Micro 1003: Divide and Conquer - Game Over!

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Post Post #35 (isolation #0) » Tue Apr 06, 2021 7:40 am

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I'm excited to divide and conquer D:

VOTE: Bingle
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Post Post #43 (isolation #1) » Tue Apr 06, 2021 7:43 am

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We should vote for the one who is acting like mafia :)
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Post Post #59 (isolation #2) » Tue Apr 06, 2021 7:48 am

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We shouldn't kill people Ydrasse! Mafia are the ones that kill people :D
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Post Post #65 (isolation #3) » Tue Apr 06, 2021 7:52 am

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I think both mafia are in the neighborhood of 3 :/
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Post Post #73 (isolation #4) » Tue Apr 06, 2021 7:55 am

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skitter is a nice person :|
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Post Post #80 (isolation #5) » Tue Apr 06, 2021 7:56 am

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In post 76, Menalque wrote:
In post 73, No Face wrote:skitter is a nice person :|
did anyone suggest otherwise?
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Post Post #84 (isolation #6) » Tue Apr 06, 2021 7:57 am

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In post 75, PookyTheMagicalBear wrote:yea she will kill you by feeding you razor blades slowly :3
That sounds really painful ^^
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Post Post #89 (isolation #7) » Tue Apr 06, 2021 7:58 am

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In post 82, Menalque wrote:No face, won’t ask beyond this, but are you an alt?
I have no face ..
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Post Post #95 (isolation #8) » Tue Apr 06, 2021 8:01 am

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I will be really sad and make you all feel sorry for me so you don't eliminate me :D
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Post Post #98 (isolation #9) » Tue Apr 06, 2021 8:02 am

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Oh okay :(
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Post Post #101 (isolation #10) » Tue Apr 06, 2021 8:04 am

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She edited my post... /_/
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Post Post #108 (isolation #11) » Tue Apr 06, 2021 8:14 am

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Bingle and Pooky or Vanders :)
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Post Post #136 (isolation #12) » Tue Apr 06, 2021 8:46 am

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In post 122, Infinity 324 wrote:
In post 119, PookyTheMagicalBear wrote:i dont see how flipping the scum in the 3p gets us closer,

we r just back here again with needing to find the scum in the 6p to win
Pooky if we don't hit scum in the 6p right away it isn't an auto win, we need guess correctly in the 3p anyway.
Townslip :D
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Post Post #138 (isolation #13) » Tue Apr 06, 2021 8:47 am

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No it isn't, I didn't see the don't :(
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Post Post #146 (isolation #14) » Tue Apr 06, 2021 8:57 am

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In post 143, Ydrasse wrote:no face is hard town btw
No you're hard town :(
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Post Post #152 (isolation #15) » Tue Apr 06, 2021 9:43 am

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Post Post #369 (isolation #16) » Tue Apr 06, 2021 10:48 pm

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Menalque Ydrasse Vanders skitter town :<

Infinity and Pooky?
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Post Post #370 (isolation #17) » Tue Apr 06, 2021 10:49 pm

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VOTE: Pooky :)
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Post Post #371 (isolation #18) » Tue Apr 06, 2021 11:11 pm

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No Face saw a lot of words and some of those words were written by Menalque on the page 1 where he posted like he didn't know about groups and didn't seem like he knew things scum would know, if he is faking it it was a convincing performance, but I think more likely Menalque is one of the town.

Another of those words were written by the Ydrasse, who seemed like she was having a lot of fun when there's a lot of pressure of being in the group of 6, the person in there could singlehandedly lose the game for the scum, so has more of a need or inkling in their head telling them to fake some things to talk about if someone is town or scum. Ydrasse has one or two reads but hasn't tried to fake any of these things that scum would feel the need to.

Vanders also wrote some words. He wanted to kill No Face :D because they weren't giving any information and I think the town ones are more likely to openly be the first to suggest the policy this early, he also seemed like he was genuine and believing when talking about how he wanted to kill in the 3 group so he would definitely see that flip of the scum to try and solve the rest of the game before any losses.

skitter felt left out so also wrote some words, and I felt special when she said she also likes Menalque and Vander for the similar reasons to why I do, and she's also playing this like not for the long term if she's scum. If Infinity dies today and is the town she probably dies tommorow because people think she's the scum. I think she would be more reserved and unsure like how Infinity was at the start if she was scum. Lean one way but don't commit to it. This is what Infinity was doing, but skitter seems like she really thinks Infinity is the scum right now.

Pooky has only talked about mech so far and I am waiting for the reads :)

Nor seemed too weird to be scum in his first 3 posts writes he made, like he was trying to look and act scummy, which is actually towny. But I am not so confident on him as the others.

Bingle has given okay reads but nothing that he has wrote makes me think definitely scum or town.

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Post Post #374 (isolation #19) » Tue Apr 06, 2021 11:23 pm

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No Face read back on the post and realized there might be confusion about why No Face thinks Ydrasse is town for not trying to do anything while Pooky could be scum even though he isn't giving reads. This is because I count mech advice as faking something that scum thinks they can be townread from.
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Post Post #375 (isolation #20) » Tue Apr 06, 2021 11:23 pm

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Post Post #378 (isolation #21) » Wed Apr 07, 2021 12:49 am

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Post Post #455 (isolation #22) » Wed Apr 07, 2021 3:53 am

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I am ppl :P
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Post Post #458 (isolation #23) » Wed Apr 07, 2021 3:58 am

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The main face for Infinity being mafia is because it's weird for mafia skitter or Bingle to put her in the group of 3 when she feels more like a group of 6 player, since she is more likely to be wrongfully eliminated by the other players when she is town, more often that players like Menalque or Pooky. Mafia needs to put all the players that can sometimes look like mafia as town in the group of 6 because that is the one that matters. This is why I think skitter is more likely to be town, because she could blend in well in the group of 6 so she only puts herself in group of 3 if she doesn't really want to play as mafia for too long.

I can see mafia Infinity putting herself with 2 strong players and coming out swinging. The words are possibly written.

Bingle seems to be playing quite safely, like he's in a safe :O
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Post Post #459 (isolation #24) » Wed Apr 07, 2021 3:58 am

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I give the fastest thoughts in the South-East :D
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Post Post #461 (isolation #25) » Wed Apr 07, 2021 4:00 am

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Yeah D:
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Post Post #466 (isolation #26) » Wed Apr 07, 2021 4:04 am

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The one thing I have liked about the Infinity is how often she says she's out of her scumrange, like matter of fact like the words are so obvious and she can't believe no one else doesn't see the same words :-
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Post Post #471 (isolation #27) » Wed Apr 07, 2021 4:07 am

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In post 463, Infinity 324 wrote:
In post 371, No Face wrote:If Infinity dies today and is the town she probably dies tommorow because people think she's the scum.
Isn't this not a big deal? She's in the group of 3, so she kind of did her job if she elims me. Also I think skitt is a strong enough scum player that this isn't really true
After some thinking I agree this is a stupid read :)

I think I believe she's towny moreso in how earnestly skitter is pursuing her words on you being scum rather than the committing theory. The committing theory is stupid because people like to townread poeple who commit everything on someone being scum, so the logic is the circular

No Face's new guess is Bingle and Pooky :''
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Post Post #473 (isolation #28) » Wed Apr 07, 2021 4:10 am

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Me? I don't scumread you but others have done towny things and you haven't yet :]
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Post Post #475 (isolation #29) » Wed Apr 07, 2021 4:12 am

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Post Post #480 (isolation #30) » Wed Apr 07, 2021 4:18 am

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poe doesn't make sense to kill No Face because No Face has done towny things :(

The handstand was impressive Pooky but No Face would be doing you a disservice if it thought you couldn't pull it off as mafia
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Post Post #484 (isolation #31) » Wed Apr 07, 2021 4:19 am

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>:|
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Post Post #528 (isolation #32) » Wed Apr 07, 2021 6:23 am

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In post 508, Infinity 324 wrote:
In post 504, NorwegianboyEE wrote:
In post 501, Infinity 324 wrote:No @norwee
Then y r u voting No Face.
In post 482, Infinity 324 wrote:
In post 477, Ydrasse wrote:why no face other than poe?
He's a strong scum player, other than that I have nothing
Infinity does not know who No Face is so how would she know? :(
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Post Post #539 (isolation #33) » Wed Apr 07, 2021 6:33 am

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Infinity is ignoring me :/
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Post Post #579 (isolation #34) » Wed Apr 07, 2021 11:32 am

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In post 550, PookyTheMagicalBear wrote:No Face trying to make Pooky/Bingle scumteam a thing when Bingle!Scum autoloses if Pooky!scum flips is kind of cute ngl :3
No Face said that before Bingle was suspicious of Pooky's words or voted for him, No Face isn't a time traveler...

This is very strange Pooky :D
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Post Post #590 (isolation #35) » Wed Apr 07, 2021 11:49 am

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Can you show No Face where? **
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Post Post #595 (isolation #36) » Wed Apr 07, 2021 11:54 am

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In post 108, No Face wrote:Bingle and Pooky or Vanders :)
No Face said this before Bingle but it's unlikely to affect his willingness to distance anyway face thinks :7
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Post Post #605 (isolation #37) » Wed Apr 07, 2021 12:02 pm

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I'm not pushing for it being exactly you two, and it's not like the Bingle couldn't just be distancing early, it's not like he's said anything which will definitely convince others to follow him and vote you :/

This is just what I lean right now:

Pooky>Vanders>Nor>Ydrasse>Menalque
Bingle>Infinity>skitter
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Post Post #607 (isolation #38) » Wed Apr 07, 2021 12:04 pm

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But maybe you're right and if you're mafia you would be mafia with Infinity or skitter, since this distancing is more hassle than it's worth

But for now, No Face will pursue its reads independently and not worry too much about teams :>
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Post Post #611 (isolation #39) » Wed Apr 07, 2021 12:06 pm

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Why do you think I'm mafia Pooky? :1
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Post Post #620 (isolation #40) » Wed Apr 07, 2021 12:14 pm

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I don't think you or Bingle have done anything really scummy Pooky. For you especially it's because the words the others have made in the group of 6 have all felt like town, all but your words have not :=
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Post Post #623 (isolation #41) » Wed Apr 07, 2021 12:16 pm

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In post 614, PookyTheMagicalBear wrote:You're also not letting new information affect your decision but have instead decided to go with the "bingle is trying to javelin-throw lose the game immediately on d1" interpretation of events...
No I'm not saying that at all D:

No Face isn't saying the Bingle and Pooky are a team read because of interactions

It just so happens that Pooky is my lowest read in the group of 6 and Bingle is my lowest read in the group of 3
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Post Post #626 (isolation #42) » Wed Apr 07, 2021 12:18 pm

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Why would No Face neeeed to vote you? You're leading me into a trap with this team logic theory... :p
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Post Post #633 (isolation #43) » Wed Apr 07, 2021 12:23 pm

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Post Post #637 (isolation #44) » Wed Apr 07, 2021 12:26 pm

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Well just a note to Pooky, this is how I form reads. If two of my scumreads or poe are unlikely to be partners with each, it's not like I'm just going to abandon them

Independentally, they are both still suspicious to me. If anything, it means I may be correct on one but not the other :(
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Post Post #641 (isolation #45) » Wed Apr 07, 2021 12:27 pm

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And yes, No Face is basically outed this game and is Hectic :D
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Post Post #643 (isolation #46) » Wed Apr 07, 2021 12:28 pm

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Pooky you were never even a push? I never gave good reasons or tried to get people to vote you, you were just bottom of my reads

You asked me about my read and are now trying to make it out like it is one :^
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Post Post #651 (isolation #47) » Wed Apr 07, 2021 12:30 pm

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In post 640, PookyTheMagicalBear wrote:You can tell this is what he is doing right now with his push on me. It's not alignment sorting - it's push to kill.
This really isn't true :<
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Post Post #654 (isolation #48) » Wed Apr 07, 2021 12:31 pm

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In post 647, PookyTheMagicalBear wrote:the essence of his push on me isn't "I scumread Pooky"

it's I town-read everyone else for ___, ____, ____, and _____

It leaves one person out of the equation, notably that's himself.

It's an effective strategy for pushing mis-elims on d1 because you create a coalition/support by handing out townreads to get people to help you, and you create a mutual target for everyone to go after.

It's also incredibly difficult for me to defend against because he's not actually scum-reading me for anything, so there's nothing for me to refute

then tomm after I'm flipped town he will "go back" to his townreads and "think" about where he went wrong.
But why can't I just be town who townreads the other 4?_?
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Post Post #668 (isolation #49) » Wed Apr 07, 2021 12:41 pm

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Pooky if you want the reasons why I think you could be scum and have been on the back of No Face's mind:

In the last coalition game you played as town, you were really excited about the prospect of a day 1 win and actively pushed hard for it. But while doing this you were also outting lots of reads are trying to win the game by finding town and scum

In this game, you acted similarly about the big day 1 win but did nothing to help it like giving reads or finding town/scum. It's like you're going through the motions but not doing the fieldwork I saw you were eager to do in that coalition game

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Post Post #673 (isolation #50) » Wed Apr 07, 2021 12:44 pm

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He was in a hydra with Koba

Mystic Bears, it was a fun account :D
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Post Post #679 (isolation #51) » Wed Apr 07, 2021 12:52 pm

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Infniiiiiiity I can't believe you voted me right after I thought you might be town >:_
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Post Post #681 (isolation #52) » Wed Apr 07, 2021 12:53 pm

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No Face was a little frustrated at the preemptive BOP you were using back then but is fine about it now :×
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Post Post #683 (isolation #53) » Wed Apr 07, 2021 12:54 pm

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Ydrasse is posting so many words and solves she must be scum :(
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Post Post #704 (isolation #54) » Wed Apr 07, 2021 1:03 pm

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:%

If you disagree, you should respond to the posts earlier and say why Menalque
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Post Post #790 (isolation #55) » Wed Apr 07, 2021 1:38 pm

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Menalque I don't remember the last time you townread me D:

actually it was that time I was scum in nightmare :<
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Post Post #794 (isolation #56) » Wed Apr 07, 2021 1:39 pm

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Pooky you're treating me like I'm guilty until proven innocent :/
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Post Post #805 (isolation #57) » Wed Apr 07, 2021 1:43 pm

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Again Pooky: all I did was townread 4 players and say I wasn't townreading you

that's all I did and you put a whole load of agenda and added scum motivation to it like I'm hard driving a miselim on you

I think you really might be scum :/
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Post Post #813 (isolation #58) » Wed Apr 07, 2021 1:45 pm

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In post 802, PookyTheMagicalBear wrote:I haven't even pushed you until I gave you multiple chances to re-evaluate your push on me in the light of new information and seeing that you chose to ignore it each and every time I have no alternative but to see this as a scum motivated push to kill and not genuine in trying to sort me.
I didn't see anything that made me re-evaluate... why does that make me scum? You reacting like this and basically forcing a 1v1 makes me feel worse about you, not better :[
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Post Post #816 (isolation #59) » Wed Apr 07, 2021 1:46 pm

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I pushed you basically all game when I was Pyro and you thought I was town the whole time :~
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Post Post #827 (isolation #60) » Wed Apr 07, 2021 1:50 pm

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In post 817, PookyTheMagicalBear wrote:
In post 805, No Face wrote:Again Pooky: all I did was townread 4 players and say I wasn't townreading you

that's all I did and you put a whole load of agenda and added scum motivation to it like I'm hard driving a miselim on you

I think you really might be scum :/
I mean that's kind of how you push mis-elims in a pool of 6 players with 1 scum.

you buddy 4 of them with townreads pretty quick, you push the other one that you think you can get votes on and then you never re-eval their position - just double down and push till they die

then tomm go re-eval your "four townreads"
But I didn't double down and push you till you died? I made those reads literally earlier today Pooky :{
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Post Post #843 (isolation #61) » Wed Apr 07, 2021 1:55 pm

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I think Pooky's scum...

I really don't like the reasons he's giving to push me :2

He has a lot more energy than me though and I'm not 1v1 material
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Post Post #845 (isolation #62) » Wed Apr 07, 2021 1:56 pm

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Like I had an early suspicion

Pooky turned it into me driving and pushing a miselim and attaching an agenda to it

and now we're here :@
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Post Post #854 (isolation #63) » Wed Apr 07, 2021 1:58 pm

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I know how Pooky is in his prime 1v1ing and I hate 1v1ing

I don't pick him to push anyway if I was scum :#
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Post Post #863 (isolation #64) » Wed Apr 07, 2021 2:03 pm

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Why are you like this Menalque ::
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Post Post #869 (isolation #65) » Wed Apr 07, 2021 2:04 pm

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In post 798, Menalque wrote:
In post 790, No Face wrote:Menalque I don't remember the last time you townread me D:

actually it was that time I was scum in nightmare :<
Vote vanders and u get to live
In post 857, Menalque wrote:I wouldn’t quickhammer u pooky

If I was gonna do it I’d have done it

I’m still holding out hope that vanders or no face accidentally gets put at E-1 and I can lolhammer
mostly these :|
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Post Post #919 (isolation #66) » Wed Apr 07, 2021 2:43 pm

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I simply don't have the energy for this 1v1 Pooky is forcing but I do think him forcing it is very scum-indicative. I would rather just be eliminated today than have to fight him for pages upon pages if that's what it takes though, it just isn't enjoyable for me at all to do that

Menalque and skitter both scumread as usual :)

(I smile but I am actually reasonably frustrated)
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Post Post #920 (isolation #67) » Wed Apr 07, 2021 2:44 pm

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*scumread me
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Post Post #965 (isolation #68) » Wed Apr 07, 2021 4:16 pm

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In post 923, PookyTheMagicalBear wrote:
In post 919, No Face wrote:I simply don't have the energy for this 1v1 Pooky is forcing but I do think him forcing it is very scum-indicative. I would rather just be eliminated today than have to fight him for pages upon pages if that's what it takes though, it just isn't enjoyable for me at all to do that

Menalque and skitter both scumread as usual :)

(I smile but I am actually reasonably frustrated)
hectic r u town? :(
Yes... I'm not kidding when I say I probably never try and mislaunch you day 1. I've seen that you don't go down without a lot of fight from that game where skitter mislaunched you or that recent micro you were in

That's waaaay too much effort for me and I don't have the mental fortitude

Are you town? &_&
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Post Post #967 (isolation #69) » Wed Apr 07, 2021 4:24 pm

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I got the creeps from

Bingle managed to agree with both of us while also calling both of us scummy %_%
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Post Post #970 (isolation #70) » Wed Apr 07, 2021 4:31 pm

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In post 966, PookyTheMagicalBear wrote:I'm obviously town

I would just be shitposting nonstop in the 3P if I was scum >.>
Why would you put yourself in the 3p hood? 2_"
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Post Post #971 (isolation #71) » Wed Apr 07, 2021 4:36 pm

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In post 969, Vanderscamp wrote:I think it might be pooky and bingle.
I really don't like Bingle for agreeing with Pooky's reasoning that I'm scummy for not reevaluating that one of my scumreads happens to be voting the other. I've been pushed for this as town before and I've never understood it, I just treat my reads independently, and no, Bingle voting for Pooky while I'm sus of both is not going to magically make me less suspicious of Pooky. Yes, it means they are less likely to be aligned if Bingle commits to that vote/push but before that, distancing is a thing, and even if I think Bingle/Pooky aren't aligned, what do I do? I townread 4 others in that and Pooky is nullscum, I don't just randomly go and scumread one of my townreads. I just really don't understand that scumread/reason at all but maybe Pooky and I just think differently

What I really don't like is Bingle agreeing with that assessment though (_(
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Post Post #972 (isolation #72) » Wed Apr 07, 2021 4:42 pm

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In post 947, Bingle wrote:Not really?

Pooky is saying that No Face not reading into my willingness to eliminate Pooky as a possible argument for PookyTown presents itself as proof that No Face isn't actually attempting to read Pooky.

Me unvoting Pooky could mean that I could be scum with Pooky FYPOV, but that doesn't particularly detract from the argument that Pooky is making because at the time that No Face started pushing Pooky I was the biggest proponent of the elimination. Using my unvote to justify the behavior that came before my unvote is backwards logic, unless you also want to argue that NF knew I was going to unvote.

Hence, both Pooky and No Face are fairly scummy. In the world where Pooky is town, he raises some valid points about No Face. In the world where No Face is town, there is still circumstantial evidence that flipping Pooky is a strong play.

Does someone want to towncase Y for me? I'm a bit gunshy on townreading her based on a genuine attempt to gamesolve D1 for reasons I can't go into atm, and would be grateful for explanation.
Bingle is saying this but not considering distancing is just a thing. A simple vote and early push isn't gonna make me rule out Bingle/Pooky as a scumteam. If Bingle is committed to it and really pushing it, sure, that means something, but Bingle didn't do nearly enough to rule that out as SvS, and he in fact unvoted later, proving that yes, it is easy for scum to distance and they can in fact change their votes and/or mind later. It's not like Bingle's committed to throwing out Pooky with that initial post

He has both Pooky and No Face bottom of his reads, he could totally just justify voting for me over Pooky eventually

I'm not sure if Pooky/Bingle are aligned but the point is, they definitely could be, and it's silly to assume I should rule that out

I do think Bingle is scum though "_"
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Post Post #973 (isolation #73) » Wed Apr 07, 2021 4:43 pm

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Maybe I should vote for Bingle then :!
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Post Post #974 (isolation #74) » Wed Apr 07, 2021 4:44 pm

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No Face will dwell on this <:>
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Post Post #982 (isolation #75) » Wed Apr 07, 2021 5:07 pm

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You were a PoE read at the time, I had no reasons to think you were scum

I had some reasons to think Pooky were scum but they weren't strong, see here:
In post 668, No Face wrote:Pooky if you want the reasons why I think you could be scum and have been on the back of No Face's mind:

In the last coalition game you played as town, you were really excited about the prospect of a day 1 win and actively pushed hard for it. But while doing this you were also outting lots of reads are trying to win the game by finding town and scum

In this game, you acted similarly about the big day 1 win but did nothing to help it like giving reads or finding town/scum. It's like you're going through the motions but not doing the fieldwork I saw you were eager to do in that coalition game

:/
I have absolutely no issue voting alongside a PoE read on someone that I think could be scum

Who do you want me to towncase? !_!
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Post Post #986 (isolation #76) » Wed Apr 07, 2021 5:18 pm

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Ydrasse isn't locktown, but is very likely town because:

-Probably doesn't put herself in group of 6 when person in there needs to survive longer
(she doesn't think highly of her scumgame and she just came out of a scumgame which lasted a while)

-Didn't feel the need to fake any solving early, wasn't trying to "look town" as Infinity would put it

-None of the solving she's done since then has raised any red flags. It's all things I can see the logic behind and why she believes it

-Ydrasse rarely puts herself on the line or really out there as scum, and her so vehemently defending me or pushing Pooky is town-indicative

-The exclamation mark read by Infinity is unironically good

This is a pretty subjective and hard to sheep towncase, but you asked for it


Also, on an unrelated note, Infinity is now my top townread in the group of 3

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Post Post #991 (isolation #77) » Wed Apr 07, 2021 5:25 pm

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In post 989, Bingle wrote:
In post 986, No Face wrote:she doesn't think highly of her scumgame
Is this actually accurate? I got the opposite impression from FLectic. She seemed pretty comfortable pocketing FL and you drafter her.
She jokes about being the best scum player etc but she doesn't actually think she's good as scum, no

She pocketed Flava with good vibes and fluff, not solving honestly £-
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Post Post #993 (isolation #78) » Wed Apr 07, 2021 5:26 pm

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In post 988, PookyTheMagicalBear wrote:
In post 668, No Face wrote:Pooky if you want the reasons why I think you could be scum and have been on the back of No Face's mind:

In the last coalition game you played as town, you were really excited about the prospect of a day 1 win and actively pushed hard for it. But while doing this you were also outting lots of reads are trying to win the game by finding town and scum

In this game, you acted similarly about the big day 1 win but did nothing to help it like giving reads or finding town/scum. It's like you're going through the motions but not doing the fieldwork I saw you were eager to do in that coalition game

:/


1. That coalition game was me and koba hydra'd and we were both spamming the game cuz when you put 2 alpha-shitposters in a hydra you get an alpha-shitposter squared.

2. my reads that game weren't very good - pretty much had a scum in my coalition the whole time, I was wrong about farren almost the entire way I think?

3. me taking over the thread that game actually stagnated the game state because once everyone was like "ok bear is obvtown and we will sheep them" - the game state slowed down dramatically and people stopped posting as much and we ended up getting bored and not having really an idea of what to do.

4. the only thing I thought I did successfully that game was abuse norwee enough to the point where he obvtown'd himself. I felt kind of bad about that afterwards and I think I'm better at reading him now so I don't think I need to resort to a full scale shitpush just to sort his slot anymore.
Okay

I just read Norwee by waiting for someone else to push him and seeing how he reacts 2_2
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Post Post #995 (isolation #79) » Wed Apr 07, 2021 5:28 pm

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Pooky do you disagree with or still think I'm scummy for it?_?
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Post Post #999 (isolation #80) » Wed Apr 07, 2021 5:40 pm

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In post 998, Vanderscamp wrote:
In post 996, PookyTheMagicalBear wrote:Do you not understand that if Bingle and I were team-scum and if I were to flip scum he would just lose there and the distancing would be worth not a thing?
I'm not sure if this is referring to me, but I understand that point.

I don't think scum are going to refuse to vote their partners at any point, because that's very obvious.
Bingle has just clearly implied that he's against early majorities, and he is almost certainly not the only one.

I think scum bussing at random points in the day (especially prior to unvoting their partner when they actually reach E-1) is extremely possible since I think scum can expect their partners to often not get randomly majjed without warning.
^Vander answered for me Pooky

Also, again: You and Bingle were never a team read, it was just my independent leans for each group. Pre-flip solving bad :+
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Post Post #1005 (isolation #81) » Wed Apr 07, 2021 5:51 pm

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In post 1000, Bingle wrote:
In post 995, No Face wrote:Pooky do you disagree with or still think I'm scummy for it?_?
FWIW, the fact that you weren't looking at the ripcord I had to bail on the wagon is a major part of what I didn't like about you ignoring Pooky's attempt to get you to look at the gamestate. Like, there was a very clear answer to what Pooky was saying and you didn't put in the thought to find it.
What do you mean? You unvoted after Pooky and I had that discussion. I'm pretty sure I suggested multiple times that you could just unvote later and you could be distancing -]-

I don't like how I find myself arguing for why you two could be aligned though when it wasn't the point in the first place. I treat my reads independently and don't pre-flip analyse
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Post Post #1011 (isolation #82) » Wed Apr 07, 2021 6:01 pm

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I see what you mean, Bangle. I didn't go looking for that because I was never trying to convince Pooky you two could be aligned in the first place, I think I got dragged into that later because the point kept coming up, but my main point was:

If Bingle does something with makes Pooky and Bingle less likely to be aligned
It means one of those reads of mine may be incorrect, it does not make me reevaluate and start townreading Pooky somehow, or not townreading others I had reasons to townread
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Post Post #1012 (isolation #83) » Wed Apr 07, 2021 6:02 pm

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In post 1008, Bingle wrote:
In post 1005, No Face wrote:pre-flip analyse
Pre flip analysis is actually super useful when you have limited scumteam options. For example, my vanders towncase. He doesn't have a viable scumpartner fmpov, therefore he is probably not scum.
Yeah actually this specific setup makes it a lot more useful than it normally is

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Post Post #1013 (isolation #84) » Wed Apr 07, 2021 6:03 pm

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:H
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Post Post #1014 (isolation #85) » Wed Apr 07, 2021 6:04 pm

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Maybe it's skitter because she's wrong on Infinity

I'm wielding my righteousness BOPingstar ','
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Post Post #1015 (isolation #86) » Wed Apr 07, 2021 6:05 pm

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That post is probably gonna be seen as scummy, oh no

I have doomed myself and the only escape now is a modkill. I'll post my role PM soon :<
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Post Post #1018 (isolation #87) » Wed Apr 07, 2021 6:11 pm

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Pooky bringing up this whole debacle arguing why him and Bingle aren't aligned probably means they're not aligned funnily enough. It invites a lot of scrutiny and discussion on exactly that pairing, and why give town that opportunity to spot any S/S associatives... I'm unsure if that's stupid

What if it's actually skitter/Pooky and that's why they aren't hooded together

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Post Post #1023 (isolation #88) » Wed Apr 07, 2021 6:29 pm

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Norwee we've come so far from insta scumreading each other every game... No Face shed a few shadows :^

Pedit: I actually think your pushback was scummy though Pooky that's the thing... now it's not a poe read, it's a Pooky is doing something strange and scummy read

If Bingle's scum, it's probably with Vanders is my guess
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Post Post #1025 (isolation #89) » Wed Apr 07, 2021 6:31 pm

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When have I ever pushed you when you were scum? I.i
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Post Post #1029 (isolation #90) » Wed Apr 07, 2021 6:35 pm

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Menalque
Ydrasse
Vanders
Norwee
Pooky

are my reads right now for the group of 6 actually. That Vanders wall looks solid

What do you think of Norwee, Pooky? *.*
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Post Post #1030 (isolation #91) » Wed Apr 07, 2021 6:37 pm

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In post 1028, PookyTheMagicalBear wrote:have you ever played scum vs town me? I dont know all your alts :3

i remember every time I'm scum and you're town you usually don't push me and I end up pocketing you.

when we're town together usually you townread me except when you don't and then we end up doing some shitty fight
Uh.... Trust Fall was the only game I rolled scum while you were playing and that was with you lol

How do you think you would react to my vote here if you were scum then?.?
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Post Post #1031 (isolation #92) » Wed Apr 07, 2021 6:40 pm

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Does Norwee really put himself in the group of 6 to suffer like that though? I feel like that's a very good reason to townread both Norwee and Ydrasse /-/
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Post Post #1033 (isolation #93) » Wed Apr 07, 2021 6:42 pm

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I think:

Pooky/skitter
Vander/Bingle

are my predictions

I did it guys, I did the preflip analysis
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Post Post #1034 (isolation #94) » Wed Apr 07, 2021 6:43 pm

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In post 1032, PookyTheMagicalBear wrote:I'd pour you some tea and tell you a story about a Plumber and his favorite teddy bear and at the end of it you would be convinced I could do no harm.
Who do you think it is in the 6-group if this is a TvT? v:
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Post Post #1038 (isolation #95) » Wed Apr 07, 2021 6:53 pm

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I don't think you were ever going to be early launched and I've seen my fair share of scum being run up quickly and then town thinking "no way, that was too easy for this to be scum" to put any stock into that.

Remember redtea/Sujimichi's wagon in Undertale and how close we were to just winning there? But people got cold feet because it was too quick or whatever 7_7
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Post Post #1039 (isolation #96) » Wed Apr 07, 2021 6:55 pm

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Sometimes town are just right, or scum bus and hope town thinks the wagon was too easy a.z
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Post Post #1045 (isolation #97) » Wed Apr 07, 2021 7:03 pm

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In post 1036, PookyTheMagicalBear wrote:Don't think Mena would WK me here cuz he's in the elim pool and it's just way easier for him to just lol-hammer me,
I don't get this btw

Hasn't everyone townread Menalque? It's not a big concern for him, and lolhammering you would make him lose a lot of cred if he's scum and needs to survive long l.l
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Post Post #1047 (isolation #98) » Wed Apr 07, 2021 7:08 pm

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In post 1036, PookyTheMagicalBear wrote:I think its between Ydra and Vand if this is TvT, lean towards Vander - they're both very vehemently on your side, which is kinda how I think scum would play if they had a TvT fight in the thread to hide in.
I do agree with this and the way Vanders has agreed with me has given me Farkran-pocketing-Day-vibes all over again but I'm unsure st this moment if that's paranoia or reasonable

I'm pretty sure Ydrasse is town for other reasons

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Post Post #1050 (isolation #99) » Wed Apr 07, 2021 7:21 pm

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My heart wants me to stop believing in it but my head still thinks Pooky is scum T.T
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Post Post #1099 (isolation #100) » Thu Apr 08, 2021 3:35 am

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I can't get over that "scum-motivated push to kill" part '.x
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Post Post #1100 (isolation #101) » Thu Apr 08, 2021 3:47 am

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Other reads-

Menalque - Really disliked the way he called any town voting Pooky "throwing" and then didn't try and refute any if the reasons, but it's so absurd it's probably actually towny and just frustrates me since he's so confident in his assessment and just expects us to see the same

Vanders - The more and more he goes all in on Pooky being scum, the better I like him. He saw Pooky/I talking about how he could easily be scum if we're a TvT, since he's picking a side and playing off of it, but he just continued to do that and is really arguing his beliefs for why Pooky is scum. I buy it

Uh, currently, I just think we win the game if we flip Pooky

I will feel really bad if we're wrong though 7_7
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Post Post #1101 (isolation #102) » Thu Apr 08, 2021 3:52 am

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In post 1067, PookyTheMagicalBear wrote:
In post 1065, NorwegianboyEE wrote:Pooky’s making it out like it’s an very aggressive push from No Face, when it’s not. And that seems a bit disingenious from Pooky.
Norwee how dead do I have to be before it's considered aggressive?
No matter how I wrap my head around it, I can't take this line as good faith from Pooky

Everyone has an early suspicion and vote, yes scum need mislaunches, but town also vote whoever they most suspect at any given time. He's somehow managed to characterize my PoE vote with nor reasons attached and not soemthing I tried to push at all as "aggressive, intent to kill, driving a miselim"

I never started properly reading and pushing him as scum
until
he was scumreading me for those absurd reasons

and then there's the Bingle thing which I really don't want to talk about again...

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Post Post #1102 (isolation #103) » Thu Apr 08, 2021 3:54 am

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By line I mean that line of approach, not just the line in that post obviously

I've dug down very deep and may actually be tunneled now. Someone throw me a rope and a torch u_u
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Post Post #1104 (isolation #104) » Thu Apr 08, 2021 3:56 am

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Why would Norwee put himself in the group of 6 to suffer

UNLESS he didn't realise how the setup worked and thought the person in the group of 6 had an easier time /s

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Post Post #1107 (isolation #105) » Thu Apr 08, 2021 4:07 am

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Norwee is Norwegian imo.o
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Post Post #1110 (isolation #106) » Thu Apr 08, 2021 4:17 am

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:(
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Post Post #1111 (isolation #107) » Thu Apr 08, 2021 4:21 am

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In post 937, Menalque wrote:VOTE: norwee
Norwee can you acknowledge Mene voting you and let us know your thoughts and feelings :]
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Post Post #1142 (isolation #108) » Thu Apr 08, 2021 6:06 am

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I've been talking about your reaction and trying to understand it nonstop since it happened Pooky -.-
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Post Post #1143 (isolation #109) » Thu Apr 08, 2021 6:07 am

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In post 1135, PookyTheMagicalBear wrote:
In post 1101, No Face wrote:
In post 1067, PookyTheMagicalBear wrote:
In post 1065, NorwegianboyEE wrote:Pooky’s making it out like it’s an very aggressive push from No Face, when it’s not. And that seems a bit disingenious from Pooky.
Norwee how dead do I have to be before it's considered aggressive?
No matter how I wrap my head around it, I can't take this line as good faith from Pooky

Everyone has an early suspicion and vote, yes scum need mislaunches, but town also vote whoever they most suspect at any given time. He's somehow managed to characterize my PoE vote with nor reasons attached and not soemthing I tried to push at all as "aggressive, intent to kill, driving a miselim"

I never started properly reading and pushing him as scum
until
he was scumreading me for those absurd reasons

and then there's the Bingle thing which I really don't want to talk about again...

#.#

Hectic is there any point where you actually tried to have a conversation with me about my alignment before I accused you of trying to kill me?

Are you going to say that you weren't trying to kill me ?
An early vote from PoE is not trying to kill, no

it was the first irl day of the game and you blew it out of proportion like I was lining you up as the designated mislaunch or something which baffles me

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Post Post #1147 (isolation #110) » Thu Apr 08, 2021 6:11 am

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In post 1144, PookyTheMagicalBear wrote:
In post 1142, No Face wrote:I've been talking about your reaction and trying to understand it nonstop since it happened Pooky -.-
Ok explain how this reaction makes more sense from scum!me than town!me then
I thought 1v1s were your thing as scum? Might be where you're more comfortable in or thought you needed to cause this and not get PoEd out if I was correct in townreading everyone else. Are you saying you wouldn't react like this as scum>

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Post Post #1152 (isolation #111) » Thu Apr 08, 2021 6:14 am

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In post 1146, PookyTheMagicalBear wrote:
In post 1143, No Face wrote:it was the first irl day of the game and you blew it out of proportion like I was lining you up as the designated mislaunch or something which baffles me
are you not trying to kill me? like am i reading this situation wrong here?
I do want you flipped now, but not back then, it was a vote, not
I want to kill this person right now
. The reason I scumread you now is because of the way you've reacted to this whole thing 4-4
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Post Post #1154 (isolation #112) » Thu Apr 08, 2021 6:15 am

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In post 1151, PookyTheMagicalBear wrote:
In post 1147, No Face wrote:
In post 1144, PookyTheMagicalBear wrote:
In post 1142, No Face wrote:I've been talking about your reaction and trying to understand it nonstop since it happened Pooky -.-
Ok explain how this reaction makes more sense from scum!me than town!me then
I thought 1v1s were your thing as scum? Might be where you're more comfortable in or thought you needed to cause this and not get PoEd out if I was correct in townreading everyone else. Are you saying you wouldn't react like this as scum>

?.?
Ok buddy are you honestly going to say that you think I have the upper hand 1v1ing you here?
The support didn't go your way but what indication did you have it wouldn't when you started this whole thing? '/'
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Post Post #1160 (isolation #113) » Thu Apr 08, 2021 6:17 am

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In post 1155, PookyTheMagicalBear wrote:
In post 1152, No Face wrote:I do want you flipped now, but not back then, it was a vote, not I want to kill this person right now. The reason I scumread you now is because of the way you've reacted to this whole thing 4-4
ok then explain to me why scum!me wants to force a 1v1 then
Pooky why do you keep asking me these questions like I have to perfectly explain your scum motivations to determine you're scum? Your reaction feels bad faith to me and that's scummy

I could ask you the same question: Why do I pick
you
of everyone to vote in the first place, and when you push back on me, why do I double down? You know I don't like 1v1s or conflicts like this, and would rather avoid it as scum

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Post Post #1162 (isolation #114) » Thu Apr 08, 2021 6:18 am

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In post 1157, PookyTheMagicalBear wrote:
In post 1154, No Face wrote:The support didn't go your way but what indication did you have it wouldn't when you started this whole thing? '/'
I started this whole thing when you put me at e-1 and there were multiple people not on the wagon who indicated they would be ok with killing me.

why would I even think support would go my way ? r u seirous?!?!
No? It was before you were ever put on e-1.1
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Post Post #1170 (isolation #115) » Thu Apr 08, 2021 6:22 am

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all indicate you think I'm scum, no?]]#
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Post Post #1173 (isolation #116) » Thu Apr 08, 2021 6:24 am

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You worded them like you think I'm scum and putting on a farce.../.
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Post Post #1174 (isolation #117) » Thu Apr 08, 2021 6:26 am

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In post 1163, PookyTheMagicalBear wrote:
In post 1160, No Face wrote:Pooky why do you keep asking me these questions like I have to perfectly explain your scum motivations to determine you're scum? Your reaction feels bad faith to me and that's scummy

I could ask you the same question: Why do I pick you of everyone to vote in the first place, and when you push back on me, why do I double down? You know I don't like 1v1s or conflicts like this, and would rather avoid it as scum

2_2
Because I don't think you've actually thought out why this reaction makes 0 sense from Scum!Me and I wouldn't react to town!you pushing me this way as scum at all.

You doubling down on voting me out for my reaction to you is borderline ridiculous at this point
You keep saying you wouldn't react like this as scum, then how would you actually? You gave a non-serious answer earlier, but I'd be interested in hearing how you think you'd actually react 1{£
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Post Post #1181 (isolation #118) » Thu Apr 08, 2021 6:39 am

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Pooky we both know you sometimes to do things as scum that can't be explained by anything other than you doing it because you want people to think you'd never do it as scum. You pushing for yourself to be left behind in Trust Fall comes to mind

In reality, I don't really know why you would here but I also don't understand why town!you would react the way you did here ~.~
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Post Post #1183 (isolation #119) » Thu Apr 08, 2021 6:40 am

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In post 1180, NorwegianboyEE wrote:
In post 1177, Infinity 324 wrote:He feels much townier than when I vigged him
You vigged him in that game?
Well that makes Infinity/Vanderscamp even more unlikely than it already was.
Why does that make them less likely?.?
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Post Post #1185 (isolation #120) » Thu Apr 08, 2021 6:41 am

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In post 1182, PookyTheMagicalBear wrote:no me pushing for me to be left behind in trust fall made perfect sense.

I wanted to get the people who were scum reading me out of the game so I could more easily manipulate the game state.
What about you being okay with not dancing with anyone in Epilogue?-?
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Post Post #1189 (isolation #121) » Thu Apr 08, 2021 6:45 am

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I'm not saying that Pooky, I'm saying I don't know the exact scum motivation behind your reaction but you having the thoughts which led you to that reaction feels less likely to be real and coming from town!you !;
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Post Post #1193 (isolation #122) » Thu Apr 08, 2021 6:51 am

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In post 1190, PookyTheMagicalBear wrote:Like map out what happens if scum!me forces a 1v1 on d1/d2 while at a disadvantage.

probly 60%-80% of the time you elim me, game is over

40%-20% of the time, I elim you, I get elimmed on the next day, town has 2 chances to elim my partner in 3 players, there's probably enough info from D1 to narrow down who the partner is or at least rule out one partner.

Either way I lose.

So why would I even expend the energy to pursue almost certain loss?

This makes 0 sense for scum!me to do to town!you yet you continue to insist that's what's happening here nad that's what's like mindboggling to me. That you think this is a path that scum!me decides to go down.
The 1v1 was started on this post or before:
In post 647, PookyTheMagicalBear wrote:the essence of his push on me isn't "I scumread Pooky"

it's I town-read everyone else for ___, ____, ____, and _____

It leaves one person out of the equation, notably that's himself.

It's an effective strategy for pushing mis-elims on d1 because you create a coalition/support by handing out townreads to get people to help you, and you create a mutual target for everyone to go after.

It's also incredibly difficult for me to defend against because he's not actually scum-reading me for anything, so there's nothing for me to refute

then tomm after I'm flipped town he will "go back" to his townreads and "think" about where he went wrong.

Here's the VC:
In post 650, SirCakez wrote:
Votecount 1.3

PookyTheMagicalBear (3) - No Face, Ydrasse, Bingle
No Face (2) - PookyTheMagicalBear, Infinity 324
Vanderscamp (2) - Menalque, NorwegianboyEE
Infinity 324 (1) - skitter30

Not voting (1) - Vanderscamp

(expired on 2021-04-20 14:23:00) remain until day end

skitter30 is perpetually V/LA on Fridays and Saturdays.

With 9 players alive, it takes 5 to reach a majority.
I don't think you're at a big disadvantage by any means. Vanders and Norwee both haven't sided with either of us yet, and you probably think Mene will side with you

I don't think it's as handicapped a position for you at that time as you're making it out to be 2'2
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Post Post #1194 (isolation #123) » Thu Apr 08, 2021 6:52 am

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In post 1192, PookyTheMagicalBear wrote:
In post 1189, No Face wrote:I'm not saying that Pooky, I'm saying I don't know the exact scum motivation behind your reaction but you having the thoughts which led you to that reaction feels less likely to be real and coming from town!you !;

Which thoughts feel fake to you that couldn't come from town!me?
Thinking I've decided you're the miselim for the day when all I did was PoE vote you, and thinking I should reevaluate one irl day into the game just because Bingle is also voting you and he's my bottom read in the group of 3

gs.d
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Post Post #1195 (isolation #124) » Thu Apr 08, 2021 6:53 am

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In post 1184, NorwegianboyEE wrote:This is a true 1v1 between No Face / Pooky
They are completely deaf to any other sounds.
Kinda makes it feel even more townie tbh. I'd expect scum!them to try to win over everyone else's side in pushing through the other as an elimination rather than just have pure arguing.
LA LA LA I CAN'T HEAR YOU

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Post Post #1196 (isolation #125) » Thu Apr 08, 2021 6:56 am

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In post 653, Ydrasse wrote:pooky, i basically feel the same way about you, am i scum for voting you? i don't feel like you've done anything this game that's towny, you gave us a ~plan~ but it doesn't feel like you've much done anything to facilitate that plan giving us good results
Ydrasse voted you for the same exact reason of PoE and acknowledged that, but you still think I'm scummy for it even though you can see another player in our pool has done the same thing, and we can't both be scum together (one of us is town at least)

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Post Post #1197 (isolation #126) » Thu Apr 08, 2021 6:57 am

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In post 971, No Face wrote:
In post 969, Vanderscamp wrote:I think it might be pooky and bingle.
I really don't like Bingle for agreeing with Pooky's reasoning that I'm scummy for not reevaluating that one of my scumreads happens to be voting the other. I've been pushed for this as town before and I've never understood it, I just treat my reads independently, and no, Bingle voting for Pooky while I'm sus of both is not going to magically make me less suspicious of Pooky. Yes, it means they are less likely to be aligned if Bingle commits to that vote/push but before that, distancing is a thing, and even if I think Bingle/Pooky aren't aligned, what do I do? I townread 4 others in that and Pooky is nullscum, I don't just randomly go and scumread one of my townreads. I just really don't understand that scumread/reason at all but maybe Pooky and I just think differently

What I really don't like is Bingle agreeing with that assessment though (_(
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Post Post #1200 (isolation #127) » Thu Apr 08, 2021 7:10 am

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In post 1198, PookyTheMagicalBear wrote:
In post 1194, No Face wrote:Thinking I've decided you're the miselim for the day when all I did was PoE vote you, and thinking I should reevaluate one irl day into the game just because Bingle is also voting you and he's my bottom read in the group of 3

gs.d

when you PoE vote someone,

you are not trying to sort their alignment

you are trying to kill them.

Do you not understand this?

If you voted me with a I think Pooky is scum because ___ & ___ or whatever, maybe we could have a conversation and you could sort my alignment

but you're not doing that...

The only time you posted where you actually presented suspicions, I actually responded in detail and you just hand-waved it with a joke.

That is very clear to me you are
not
interested in my actual alignment and you are more interested in killing me.
Or I vote where my suspicions lie and I'm not tied to my vote for the rest of the game and my reads can change, especially when it's been 1 irl day? Votes and wagons generate information, what else am I supposed to do if I townread these 4 and think this 1 is nullscum? Not vote them? I don't get it Pooky ahbwidcoewkwnwbxkso

I was satisfied with your coalition reasons and though they were fair which is why I just said okay btw. I'm not satisfied with your pushback at all though

No Face is flying away for now into a different realm _^_
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Post Post #1273 (isolation #128) » Thu Apr 08, 2021 11:07 pm

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In post 1222, skitter30 wrote:
In post 1126, NorwegianboyEE wrote:
In post 1083, skitter30 wrote: Going thru the votes/players on it:
Nor - dont remember his vote or like anything he's said
I wasn't on it.
oh maybe that's why i don't remember your vote then :lol:
who was the other vote

ydrasse jingle no face infinty (e1) vander (e1)

or was infinity only e2 and i'm misremembering it as two e1 votes
i feel like someone unvoted in between
This isn't the first time skitter's tried to recall votes that she could easily look up by ISOing the mod. Being lost is one thing, but this feels like she may be playing that up? ;,;
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Post Post #1275 (isolation #129) » Thu Apr 08, 2021 11:09 pm

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In post 1227, skitter30 wrote:i'm finding this no face / pooky thing to be kinda boring and circular. i think they're most likely tvt tbh
Does it being boring/circular make it more likely T/T over T/S?

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Post Post #1276 (isolation #130) » Thu Apr 08, 2021 11:15 pm

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In post 1247, Vanderscamp wrote:There's a bit to respond to there but it blows my mind how I could be considered flipbait and not pooky, given what each of us has said this game
lol I think Vander being offended at called limbait is +town

I think scum are more likely to be fine with that characterization :D
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Post Post #1277 (isolation #131) » Thu Apr 08, 2021 11:19 pm

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In post 1255, skitter30 wrote:- i think that pooky is townier than hectic and i think he originally didn't fully understand what hectic is saying and now being right matters more to him than anything else.
Isn't caring about being right rather than admit to mistake/misunderstanding a scumtell? Why do you think that makes him towny? I.I
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Post Post #1278 (isolation #132) » Thu Apr 08, 2021 11:25 pm

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In post 1267, PookyTheMagicalBear wrote:Like I only have so much patience for this game dude.

Like we literally went through this exact same thing the last time we played.

Fark-scum pushes for my elim on D1, I identify him correctly as scum I push for his elim, nobody listens to me...

Even after he shot me dead at night, you were still on his side.

Like how do I get through to you ?

I don't want to write 600 posts in d1 and get ignored. It's not worth it for me.

It's exhausting. I don't need the aggravation from a game I play for fun dude.

Is it just me ? Am I that not understandable for you?
The difference is your points were at the very least towny in that game and no one really scumread you at the height of tou pushing Fark. Even if people didn't completely agree with them, they could see why you believed them and why you'd be town.

Here, I'm not the only one who's struggling to see why you believe what you're posting :_
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Post Post #1279 (isolation #133) » Thu Apr 08, 2021 11:27 pm

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Bingle: I'd like to hear what your read on Pooky is now and if it's changed at all over the past couple of days :j
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Post Post #1280 (isolation #134) » Thu Apr 08, 2021 11:29 pm

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Menalque
Ydrasse
Vanders
Norwee
-
Pooky

~~~

Infinity
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Bingle
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Post Post #1301 (isolation #135) » Fri Apr 09, 2021 2:07 am

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In post 1288, Menalque wrote:
In post 1273, No Face wrote:
In post 1222, skitter30 wrote:
In post 1126, NorwegianboyEE wrote:
In post 1083, skitter30 wrote: Going thru the votes/players on it:
Nor - dont remember his vote or like anything he's said
I wasn't on it.
oh maybe that's why i don't remember your vote then :lol:
who was the other vote

ydrasse jingle no face infinty (e1) vander (e1)

or was infinity only e2 and i'm misremembering it as two e1 votes
i feel like someone unvoted in between
This isn't the first time skitter's tried to recall votes that she could easily look up by ISOing the mod. Being lost is one thing, but this feels like she may be playing that up? ;,;
Uh I’m p sure that if she wants to fake being lost this isn’t how she goes about it

Weird take, chief
I find it weird she hasn't just gone back to look at the votes considering she's brought up she doesn't know them a few times now
In post 1299, NorwegianboyEE wrote:Doubt it’s Ydrasse/you.
Between Hectic/Pooky i’ts really hard because i feel like both could be scum. Either Pooky wanted to force through an No Face lim but sucks at it, or No Face is scum and Pooky is the only sane man that can see it. Aka, the Farkran effect.
Honestly Pooky is the Farkran of this game in the sense he's lying about something which can easily be fact checked if you go back and read (me pushing to kill him apparently)

I do think Pooky is scum Norwee so you shouldn't take that "he's convinced the other is scum and no can see it" in only one direction. Well, I suppose others can see it on my side which gives me more confidence that it is just Pooky

Mene's right and you were towny in your reaction to his vote and I don't think it's a coincidence I'm comfortably townreading all 4 of you and scumreading Pooky. I feel pretty good about it just winning the game

:^

Also: I think Vanders is only scum with Infinity and Infinity's very town
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Post Post #1302 (isolation #136) » Fri Apr 09, 2021 2:14 am

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In post 1227, skitter30 wrote:i'm finding this no face / pooky thing to be kinda boring and circular. i think they're most likely tvt tbh
In post 1234, skitter30 wrote:
In post 1231, Infinity 324 wrote:
In post 1230, skitter30 wrote:i'm p sure i just said i don't suspect norwee
i'm gonna be honest i townread a lot of the 6p and most of the others are more ~null which isn't ideal but i'm working on it
Who are the null reads
it's roughly in order of: ydra, mean, vander, pooky, no face, nor with ydra being the strongest townread and nor being someone who mechanically is unlikely to be scum (unles sit's like with you) but i don't townread on play

i don't really explicilty scumread anyone in that group which like i said i'm aware is a problem but i'm working on it
Also also: I think the way skitter is acting about Pooky right now makes me fancy that's the team. She's called it probably a TvT but then also said she townreads a lot of people on the group of 6 and has both of us close to the bottom? It doesn't really make sense to simultaneously think it's a TvT while also having us below Ydrasse/Menalque/Vanders

It's a convenienct stance which she's more incentived to make if she's just scum with Pooky. She can't exactly be the only person vocally saying it's TvS and I'm the scum since that'll reflect really badly on both of them if one of them ever flips scum

Pooky/skitter- Lockin' it in
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Post Post #1303 (isolation #137) » Fri Apr 09, 2021 2:16 am

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Post Post #1304 (isolation #138) » Fri Apr 09, 2021 2:26 am

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Not only that, but: skitter townreads Menalque/Ydrasse/Vanders, and has mech reasons to think Norwee is town even if he's not towny by play, and yet despite all that comes to the lazy conclusion that we're TvT? Naaaaah

I scumread skitter regardless of what Pooky is now because of how bizarre that outlook is, but it makes so much more sense if skitter is taking the TvT stance because Pooky's her partner and taking a TvS stance loses her the game if me/Pooky are the first two launches

VOTE: Pooky

Let's win this !.!
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Post Post #1305 (isolation #139) » Fri Apr 09, 2021 2:27 am

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Post Post #1308 (isolation #140) » Fri Apr 09, 2021 3:26 am

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Infinity do you get what I'm saying? [/[;
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Post Post #1313 (isolation #141) » Fri Apr 09, 2021 3:42 am

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Awesome I'm hyped for the day 1 win :"
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Post Post #1314 (isolation #142) » Fri Apr 09, 2021 3:44 am

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Maybe this is going into confbiased territory but I can also totally see Pooky taking the group of 6 position for skitter, considering skitter's been very unenthusiastic about playing scum for too long in recent times, and might've preferred the group of 3 position :r
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Post Post #1331 (isolation #143) » Fri Apr 09, 2021 5:10 am

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Pooky, those coalition reasons were why you were nullscum rather than null at the time I voted you. I think I've made it very clear that I scumread you for entirely different reasons at this point:

-Characterizing my vote as driving a mislem/voting to kill, when it wasn't
-Saying I should reevaluate you because Bingle is also voting you and I have Bingle also in my PoE, when they were independent reads, not team ones
-skitter is acting very strange around you and I think you're partners

I just haven't felt like you're arguing in good faith whenever I've engaged with you, and I'm not sure why you expect me to change my mind or vote based on it :y
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Post Post #1332 (isolation #144) » Fri Apr 09, 2021 5:13 am

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Pooky... Pooky.. Pooky... you're now trying to make it a big deal that I didn't reevaulate you after you addressed my coalition reasons I guess?

let me make it very clear:

>I vote you because I townread 4 others and you were nullscum for the coalition reasons
>You pushed back on me and I started scumreading that pushback
>You addressed those coliation reasons
>I continue voting you because I scumread you for stronger other reasons

Get it?.?
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Post Post #1338 (isolation #145) » Fri Apr 09, 2021 5:23 am

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In post 1337, PookyTheMagicalBear wrote:
In post 1332, No Face wrote:>I vote you because I townread 4 others and you were nullscum for the coalition reasons
>You pushed back on me and I started scumreading that pushback
>You addressed those coliation reasons
>I continue voting you because I scumread you for stronger other reasons
You say you scumread me for my reaction and pushback.

But when I ask you for why my reaction/pushback make sense from a scum!pov, you say you don't know.

again not a real thought process or good faith on your part.
It could be from scum!you for a few reasons, I said I don't know the exact reason and don't need to...

If you want possible reasons:
-You like 1v1s and feel comfortable in them
-You thought you could win this 1v1
-You assumed I or others would think that you wouldn't try and 1v1 me as scum
-You believed in your reasoning as scum and thought it would make you look towny, which is why you pursued this 1v1

It doesn't matter to me. It reads of bad faith .-.
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Post Post #1339 (isolation #146) » Fri Apr 09, 2021 5:24 am

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In post 1335, PookyTheMagicalBear wrote:
In post 1331, No Face wrote:-Saying I should reevaluate you because Bingle is also voting you and I have Bingle also in my PoE, when they were independent reads, not team ones
-skitter is acting very strange around you and I think you're partners

This again is fitting the worldview to the mis-elim.

When presented with evidence that his read on the game doesn't fit with the elim he's driving at, he will just change his worldview to one that does fit with the elim he is driving at.

"oh bingle doesn't work with pooky as a scum partner? well let's use skitter then!"
You're talking in big picture mode but not addressing my actual reasons on why skitter's behavior is really strange around you e_E
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Post Post #1340 (isolation #147) » Fri Apr 09, 2021 5:26 am

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Sorry, I really think you're scum. Even the way you're acting in this 1v1 feels really different to me

You thought I was scum in Undertale when we 1v1ed there and you felt completely different - you were full of compassion, constantly worried you might wrong, and sad rather than frustrated

You feel like scum on the ropes here

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Post Post #1345 (isolation #148) » Fri Apr 09, 2021 5:35 am

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In post 1343, PookyTheMagicalBear wrote:
In post 1338, No Face wrote:It could be from scum!you for a few reasons, I said I don't know the exact reason and don't need to...

If you want possible reasons:
-You like 1v1s and feel comfortable in them
-You thought you could win this 1v1
-You assumed I or others would think that you wouldn't try and 1v1 me as scum
-You believed in your reasoning as scum and thought it would make you look towny, which is why you pursued this 1v1

It doesn't matter to me. It reads of bad faith .-.
I've literally already addressed this

It doesn't matter in the Scum!Me world if I win this 1v1 or not.

Either (a) scum!me gets killed by you and I lose.

or

(b) I kill you, I die the next day, you say only skitter makes sense as my partner so she dies next and we lose?

Like why would I even put myself through that experience by pursuing a 1v1 with you? It's ridiculous you think I bother doing this when I'm going to lose at the end of it no matter what if I'm scum.
Well it looks that way now, but when this thing started, you probably didn't anticipate it'd be looking like this a few days down the line. Maybe you were hoping for it to be called a TvT by most, or that people thought your reasoning was towny so you were towny regardless :?
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Post Post #1347 (isolation #149) » Fri Apr 09, 2021 5:36 am

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If you're actually town, then sure, I'd take the yeet next and join you for some salt memes in the dead thread lol

but I don't think so :2
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Post Post #1350 (isolation #150) » Fri Apr 09, 2021 5:39 am

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I'm saying possible motivations for why scum!you would make the initial decision to 1v1 me Pooky

obviously it looks dire for you now and you wouldn't make the same decision back then as scum .'.
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Post Post #1353 (isolation #151) » Fri Apr 09, 2021 5:42 am

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It's not fake, if you flip town, I'd feel bad and wouldn't fight or try and defend myself much if people wanted my blood tomorrow - this has already been way more effort than I usually put into a mafia game this early, it can be a little draining

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Post Post #1355 (isolation #152) » Fri Apr 09, 2021 5:43 am

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In post 1352, PookyTheMagicalBear wrote:
In post 1350, No Face wrote:I'm saying possible motivations for why scum!you would make the initial decision to 1v1 me Pooky

obviously it looks dire for you now and you wouldn't make the same decision back then as scum .'.
uh so it didn't look dire for me when you had 4 votes on me and people not on the wagon saying they wanted to kill me? lolol what world are you even pretending to live in
The 1v1 started before you were on L-1 and it looked that bad for you...

see this is what I mean by misrepping facts that can be looked up, did you take a page from Farkran's book?
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Post Post #1356 (isolation #153) » Fri Apr 09, 2021 5:43 am

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In post 1354, PookyTheMagicalBear wrote:
In post 1347, No Face wrote:If you're actually town, then sure, I'd take the yeet next and join you for some salt memes in the dead thread lol

but I don't think so :2

like a town player just never says this ever.

because if I flip town, why would he just eat the yeet and let town go to lylo? lol just wild the stuff he is making up here
because I don't care and I'm tired :.
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Post Post #1358 (isolation #154) » Fri Apr 09, 2021 5:44 am

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In post 1193, No Face wrote:
In post 1190, PookyTheMagicalBear wrote:Like map out what happens if scum!me forces a 1v1 on d1/d2 while at a disadvantage.

probly 60%-80% of the time you elim me, game is over

40%-20% of the time, I elim you, I get elimmed on the next day, town has 2 chances to elim my partner in 3 players, there's probably enough info from D1 to narrow down who the partner is or at least rule out one partner.

Either way I lose.

So why would I even expend the energy to pursue almost certain loss?

This makes 0 sense for scum!me to do to town!you yet you continue to insist that's what's happening here nad that's what's like mindboggling to me. That you think this is a path that scum!me decides to go down.
The 1v1 was started on this post or before:
In post 647, PookyTheMagicalBear wrote:the essence of his push on me isn't "I scumread Pooky"

it's I town-read everyone else for ___, ____, ____, and _____

It leaves one person out of the equation, notably that's himself.

It's an effective strategy for pushing mis-elims on d1 because you create a coalition/support by handing out townreads to get people to help you, and you create a mutual target for everyone to go after.

It's also incredibly difficult for me to defend against because he's not actually scum-reading me for anything, so there's nothing for me to refute

then tomm after I'm flipped town he will "go back" to his townreads and "think" about where he went wrong.

Here's the VC:
In post 650, SirCakez wrote:
Votecount 1.3

PookyTheMagicalBear (3) - No Face, Ydrasse, Bingle
No Face (2) - PookyTheMagicalBear, Infinity 324
Vanderscamp (2) - Menalque, NorwegianboyEE
Infinity 324 (1) - skitter30

Not voting (1) - Vanderscamp

(expired on 2021-04-20 14:23:00) remain until day end

skitter30 is perpetually V/LA on Fridays and Saturdays.

With 9 players alive, it takes 5 to reach a majority.
I don't think you're at a big disadvantage by any means. Vanders and Norwee both haven't sided with either of us yet, and you probably think Mene will side with you

I don't think it's as handicapped a position for you at that time as you're making it out to be 2'2
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Post Post #1360 (isolation #155) » Fri Apr 09, 2021 5:45 am

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In post 1357, PookyTheMagicalBear wrote:
In post 1353, No Face wrote:It's not fake, if you flip town, I'd feel bad and wouldn't fight or try and defend myself much if people wanted my blood tomorrow - this has already been way more effort than I usually put into a mafia game this early, it can be a little draining

:d
you'd feel bad for killing town me so you'd make it up to me by letting town you also die??

r u serious!?!?!?!?

how is this a real thought in your head?!?
Sigh...

Right now the thought in my head is that you're scum and we win the game if we flip you

Other thoughts are tiring to think about, but I probably would be too tired to fight tomorrow if people came after me, yes :i
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Post Post #1361 (isolation #156) » Fri Apr 09, 2021 5:47 am

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I'm checking out Pooky, I think you're grasping at whatever you can and I shouldn't get dragged in

I'm sorry if you're town, but I really don't think you are $_$
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Post Post #1363 (isolation #157) » Fri Apr 09, 2021 5:50 am

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I was making a joke about joining you in the dead thread for some salty memes, but truth is: I wouldn't fight my launch, yes. I'm not some perfect town player who wouldn't take a loss so easily. You just saw me play as Sans Undertale where I literally did the same thing. I didn't want to tire myself by casing Harley/Ydrasse to the thread, so I just left the dance with me/hatters on the less likely scumflip (and we lost)

s.s
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Post Post #1364 (isolation #158) » Fri Apr 09, 2021 5:51 am

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In post 1362, PookyTheMagicalBear wrote:it's fake because that's not how town!you would actually think about a town!me flip

you don't make it up to town!me by throwing town!you in a river and joining me and then town is at lylo without a clue where to go next.

like what r u even saying dude
Pooky was the mod of the game where I just did this:
In post 2064, Sans Undertale wrote:i'm not, but i think i'd rather be done with this. and i don't see myself ever convincing everyone to vote one of the other groups out without a lot of effort and casing, but that's not my style this game.
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Post Post #1365 (isolation #159) » Fri Apr 09, 2021 5:52 am

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I GOT DRAGGED BACK IN

Leaving for real now, 1v1s sure are taxing, huh? I remember why I try and avoid these at all costs now :4
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Post Post #1454 (isolation #160) » Fri Apr 09, 2021 4:35 pm

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:D
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Post Post #1455 (isolation #161) » Fri Apr 09, 2021 4:35 pm

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we're soul masons Pooky... I coul just tell <3
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Post Post #1458 (isolation #162) » Fri Apr 09, 2021 4:38 pm

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Yep, Cakez confirmed it up there :)
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Post Post #1461 (isolation #163) » Fri Apr 09, 2021 4:55 pm

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Menalque: to be completely transparent on what I meant earlier by "why are you like this": you have very strong opinions as town but don’t engage much with others on why you think they're wrong, instead you kind of just shout at them and call them bad
Aka this was after we'd given a lot of reasons why Pooky was scum:
In post 688, Menalque wrote:Yes, I hate this wagon so much

Why is this a thing

Basically anyone on the wagon bar maybe ydrasse would be a better wagon

Literally why

If you’re town and at least two of you are why are you throwing
In post 696, Menalque wrote:Literally give me one reason why pooky is actually scum?
In post 697, Menalque wrote:And given that nobody is actually able to do that maybe this wagon is just terrible? Like maybe?
I just found it frustrating at the time but I've come to terms with the fact we have much playstyle clashes :]
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Post Post #1462 (isolation #164) » Fri Apr 09, 2021 4:56 pm

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In post 1460, Infinity 324 wrote:Ydrasse I am going to try really hard to not hold your towngame to unreasonable expectations of towniness from now on
right after this one she's gonna have a town game where she hard lurks start to finish :9
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Post Post #1464 (isolation #165) » Fri Apr 09, 2021 4:59 pm

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I'll join this movement ^.^
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Post Post #1484 (isolation #166) » Fri Apr 09, 2021 5:40 pm

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Alright, Mene, that makes sense. Overall I still enjoy playing with you so it's no biggie <3

Adopting the Norwee outlook seems risky though, that guy is kinda wild b.b
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Post Post #1485 (isolation #167) » Fri Apr 09, 2021 5:41 pm

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In post 1480, PookyTheMagicalBear wrote:all i know is you and hectic lured me into some TFT games and ruthlessly plundered my LP while killing me in mafia at the same time >.>


very brutal :3
Install a mod which blacks out any fortune units in the shop

Your LP will skyrocket y:
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