MT 2203: Grand Idea Upick: Awakening [Endgame]

[Vaxkiller]

I think we should fade korina. They are too excited and probably lying. I think the shot went through and we fade liars. Some interesting rules in effect.

[Vaxkiller]

If Korina is telling the truth, we fade whats thier name.

[Vaxkiller]

I dont get it, whats the point of a 1 shot cult? Deathproof.... like you cant die at all? That seems TOO bastard.

[Vaxkiller]

VOTE: Korina

mahimahi is town, or at least acting like town at the moment, and yea, korina is lying.

[Vaxkiller]

I tried for wolf twilight extender and didnt get it.

[Vaxkiller]

I bet Korinas a mafia cultist or something weird like that, hence why we have resistance for thier wagon.

[Vaxkiller]

Does anyone want to claim now for some Vax points?

[Vaxkiller]

I honestly just think Mahi vs Korina is a TvT fight

Are you in the "cultfia" with them? (one of the many roles by korina)

[Vaxkiller]

We arent waiting for night. Korina fades today.

[Vaxkiller]

Everyone pushing me is scum.

[Vaxkiller]

If I keep you alive do you promise to recruit me if you're cult?

I’m only immune at night, not at day, so you *have* to be lying.

Pedit: yes

[Unv]Korina[/unv]

100% town.

WHAT am i reading? New levels of open-culting

[Vaxkiller]

Spoiler: But, behind my enemies eyes

TemporalLich, did you handpick the roles for this game or randomise them?
-mahi

wat.

I also don't believe their night kill immune miller vig claim at all, there's no reason to claim it if they are one

I don't know if meta has changed as it's been some years since I played a game here with a miller, but I was under the impression a miller's first post should always be a claim and they should expect to be removed from the equation by town well before a MyLo/LyLo situation.
If that is still the case, that does make the dancing around it for several posts and (entirely on-brand, regardless of alignment) complaint about not getting a cult role

again

a little strange.

PEdit: No such thing as too bastard in a UPick, as I learned in Korina's very own iteration.

Yup, Millers should insta claim and accept they wont see end game, problem is, Korina has a habit of fakeclaiming apparently.

Isn't Korina some cult addict who picks the most broken cult role possible that Ircher will let them play?

I fond it really strange they're lying about their pick, they could just be cult here

Also, I changed my mind; I'll be in the blue door tonight. Unless mahimahi switches us back.

-mahi

Sounds like you need a hand.

VOTE: Korina

mahimahi is town, or at least acting like town at the moment, and yea, korina is lying.

Grabs the popcorn machine and starts it running

VOTE: Korina

mahimahi is town, or at least acting like town at the moment, and yea, korina is lying.

100% Look at the hashtags in their sig lol

They join every cult game that enters the micro queue or soemthing like that

-mahi

Hmmm you definitely lost ya cute factor.

Korina is mafia/werewolf/cult who felt the need to lie about their cult pick to downplay it's power level and to not have us fear the possibility of them getting cult

Korina's made like 153774739 cult roles in the grand idea thread and 90% of them are better than a boring 1-shot deathproof cult leader

-mahi

Drop. Drop it. Let Korinas ankle go. Drop!

Does anyone want to claim now for some Vax points?

... ...
... Have I reached the point of chaos and insanty where I'M THE ONLY DAMNED SANE ONE?!

viewtopic.php?f=5&t=59348&user_select%5 ... &start=200

Just read this

Are you seriously telling me Korina picks 1-shot deathproof cult leader over the busted cult roles they've come up with? Like, you can find stuff in there like ELITE CULT LEADER THAT LITERALLY CANNOT DIE BY ANY MEANS UNTIL DAY 4 AND CAN RECEUIT 2 PLAYERS PER NIGHT or something like that, and cultmafia roles which combine the mafia and cult factions and other ridiculous busted things

-mahi

Mod had final say on roles, you know that right. Any that were overbroken or just not fun were getting veto'd.
This is a bad push Mahi, and your paranoia here is way beyond what I'd expect...

Spoiler: Sending disguise...

Okay, cool. Korina doubling down on it rather than coming clean is a scumclaim

You pick any of these cult leaders over your claimed one, Korina:

Day 1-3 Actual Deathproof Cult Leader

This role literally cannot die in any way, shape, or form until Day 4.

Ask Korina for a Cult-Aligned Role

Literally PM Korina and ask them for a cult role. Use whatever he says.

KCC is in effect for this role.

Motivated Actually Deathproof D4 Cult Leader

Can target two people each night, cannot be killed whatsoever until D4. Normal cult leader.

Strongwilled Alignment-Change-Immune Cult Leader

Ability cannot be prevented, nor prevented.
This player’s faction cannot be changed in any way, shape, or form, except through a modkill. This effect takes place as soon as the role is rolled.

-mahi

Mahi what are you smoking?
This is a MINI...
Day-1 to 3 DEATHPROOF wouldnt be allowed because that forces Korina into MYLO/YOLO

Ask Korina and use that, hey this is a uPick WE ALREADY DID.

Cannot be killed until N4, that's just claiming the win - itwould be veto'd probably.

Alignment change immune? I'd choose Korinas current over this.

First gets rejected. Second I’d sent back deathproof elite cl, which probably gets rejected. Third gets rejected. Fourth is plausible, but I don’t wanna die n1 to a nk, so fear of that makes me pick actual deathproof.

See

All hypotheticals of what'd get rejected. You expect me to believe our cult loving fanatic doesn't even

try

to submit these and see what happens?

Naaaaah

-mahi

This is ugly. You went from cute and fluffy puppy to the weird ass sinewy hellhound.

VOTE: mahimahi

If this isn’t killed today, I shoot them tonight. There is no discussion on this IMO.
I submit Elite CL and pray for a doctor cult, or Deathproof and pray I get ignored. I don’t ever submit an OP role like that because I know for a fact Ircher will deny it. I designed those roles solely to be broken.

I actually fully agree here. Paranoia driven wagons this early are usually absolute garbage and this one is above and beyond.

Spoiler: Not only lies...

I'm not sure I agree 100% with this being TvT, but we still have 1 player left to post and regardless of Ircher's minimum limit we shouldn't rush into anything as yet.

100% not TvsT, Mahi is pushing so much paranoid BS you can feel the fear. Then the "oh noes scumz need to help us!" I don't buy it, honestly.

(More fear mongering)

-mahi

(more dog poop)
-Flea

If I keep you alive do you promise to recruit me if you're cult?

I’m only immune at night, not at day, so you *have* to be lying.

Pedit: yes

[Unv]Korina[/unv]

100% town.

WHAT am i reading? New levels of open-culting

yeah I don't Korina

that

well, but I'm pretty sure they wouldn't be this obvious if they were.

Spoiler: We live to fight the hand of doom!

You will know my role tonight, I'll be confirmed.

Deary, Our Concern here is you may be firing a little prematurely....

VOTE: Vaxkiller for 168
VOTE: Mahi for 184

You appear to be voting myself and mahi for things you don't like, but not for things that are scummy.

[Vaxkiller]

Yea i really don't like the fake claim. This one wasnt very organic.

[Vaxkiller]

The reaction test went on too long, or did I miss a post from earlier?

[Vaxkiller]

Don't know what to think of this. This is a bold way to role hunt if you're scum.

@raya,

That's where im at. If they are scum, and it's a fake claim, the person on the OTHER end will know if they are lying eventually.


So I'm leaning town I guess.

[Vaxkiller]

I'm starting to scum lean mahi

[Vaxkiller]

To be clear - Korina absolutely has to die *at some point* IMO due to the Miller claim. The question, I suspect, is really whether we want to trust their claim and leash them as a vigilante, or try and remove the doubt before they could potentially get out of hand with a cult if they're lying.

OK, let ME be clear too:

1- I am fully against yeeting Korina today
2- I am fully against leashing Korina tonight
3- Korina should shoot whomever he thinks is the best target
4- Korina will be sorted sooner than later by one role or another (I refuse to believe none of you picked an investigative)
5- If it does look like (a) The Town is losing, and (b) Korina's kills suck.. THEN I will consider yeeting him

WHY such the hardline on korina?

[Vaxkiller]

I told you, I'm nk-proof.

I don't know why that would extend to the day, but I feel like you're lying about it anyways.

Here is the problem I have: Korina uses bad logic to explain why they are still alive from the fake shot, its just blatant lies. Why would anyone think that extends to the day? If they were town, or their "claimed" role, they would be reacting differently.... not using logic like "my nk-proof ability protected me in the daytime"

[Vaxkiller]

yeah that smells like fakeclaim to me, and town logic from vaxkiller

At this point I don't know who to vote but unvoting in Day 1 would be scummy especially considering the scum side of my read list isn't empty.

Rofl. I'll give you a vax point for this post.

[Vaxkiller]

This is actually a good point. I still don't want Korina eliminated but something to keep in mind

I don't get it. You and temp lich agree its a good point, probably the most concrete one we have in the game so far... but you are unwilling to fade korina? Why?

I mean it doesnt have to be right this moment, but it should be at some point.

[Vaxkiller]

@A50, I'm not planning on shooting tonight, because I wanna see how many kills we have, excluding me. At most, we can have literally six SKs, but more pragmatically speaking, we probably have Mafia + SK/WW. Not only that, but we have majority throughout most of the game, so unless we lose three townies tonight, I'm not gonna shoot until I'm certain someone will flip scum.

pedit:
I picked a dayvig, but that was my mafia pick.

ppedit:
Yes, I would, because I think picking NK-Immune Miller Vig is actually a really smart move on my end. You can eliminate the odds of me being SK entirely, because I obviously pick Cult, meaning I'm either BP scum, or actually telling the truth.

This just reads "look im doing towny things, and have a towny thought process", instead of doing what everyone else would do with a vig.... shoot someone you think is scum and shrug it off if they arent.

@GUIL

You may want to read the rules regarding multiple posts in a row. (really all the rules)

[Vaxkiller]

VOTE: Korina

[Vaxkiller]

If you recruit me, im going to be so pissed.

Here is my canary in the coal mine: If I'm suddenly complacent, kill me.

[Vaxkiller]

@guil
Double posting is ok, but try not to.... multiple posting in a row is a no-no.

There are more, but those are the ones I noticed you breaking.

[Vaxkiller]

No.

Post 69 was town, and the the train left the station at post 72. Town doesnt say post 72.

No.

Is everyone scum or something else but me?

[Vaxkiller]

I checked because I forgot.

My twilight extender that I did not get was a mafia extender not wolf.
I also went for an SK that gets thier day vig reloaded anytime someone asks me if I have a post restriction. (I really wanted this one, the other role was just a troll, and the one I got I didnt put alot of thought or searching into)

[Vaxkiller]

I'm a gambler in my gaming, not life.

[Vaxkiller]

CaptainS with a huge bombshell of a post on the game state.

[Vaxkiller]

@Capn

Id say we are at a medium level of activity for this type of game on this site. Some of us def talk more than others.

As for claims, eh, not totally unusual for this type of game. Id say the act of claiming isnt really AI, but more in how its presented.

Vaxkiller is currently searching for Jesus in thread.

Thanks for giving us a little more insight and thoughts. Welcome to the site, BTW!

[Vaxkiller]

I like Korina as much as the next person, but, they need voted out.

This is not "fear" of the possibility or anything, I know some of you are friends with Korina, but it's a game, and as I see it, Korina has got to go. I've posted my thoughts on it and I get agreement, but no votes, and it gets explained away (maybe another day, but I know them, someone even said "they deserve the win if they are cult" <--- Lol why? It's been pointed out its a possibility!, some of you are just roflcoptering asking to be recruited!)

Korina is today's fade. I'm sorry Korina, no hard feelings, it just is, waht it is.

[Vaxkiller]

It's been pointed out its a possibility

What an argument.
I think its possible that you're scum. Do we lim you now?

Nice manipulation of my point. And yes, generally speaking if you think someone is scum you try to elim them.

[Vaxkiller]

VFP, are you for real right now or just trolling me. Like im not sure if I should even respond to you, because it looks like you just fuckin with me trying to rile me up.

@temporallich
how is that "resigned"? Korina is scummy, and the people protecting them have the silliest reasons! (listed above). I ended with an "I'm sorry" because there appears to be a good handful of people in this game who just want to play with Korina.... regardless of alignment!!!!! So I want people to know I have nothing against them and enjoy playing with them, but, sorry, they are today's fade.

[Vaxkiller]

VFP, are you for real right now or just trolling me. Like im not sure if I should even respond to you, because it looks like you just fuckin with me trying to rile me up.

@temporallich
how is that "resigned"? Korina is scummy, and the people protecting them have the silliest reasons! (listed above). I ended with an "I'm sorry" because there appears to be a good handful of people in this game who just want to play with Korina.... regardless of alignment!!!!! So I want people to know I have nothing against them and enjoy playing with them, but, sorry, they are today's fade.

That is not up for you to decide alone though. Unless you are governor or a duke? Or an Executioner.

I may be tunneling a little, it crossed my mind this morning. But as of this moment, they are still the best fade.

[Vaxkiller]

Guil you get some Vax points.

[Vaxkiller]

Do you townread Korina?

Yes, and so should you.
In Korina we believe! My vote sticks with Korina, not against.

Nice manipulation of my point. And yes, generally speaking if you think someone is scum you try to elim them.

Thank you!
So we are agreed that there is much of a reason to lim Korina as there is to lim you.
That makes you look suspicious even more so.

@VFP
Saying

So we are agreed that there is much of a reason to lim Korina as there is to lim you.

is like really pissing me off because its untrue. It is not the friggin same because I have actually done the work and shown why I feel a certain way. You can say im wrong or whatever, but to actively compare and say what I have done to show Korina is scum to what you have done to show im scum (nothing besides say im scum) is just a lie and really disingenuous. THis is why I asked if you were serious or not.

To clarify in case its not clear/TLDR

Your comparison of your non existent thoughts on me, to my thoughts on korina - being equal is a lie.

[Vaxkiller]

Case on korina:

Spoiler:

I told you, I'm nk-proof.

I don't know why that would extend to the day, but I feel like you're lying about it anyways.

Here is the problem I have: Korina uses bad logic to explain why they are still alive from the fake shot, its just blatant lies. Why would anyone think that extends to the day? If they were town, or their "claimed" role, they would be reacting differently.... not using logic like "my nk-proof ability protected me in the daytime"

@A50, I'm not planning on shooting tonight, because I wanna see how many kills we have, excluding me. At most, we can have literally six SKs, but more pragmatically speaking, we probably have Mafia + SK/WW. Not only that, but we have majority throughout most of the game, so unless we lose three townies tonight, I'm not gonna shoot until I'm certain someone will flip scum.

pedit:
I picked a dayvig, but that was my mafia pick.

ppedit:
Yes, I would, because I think picking NK-Immune Miller Vig is actually a really smart move on my end. You can eliminate the odds of me being SK entirely, because I obviously pick Cult, meaning I'm either BP scum, or actually telling the truth.

This just reads "look im doing towny things, and have a towny thought process", instead of doing what everyone else would do with a vig.... shoot someone you think is scum and shrug it off if they arent.

@GUIL

You may want to read the rules regarding multiple posts in a row. (really all the rules)

A50's thoughts:

Spoiler:

I think Korina's reaction looks more normal if you take in-contest. This is how it really went:

actually fish have short lives and i have no time to waste for silence from our benefactor this game

dayvig: korina

- mahimahi

no, are you serious

please tell me you aren't serious right now

I'm going to wait to see if Ircher confirms it

If this is a fake dayvig, I'm voting to kill you.

@Ircher ???

-mahi

our shot went through according to Ircher

so Korina is bulletproof

why are you bulletproof, Korina

-mahi

Are you actually a dayvig mahi?

I told you, I'm nk-proof.

I don't know why that would extend to the day, but I feel like you're lying about it anyways.

the only way I see it as fake is if it's SvS theater. You really can't SR Korina and TR mahi based on this interaction (and especially so when Ircher had not intervened in between). I dunno why people think Korina's reaction was stramge when nothing had been confirmed by the mid yet nahi claimed mod told them the action went through. I mean, put yourself in Korina's shoes and tell me how you would have reacted differently.

My rebuttal: It does not make it look any better with more context. Town does not say "My NK ability saved me" or "I dont know why that would extend to the day". TOWN DOESNT SAY THAT!!!!! Town would want to know why and not make up something that doesnt work. We all know what NK means. Korina knows what NK means. To say that the NK ability saved you during the day is a lie.

@RAYA and A50, Why does A50's "Context post" seem better? I need a deeper explaination.

[Vaxkiller]

VFP feels kinda sketchy with that claim but I kinda want to see it play out... Vax is almost openwolfing

VFP's actions are not great. Will wait for them to confirm night actions.

Not sure why you think im open wolfing.

[Vaxkiller]

VFP feels kinda sketchy with that claim but I kinda want to see it play out... Vax is almost openwolfing

VFP's actions are not great. Will wait for them to confirm night actions.

Not sure why you think im open wolfing.

you're trying to get Korina limed and not even hiding that you're hopelessly tunneled but also know too much

How is trying to get korina elim "open wolfing"? How is my (admitted) tunneling "open wolfing"? Like tunneling may be AI for a few people, but far from the majority. I mentioned it, because I realized im getting distracted from the rest of the gamestate.


I know too much????? Like what?

[Vaxkiller]

Disagree on all points, but this:

Also you know too much... like Korina isn't your partner

lol wth is this???? You say I'm scum because I know too much... and this is what I know too much?

[Vaxkiller]

I swear your a jester Temp

[Vaxkiller]

Your reactions are too much. Never really played with you before to my knowledge tho.

[Vaxkiller]

V/LA due to holiday. Ill try to be on a little

[Vaxkiller]

Also. I can confirm my alignment and 1 other during this day, so fuck the fuck off. Only end the day if ur scum.

[Vaxkiller]

I checked korina and they are cult.

[Vaxkiller]

I TOLD YOU!

[Vaxkiller]

I dont even know why I bothered checking

[Vaxkiller]

THey (korina) recruit ppl and they keep thier original role

[Vaxkiller]

No. I know your exact role.

Sorry Korina. I'm not trying to be a jerk here and pick on you or anything. I know everyone else here wanted that to play out for you.

[Vaxkiller]

Im the role mahi mahi claimed. I said I could clear myself because I thought he was telling the truth and there is something that could be checked about my role that they could answer... and would also confirm me

[Vaxkiller]

Talked at length about what i could and could not ask about the role.... turns out they were lying anyway... and good thing. ELsewise korina would have probably culted me!

[Vaxkiller]

what is korina's role name & why did mahi know the role you had

mahi mahi didnt know. BUt he claimed the same role. I didnt say anything, because its specifically mentioned by the mod that this could happen. (I thought it might be true due to this honestly)

[Vaxkiller]

Mahi claimed to guess two people's roles, and be told how many were right, or wrong, but not which ones, and get doctor heals from it. Not role-cops. You're lying.

No he said he was a number cop.

[Vaxkiller]

Thats not it. He mentioned somethign else later.

[Vaxkiller]

if so, i can confirm your exact role with alignment, as in the exact post from the grand idea thread

When he said this. I assumed he had the same role as me.

[Vaxkiller]

but can your role ability come with different alignments in the grand idea thread?

if so, i can confirm your exact role with alignment, as in the exact post from the grand idea thread

-mahi

Here is the whole post

[Vaxkiller]

Your caught Korina.

[Vaxkiller]

If he were my partner, I would have the "fake story" right. I only know waht I read from waht he said.

[Vaxkiller]

Im a number cop. I get the post that is your role.


Korina: Shocked pickachu face

[Vaxkiller]

How does korina have a fake guilty on me again?

[Vaxkiller]

Ahhh. Not immune. You dont have a killing ability. lol!

I actually had to double check to make sure you didnt recruit me and i massively fucked up/

[Vaxkiller]

Ircher probably randed between my mafia pick and cult pick, and sent you my cult pick.

I WAS SPECIFACLLY told as part of my role PM what types of results I would get back in these cases. Ircher is very thorough.

[Vaxkiller]

Im asking if im allowed.

[Vaxkiller]

OK



Ur 6823

[Vaxkiller]

I dont really know why im arguing with yu at this point TBH. If other ppl have questions, thats fine.

[Vaxkiller]

I'm 6325

[Vaxkiller]

I'm sorry korina... and who ever you culted.

Also ty for not culting me.

[Vaxkiller]

Yes, that was my third pick; however, I'm NK-Immune Miller Vig. I appear guilty

to any investigative. My actual role number is 6499, which is, you guessed it, within my ISO, because I couldn't be bothered to search elsewhere.

I SENT IN ONE-SHOT DEATHPROOF CULT LEADER, AND DIDN'T GET IT, I'M ANGRY ABOUT IT, DON'T REMIND ME I DIDN'T ROLL CULT

[Vaxkiller]

I really do have other things i need to get done

[Vaxkiller]

I looked into the GIM thread and there was only one role that involved light and a protect and it matched but idk why anyone would choose it. If it's that role than it doesn't confirm anything about Mahi

huh?

[Vaxkiller]

I thought I sent in one-shot deathproof CL, but I switched it at the last minute. You're also talking to the person who forgot two of their nephews were born, and forgot bears were a real animal for half their life. What do you expect?

lies...

You talked about it extensively.

Spoiler:

1) @ircher v/la each weekend

2) I didn't roll cult, and I'm angry about this. I took all my frustration out in my note pt earlier.

3) VOTE: raya - are you scum again?

I SENT IN ONE-SHOT DEATHPROOF CULT LEADER, AND DIDN'T GET IT, I'M ANGRY ABOUT IT, DON'T REMIND ME I DIDN'T ROLL CULT

My pick didn't get changed, but I probably should claim d1, because it has negative utility.

Fuck it, I'm claiming.

I'm a NK-Immune Miller Vig. I cannot be a SK, because like A50 said, my third pick was cult.

[Vaxkiller]

I have more than proven my point. Ill stop back later, i got some stuff to do.

VOTE: Korina

@korina (I hope we can still be cool after this, I know this is your JAM, if you would have culted me I totally would have been team cult with you. Maybe next time!)

[Vaxkiller]

Post 18 and 24 are related to nk-immune miller vig. Miller is a negative utility role that should always be claimed d1.
14 I'll give to you.
8 is my normal opening post.

So, one post. Out of a hundred. Yes, very extensively.

Theres more, ill quote it later, you were challenged about THAT SPECIFIC role being your pick. Like ti was so weak compared to others.

[Vaxkiller]

I mean, I know for a fact you're scum, and like, I'm not getting angry. I'm just getting frustrated that you're obviously ignoring my points because you know they're right.

You are angry, cause you know when ill flip... I flip my role.... then the jigs up!

[Vaxkiller]

You're also claiming to have checked a claimed miller, which makes zero sense to me.

It was a bullshit claim.

[Vaxkiller]

Korina is mafia/werewolf/cult who felt the need to lie about their cult pick to downplay it's power level and to not have us fear the possibility of them getting cult

Korina's made like 153774739 cult roles in the grand idea thread and 90% of them are better than a boring 1-shot deathproof cult leader

-mahi

Most of my cult roles become vanilla Cult Leader if there is no Cult Leader in the game. FMPOV, I’m the *only* one submitting cult, so I *have* to pick CL. I also want to maximize my chances of survival as CL, so I pick deathproof. Deathproof renders me immune to one death, whether elimination, dayvig, nk, or anything. *Once.* Anyone saying that’s broken is just wrong about it. If you try to eliminate me, you know I can’t be eliminated at day, so a vigi shoots me. If I get shot at night by a vigi, they just claim and you elim me.

[Vaxkiller]

You talked about it.

[Vaxkiller]

I'm not lying. Cult korina confirmed my ability.

[Vaxkiller]

The conspiracy theory's to explain how I'm something other than I am are pretty ridiculous.

Korina lied. Korina confirmed my ability.

EVEN IF I AM SCUM (which im not) you still NEED to kill Korina TODAY. Tonight will sort itself out as scum likely don't want me finding them. I've accepted my fate.

[Vaxkiller]

VFP waiting on your confirmation btw.

Dude. VPF's statement wasnt role related..... wait and see.

[Vaxkiller]

My apologies, fae, as I realized the word above is gendered wrong.

[Vaxkiller]

VOTE: Vakkiller

I can tell you now that Vaxkiller is lying.

This is just VFP saying that this is what he believes.

[Vaxkiller]

I tracked VaxKiller going to CaptainS last night.
So unless anyone wants to.claim a redirect or a bus driver Vax is the lim today.

That is a lie or something else happened.

[Vaxkiller]

Again, you and Korina seem to forget other possibilities, which makes me think you are scum or something else.


Scum could interfere with your result as well.... scum that is not me... cause you know im not scum.

Can scum not interfere with the result and me be town... because maybe..... GASP... your scum?

[Vaxkiller]

I tracked VaxKiller going to CaptainS last night.
So unless anyone wants to.claim a redirect or a bus driver Vax is the lim today.

That is a lie or something else happened.

I'm not lying. I'll give benefit of the doubt if anyone claims to have interfered. Although anyone already posted most likely would have if town.
So for now you're lying scum.

Oh, lol, nm.

KORINA CONFIRMED ME.

[Vaxkiller]

My role is confirmed. THere is no way I can "guess" Korinas role.

I'M CONFIRMED. No IFS ANDS OR BUTTS.

[Vaxkiller]

Again, you and Korina seem to forget other possibilities, which makes me think you are scum or something else.


Scum could interfere with your result as well.... scum that is not me... cause you know im not scum.

Can scum not interfere with the result and me be town... because maybe..... GASP... your scum?

So you want me to go with scum just interfered with the result from you, but yours wasn't interfered with?
Okay...

KORINA CONFIRMED IT.

My voice is getting tired. I've been shouting Korina is scum all game. I literally have confirmed proof, and ppl are like "naw, here me out, I know whats going on, there are magical aliens, but they are not in the game, they are on another world... controlling everything!

[Vaxkiller]

I'm not a guesser!

[Vaxkiller]

I'm 6325

[Vaxkiller]

I'm not a guesser!

You are a liar though.

I'm not. I'm asking if what you are claiming IS possible, but im inclined to not believe you because Korina confirmed me.

[Vaxkiller]

THE ASTRONOMICAL CHANCES of KORINA LYING ABOUT THE ROLE THEY PICKED AND THEN CONFIRMING THE RESULT I GOT..... ONLY TO HAVE MY ACTUAL RESULT FROM SOMEONE ELSE IN THE GAME.... WHO PICKED THE SAME DAMN ROLE??????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????


no. just no.

[Vaxkiller]

im not a guesser!

[Vaxkiller]

I'm 6325

How many times do I have to quote it?

[Vaxkiller]

I tried culting Vax. It didn’t work. Nobody claimed to have RB’d me, so he’s groupscum.

This is a lie. Korina likely waited to ask the mod to see if it was ok if they just claim cult... in order to distract (making sure they would not get mod killed for "playing against their teams win con")

If Korina didnt cult anyone, they would have nothing to worry about. But someone is culted out there.

WHAT I KNOW TO BE TRUE.

IM town
Korina Cult

VFP is lying or was bus driven.

This means that if I don't die tomorrow. My result will likely be shit, but I think we can still use it to our advantage.


I'm not sure about mahimahi anymore. We could have someone else claim and check him with thier "claimed" role.

[Vaxkiller]

*dont die tonight

[Vaxkiller]

VFP is lying or was bus driven.

Stop trying to worm out of it.

Then explain how Korina confirmed my role?

[Vaxkiller]

Why would I want to be a werewolf number cop? What does that get me? My role is town 2 shot number cop. 6325.

[Vaxkiller]

VFP is lying or was bus driven.

Stop trying to worm out of it.

Then explain how Korina confirmed my role?

Well if it was a bus driver it means you wasn't Korina's target.

THen how do you explain YOUR action on ME?

Why are you so quick to assume Korina is telling the truth, when you cant even explain your own "results"

[Vaxkiller]

VAXKILLER BANGS HEAD AGAINST WALL.

[Vaxkiller]

I HAVE ANSWERED THEM, THATS THE PROBLEM!

Everything has a reasonable explanation, but some of you seem to love WILD CONSPIRACY THEORYS.

I'm sorry if this is coming of rude or something, but can you just re-read? Raya has the gist of it with all the possibilities. Like yes I could be wolf, but why would THAT be the DEFAULT assumption with everything that has gone on?

VFP targeting me:
They are lying or were redirected in some way. Like how on earth would Korina confirm my results! But I was really targeting someone else?????!!!!

I've already talked about this. That would be an ASTRONOMICALLY low probability that 2 people are the EXACT same cult role.

[Vaxkiller]

OH I can reread, But I don't wanna. And there's a reason for it. But seeing as you're being a butt...

Code: Select all

Vax       TARGETS Korina    GETS RESULT.
Korina    TARGETS Vax       CANNOT RECRUIT.
VFP       TARGETS Vax       GETS TARGETED CAPTAINS
CaptainS  IS AN ENGIMA.

Chronurgists are people who manipulate time >:D

You are forgetting that Korina confirmed my result on them.

[Vaxkiller]

VFP i need your role number. Now, not later.

[Vaxkiller]

VFP i need your role number. Now, not later.

Ew.
Posts like this hardly ever come from town and I feel in the right mind to just ignore these going forward.
Don't go around telling people when exactly they can and can't post. I would love to be home all day doing fuck all but sadly I have to work, so I will post when I post. Let's make that clear a side from the game first, understand?
Post 140.

lol wut?

Post 140? "Town Tracker"

Who submits that?

[Vaxkiller]

@VFP
but this exists:

Town Tracker-Follower-Watcher-Voyeur

Abilities

Night Action

Extended Research:

Target someone. You get returned a list of the actions they performed, a list of the people they targeted, a list of the actions performed on them, and a list of the people who targeted them.

[Vaxkiller]

I expected more things happening over night and tons of info today. I'm disappointed.

[Vaxkiller]

VOTE: end day

please maestro

But you havent said a word today.

[Vaxkiller]

My only regurts is not using guils template.

[Vaxkiller]

Difference is Raya is out right lying saying I defended Korina.
I never did that, I was going by my result and calling Vax scum.

Raya is playing a narrative to suit, I'm going for whats realistic.

From my point of view, only going from memory, I feel the same way raya does. I'll need to re-read, as I was in the zone most of the day trying to get korina faded.

Also, VFP's posts, after korina admitted everything, have a HUGE tone shift. Like they are way more insightful and introspective and open.

[Vaxkiller]

Korina. Real talk for after the game. Why didnt you target me?

[Vaxkiller]

Also, I can assure you that my role will also be able to confirm Korina on night 2 as cult or not.

How does a tracker does this?

[Vaxkiller]

You guys that know Korina more, answer this please.

Who would Korina most likely convert? Someone with D1 narrow minded reads and an incredible capacity to tunnel players for dumb reasons or a townie with a town leader voice?

If i was a cult leader, i would choose someone with the potential to last long and help me fulfilled my wincon, so, i wouldnt convert VFP, Vaxkiller, Flea, Nono or Me. If Korina converted someone, it gotta be players with a methodical head, someone who can manage heat and turn tables.

But this is me. What would Korina do?

Korina would prolly recruit someone they know and are close with. I don't know who that would be.

[Vaxkiller]

Good shot o.o


Vaaaax..... what the buffalo was all that beef about?



PEDIT: Agreed.

Waht beef?

[Vaxkiller]

The game was a upick though with alignments randomized. I doubt there was even an attempt to balance this game

It was upick with specific alignments tho, not random.

[Vaxkiller]

Would an experienced player like Vax out himself to shoot down a cult leader when his faction could just NK Korina the following night?

oof. I'm not experienced. I dont think anyone on this site has called me that.

Well... I have had alot of experiences... but experienced make it seem like im good at something, and mafia im not. Most of the time I just blunder thru things.

Sometimes, someone will be like "Oh yea good move by vax" and meanwhile... it was just my drunk ass typing something dumb, or doing something at random.

[Vaxkiller]

I dont get you temp lich

[Vaxkiller]

I got a result on someone. It's like a completely useless role. Like why would you choose that?

Due to the VFP flip, there is likely no bus driver so i feel confident in my info.

[Vaxkiller]

Im thinking about how to play this tho, in order to maximize efect.

[Vaxkiller]

BRB dotes calling.

[Vaxkiller]

I got a result on someone. It's like a completely useless role. Like why would you choose that?

on who?

let me think how to play this.

[Vaxkiller]

Captain S should claim.


@flea, you asked my what the beef was about, I'm confused.

Also confused by the votes on me. I don't play 5D chess. When I pick a scummy role I pick a scummy role, not some "town" appearing role.

[Vaxkiller]

Eh good enough for me.

VOTE: Almost50

[Vaxkiller]

Nope, Cap'n should absolute not claim.

Why no? In fact I thinking everyone should full claim.

[Vaxkiller]

I'm like the only town person who has a role that helps town. like wtf?

[Vaxkiller]

Vax: Asks directly for peoples roles.

Raya: Wow that kinda sounds like role fishing, ima vote you for that.

[Vaxkiller]

eh ok.

Temporal Lich

[Vaxkiller]

VOTE: samantha

[Vaxkiller]

Mass claim so I can gamesolve at this point.

I'm not comfortable sharing other info with you at this point.

[Vaxkiller]

I feel like you were way too interested in who I targeted to even begin your own reads or thoughts.

[Vaxkiller]

I can claim my role because the groupscum already know it though

You like really want me to be scum huh? Despite all the signs pointing to no.

[Vaxkiller]

I think because scum see town pushing me, so they thought it would be ez mode.

[Vaxkiller]

I could see that too if you were roleblocked

If I was blocked I wouldnt have received a my result.

[Vaxkiller]

Vax: Asks directly for peoples roles.

Raya: Wow that kinda sounds like role fishing, ima vote you for that.

Ok and when that got shut down you immediately posted something that could draw out night action claims or someone mentioning their role isn't useless

Uhhh, yea, its because its what I want. If we all full claim, I'm 99% sure we can solve. We just fade the inconsistencies. Bonus town points to first claimers!

[Vaxkiller]

I can claim my role because the groupscum already know it though

You like really want me to be scum huh? Despite all the signs pointing to no.

NKA and rolefishing are the signs saying that you are scum

I say it's otherwise, it's my MO

[Vaxkiller]

I would consider rolefishing to be a "subtle action" as opposed to my blatant remarks.

How the hell does Night kill analyses implicate me???? Because I'm alive?

This is why I checked you temporal lich, you were pushing me so hard yesterday and you really wanted to believe I'm scum. There is so much telling you and everyone else I'm not, but you refuse to believe it. If you choose to flip me, my town flip will be on YOU, not me.

[Vaxkiller]

Also don't claim and look at my posts for today. Can you see what I'm trying to do there? You may not like it , but its probably in our best interest.

[Vaxkiller]

besides, if you've really ran out of shots the fact you're still withholding the alignment is another point for scum!Vax

lol

Would we be having this conversation if I thought you were scum?

Thought I said you were town.

[Vaxkiller]

@lich

I was convinced you were a jester or scum yesterday. Should I keep traveling down that same road (like you are with me) and convince myself that I got bus driven or some other nonsense an that your still toatally scum?

no.

[Vaxkiller]

Let it be known that Vax provably lied about checking me. If Vax actually checked me they would KNOW my alignment and not have to guess.

WTF are you talking about??????

[Vaxkiller]

Yes.... and if you were scum I would have just started with that out the gate. Since you were town, I tried seeing if there was something I could do to put some pressure on someone.

Do you need me to post your number that you are?

[Vaxkiller]

Does scum!vax target a good player he was jester/scum reading with an ability he knows will only conf town a person? Don't you think scum!vax conf-towns a noob?

[Vaxkiller]

Like scum!vax had better targets than you.

[Vaxkiller]

I think guils town

[Vaxkiller]

I'm not sure waht to think about mahi now. Scum were likely pretty confident about me not checking them.

[Vaxkiller]

VOTE: mahi mahi

[Vaxkiller]

VOTE: mahi mahi

Pointless, mahi mahi can't be yeeted.

I think its 1 shot

[Vaxkiller]

My case is waht I'm going to call the Korina case. Who chooses THAT.

Town doesnt choose un yeetable, scum does.

[Vaxkiller]

Can no one read between the lines here?

le sigh...

[Vaxkiller]

Alright kids, spot the glaring error that proves CaptainS isn't reading or even really paying attention to this game, and therefore likely not playing to a town wincon

That's a stretch.

[Vaxkiller]

Stealth Hydra, Mahi and Mahimahi are different peeps

Oh em gee.

Ty for this, it explains so much!

Sorta.
Now I'm just wondering who.

[Vaxkiller]

@Lich: can you give me a tldr on why Vax is scum based on NKA? link a previous explanation if required

-mahi

Vax has claimed a role that can confirm someone's role and alignment and can't be fooled.

Vax is still alive and yet VFP (a cultist dolphin) is dead, which is an unusual night kill for scum as it benefits the Town at lot.

Vax refuses to out their results and instead resorts to rolefishing, despite being

claimed and out of shots

.

I'm not refusing, u want me to post it number? I asked u already and ur just ignoring me

[Vaxkiller]

You picked your own role templich. Are you sure you want me to post the number? Cause think about what im trying to do here.

Also I feel like I dont talk THAT much, but maybe I hit the post button alot.

New rule get a thumbs down from me. But hey, its an experimental rule....

[Vaxkiller]

Capn s is going to do something. you watch.

[Vaxkiller]

9523

[Vaxkiller]

Spoiler:

wait frick I just realised 1323 and 1335 are contradictory in a little bit

though it is indicative of the rising trend I think CaptainS has.

KidAmn is town mostly because of an ISO skim and more general behavior, 1323 is probably the best post to encapsulate that however.

A50 is also towny in the same way (ISO skimming), 936 feels like the most shining post to me.

Do you realize that we almost have the same towncore and yet I'm a strong scum read of yours?

I say almost because:

Town reads

1)

A50

- For what I remember, I've felt good about the slot mostly. There are things here and there that makes me say "Ok...."

2)

Raya

I already explained, she had the chance to see my elimination through and didn't. If Raya is scum, she pocketed me for the rest of the game and she played against her own wincon and I'll thank her very much for being town's best scum aligned friend, because seriously, no scum is gonna do that for a townie.

3)

Samantha

I already explained as well. I also have meta of her, I hosted a game where she was considerably more involved in the game and she was scum. She is great at figuring out roles too, I'm a dumbass catching softs, if you don't post "I CLAIM THIS AND THAT", I will most likely miss your soft which is ironic because I soft and I expect other players to catch my softs and bread crumbs.
Anyways my point is that if she is scum, she's most likely figured out some roles now, she's most likely figured out my role by now and she is yet to push for my chop, so I'm comfortable around her, again, I just wished she contributed more.

4)

Town lean you (Temporal)

, although not gonna lie, my read on you fluctuates. It looks like you are one the biggest game runners here, you gotta have a lot of mechanical experience, so I don't get why you push for a chop on a Prince (mahi) when if you perform a search for Prince in the grand idea thread, you will find Prince that are totally immune to day eliminations the entire game such as:

viewtopic.php?p=11307495#p11307495

viewtopic.php?p=8342474#p8342474

So, even if Mahi was town (which I don't believe he is), scum would try to get them yeeted just to waste a day. Mahi, gotta be vigged! So, do you see my concern when people insist on attempting to yeet Mahi a second time?

I'm also tinfoiling about the possibility that both Vax and you could be a team doing scum theater with your claims but if this was the case, you'll deserve a fucking Oscar.

I lightly town lean

Vaxkiller

,mainly because of his role hunting earlier that is throwing me off, like is there ever motive for townies to do that?

KidAmn

, I agree with you that that post looks good for Kid, he also raised awareness on CaptainS scum equity and active lurking.

Neutrals

Flea is and always will be an enigma for me, I can't read them. When I get in the game thread, I go in believing they are town and if they are not, someone else will have to case them and push for their chop because I can't, they are a wild card like me but in addition, they can change their meta at will, like me.

Scum Reads

MahiMahi

CaptainS

But here is the thing, unless I got perfect reads in this game and scum are in the scum reads and neutral lists, there gotta be one or two that have pocketed me. So I need CaptainS elimination for clarity.

This is why Guils town. Good reads, healthy skepticism.

My town block is VAX/GUIL/TEMPLICH

capn S had a good post

Raya has great posts, but they still worry me for some reason.

A50 probs town

Flea could prolly join our town block at some point.

Kidammns posting leaves me wanting... kinda "going with the flow"

Samantha - shrug

[Vaxkiller]

I assume I was roleblocked cause i got the shot back.

This does not happen.

[Vaxkiller]

Eh.

I was thinking the same angleshot, but it's far from a confirmation. DEF not lock town.

Lets move past it plz, usually frowned upon to talk about.

[Vaxkiller]

I want samanthas opinion on something.

See my post 1408.

Is guil telling the truth here?

[Vaxkiller]

Can you give me a def yes or no tho?

[Vaxkiller]

I assume I was roleblocked cause i got the shot back.

This does not happen.

I'm fine with a hammer, but plz be aware of this tomorrow. This does not happen, I only found one role that makes this happen, and it would really only make sense if samantha picked it, and they did not.

Possibly i missed something, but i searched refunded, refunding, refund, and only found 1 role that makes sense.

This bugs me because im hard town reading guil, but this is a glaring error, that I just dont want people to forget or look over:

SHOTS DO NOT GET REFUNDED. It has to be SOMEONE ELSES specific ability that SPECIFICLY mentions this.

[Vaxkiller]

There is literally only 1 role that justifies your claims. If anyone wants to claim it..... plz do. Otherwise, this isnt good.

[Vaxkiller]

Their claim?

I didn't even know we were waiting.

[Vaxkiller]

I want everyone to read the pure, unbridaled joy I felt when I rolled cult

I feel kinda bad now lol!


Also in in another way, kinda good lol!

[Vaxkiller]

The cult pt and Korina's notes pt have been released.

Also, I encourage you, if you haven't already, to sign up for Maruchan's game. It's a similar setup concept, and it needs two more people to fill.

PLEASE DO THIS!@