guarantee that there are more factional kills.

the only non-town prince has a factional kill

I'mma go do something more productive though so now's the time to rush me through if you want

[samantha97]

We yeet Samantha and i target someone in our PoE and we let scum take care of the Alien, if not im happy with the Alien winning as long as it's not scum that wins.

the reason why temporal wanted me dead was because of mahimahi's potential role, not because we need someone to kill mafia more generally

that's what voting used to be for

[samantha97]

reminder that guillotina isn't going to shoot mahimahi regardless of me being dead

[samantha97]

he said he wasn't going to

[samantha97]

for some reason his plan is to vote out confirmed town then take a chance on a random with his ability, expecting for himself to eat the nk

in other words, he wants to transfer what is normally done by town in the day to be his sole decision at night, while guaranteeing a town dies during the day

it's about as logical as everything else proposed today

[samantha97]

I was afk when you said you were targeting me lol

[samantha97]

There is no way town got two vigs. So what is it flea?

why not? my role enables a lot of setups that would be vetoed I imagine

also can someone pls explain to guillotina why I'm not mafia because he keeps going at me from that angle and I don't wanna do it myself

[samantha97]

lol

[samantha97]

both are game throwing

the sad thing is you are saying you agree with me too guillotina

[samantha97]

The most fucked up part of all of this is that you chose this role and didn't claim it the moment a prince was revealed only only a factional kill went through. .

that was today

[samantha97]

The solid plan is my plan! We yeet Samantha, if she is scum i finally kill the Mahimahi with pleasure higher than sex.
If Samantha is a townie, i kill Mahi, scum kills me and then you guys figure out the rest.

so now you're saying you're targeting mahi in both situations?

[samantha97]

No, i didnt have my thoughts straight, if you are a townie i dont kill Mahi, i kill who i scum read and let scum worry about Mahi, yah.

I'm conftown so we're in agreement

[samantha97]

We need you dead first.

what you keep arguing for is the same as voting for who you want out but worse

I know you want to use your role but your arguments aren't logical; you actually agree with me about mahi but are arguing the opposite

just vote for who you think is mafia

[samantha97]

stretching the limits of credulity

[samantha97]

very low scum equity post

are you saying you think I'm mafia?

[samantha97]

good lord lol

[samantha97]

find a single roleblocker that refunds

then factor in the probability of me targeting guillotina n1 and continuing to

then factor in that I made that role after this game was announced specifically because I wanted to use it

then get back to me

[samantha97]

the only universe in which you can think I am mafia without contorting yourself into the worlds biggest pretzel is if you think guillotina and I are mafia partners

and even then the odds of there being only 1 nk per night for 3 nights...

[samantha97]

oh yeah and the reason I wanted no one to die day 1 was because I knew only 1 person would die at night

I forgot about that

[samantha97]

Now my second issue is do we think scum actually want mahi gone as much as we do? Because if we do then we can leave sam and let scum take care of mahi. But if we end up needing to elim mahi for our wincon and we lose Guillo and leave sam then we have no way to kill them (assuming no other vig type roles).

if they are a prince then they only have 1 kill maximum

even if it was a 1v1v1 at best they could tie (alien)

[samantha97]

So you're saying it's best we elim you and let Guillo shoot mahi?

I'm saying they're irrelevant if they're a prince

[samantha97]

nono I'm saying even if killing them is part of our wincon they can't win to begin with

at worst we'll tie with them/mafia will tie with them

[samantha97]

well nm mafia can't tie with them

the point is just that aliens can't chain nk so they don't auto win with parity I think?

[samantha97]

ic

[samantha97]

well we can just make sure 2 town make it to final 3 ez

[samantha97]

Benefits Of Keeping Samantha Alive

2) If you are scum, you are guaranteed that your factional kill will go through.

factually wrong

[samantha97]

y'know we could actually vote out mafia today that'd be super neat

[samantha97]

I wouldn't trust guillotina to target mahimahi even if he says he will tbh

and I'm not just saying that cause I'm on the block; his behavior just points to him doing whatever he wanted to begin with at night

[samantha97]

I mean he promised to target one of 3 people whose votes you need to enable him to do it...

[samantha97]

there's no hope for this game, we are deadlocked

hmm? flea has been expressing interest for a long time and raya just did as well

that's all the votes you need to enact the bad plan

[samantha97]

multiple people on board with this not having a handle on even the votes doesn't raise any red flags re:success rate of this

none at all

[samantha97]

2) I targeted to kill Korina on night 1. If not for Samantha, VFP would have been still town aligned on Day 2, we wouldnt have wasted Day 2 yeeting Korina.

I don't think night action resolution would make it work that way - aren't kills processed last?

also you keep suggesting I'm mafia but your existence confirms my alignment - the person with the least doubt should be you; pls just commit to lynching town instead of doing this half-hearted "if she's a wolf" stuff

Sam give us some reads?

idk there's the baseline poe of you/raya/kidamn/almost50

it's possible guillotina is mafia in the scenario I mentioned here if you wanna get on my level of paranoia viewtopic.php?p=12710475#p12710475

this isn't the kinda game where I'm going to tryhard read people, but raya sticks out the most as mafia I guess? depends on if a50 gets that emotional/textwall-y as mafia

[samantha97]

some people just want to watch the world burn VOTE: samantha97

[samantha97]

gj nice playing with everyone

[samantha97]

@korina, I just read your PTs and the back and forth between me and VFP made me laugh

it made me feel bad that we destroyed his dream