Open 808: The Council Has Spoken

[Nono]

missed daystart pm, will read later
happy to be here, good luck)

[Nono]

going to be honest,, interest level low right now, skimmed, more or less~
mozamis, enchant, almost is really scummy, in my eyes xD
it's playstyle, unfortunately,, can't make accurate assessment as of yet
waiting to see more, will share thoughts after council, agree with cow

for now HEAL: art

[Nono]

ok, almost looking town. He's posting more very freely, good luck to him if he is scum, he is playing a very good game.

HEAL: mozamis, almost50, yessiree

I legitimately laughed. Your bar for "a very good game" needs to be raised. xD

what do you think about Almost50 calling out your slip?

xD

[Nono]

sorry sorry, will read in a hour or two, come up with valuable contributions etc

[Nono]

feeling good from completed game) here and reading
to note from before,, forgot to point out, that is, "slip" is meaningless imo
"slips" are almost never actual scumslips, nor think instance is particularly slippy

dislike stock put in, or seriousness about it, etc

[Nono]

can get aboard with cow, art, wolf,, seems solid, to me)
cow is happy and helpful, art is sharp, wolf feels more natural than last game
mozami, despite playstyle, leaning town
i'll be a council member, if you trust me kek,, if not, will heal townreads,, that's fine with me

quick dash need to go out,, make comments when i get back
permission to heal?

[Nono]

HEAL: Raya36, Battle Mage, Artermiana

checked votecount,, seems fine, since no one responded to me(
not lurker, just a playstyle,, all my posts are solving,, if you have a problem, pick at them,, not simple "inactivity"
SO MANY SCUMMY PEOPLE makes it hard to play kek,, like enchant, hates people townreading art for some reason,, has cow up the top despite doing that, has bone at the bottom for doing that, he, himself, has art in middle town, WHAT xD
to count scummy people,, too many to be scum, but let's go with the safe option,, choice seems fairly simple, to me

[Nono]

I will think about it, just can say about Nono: He probably will continue being nonactive/imitate so. Not sure if we really should kill him for this though. Like... I want. But is this will be worth it? How possible he is mafia?

0%) am town

not mad, but disappointed my council didn't get through
wondering why there's paranoia on art,, she feels good, to me, nothing pings me
cow is town,, from my pov, would have kept me as viable lim, not townlean me,, of course, this only reinforced if i die

thinking almost, almost has played with me before,, why am i scummy, almost?

VOTE: almost

[Nono]

morning)
mozami, SO ANNOYING
to me, i'm cleared,, look at how i was almost's first pick for elim yesterday, it's easy game
art is also cleared, imo, for same reason, and almost pushing her off council
mage, thought he was good for the whole game, he townleaned me after all,, have faith, e-1 vote on almost looks good too

HEAL: nono, art, mage would be ideal council, am fine with switching for enchant
mozami is probably town, but not ideal council choice

for voting, think it's just VOTE: t-bone xD
level 1 mafia,, almost pushed for him as a council member all day yesterday

[Nono]

problem with 602 (above) is t-bone's no doc plan is not bad, getting info on whether it's no-kill or not is useful,, it's just not useful for much else
painting it as that piviotal,, don't think it should be, leans scum
this i don't understand,, perhaps explained by perspective difference

If no one got killed, then it basically confirms one of us as scum

[Nono]

problem with 602 (above) is t-bone's no doc plan is not bad, getting info on whether it's no-kill or not is useful,, it's just not useful for much else
painting it as that piviotal,, don't think it should be, leans scum
this i don't understand,, perhaps explained by perspective difference

If no one got killed, then it basically confirms one of us as scum

Nice job hammering town. Guess we know who's scum after all!

mb, yes, council first above all else,, though took care to make sure i wasn't close to hammering, don't pull that)

[Nono]

yessiree pings town, to me
reaction to hammer, lack of suvivalism now,, it all feels good

T-Bone
Almost50
Enchant
yessiree
Artemiana
Nono
mozamis
Battle Mage
Raya36

art, mage, mozami, yessiree, enchant
all have decent reasons to think they're town, know i'm town as well, just leaves t-bone and raya
wolf,, less so scummy, more don't have a reason to think she's solid town,, t-bone is the obvious choice anyhow
poe scummy, association scummy, plan's insistence and confidence is off, to say the least, and mage push that made it extra scummy
mage is leading us to victory,, everything he said earlier makes sense to me, just sitting back now kek
HEAL: art, mage, enchant

[Nono]

Can we keep yesiree and mozamis off of all councils, please?

You're clipping both my wings and asking me to fly here. Aside from them two, I only have you as a

confident

TR. And -even worse- I am not allowed to heal myself, so I can't even use the global TR on BM option to complete my trio.

Well, the closest to a TR aside from the above is Raya I guess, and I won't fight against an Enchant council membership, but then I feel like I'm "giving in" and when that happens I am highly likely to misread a scumster as a townie.

Wait! That does look like a read list of some sort. Let me try to put it in a more readable form:

T-Bone/mozamis
yessiree

BM/Raya/Enchant

Nono/Artemiana

If I use my super intellectual gift I'd say one scum in BM/Raya/Enchant and the other is in Nono/Atemiana (but don't quote me on any of that yet. I'll only take responsibility of my reads on the top 3 so far)

VOTE: Nono

I can also do Artem, but nobody's voting her

VOTE: Nono

I can also do Artem, but nobody's voting her

Mmm...

Why do you do this?

Like...

You start off passive aggressive and then out of no where it's like OH NO, NONONO PLZPLZPLZ

OLZPLZPLZ LETS DO SOMETHING ELSE!

Why do you continue to play the woe is me card? Even when you went against the council you thought BM and I were both scum which is pretty ridiculous imo. Considering you successfully kicked me off, I would imagine you have the capacity to push this much harder?

ISO me. You and Nono are my 2 main suspects. The two at the very bottom of my reads. I didn't even keep it a secret.

to art: *cough* but ok w/e xD

[Nono]

Eh? No killing is stupid?

No killing is stupid when you know that you can get away with the No kill.

No killing is also stupid when you have a decent chance to beleive that you won't be the target.

If I were scum on the council, I would opt to kill Yessiree to remove the conftown

Right now its 1:7

Last night, it was 1:7

If a kill happened today we would be at 1:6

If scum kill, they reduce the amount of eliminations needed to win by half. If yessus was killed last night,

Tbone
BM
Raya

Would probably all be suspect

But

1:6
1:4
1:2

The scum on council could safely eliminate the other two before entering Lylo

Or they could eliminate off council once before Elo and they have a solid chance to win at Elo

no, no killing is perfectly valid,, if someone killed yessir, the pool would immediately become the council,, lim all three to win)
so much confidence btw,, it's not easy to get rid of the poe and become confscum)

anyway, still think it's bone,, frustration is fine and wish them nothing but the best, but, to me, it looks like frustration of getting caught for the wrong reasons etc etc
it's just that easy)

[Nono]

i'll be around for a bit,, will read and things
for me, it's just clear it's t-bone, am bored kek

[Nono]

lol you couldn't catch me for the right reasons, let alone the wrong ones

not a genius, never said that, though a bear did
this proves the point actually,, you feel it's unfair to be caught when i'm (nono is) "playing so badly"
but i'm just not scum kek

[Nono]

read up,, appreciate you a lot mage, not just for this game, as a personality)
for this game, am confident you're town, agree with 706 "yeah cos" post

about bone:
would he no kill? of course, as mentioned, killing would conftown someone, also points to council-scum

- Ridiculous, a kill last night is the only way to win if A50 is my scumbuddy.

what??!?! how?! xD explain, please, the game plan

recall 49's council proposals? for this reason alone, would not trust bone for endgame, ever,, and luckily, we don't have to, have enough elims
tstbs isn't a thing, shouldn't ignore hard evidence

I guess no point healing until we figure out who are strongest town reads are?

This and T-Bone's opening are Town posts.

HEAL: Mozamis, T-Bone, Almost50

@Mod: Would you accept a string that is NOT the exact username if it definitely identifies that player?

(Ex: Over50)

T-Bone: No Vote
Almost50: No Vote
Enchant: Nono
yessiree: No Vote.
Artemiana: Battle Mage, Mozamis, Raya36
Nono: No Vote
mozamis: No Vote
Battle Mage: Raya36(?)
Raya36: Battle Mage

BM (2), Raya36 (2), Mozamis (1) Nono (1)


Please check, if i'm wrong.

So what's the plan again? Vote 3 that are not me? Fine

HEAL: Mozamis, T-Bone, Yessiree

Also others can change vote/add more like T-Bone/Artemiana did.

OK then. My choices are unpopular it seems, but I'll add them anyway:

HEAL: Moz, T-Bone, Yessiree

I could go for BM/Raya/moz Bm/Raya/Tbone

Honestly, like idea with BM/Raya/T-Bone.

Any chance of a quick compromise on the council? I will take Raya in if you guys drop one of BM/Artem. My fear is we "might" be making BOTH Scum unkillable today, which would mean we are killing Town regardless after we finalize the council as it is.

I won't even dictate and alternative. Just pick one of Moz/T-B/yes and place them in one of BM/Artem spots.

I'll compromise with you. I've made my stance on wanting to be on the council clear, I'm flexible with whom I can be on it with. What do you want?

Well then..

HEAL: BM/Raya/T-Bone

finding it really hard to believe t-bone has mage as first scum choice,, feels like he has one point, i.e, the "no doc plan" and shuts everything out to 1v1, it's not the town way
mage makes a lot of sense, to me,, why not address the other way has some merit, and why is it all scummy, anyhow?

[Nono]

and to people who think i'm scum, biggest takeaway is this: when he tried to elim me,, if he were my buddy, even if he didn't like me, he'd keep me around, for the council dodge tactics) it's easy game

Can we keep yesiree and mozamis off of all councils, please?

You're clipping both my wings and asking me to fly here. Aside from them two, I only have you as a

confident

TR. And -even worse- I am not allowed to heal myself, so I can't even use the global TR on BM option to complete my trio.

Well, the closest to a TR aside from the above is Raya I guess, and I won't fight against an Enchant council membership, but then I feel like I'm "giving in" and when that happens I am highly likely to misread a scumster as a townie.

Wait! That does look like a read list of some sort. Let me try to put it in a more readable form:

T-Bone/mozamis
yessiree

BM/Raya/Enchant

Nono/Artemiana

If I use my super intellectual gift I'd say one scum in BM/Raya/Enchant and the other is in Nono/Atemiana (but don't quote me on any of that yet. I'll only take responsibility of my reads on the top 3 so far)

VOTE: Nono

I can also do Artem, but nobody's voting her

VOTE: Nono

I can also do Artem, but nobody's voting her

Mmm...

Why do you do this?

Like...

You start off passive aggressive and then out of no where it's like OH NO, NONONO PLZPLZPLZ

OLZPLZPLZ LETS DO SOMETHING ELSE!

Why do you continue to play the woe is me card? Even when you went against the council you thought BM and I were both scum which is pretty ridiculous imo. Considering you successfully kicked me off, I would imagine you have the capacity to push this much harder?

ISO me. You and Nono are my 2 main suspects. The two at the very bottom of my reads. I didn't even keep it a secret.

to art: *cough* but ok w/e xD

[Nono]

UNVOTE:

[Nono]

no, just kidding VOTE: t-bone

let's wrap this up)

[Nono]

It wouldn't though. Anyone can no kill

is truth

you’re assuming scum would have to kill, killing is essential etc, but WHY,, facts have been pointed out before, you’re ignoring them!!

to clarify, my earlier question was real: what is the game plan with killing? makes one confirmed town each day, usually scummy ones (bad)

HOW WILL YOU WIN, explain, or elaborate, please,, why is it better to kill, or have to kill (the question you need to answer)

at least recognize no killing is good, STOP LYING THAT IT’S BAD

[Nono]

So have we lynched Nono yet? Or are we running round in cirlces, chasing our tails, and inadvertantly... quoting Coldplay.Shit lol Tho that was one of their best tunes
Joking aside, that is a danger. I feel we have clear scum in our sites, can't we elim?
#Vote Nono

am not scum, never was

almost 100% sure now, giving myself up for lim, for t-bone today,, time for trust

[Nono]

meant: your vote on bone today, I’ll take responsibility if wrong,, will self-vote tomorrow, quote me on it

no reason to not go for perfect win, as is possible, today,, seeing t-bone lie so blatantly hurts, is all xD

[Nono]

sorry, sorry, genuinely forgot about the game, didn’t get prodded for some reason
will read first thing in the morning, ty ty

[Nono]

am here, reading
will be around for a while

assuming i don't need to self vote anymore, thanks council)

initial thoughts: still think mage is unlikely to be scum,, my thought process with bone was the same yesterday and he's been towny throughout,, will do due diligence to recheck, later, but i think he's fine right now

[Nono]

my initial suspect is raya,, reason being her townread on me was weird, imo, would be helpful if someone took a look as well

alright i'll re-read Nono then. While I do, can you talk me through why Nono bussed A50? Because it seems to me like Nono's name is being thrown around without much substance backing it up.

Read T-Bone's post about this. What he said about this makes sense

oh I will, but I'd like to get a position from you?

Well yes but that part is going to sound basically the same.

Spoiler:

mozamis, enchant, almost is really scummy, in my eyes xD

If scum are going to distance this game, where you basically lose if you lose your scumbuddy D1, this is a good way to do it. No backing so no real traction will grow from this.

thinking almost, almost has played with me before,, why am i scummy, almost?

VOTE: almost

Once again this a weak reason to vote someone so traction shouldn't have been expected. It was early on the wagon so it's very possible it was a distancing attempt with plans to unvote (but they never checked back in on time).

to me, i'm cleared,, look at how i was almost's first pick for elim yesterday, it's easy game

HEAL: nono, art, mage would be ideal council, am fine with switching for enchant

Claiming yourself cleared doesn't look good, and this is the first time nono actually put themselves in their council vote, after A50 was eliminated.

If I use my super intellectual gift I'd say one scum in BM/Raya/Enchant and the other is in Nono/Atemiana (but don't quote me on any of that yet. I'll only take responsibility of my reads on the top 3 so far)

Distancing again, not taking responsibility for those 2 bottom scumreads so showing they're weak

Nono?? I never suggested or even hinted I want Nono in the council. It's Moz, T-Bone & Yessiree for me

But then there's this. Maybe I'm wrong on this too...

in the spoiler,
first, second, third, fourth(!!) points were all shading me xD only the fifth one was saying i was town, but the conclusion was a strong nono townread

[Nono]

would like to be on the council, please x) seems fun
would also heal art (almost tried to vote her out, like me,, took her out of the council too, pending reread), mage (has been towny throughout)
otherwise, have good feelings about yessir: remember him saying he genuinely didn't think to no-kill, reaction to 49 hammer,, it all reads honest to me,, progression today makes sense, given bone's flip
can't say much about mozami's play, but maybe he's too unfiltered to be scum,, out of scum-range/fakable range, imo

raya, can't remember her stances yesterday off the top of my head, skirting maybe, nor can see her gamestate view clearly,, missing a full picture, etc etc, at least that's what it looks like to me

[Nono]

theory with raya,, it's possible she thought no-killing would be good, realized it would be an uphill battle after doing so, so killed again, possibly
unless it's confbias, have reasons to townread everyone else
if i can ask a favor, i don't want her on the council

HEAL: nono, art, mage my opinion
HEAL: nono, art, yessir to honor bone, second choice

leave me questions if i'm needed, kthxbai~

[Nono]

Raya loooks more and more town, so council:

HEAL: Mozamis, BattleMage, Raya

Although if we lynch Nono, we won't need a council:
VOTE: NONO

Try and see the wood from the trees, people!

In light of recently transpired events, can't see the forest for the trees, mozzyman!

kek x)

[Nono]

HEAL: nono, mozami, yessir

rethinking, maybe,, it’s controversial, but the safest choice, imo

[Nono]

prodded kek

think it's unlikely mozami is maf, more like bait,, just a feeling imo, but unsure, can't be sure w/e
can vote any council with voting some council with me/yessir/bm/art > mozami
have thoughts for elim, will vote after council

HEAL: nono, yessir, art i'll do this for bone, who would be mad if we put mage in the council, regardless of alignment)

[Nono]

VOTE: raya kek

[Nono]

sorry, will check later today,, mod away, interest low, will hammer if needed
i like yessir, tbh, think raya is wolf

VOTE: raya for emphasis
thoughts??

[Nono]

Raya did not go anywhere.

confirming) raya and i are clear,, just need to find 1 townie, if i'm not mistaken

will think, later today

[Nono]

it's difficult,, scum fooled me, not sure who it is!!
just need one townie in the pool, elim one potential scum, me/raya die, elim the other one,, shouldn't be too hard, but it's a bit hard x)
raya, who are you thinking? will work with you, let's work together)

[Nono]

might as well say,, art insisted we use no-protect, so we did

what do you think that says? looks like off-council scum,, although it's possible t3 scum set it up to look that way,, art was a good kill
looked through raya's post, and agree, almost seems too closely tied to mozami, i think,, don't know about other two, but we don't have to know

[Nono]

yessir is so good xD gonna be honest, gut says it's not yessir, i want to believe him,, still thinking,, objectively speaking mozami is the least towny,, has always been,, gut wants so save one of the other two
changing mind,, raya, are you sure?

[Nono]

it's basically elo,, we're saving only one)

[Nono]

i like yessir x) just gut

raya, what do you think about yessir killing art, and d1 no kill/no death/"yessir did not go anywhere result?"

VOTE: t3

unsure, as of yet, but feel like we shouldn't save mage slot,, for t-bone

p-edit: let's get it today)