Mini 2204: Fakeclaim Mafia GAME OVER

[skitter30]

Hello i am still kinda vla but i'll be around soon (read: tomorrow or possibly Tuesday!) .

@mod i'm regularly vla on fridays ans saturdays!

This is an awesome pl and i'm looking forward :)

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Fire!!!!!
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I'll actually be around with real thoughts tomorrow but this wagon cakez is bad and y'all should feel bad
Also i disliked jake's positioning around it so VOTE: jake

I got townpings from fark and possibly someone else but i forgot who, i will go back and check tomorrow

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I’m not nearly good enough to be a hectic alt

Also hi skitter. Can I enter ur pocket this game

Always!

Fire!!!!!

there are no words that can describe my jealousy

Honestly i forgot you were in this one. Hello to u too!

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I’m not nearly good enough to be a hectic alt

Also hi skitter. Can I enter ur pocket this game

That's why you're 95% sirius.

Not an alt, but the player themselves

What do u think abt the fact that i'm voting u

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UNVOTE: /UNVOTE:

Too early to say anything but bouncing off skitter reads i'm not sure tnk is town either (wrt jake's positioning)

Sorry can u reword this? I'm not following what you're trying to say

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I'm not saying that it's mafia or anything, just that I don't like it from an asthetic standpoint.

how unfortunate

I'll actually be around with real thoughts tomorrow but this wagon cakez is bad and y'all should feel bad
Also i disliked jake's positioning around it so

What positioning?

disliked how he shaded cakez' wallpost and then memed as the wagon became a thing

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I assumed you didn't like jake voting TNK? If that wasn't your reason to vote jake, you may expand your reasoning too

Expanding my post: Jake voted TNK and i don't townread TNK

yeah and then disliked how they voted someone else while that was happening


do you scumread tnk or you just don't townread them?

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Thanks for saving me from a horrible fate skitter

well i hope i wasn't, like, messing up town's early wagoning of a scumz ...
(but in my experience wagons that look like that at that stage of the game tend to be on town ...)

[skitter30]

i have successfully infiltrated skitter pocket so now time to turn this pocket into a reverse pocket.

it would be nice to reach a level of mutual pocketdom !
we are not at that stage yet tho!

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that was meant to be you ... did the korina vote not happen while the cakez wagon was happening?

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It did, but I think voting Cakez would have been unwise, since they were [assuming hammers end the day] at L-2.

ah sorry i retract this - for some reason i thought this vote was earlier in the wagon than it actually was, so i take this point about the korina vote back
i still don't really like that you kinda ignored the whole cakez wagon, but i do kinda like how you're responding to these votes on you so eh UNVOTE:

[skitter30]

I guess im gonna have to tunnel u instead of being in ur pocket.

good plan

I'm actually contemplating acting very scummy just to get her to notice me >.>

hi pooky!!!

[skitter30]

Ok time to declare my first Real Townread: penguin

[skitter30]

Ok time to declare my first Real Townread: penguin

Looks like we'll be having factions again lul

Why are you townreading peng?

the same reason i was townrading him in jk++ that you tried to eviscerate me for - he's actively pursuing wagons, his fluff-content ratio is low, and he seems interested in making things happen

these are characteristics of his towngame, but are not present in his scumgame, and it's a very accurate way to read him imo

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Cakez tryharding is definitely not what is happening here

how are you reading him then

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i'll join the puppy wagon, it seems promising

VOTE: puppy

[skitter30]

i don't think any flipout would have happened irregardless of alignment

overall i think that he's been mildly +town and i think the early wagon on him is gross

not particularly interested in voting him rn

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i don't think any flipout would have happened irregardless of alignment

Maybe that's true, but it doesn't answer for why he had an isolated moment of frustration about shitposting then decided to do the same on this very page lol

i'm not sure what you're trying to say here

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i don't think any flipout would have happened irregardless of alignment

overall i think that he's been mildly +town and i think the early wagon on him is gross

not particularly interested in voting him rn

Mmmm....

hmmmmm?

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unless something super obvious is slipping my mind i don't think so? i was ina few he modded and one that he was town in

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he was being a little sassy on the prior page but i dont' think it says much abt his alignment
if anything i think it's +town for being kinda unrestrained on the emotions front but otherwise idk what you're trying to say

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i mean i'm not sure if he has achieved the same levels that i have in the Reading Penguin stat so i'm not sure he needs to be dense to be voting you?

and chillin: no i wasn't in w13. i may have thought abt joining for like a hot minute but didn't ultimately.
can you maybe quote an example of what you mean by 'bitching'?

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let me reread sircakez's iso cuz i'm gonna be honest i skimmed the first like 12 pages and i have no idea what either of you are talking abt

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This is a fine menage of shitposting until someone acts up out of tedium

rant: I hate the amount of shitpost-y players this game. the players are great but I feel like I have no grasp on half this playerlist

Cakez was the lucky winner

i mean this game is rife with shitposters and like i can understand why that makes him frustrated but if that's all that everyone is doing and him ranting abt it didn't change much why is it problematic for him to have joined in too?

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penguin i don't think he posted after you posted your list of examples so idk if he even saw them and just because he modded jk++ doesn't mean he read all of or knew how you reacted to wagons per se

i don't think him voting you necessitates him being dense

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not....sure why that's hilarious, but thank you.

because its EXACTLY what I expected you to do
it's just funny in how accurate you are to my perception of you

i thought that this was in response to you voting him? i'm not sure why that necessitates him knowing how you behave around wagons day1
i don't really get what your complaint is tbh

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I’m trusting you that I’m misunderstanding rn. I just don’t get how someone who uses “I’ve played with him and this is odd” and “my perception of you is accurate” is not using ill-informed information to push me which would be dense. But - don’t want to argue about that anymore given things.

i mean i think he might be ill informed and/or doesn't fully understand how you play (even if he think he does) but idk if that makes him dense or makes his push inherently vote-worthy

and fine we can drop it

[skitter30]

can i join the fusion

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also i forgot to say: hello unwnd!!!!
(although that might be pooky :) )

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aw i want to be with the cool kids

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ugh we need to try to beat penguin, he's very good at this game

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penguin is town
i don't think i'm, like, an expert on normal cakez behavior but like i think there might be nai factors in play + i think the wagon on him was bad so not really interested rn

pedit good plan

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when will people listen to me abt penguin already >.> this is like the third game in a row where i had to do this

if you know how to read him he's very easy to solve. he has certain traits that he rarely, if ever, exhibits as scum, but will usually accompany his towngame and he's doing them here.

yes it's early but he's doing them and i don't think he would be behaving this way as scum so he's town

he even agrees with me that i know how to read him, if you don't believe me, feel free to ask him

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tbf i'm not sure if you were in any of those games but this is like an ongoing saga and i think i've had this convo with at least three people in two different games in the last month and i still haven't been wrong since i started reading him this way like last summer

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assuming we weren't partners i think i would have to; i don't think he'd let me get away with hedging too long and i also don't know if i could try to misflip him since other poeple here (pooky in particular) i think know that i'm good at reading him so i'd look p bad upon a penguin-townflip

[skitter30]

or in other words: yes

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can you elaborate on promising?

Liked the people on it. He himself hasnt really done much ai

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Skitter should post more to consolidate her towniness, i get scaried when she's silent

Really busy week, life is finally back to normal now. You have something in particular u wanna talk abt?

[skitter30]

Klick, pp, brave, chillin, cakez as quite confident town

Korg i'd put as >rand town for mech but more like i don't care about voting him this day

Skitter should post more to consolidate her towniness, i get scaried when she's silent

Jake is somewhat of a conundrum to me because i don't particularly see him as scummy but i like people who voted him so far, i could sheep

Puppy should talk more, his answers weren't a bad start but if you're town you should help the game progress

Omgus and fire made almost no impression to me

Tnk is probably my highest sr, i can see myself voting there shortly ... i need to think about it some more

What did you like abt brave? Literally dont remember them doing anything

I like klick, pp, cakez. Kinda like unwnd from chillin too but dont necessarily agree with his pushes

Korg i kinda gut-liked actually

Jake is like surface-level scummy but i'm not sure fhat actually, like, makes them scum

Puppy omgus fire tnk i also have like no thoughts on

[skitter30]

Well i technically have thoughts on fire but not *ai* thoughts on fire, to clarify

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Oh and i forgot fark cuz i was going down his list >.>
I kinda like him too! He's trying to get things moving without having an agenda

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Who is sliding under the radar Fark?

Tnk, omgus, fire, puppy

Clearly this all can't be scum? I may have placed my vote on Puppy but I don't think the active crowd has something compelling for me to chew on. Right now I'd even go so far I only have about two townreads in the active bunch and a desperate amount of nulls

Who are the two townreads?

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dont like this.. dont get why jake made you angry at all, looking at his posts until then there was nothing i dont think that should have made you mad especially since there wasnt really much about you that was provoking

also maybe a little weird to say your flipping out days are over but express anger, feels strange to me despite this not being.. flipping out? i hope this makes sense

VOTE: SirCakez

Dont like this vote

[skitter30]

Why the fuck would you claim this? There's zero reason for you to claim at all.

Its almost for sure a ... fakeclaim >.>

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my activity in this game has nothing to do with my alignment either. I really don't feel motivated to play this game especially d1, since it seems very plausible everyone has a pr of some sort, so I'm mostly waiting for someone to flip and get night actions before doing anything

I dont love that you're coming in here, complaining at the activity, defending yourself, and then bouncing off without really doing anything to fix the activity

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Gun to head i would say the opposite actually

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Only if we can do it while rapping like in hamilton

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y do u think they're scum again? i'm getting like 'annoying' vibes but i'm not sure they're posting, like, maliciously or with actaully scummy motivation
+ their reaction to me voting them was decent
+ they're not really getting stressed at being brought up as a potential vote multiple times now

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I could vote tnk too but what made u change ur mind abt puppy?

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Also could u say what u liked abt blaze?

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I could vote tnk too but what made u change ur mind abt puppy?

I like the reads he produced. Puppy doubting penguin and cakez is believable although i disagree, and i agree with his other reads

eh i'm kinda underwhelmed but like given what half of the pl is doing i'm not sure that's, like, inherently flip-worthy

i don't really see the townposting in brave tbh. i'm not really seeing them advance the gamestate much at all tbh

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i can join on tnk
@klick i see what you mean but out of all the shitpost-y lurker slots i think this is one of the worst ones, i don't like how they're shading a fakeclaim in a game that's literally called 'fake-claim' mafia, and i don't like how they're coming in defendign themselves without doing much else tbh

most of the shitposting/lurking i'm not really able to get much ai out of but this i don't really like

VOTE: tnk

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Why the fuck would you claim this? There's zero reason for you to claim at all.

'maybe it's a... fakeclaim... in fakeclaim mafia...'

^

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hah!

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I kinda want to go back to Korg. His claim of being Mafia but not actually seems to be a shield.

i do'nt think this was korg, they're the one who claimed only being able to hammer or something, it hink this was omgus
i don't mind korg too much. not sure i townread him but out of everyone prob not my first choice for a flip

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can you quote the post you're thinking of?

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i didn't realize we only had 4 days left >.>

can we start consolidating plz

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>:(

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i mean it is a good few days but given the pace of the game i think it might be a good idea to start thinking abt it

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who do you have in mind

tnk or puppy or any of the lurkers

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I feel a lot of stop-start movement from this game right now

i know :/ i'm trying to get some movement happening

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Eh i'm finding tnk a worse than the others, then puppy, but all the other lurkers i'm kinda ambivalent on tbh

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Mmmmm - less liking compromising on tnk but....mmmm

because you prefer jake or because you think there's a better 'lurker' option than tnk

also: happy birthday!!!

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If puppy is scum, a look of their ISO teels me that they're teying to make me look guilty by assosiation.

uh this is certainly a take ....
but not necessarily one i see coming from scum? thought process is almost too convoluted

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pick one! we can't make a wagon if you name five people

i mean there's like several people i'm not really willing to wagon, leaving my wagoning-pool fairly big but despite that it's kinda hard to make wagons happen ...
also i've been p clear i'm leaning towards tnk
why are you voting omgus and not tnk?

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While I prefer jake it as because of when puppy hopped on. Ultimately, I’m fine though.

sorry i think that there might be an autocorrect issue here, i tried reading this like six times but i can't formulate it into a coherent sentence/thought

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Add a “w” in front of “as” to get “was”

ah ok ty >.>
i do agree that the puppy vote did give me some pause like idk all in all i feel p good with this wagon

also: this is why i was starting to promote consolidating like yesterday. there's like 4 active people and it's gonna take forever to get anywhere close to a consensus ...

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Yeah - but omgus has done more than tnk which is saying something.

like, barely lol
or maybe not even ... it's a very close competition

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Hi, prod received. I'm gonna claim my abilities.

I already used one with the dayvig, but I'm not gonna say the effect because that would ruin it.
Second, I can claim masons with anyone and get a PT with them for the night.
Third I can make anyone hated for the rest of the day.

I can only use one per day.

This is fakeclaim mafia. My abilities do not correspond with the presumed action. Fark did not die when I "dayvig'd" them, so it's clearly not a dayvig. The fact you're trying to push me for something that has clearly not been that is weird.
@Fark, I absolutely will tomorrow. My abilities are limited to one per day. In theory, we could just not have the thread locked if everyone claims masons with me and Fark tomorrow, when I use it.

i'm not really sure what the dayvig actually is, how many of these are true, or why you didn't just start the game suggesting everyone claim masons with you
also don't really like that this claim is like the only thing you've done in like 3irl days

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it looks like this wagon basically died cuz jake voted it
i'm gonna be honest i'm not super confident that jake is gonna flip scum. yeah the vote was bad and they're awkward but idk they kinda feel like an easy flip to me and some of their back-and-forth with penguin from a few pages ago i thought was unlikely to come from scum

if the korina wagon has died i'd rather omgus tbh VOTE: omgus

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indeed
i'm not 100% sure i buy korina's claim but it looks like the waogn died more cuz you voted it than anything else

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i mean i don't really get why you scumread him

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No

And if we have, I don't remember it, because I have no thought

these sorts of posts aren't really helpful but i feel like as scum he wouldn't be trying to antagonize you here as you're starting to get annoyed with him and vote him (and i'm p sure he knew he was being antagonizing) + i think he would have made more of an effort to try to like 'appease' you so to speak instead of just dismissing you

like i can see why you get that vibe but that's ultimately not really how i'm reading it

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Spoiler:

Why is "Town shouldn't vote for no reason" a bad take in your opinion?

There is never a “no reason” especially in early game. I mean - what do you think RVS is?

Why are you answering a question not poised at you?

Why are you not answering a question poised at you?

Because you're treating me like I've never played any game of mafia, ever.

Am I? You’re still deflecting instead of answering.

Because I don't need to answer. I don't need you to townread me, because I think you're scummy (which is why my vote is on you.)

If you think I'm scummy, then vote me. Call your herd of sheep to take me out.

Weirdly defensive.

I’d rather you just participate in this game by answering questions and interacting!

I am participating, just not with you.

a) but ok those were the posts that *i* was talking abt
b) i think that the tone continues through the above quoted posts

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Guess we just disagree then

apparently

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Cheesecake vendor - i bake yummy cheesecakes and give them to my friends!

(Cheesecake, as we all know, is clearly superior as a gift than fruit lol)

But yes deadline is looming can we like consolidate? A lot of people arent really utilizing their votes so i can imagine a universe tomorrow where my vote is needed on jake to get a flip, and i will do it to prevent a noflip, but i dont really think he's flipping scum and would prefer someone else

Fark also i disagree that korina's claim looks good pr seems real, it seems kinda made up to me

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Ya idk why i was singled out for that but now i can be part of the cool fakeclaiming club!

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Fark also i disagree that korina's claim looks good pr seems real, it seems kinda made up to me

A large part of it is likely made up, but i think it's made up in a way that wouldn't fit scum? I mean why would you insist on the dayvig part when it's so obviously fake instead of trying to save your ass with something plausible? My interpretation is that there's a chance that it comes from town crumbing, idk maybe i'm wrong but i felt like letting tnk live another day and see what happens

Meh, idk. I can see the merits in letting it slide for a day but i also sort of feel like they were using it *as* a get out of jail free card to slide for the day

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Ya idk why i was singled out for that but now i can be part of the cool fakeclaiming club!

wait does this mean I'm not getting cheesecake

There is no cheesecake lol

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Me and skitter aren't really ok with jake but i suppose we can compromise if deadline comes. I'd still rather do tnk than jake though, netting the claim i think tnk is scummier than jake

Yep this uust abt summarizes my opinion
I can go back to korina if that would be helpful
VOTE: tnk

[skitter30]

you couldve at least not ruined my dreams :<

If i actually make some i promise to post a pic

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In the interest of maintaining the Pokemon Avatar quota for this game, I have decided Not_Mafia will be replacing Firebringer. Not_Mafia has no choice in this matter, and will now be expected to post as if he had started the game as a player.

Deadline is extended to ~48 hours from this post to accommodate this replacement.

Lmao

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If i actually make some i promise to post a pic

this seems even more cruel than not making any in the first place :<

Well i do kinda like baking, maybe i'll be ambitious and try a cheesecake next

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When do i get recruited to the hydra?

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When do i get recruited to the hydra?

N2 if I get my cheesecake on N1

There is no cheesecake >.>

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Hmmmmm. Interesting outcome.

i am masons with TNK

I figured they would be a doctor or at least fakeclaim it, but i think it makes more sense for them to have said the truth given the moment in time they dayvigged me.

I dislike the wagon against jake though, and i may want to revise my position into VOTE: klick.

Pedit: do you have anything in mind, pp?

Also @skitter your opinion?

just to make sure - you were told they are town, and you weren't just neighborized by him?

why klick, i actually think he's town? i agree that i didn't love the jake wagon tho

wanna go here for now: VOTE: omgus

i think you were probably docced

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^
Seriously fark idk why you're townreading lion, they've literally done nothing all gane

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Seriously fark idk why you're townreading lion, they've literally done nothing all gane

Eh, it's a toneread + i remember his posts to be lackluster in content but mostly made with the purpose of advancing the game. To me, brave is a distant town player. I could be wrong, but i wouldn't vote there - besides, generally speaking i want to vote in-wagon today as i think there are more scum in than out

I mean can you quote some examples? He hasmt really done anything all game imo

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Fark do u know if tnk is town y/n?

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I dont understand the klick votes

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@fark the posts you're quoting for liking braveheart are like the most aggressively null posts i've ever seen, and i think you're overascribing townie intent to him

i'm not saying that he's scum and we ought to flip him rn, but i also really, really, really don't see a reason to townread him, and don't get why you are

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it's gonna be hard to get much done here with 2/3 of the game not doing anything

indeed

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i don't remember if i said that i was townreading korg, but i am
i don't really feel like i have much else new to add just now .... kinda wish all the people who weren't playing started to do so

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Hello ss
R u scum?

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vla for a day or two

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Heya mena
I think ur slot is sketchy

I'm having a bit of an offweek and just got vaccinated, so i might not be around for a bit

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whoo korina is town. that took me long enough:

also, get out of here, past self. it's my swamp now.

Talk to me more abt tnk? Even despite the claim and everything i'm not convinced they're town

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don’t have much to say currently, wi ll later

everyone want flip in sleepy slots and am fine with that

not sure why tnk is free and not in kennel right now but will trust others

I think i just figured out who u are ... and if i'm right ur scum >.>

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Korg town?

Fark scum?

Pooky, penguin meh

Cakez scum still

(fin pg 10)

I disagree with most of these >.>

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Hey all, I’m super high so I’ll get into this tomorrow

Congrats on the vaccine skitt, I hope it’s not too rough!

Same

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Ok i'm still on the omgus slot
Hmmmmmm

Ss i'm not married to this vote, it's half cuz the slot wasnt doing anything anf the game felt like there was scum in the lurkers, so i'm open to moving my vote if u seem townie, but if u are town i havent seen it yet

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Hey i'm finally feeling better s i'll be around shortly

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Talk to me more abt tnk? Even despite the claim and everything i'm not convinced they're town

it's from 497

this is the kind of post you make without really engaging your brain, and I'm not sure that scum would think about it enough to do fake town outrage but not enough to realize the claim is obviously a joke.

oh i missed this at the time, sorry >.>
idk 497 just looks like a super bad discredit to me

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I kinda prefer tnk over ss or mena tbh

are you townreading ss/mena at this point? or are you just expecting that you'll be able to get to a more solid read in the future?
i am still very partial to a tnk vote

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Prod received. I still don’t really have anything I feel is worth contributing atm.

i mean i feel like the game has been somewhat revitalized with people repping into the empty slots + we have the jake wagon to contend with, so there's things to interact with now >.>

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VOTE: farkran

bad vote

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actually, the penguin is very likely town

bc I don't think this is skitt's modus operandi when it comes to a buddy, which means either (1) skitt is scum pocketing Pingu (possible but not super likely) or (2) skitt is town and is strongly TRing him in which case it makes sense to trust skitt's read

either way the penguin comes out as town

mena's probably town

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like I don't want him banned from the site and I enjoy his speezy content but he needs to not be allowed to play mafia games anymore unless he like signs an agreement that he will actually play in the future and if he doesn't he gets a perma

mena u know my feelings on this
just feels like a waste to me

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I kinda prefer tnk over ss or mena tbh

are you townreading ss/mena at this point? or are you just expecting that you'll be able to get to a more solid read in the future?
i am still very partial to a tnk vote

The latter.

meh fair enuf
i'll go back here
VOTE: tnk

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i kinda feel like ss is more ~into~ this game upon repping in than he would be as scum if that makes sense

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very uninspiring

i mean sure in a vaccuum but given the context of 'just wrote a 16 hour paper and my brain is melting' it's probably fine/nai
and given that i still like his early-game content i'm still feeling p good abt klick tbh

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you look more ~into~ this game than several other games i've played with u recently

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unenthused

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Indeed

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Why are we killing TNK?

Shading people and their only content is defending themselves for not doing anything

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The first bc it was very clearly a joke, and the second bc I feel like ur TRing me far easier than you should be for what I’ve done here so far

Uh i'm under tbe impression you're pushing fark here? You were pushing back on his reads and made it clear you didnt like them and voted him. What part of that is meant to be a joke

I dont think u enter this way as scum

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I was so hyped to rep in but then the game itself has been really boring so far

Yes
You and ss have actually made it more interesting

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I’m biased bc I thought he was the NK when I was reading the first like 14 pages or so but I was reading along with his stuff there and going yeah yeah this sounds like town!kori

What part of it looks like town?

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Sheeping skitter/have you seen tnk’s iso?/there’s 1 day left

Korina was not the nk

no and also I realised that when I looked again and saw that it was jake

There was no nk

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I mean it came immediately after the post where he was beseeching those not voting to vote anywhere and then I v shortly afterward voted elsewhere

But fair enough I guess, I’m not reallly scumreading fark that hard I’m just also not TRing him? Like his overall approach here feels different from last game but idk if that’s bc he’s town or bc they got rekt in that mini-normal and so he’s trying something new where he’s presenting as a lot more laid back rather than trying to actively manipulate people really hard

I guess on balance I’d lean town

I think he's town and wont entertain a vote on him today
I definitely read your vote there as real

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Boop

Skitt what do you mean when you say you don’t think I’d enter like this as scum? What do you think I’d be doing differently?

Less energy and more agenda-y and less flail-y stream of consciousness-y and being more oriented around me and what i'm thinking

Or like: this convo literally doesn't happen if ur scum i'm p sure

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I’m biased bc I thought he was the NK when I was reading the first like 14 pages or so but I was reading along with his stuff there and going yeah yeah this sounds like town!kori

What part of it looks like town?

Like from what I remember of playing with kori he was super hyped to roll scum and very into 1v1s and liked to powerscum

Whereas when town he just had bizarro tales and was incredibly mislimmable (including because he regularly would lie about his role, which also seems to like up with what I’ve picked up on from side discussion here). I think he knows that makes him vulnerable so depending on how insane his role claim was I think it’s a bit +town for him

Uh this isnt how i think of town-them at all?

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Farkran - town?
SirCakez - dont really have a read
skitter30 - shining beacon of towniness, etc
PenguinPower - town
Korg - weaktown
Absolutely Chillin (PookyTheMagicalBear and unwnd), replacing PookyTheMagicalBear - town?
Klick - weak town
Jake The Wolfie - flipped town
Something_Smart, replacing OMGUS - nullscum
Puppy - nullscum
Brave Heart Lion - didnt have a read, its now mena so town
Totally Not Korina - scummy
Not_Mafia, replacing Firebringer - hardest of nulls

I townread enuf people and the game has been low action enuf that i'm kinda fine just flipping through the people i dont townread until/unless i get better reads on said slots

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i don’t think i’m being flail-y rn as it is but i also don’t think I’ve really been high energy this game or out of the range that I’m able to fake as ~enthusiasm~ when scum so I find both of those a bit weird as reasons to TR me

the agenda-y point is probably fair

idk is this conversation not me being oriented around you and how you’re feeling? Like what you’re saying isn’t totally cohesive to me

Panic room is what i kinda view as prototypical-rep-in-scum-you

Altogether i think this looks different, and that's my best way for explaining why

The flailing is another way of saying not-being-agenda-y. You're just saying random thoughts that pop into your head, but aren't building towards a convenient conclusion. I dont think the energy per se is by itself out of your scumrange but like the pitter-patter thoughts that were p clearly just thinking through in the moment is townie to me, and i dont think we get that from scum-you

And like idk you arent appealing to me
Or trying to mold your pov to mine
That's what i meant by orienting around me

Talking to me isnt really the same thing

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How do you think of town-them then?

I remember playing with kori a couple of times right after I started and kori got mislaunched D1 the first game we were town together

Uh tryhard actually

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Shading people and their only content is defending themselves for not doing anything

That's uh towny isn't it?

Uh no
Why do u think that's townie

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I feel like it’s not common for you to have this few SRs and to be so weak on them? Like maybe it’s a consequence of gamestate but still

Also weren’t you calling me out for disagreeing with me on all my reads a couple of pages ago and now our reads look.. quite similar? Idk mine are still pretty flux-y but idk why you were disagreeing about stuff like cakez!scum if he’s just null to you

Dude i'm working with what i have lol
There was an irl stretch of like 5 days where like 2 pages were posted

That might be a exagerration but like nobody's playing, i cant magic reads up out of nothing

It was mostly fark and penguin and pooky thag i disagreed with

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I just feel like my towngame is almost never actually TR correctly by town this early and with me not having done much and it’s making me paranoid

Hey remember that normal
Or, like, panic room

Idk i think i know how to read u p fast and accuratelty these days

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I liked unwnd's rep-in
Although now that u mention it i dont remember pooky posting in like forever >.>

@unwnd tell pooky the game is fun now with ss and mena

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Indeee

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No like 2 but they were super tryhard in both

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Why do u think that's townie

Well I mean clearly they want to avoid pressure, but I feel like they would know that as scum they have to do towny stuff to get townread?

Whereas it's towny to assume that a subpar effort will be sufficient because you're being genuine so you assume that people will see that

It sure doesn't feel scummy for me, at least. Arguably it's null.

Idk kinda feels like scum who want to get people off their back and so are being like: look this isnt scummy for me!!!1!

The fact that it isnt coming with, like, any amt of actual analysis, scumhunting, doing anything else to contribute to the game is ehat feels scummy to me

Feels like they just stopped by to defend themselves but dont feel like they need to do anything else

Pedit i'm p sure korina switched to they/them recently

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For sure in one and i'm blanking on the other but i'm p sure there was a second one

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viewtopic.php?f=52&t=77146

Vex in this one ^
I vibed with them so hard lol

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god panic room was so brutal lmao

honestly the worst slot i’ve ever repped into lol, although i think there was a game with tris and eth0s that came close

Panic room :)

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Idk kinda feels like scum who want to get people off their back and so are being like: look this isnt scummy for me!!!1!

I mean how does that come out differently from town who want to get people off their back?

I mean i answered it in the next paragraph: town also usually has some motivation to attempt to solve the game, and they're, just, not

Pedit ya

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Mena i will take a look at those

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town also usually has some motivation to attempt to solve the game

I think that probably cancels out because scum have the same motivation to appear to be solving, no?

No, they have the motivation to not die, and if theh think going 'guys look ur reasons for voting me are bad' will get votes off of them, i think they might just do that without tryint to go through the motions of solving too

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>.>

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No, they have the motivation to not die, and if theh think going 'guys look ur reasons for voting me are bad' will get votes off of them, i think they might just do that without tryint to go through the motions of solving too

I mean, that's true. Does your experience with Korina lead you to think that they would think that?

Not particularly either way but like it just feels very scummy to me

I'm also not sure why we're arguing abt this tbh

Also do u have other reads yet

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No

Man that's a good one

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If TNK!scum, S_S!scum?

I can see it
Would prefer tnk today tho

Pedit yes ur late to the party >.>

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Which convo

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U had it with me?

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I'm confused >.>
R u saying you had the convo you just had with me elsewhere also? Or something else

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I get it now sorry >.>

Wanna flip tnk before ss

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True, but I forgot this game existed, and on average, if I'm not interested in the game it doesn't really matter what will happen, I'm still not gonna be interested in the game.

:/

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ig idk.
like you're following enuf to know that you're on the table
to see why people are pushing you
and you just respond tot he meta bits but nothing else

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Maybe I'm giving myself too much credit here, but I think if I launched an effective enough pushback at Menalque, people would listen,

especially if I was backed by skitter which I probably would be

.

i'm, uh, not sure i agree with this assessment?

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in all seriousness, maybe she's not good at reading me when I'm scum

but strictly speaking I don't care about that

as long as I assume that it doesn't impact the way she reads me here.

which is maybe not a good assumption, but one I was making when I posted that, at the very least.

eh
i'm not so good at reading you actually
and i'm not sure if you pushed back against mena i wouuld necessarily take your side, would depend on the particulars of why

but i think this post is kinda townie actually (?)
the bolded in particular

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Omg hi Korina!

oh hi kerset!

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Probably because we aren't doing anything and we have no idea what we wish to happen

As it stands right now, I just want to see a flip and then go off that. I've pretty much discarded my previous thoughts because they seem so far away at this point. If I'm being scumread by that then by all means do it, but I'm confident in my ability to get back into the game and continue to carry Pooky

uh i feel like this is the pont of teh game where it's *easier* to become more involved and interested, and it's strange to me that you're so disconnected rn

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puppy is surprised this game has pages like this. puppy hates this immortal form.

when you make posts like this i don't understand what you're saying
like what does this even mean >.>

i really, really, really hate it when people post with some sort of gimmick that makes them harder to understand

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still understands stance on not want posting much in this game. puppy gets it, but also thinks that coldpuppies are town independently of emotion sensing.

or like also this one

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It’s mildly concerning that I almost feel like skitt is playing around me rather than vice versa

oh this is a take
i'd love to hear more abt this one

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Klick is also scummy for evaporating and for not being obvtown which I feel like he normally is

he's also said multiple times that he's been busy irl recently, so i think it's utterly nai and when he was here earlier i liked him

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BTW why the heck SS never voted in this game? Was it explained anywhere or you none of you realized it?

i mean he only repped in like a week ago, so it isn't *the whole game* but he also like enver votes. it's a bit more likely to come from scum him but i've seen several examples of him doing it as town too so ultimately nai for me

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oh wait you are voting
hmmmm

i really want this tnk flip >.> we have less than a day left and five votes and i really want to see this through
other than that i'm not sure i have much else to say rn

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oh also since fark is townreading kerset i feel p decent sheeping him on that read tbh

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oh wait you are voting
hmmmm

i really want this tnk flip >.> we have less than a day left and five votes and i really want to see this through
other than that i'm not sure i have much else to say rn

So like, big question about TNK
How likely do you think it is that scum would be given a role that can make someone hated for the day?
Because that's entirely conformable and I don't think scum is given that power

honestly i'm bad at mechanics and my answer is basically: it depends on what exactly town has and what else scum has
which i know isn't such a great answer but i really don't pay super much attention to mechanics when forming reads anyways, i've gotten burned too many times

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It’s mildly concerning that I almost feel like skitt is playing around me rather than vice versa

oh this is a take
i'd love to hear more abt this one

Like

You seemed very happy to TR me which I was kinda okay with after talking with you about it

But then I find it interesting that you basically said the same thing to S_S that i did

Idk, it may well be nothing but I feel like you’re almost disproportionately confident that I’m town + that you’re doing things that would make me happy (like saying you don’t think you’d necessarily have sided with S_S if we’d been 1v1ing)

cuz u were being townie for you lol
like i think i'm at a point where i can just kinda read you

i don't really know what you're getting at r.e. the bolded
and to be quite honest, i dont' really think i approach anything with the intention of 'making someone happy'

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I'll be around in a few hours

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To elaborate: out of all people who are towntold by the flip (tnk, klick, me, mena), mena was the only one expressing doubts on skitter, and i disliked a lot her disappearance when the momentum was shifting to chillin.

I think everyone else besides her and puppy wouldn't have killed mena, i should have died instead.

i was dealing with irl stuff last week, and at the last time that i had read the thread, there was ~a day to deadline, and tnk was who i wanted dead and who looked most likely to happen at that point
given more recent events, it seems likely i was wrong, but that's where i was holding at the time
i was townreading unwnd for his early content

also i don't think i kill mena there

VOTE: puppy

i townread: klick, penguin, fark, ss, penguin
townlean: sircakes, kerset
everyone else: puppy, nm

ideally i'd like to flip in one of those two today; given the gamestate that doesn't seem *super* likely to happen today but i would like to memorialize my reads for y'all

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VOTE: Cakez
Cakez played prev day like he would know the outcome beforehand. He hoped to get korina but remained at the safe distance to hop on the other wagon and still tried to discourage people.

no

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PP is town!

yep

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sorry one of the penguins was meant to be tnk
i don't really scumread them anymore

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while i'm thinking about this game as well, skitter, elaborate on your reads on nm and puppy for me?

i'm gonna be honest it's in large part a poe read. i feel like i have reasons to townread just abt everyone else rn

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i kinda just want you to elaborate on all of your reads tbf
if you're scum, cool, it doesn't really matter.
if you're town, we at least have something to go off of.

ok sure, which ones

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One thing i could say about skitter meta is that she likes to give up on mafia. Her effort drops to zero once she falls in to despair as scum.

nah

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Farkran
SirCakez
PenguinPower
Kerset, replacing Korg
Klick
Something_Smart, replacing OMGUS
Puppy
Totally Not Korina
Not_Mafia, replacing Firebringer

for you, fark, and ss i dont' think the wagon on chillin happens yesterday without them
klick too but i was already townreading him independantly
penguin is still town for the reasons i've elaborated (namely, his early game meta; i dont' think the wya he was playing/motivated/interested comes from scum-him there. he has dropped off more but i don't think that's ai and i think the early game more than makes up for it)
kerset has good tone + i liked korg and how he kept trying to get back into the game despite losing interest from not having a vote. also kerset doing the 'oh i'm using my ability to move people's votes' when it doesnt' seem he actually had that ability felt townie to me

actually as i'm writing this out i dont' think i really have good reasons to townread sircakez
and then there's nm/puppy, who are my poe

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apparently
heya a50, it's been a minute

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I think that the reason the game was dead is that the wagons were utterly static

i mean he made that post like 3 hours into the day or something iirc so this feels like a bit of a pointless observation to me

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eh actually nm i misread that bit

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Yeah uh this wagon seems absolutely insane to me

Not that wagoning skitter is necessarily bad but the fact that basically everyone seems to agree and nobody seems at all interested in any alternative wagons

And someone on the wagon should probably unvote before NM hammers

indeed

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Thank you.

Shouldn't she claim also?

the most vanilla of townies

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UNVOTE:

A50 should speak first, but i am otherwise ok with hammering skitter

I actually wanted to talk to her some (not about anything specific though) and it saddens me that I should be voting out skits :(

heya

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i'm basically at a point where i townread many players, and have a fairly small poe (namely, puppy, nm, and sircakez); i go through my townreads in 1649
day1 there was a lot of stalling and lagging and a wagon eventually coalesced on jake, who i didn't want to flip, he was playing *badly* but not like *scummily* if that makes sense

i was townreading pooky-unwnd early on but had a bad read there (probably should have forced pooky to post more, would probably have gotten there if he did >.>) and how they got pushed and flipped all but cleared a lot of slots for me, including tnk, who i had been pushign for most of teh game because i didn't like how they were approaching the game/not doing anything/only popping in to defend themselves, but i no longer think they're scum post scumflip
i understand why people are scumreading me for my pooky-unwnd read tho so meh
given the widespread suspicion not sure i can live super long but as long as people listen to my reads after i'm ok with it

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What's your mod-provided fakeclaim?

don't have one

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skit, what do you think happened on n1?

honestly i don't know

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I'm still very very very confident that there is at least 1 scum in {skitter, puppy}. Both of them have immense scum equity to me based on the circumstances and voting patterns - if we're wrong on skitter, we kill puppy, no second thoughts. Please believe me on this one.

i mean i would vastly prefer puppy first

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and {Fark, TNK, Klick} act unnatural, maybe they just got a solve and don't want to reveal it idk.

I just have overwhelming feeling that their behavior doesn't match the gamestate

.

what do you think is wrong with it?

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Skitter, just to make sure we aren't leaving any stone unturned, you should vote TNK to verify that they can make you hated

When you do, you will be E-1

i'm actually fine with it in theory so long as my desire to vote puppy is duly noted ....
and how does this role work? do they need to do something special/activate it? because i've been voting them for most of the game and i don't think (?) i was hated till now

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Frankly I'm fine with the skitter wagon because she seems to be way too uncaring about it? if that makes sense.

don't think i have the mental energy this week to talk u lot of it rn
doesn't make me scum so much as drained

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when I've seen Skitter pushed as town before she was way more invested than this. It seems like she's basically fine being yeeted here which is ???

You think she is at peace with the idea of getting yeeted as Scum?? Mate, she won us the title in TM 2020 being the only Scum on our team and winning her game. skitter is a strong Town player but even stronger as a scum player and she wouldn't give up so easily.

aw thanks a50 <3

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One thing i could say about skitter meta is that she likes to give up on mafia. Her effort drops to zero once she falls in to despair as scum.

Fwiw i think the situation is a lot more nuanced than this ^

From my pov, idk why pooky-unwnd played eod2 the way they did but given how the wagon played out and the fact the traitor didnt count towards our wincon this wasnt winnable for me once they flipped. I was just abt always getting flipped here; at best i could push it off a day but i wasnt getting to elo

Klick u did good i thought the traitor was ss lol

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Wait so was there even a way to add the traitor to our pt?

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Yeah prob lol

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Also for those of u in divide and conquer me and pooky rolled scum in both on literally the exact same day, fun fact

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Skit who did you kill n1?

Pedit omg lol nope, didn't notice that even after chillin flipped

U lol
I knew i was rb'd in additon to all the doc stuff

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Although tbf i dont remember who carried out the kill

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And ig my question is what's the point of a traitor who doesnt count to wincon?

Pedit i have to like process all that but i feel ljke its kinda convoluted and somewhat unlikely to happen

Like pooky was never gonna claim his fakeclaim so how would klick know that was an option even

The rest o have to reread the role pms

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mistakes were made :<

sorry skitts!

All's good

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I just want to say from my pov it was functionally 2:11 unless klick exactly joined the scum pt which seemed unlikely

It was a v cool role, and i'm sure hard to balance, but that contributes to how i viewed it

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Fair enuf

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Ahem.. I won't go on and on about how awesome I am and how everything I say or do is always impressive and all. Look at me.. I won without doing a single thing and even with my reads being garbage. I am INVINCIBLE. :lol:

*Ducks flying objects*
*Hides under a rock*

:)

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oh wow ... grats penguin :)

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lol :)

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Sorry Pooks+Skitter the game flatlined and then I tried to play up my own lack of enthusiasm and it got us limmed

No worries, some games are hard :).
Was nice playing with u!

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You were great mena

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i was right about skitter which was my only read this game.
i feel vindicated.

U did good fire