MT 2203: Grand Idea Upick: Awakening [Endgame]

[VFP]

VOTE: Vaxkiller

[mahimahi]

Thank you to whoever saved us? You are truly blessed

We guessed for Korina's role and Raya with something random and 0 of our guesses were correct, ergo, Korina is lying

VOTE: Korina

hehe and you thought you could get away with it when you tried to poorly counterwagon us, Korina. Well,

crime

cults never pay

Flea, you're still on the deathlist but we'll deal with you later

Pedit: oh? what's the info, VFP?

-mahi

[mahimahi]

Vaxkiller could be lying for who knows what reasons, but one thing's for sure, Korina is lying about their role which makes them not-town, and we need to exterminate all not-town

Let me make this very clear:

The wagon on mahimahi was ABSURDLY dense with scum yesterday. We have a very powerful investigative town role, a role capable of guiltying any non-town member in the game. We're a must kill for any scum, since they literally can't claim without it getting disproven by us the following night. When they saw we were a viable wagon, you bet a whole lot of scum jumped at that opportunity to get rid of us via a vote on day 1 instead of having to worry about killing us at night.

Guillotina is very likely scum for similar reasons. He was at L-1 with intent declared but would not claim because he KNOWS, that even if he gets out with a claim, we would be able to check him the next night and disprove it, there's absolutely nothing he can claim that buys him more than just a day, so he'd rather claim nothing at all.

VFP on the other hand is very likely town for their eagerness to claim to us when we initially claimed our role

Korina, Flea, Guillotina, KidAmn are all put on mahi-deathrow. Raya is still being evaluated... she may have been misguided and we were calling here flipped town so as scum you'd think she would want to keep us around even if we're an uber strong town role. TemporalLich and Almost50 have the finger of mahi pointed at them but they're less of a priority compared to the evil 4


-mahi

[CaptainS]

VOTE: Korina

My second favourite for the chop is
Guillotina just purely down to Day 1 actions.

Still an uneventful night in the Captain household.

[TemporalLich]

you seem a bit too confident mahi

you were revealed to be a prince, but Korina really is claiming to not know how a Miller works in GIM.

VOTE: Korina

(don't know if this is E-1)

Mostly because Korina claimed to be a role that gets a false Mafia result, and tried to use that to deflect a Cult investigation. I told everyone no elim Day 1 was a terrible fucking idea, and it was kinda forced on us because we ran up a Prince.

btw, Miller returns "Mafia" to cops and that's it. "Wrong Place at the Wrong Time" is the miller for all cop-likes which would return a false Cult result. Though neither of these roles screw with an Alignment Cop.

[TemporalLich]

ebwop: my vote is E-2

[Almost50]

Im the role mahi mahi claimed. I said I could clear myself because I thought he was telling the truth and there is something that could be checked about my role that they could answer... and would also confirm me

VOTE: Vax

That's not even how mahi's claimed role works. You can only tell if the target has the EXACT ROLE they claim to be or not.

Also, entertain me.. who was your other check??

[TemporalLich]

okay yeah not sure how I missed that

VOTE: Vaxkiller

you're a worse liar than Korina is, and the fact this is a uPick makes you look even more scum.

[Almost50]

Ur 6823

Yes, that was my third pick;

I SENT IN ONE-SHOT DEATHPROOF CULT LEADER, AND DIDN'T GET IT, I'M ANGRY ABOUT IT, DON'T REMIND ME I DIDN'T ROLL CULT

Your claimed "pock" in #14 does not match this recent "admission" of having picked

Elite Cult Leader

VOTE: Korina

[TemporalLich]

Ur 6823

Yes, that was my third pick;

I SENT IN ONE-SHOT DEATHPROOF CULT LEADER, AND DIDN'T GET IT, I'M ANGRY ABOUT IT, DON'T REMIND ME I DIDN'T ROLL CULT

Your claimed "pock" in #14 does not match this recent "admission" of having picked

Elite Cult Leader

VOTE: Korina

... that just wants to make me vote Vaxkiller even more

we now have a situation where 1 is

definitely

lying and the other is probably lying

in fact it looks like co-aligned scum being too obviously co-aligned scum

[KidAmn]

...OK, so Korina has lied at least once about their 3rd pick, and their promised kill on Vax didn't happen. Vax has almost certainly lied to try and get Korina lynched and VFP has asserted they can prove so, and nono who pretty much only SR'd Korina died last night. mahimahi has also declared more or less their entire wagon to be scum and that Korina's claimed role doesn't match their Guesser check.

This feels pretty much like scum who believe they can't NK Korina decided to create an overabundance of "evidence" to set up a lynch.

Again, for the record, given that Korina has almost certainly lied to us at one point or another regarding their pick, AND is a claimed Miller, that apparently doesn't know how Millers work, that slot dies before endgame. But, given that Vax has pretty openly fakeclaimed, VOTE: Vaxkiller

[Almost50]

UNVOTE:

I dunno anymore

Neither make sense to me. WHy would Vax fake a result like that knwoing he goes down next if he is lying? Also why would Korina admit to having picked Elite Cult Leader rather than just stick with "Vax is lying"?

Also also, "Vax is lying" serves Vax better if they are Scum/Cult together. If Korina flips Elite Cult Leader; Vax is semi-confirmed (there's another 2-shot Number Cop Role aligned with WWs), and if Vax is flipped nobody would ever think he was trying to yeet his Cult Leader/Scum partner.

So I ask: WTF ID GOING ON HERE?

(A few minutes later..) << Check footnote

I have a craze theory of a Vax (BP) and mahi (Yeet-Proof) Scum team. If this is the case then it makes "some sense" for the BP to try and take down the NK-Proof Vig to protect his partner. This -however- DOES NOT EXPLAIN how Vax "guessed" Korina's exact post-number (even if it wasn't true).

Another crazy theory is Vax was Korina's recruit and has a role strong enough to be worth confirming (probably NK-proof still). Now either of them gets yeeted and the other becomes untouchable by day too; since no scum will come out to say "I tried killing him and he didn't die".

(A few more minutes later..)

And as I go on I can think of a case for Vax to be Town (or WW) too, with the Role he claims to be, and that is a Scum RB targeted Korina thinking they'd be framing BOTH when Vax doesn't die, only Korina is actually Cult which they didn't account for. Korina meanwhile thinks he got Scum (since the recruit didn't go through) .. but this I'm not even sure about in GIM. Like; it does say

Normal

Cult Leader, so it should only go through on TOWN aligned players, but I dunno if Ircher would agree.


As I read on I see mahi are claiming a guilty on Korina as well. OK, what if MAHI is a WEREWOLF NUMBER COP, and VAX IS A WEREWOLF "something or another"?? Also, what if Ircher does agree Cult Leader fails to recruit NON-TOWN? (I know I am being "too Almost50" to be taken seriously now, but this is where my mind is drifting right now).

Actually, I found a suitable Role for Vax to fit my theory: 6875, with WEREWOLF alignment chosen by mod for it. Vax already saved mahi and exhausted his 1-shit so is effectively a WW "Vanilla" and is thus expendable (especially if there is a third WW). How am I doing??

FOOTNOTE: As per Mod advice I am trying to "draft" my responses and combine them in one post when I'm done, OF COURSE I did forget to do that earlier (me & Korina are amnesiac IRL)

[Almost50]

@KidAmn & @Raya: I believe in you too. Please read my "crazy stuff" up there and try to work out something then return a verdict. I don't know which way to go right now because I think ALL THREE of Korina/Vax/mahi are suspicious, but maybe I am way off base, and if I make the wrong call we may be giving Scum and advantage (my best theory is the last one, so I think we yeet Korina first to limit the damage from Cult and then we deal with WWs)

[Flea The Magician]

daaaaaaaamn gutted I fell asleep, the reruns are never as good as the live O.O


So, Vax is lying about their role, that screams caught because ye gods the flip around - obvious informed connection to Mahi imo...

Gunna check the votecount...
VOTE: Vaxkiller [E-2] and then Korina is resolved for tomorrow and if this is a scumflip Mahi goes back on the block ^_^ simples.

[KidAmn]

UNVOTE: because I want to look through A50's post and see if we can build a working plan of action first, as much as I enjoy a good LaL. Agree on balance that the (slim, but still extant) possibility of multiball/cult/other shenanigans means we need to step carefully on how we unsnarl this. Will have to wait till later though, a touch slammed at work.

[TemporalLich]

Ur 6823

Yes, that was my third pick;

I SENT IN ONE-SHOT DEATHPROOF CULT LEADER, AND DIDN'T GET IT, I'M ANGRY ABOUT IT, DON'T REMIND ME I DIDN'T ROLL CULT

Your claimed "pock" in #14 does not match this recent "admission" of having picked

Elite Cult Leader

VOTE: Korina

I'm treating this as Day 1: the sequel

therefore I'd prefer to vote scum than not vote - and as far as I know both Vax and Korina look like co-aligned scum liars

[TemporalLich]

ebwop: remove the quote

[Vaxkiller]

I'm not lying. Cult korina confirmed my ability.

[Flea The Magician]

OK so lets say Korina is a cult leader who targetted you...

Why would it fail on you if you're town? iirc it can only fail on cult or night action immune roles?

[Flea The Magician]

VFP waiting on your confirmation btw.

[Vaxkiller]

The conspiracy theory's to explain how I'm something other than I am are pretty ridiculous.

Korina lied. Korina confirmed my ability.

EVEN IF I AM SCUM (which im not) you still NEED to kill Korina TODAY. Tonight will sort itself out as scum likely don't want me finding them. I've accepted my fate.

[Vaxkiller]

VFP waiting on your confirmation btw.

Dude. VPF's statement wasnt role related..... wait and see.

[Vaxkiller]

My apologies, fae, as I realized the word above is gendered wrong.

[Vaxkiller]

VOTE: Vakkiller

I can tell you now that Vaxkiller is lying.

This is just VFP saying that this is what he believes.

[samantha97]

hey VFP why was your role not confirmed and why is everyone voting vaxkiller when he's auto dead tomorrow if he's lying? makes 0 sense to post something like this:

VOTE: Vaxkiller [E-2] and then Korina is resolved for tomorrow and if this is a scumflip Mahi goes back on the block ^_^ simples.